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I hope this is posted in right place , I am curious to learn more about the House of Israel, and specifically about Ephraim. I would like your help in studying the role and responsibility of Ephraim in the Last Days, and any other insights you might have about the topic. . Books, Articles, and Scriptures you might recommend on the subject would be great

I emailed Darren but he never got back to me. I too would love to know which stone in the breastplate represents Ephraim. I want to have her banners and traditions and everything to adorn my house. Maybe it's all lost. Maybe it's out there somewhere.

Well of course being of the liniage of Ephriam as well I'm am also interested in the tribe. As you well know most of the Early lds church members are from the tribe of Ephriam, and have, and still are being gathered up spiritually. Ephraim will still continue to be gathered up spritually (i.e become members of the Church). but the Lord will soon gather them nationally again. The people of Great Britain however are the main body of the tribe of Ephriam nationally see Genesis 12:2 & Genesis 48:17-20 where the lord actually gives them there names. That Ephraim(Bitain)shall be Greater or Great! and a multitude of nations. And that Manassah (America) shall be also be a great "people". The Emblem of Ephraim is the OX or Bull or Unicorn.

The Anglo Saxson fairy tales and nursery rhymes, contain some wonderful insights into the House of Israel, and especially the Tribe of Ephraim. see a book called the Stories of Lost Israel in Folklore.) by Rev. James B. Haggart.Published by hoffman Printing co. & The Hidden Manna by William Walker (lds member)Published by Trafford Publishings).
Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Hansel & Greathel, Jack & the Bean stalk, Little Red Riding Hood, Snow white & Rose Red, The Twelvel Brothers, The Enchanted Stag, the Frog King, & the Severn Ravens all contain the history, Identity and Prophectic future of the House of Israel and Ephraims Role. see these links.
http://sites.google.com/site/nationalaw ... /snowwhite
http://sites.google.com/site/nationalaw ... ebeanstalk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTPH9wYrnaU Red Riding Hood deals with Isreal, (the Northern Kingdom with Ephraim at it's head), Assyrian captivity, their wanderings in the wilderness their destinations and settlements the choice of the Cross or wealth, (by way of the Nail or the neddle). Their subjection to Rome, and there redemption.

The Nursery rhymes, Jack & Jill, Little Boo Peep, Humpty Dumpty, There was an old Lady that lived in a Shoe, Mary had a little Lamb, The Lion & the Unicorn also contain the history, Identity and future of the House of Israel. see these Links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8U243RqIbY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOhOrVXLUSE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OVbdZe_2oM

see these Links also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEIaopBbkr4 60 biblical Identity Marks of National Tribe of Ephriam
http://sites.google.com/site/nationalawakening/home
http://www.greaterthings.com/Word-Numbe ... index.html
http://www.giveshare.org/library/hwa/usproph.html
http://www.british-israel.us/01.html

Tribal stones of Israel http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds ... tones.html by John Pratt
The Tribal stone of Israel http://www.jjkent.com/articles/tribes-i ... stones.htm
Try this link I think this guys is Lds http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/il_tribe.html

I wish I could trust that, but the orders of the stones are given differently in different places in the bible let alone secondary sources of non-canonical writings. I'm just not going with the fairy tale thing either. Maybe Darren is right, maybe not, but anything watered down so much as to be a fairy tale is hardly anything worthy of a prominent place in my home. Maybe the other lost tribes can help out with this when they return.

The fairy tales that I listed are all srcipture based, and come from the bible, the Ancient sages, teachers, prophets of the lost tribes of Israel where inspiried by the lord to teach there children in this manner. The Brothers Grim were I believe also inspired to gather them up for a special purpose, there are truths contain in them. As latter Day Saints we believe in the gathering in of all truth no matter where it maybe. I believe that we can learn many important truths about the history, wanderings and prnciples of the gosple that are contained in the fairy tales and nursery rhymes of children.

Psalms 8:2: Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. Matthew 21:16: "And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise"?

Once there true meaning is known we will be taught with delight from our children.

Snow White Isaiah 1:18

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;(Snow White) though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

The Queen: Who disguised herself as an old peddler women. = Rome: Disguised as the true church. Who sold snow White some laces for her stay? And Who assisted Snow White to lace up her stay, and pulled it so tight snow white passed out and left for dead. But was "revived" by the seven Dwarfs. (Hosea 6; 1-2)

1 Come, and let us return unto the Lord: for he hath torn, and he will aheal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2 After two days will he arevive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his bsight.

The 19th chapter of the book of revelation is the climax to the story. We se the similarity with the fairy tale which describes the coming of the prince on a white horse.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True.....

Rev 19:11
And we also read there also of the rejoicing at the marriage feast.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the amarriage of the bLamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine alinen is the brighteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the amarriage bsupper of the cLamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God

and they live Happily ever after in the castle in the sky. In the Kingdom of God.

When one compares secular history with that of the Fairy tales and the scriptures one will discover hidden truths therein.

And Nostradamus and...

Sorry, if the faerie tales were ever worth something, they aren't now. I'll never be gluing the brothers grimm to my quad.

Read Isaiah and read it carefully. Oh, also, Michah and Amos. Jeremiah has a little as well.

Is it a secret?

SwissMrs&Pitchfire wrote:And Nostradamus and...

Sorry, if the faerie tales were ever worth something, they aren't now. I'll never be gluing the brothers grimm to my quad.

I'm not saying to do that. what I am saying is that when one looks at the fairy tales and nursery rhymes that are scripture based, one sees that the lord has instilled into the generational psyche, of "lost Israel", principles, doctrine, truth, and prophecies. that will aid them in recognising the restored gospel once it is presented to them. I feel that the fairy tales and nursery rhymes were, and still are, a beautiful way of teaching & instilling the History, warnings, cursing, blessing, and prophecies that the lord gave to ancient & modern Israel. I believe that they were, and can be, used as a great teaching aid once there true imagery & symbolism is understood, as these stories are saturated with bible truths. for example when we look at the nursery rhyme of Jack & Jill:

Quote:
Jack and Jill went up the hill. To fetch a pale of water. Jack fell down and broke his crown. And Jill came tumbling after.

we see:-
the story of the ten tribes of Israel- Jack(nickname for Jacob) ( the Northern Kingdom) and Jill, nickname for-Judah (the Southern Kingdom).

Went up the hill:- here we see Moses leading the children of Israel out of Egypt he took them up to Mount Sinai.
Quote:
1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
2 For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount.

To fetch a pale of water:-There, he went up the mountain to "Fetch the living water of the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
Quote:
And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles’ wings, and brought you unto myself.
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 ¶ And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will ado. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.
Quote:
O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters.


Jack fell down and broke his Crown:- Here we see Jack= Israel, the northern Kingdom, braking themselves against the commandments, losing their Crown/kingdom and being carried away captive by the Assyrians. (see bible dictionary Israel Kingdom of).the whole sad story of the sinfulness of the ten tribes can be found in 1 kings12:25 http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_kgs/12 -2kings 18.

And Jill came tumbling after:-Here we see Jill, Judah, the southern kingdom, 135yrs after, doing the same thing, and being carried away by the Babylonians.(see Bible dictionary Judah Kingdom of).

I personally believe it is beautiful way to teach children and parents alike, of the history of the House of Israel, & more, especially of Ephraim. You could so easily use the fairy tales and scripture to in still within your children a love for the scriptures with great fun in family home evenings.

William walker in his book the Hidden Manna states that "The symbology of these tales can be compared with the symbols of the Bible. So immersed were the Saxson/Ephraimite people with the Bible content that every fairy tale is favoured with the message that the Holy Word holds".

As far as the Brothers Grim are concerned as I said I believe that these brothers were inspired by God to gather up these oral tales, and recorded for posterity valuable stories of both moral and religious worth, not knowing the full import of it all. The Brothers Grim (Ephraimites themselves) were aware of the magical attraction the tales had for children But they sensed something in them of a far deeper value. When one considers the "time" of the first and second publishing 1812 & 1814 of the Nursery and Household tales one can not doubt, that the lords hand was not in it:- to awaken Ephraim, to receive the restored gospel.

Interesting posts Tony. Symbolism is obviously an intregal part of scripture (though many choose to ignore it), but I hadn't considered it as part of fairy tales. The symbolic connections are there but are not obvious because our civilization is programmed for literal and the 'now' mentality. We are not taught to think and savor the consequensces of yesterday and tommorrow. TV and movies put us squarely in shallow water.

Are you/your sources suggesting these tales were inspired in a time of ignorance or handed down by people who knew their origin. It's interesting that writings like parables and imagery like Revelations seem to survive the ravages of translation and interpretation because they are least understood, therefore least tampered with.

The parable of the prodigal son is another great story which reflects the roles of Ephraim and Judah (Israel). The Lord has 2 sons, one is faithful the other squanders his inheritance. Will Ephraim be understanding and forgiving when our rebellious brothers in Christ finally recognize their place in the Lord's kingdom? Many prophecies speak of the union of Ephriam and Israel (Judah) in the last days. One will have the authority and the fulness of the gospel, the other will not. One is dispised, the other envied. Both know who their king is and the time will come when they will become one in the lord's hand (Ezk 37).

Carlos

Four Books I am seeking out...

Ephraim, Chosen of the Lord: What it means to be of the Tribe of Ephraim ~ R. Wayne Shute
The Tribe of Ephraim - Covenant and Bloodline ~ Steven Green
The sons of Ephraim: A compilation of the Discourses of the Prophets on the U.S. Constitution ~ Clyde J Harmon
In Ephraim's Footsteps ~ Clay McConkie

Let us know what you find!

[quote="clarkkent14"]Four Books I am seeking out...

]The sons of Ephraim: A compilation of the Discourses of the Prophets on the U.S. Constitution ~ Clyde J Harmon


FYI, Clyde was exed

Ephraim was a grandson of Jacob who was the offspring of Joseph and his Egyptian wife Aseneth.
Ephraim as well as Manasseh were adopted by Jacob to be sons and each of them become heads of the their own tribes (Birthright Double Portion)
Joseph in Egypt saved the rest of the house of Israel from the famine.
Ephraim was given the birthright from Joseph.
These events in the Bible are types and shadows of events that will occur in the Last Days.

Christ tells the "Parable of the Wedding Feast." He says the Kingdom of God is like a king who prepares a wedding feast for his son. When the family guests are invited, they refuse to come for various reasons (business, death in the family, etc). So, to supply the wedding feast with guests the king asks his servants to invite people off the street both bad and good.

Those who are good are separated out from the bad by their wearing of the wedding garment. After the feast has begun, those without a wedding garment are identified and cast out. The significance of the wedding garment could have multiple meanings. But just being a member of the LDS Church does not guarantee salvation.

Gentiles and others in the Last Days who join the LDS Church are adopted into the house of Israel like Ephraim was adopted in. Being literal blood or being adopted in is not significant in the site of God. Ephraim has the responsibility to preserve the traditions and culture of gospel living.

In the last days Ephraim will bring the gospel to the rest of the house of Israel. After the fullness of the Gentiles, the gospel then will go to the Jews and the Heathen. We are seeing the fullness of the Gentiles now as many so-called Evangelical Christians reject the LDS Church and even consider us occult (not even knowing what it means).

After Adam-ondi-Ahman, Ephraim will be sent all over North America to bring in the survivors of the Tribulation and the Abomination of Desolation to Zion. We are not just going to sit in New Jerusalem all safe and sound and watch everyone else in the world get annihilated. Missionaries sent forth could be translated like the 3-Nephites or at least they will be protected so that prisons can not hold them, and they will be delivered from firery furnaces and pits of wild animals etc, just like the missionaries who went forth in 4th Nephi and converted all the survivors in the Americas. This missionary work that happens to bring in the survivors before the Lords Wrath (7 vials) is when it will be fulfilled that the gospel will go forth to all nations and it is the fulfillment of God "making bare his arm in the eyes of all nations".

Converted Jews in Jerusalem after Christ appears and splits the Mount of Olives and cleanses the temple, will travel throughout Africa, Asia and Europe to bring in survivors to Jerusalem.

Manasseh who will come to New Jerusalem via the preaching of Ephraim will be the ones who actually do most of the building of the city. I am not sure if many LDS really realize that the Book of Mormon is very Manasseh-centric. Lehi was of the tribe of Manasseh (Sariah was of Ephraim) and it seems that the Book of Mormon says that after Ephraim delivers the gospel again to Manasseh in the Last Days that Manasseh will take a bigger lead over New Jerusalem.

I find the Manasseh-centric aspect of the Book of Mormon to be sign of its authenticity. I would imagine since Joseph Smith and most LDS are from the tribe of Ephraim, if the Book of Mormon were a fraud, I would expect Joseph Smith would set up his lineage as taking over and having control over everything. But that is not what the Book of Mormon seems to say with regard to the roll of Manasseh and New Jerusalem.

3Nephi 21:22-25 But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance; And they shall assist my apeople, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem. And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem. And then shall the power of heaven come down among them; and bI also will be in the midst.

Gentiles (Ephraim) will assist Remnant (Manasseh)

Ether 13:6 And that a New Jerusalem should be built up upon this land, unto the remnant of the seed of Joseph, for which things there has been a type.

Brigham Young said (and I love this quote):
The sons of Ephraim are wild and uncultivated, unruly, ungovernable. The spirit in them is turbulent and resolute; they are the anglo saxon race, and they are on the face of the whole earth, bearing the spirit of rule and dictation, to go forth from conquering to conquer. They search wide creation and scan every nook and corner of this earth to find out what is upon and within it. I see a congregation of them before me today. No hardship will discourage these men; they will penetrate the deepest wilds and overcome almost insurmountable difficulties to develop the treasures of the earth, to further their indomitable spirit for adventure. JD 10:188, or Discourses of Brigham Young by Widtsoe, pages 437- 438.

Mahonri wrote:

clarkkent14 wrote:Four Books I am seeking out...

]The sons of Ephraim: A compilation of the Discourses of the Prophets on the U.S. Constitution ~ Clyde J Harmon


FYI, Clyde was exed

you resurrected a 2 year old thread to say that? B-)

Brigham had my number I guess.

3Nephi 21:22-25 But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them, and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance; And they shall assist my apeople, the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come, that they may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem. And then shall they assist my people that they may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land, in unto the New Jerusalem. And then shall the power of heaven come down among them; and bI also will be in the midst.

Gentiles (Ephraim) will assist Remnant (Manasseh)

My studies of the term remnant of Jacob points to a much broader picture which includes Ephraim, Manasseh, the Gentiles who repent and the others who have gathered from the lost tribes. D&C lays it out perfectly. We talked about it on another thread.

22 But if they (the Gentiles) will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts, I will establish my church among them (gentiles), and they (the gentiles) shall come in unto the covenant (baptism) and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob (the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh), unto whom I have given this land (North and South America) for their inheritance;
23 And they (the gentiles) shall assist my people (Ephraim and Manasseh), the remnant of Jacob, and also as many of the house of Israel as shall come (sounds like some will come from other tribes)(this would be why there is 12000 from each tribe available to be called on a mission to reclaim the rest), that they (Ephraim, Manasseh, Gentiles, some from other tribes) may build a city, which shall be called the New Jerusalem (In Jackson County Missouri).
24 And then shall they (the Gentiles) assist my people (Ephraim and Manasseh) that they (Ephraim and Manasseh) may be gathered in, who are scattered upon all the face of the land (North and South America), in unto the New Jerusalem (Jackson County Missouri).

25 And then shall the power of heaven come down among them (all who are gathered at Jackson County Missouri); and I also will be in the midst.
26 And then shall the work of the Father commence at that day (after all the folks spoken of above have gathered to NJ), even when this gospel shall be preached among the remnant of this people (Ephraim, Manasseh, Gentiles a few from the other tribes). Verily I say unto you, at that day shall the work of the Father (preaching of the gospel) commence among all the dispersed of my people (lost tribes), yea, even the tribes which have been lost, which the Father hath led away out of Jerusalem.
So as I see it.
First: Church established among the Gentiles
Second: Gentiles numbered among the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh
Third: Gentiles, Ephraim, Manasseh, some from other tribes build the New Jerusalem.
Fourth: Gentiles assist Ephraim and Manasseh with gathering the rest of Ephraim and Manasseh that are scattered all across North and South America into the New Jerusalem which they have built.
Fifth: Those in the New Jerusalem recieve power from Heaven and Christ dwells in their midst.
Sixth: As the gospel is preached unto the scattered folks of Ephraim and Mannasseh who are in North and South America, The Gospel also is preached to the lost tribes. (sounds like the 144000 who were called 12000 from each tribe will go gather those who belong to their tribe after the New Jerusalem is built) Ah, the 1/2 hour of silence, a time to gather before the storm (sorry, I was tempted)

Section 133 speaks a lot about Ephraim.