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I actually never caught this before. Ofcourse many of us on here know all about this talk Hinckley gave in 98 Semi-annual General conference.

A lot of people make a big deal out of it. We know Hinckley was God's mouthpeace, so many of us use this famine talk as coming from God, so we can better predict future events.

Then I read his talk again, and read this:


Pharaoh, the ruler of Egypt, dreamed dreams which greatly troubled him. The wise men of his court could not give an interpretation. Joseph was then brought before him: "Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river:

"And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow:

"And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed. . . .

"And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: . . .

"And I saw in my dream . . . seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good:

"And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them:

"And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: . . .

"And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, . . . God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do.

"The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. . . .

". . . What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.

"Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:

"And there shall arise after them seven years of famine.

". . . And God will shortly bring it to pass" (Gen. 41:17­20, 22­26, 28­30, 32).

Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order.



Ah, I feel stupid, I supposed many of us missed the part of him not prophesying, or even predictiong. woops.

firend wrote:I actually never caught this before. Ofcourse many of us on here know all about this talk Hinckley gave in 98 Semi-annual General conference.

A lot of people make a big deal out of it. We know Hinckley was God's mouthpeace, so many of us use this famine talk as coming from God, so we can better predict future events.

Then I read his talk again, and read this:


Pharaoh, the ruler of Egypt, dreamed dreams which greatly troubled him. The wise men of his court could not give an interpretation. Joseph was then brought before him: "Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river:

"And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow:

"And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed. . . .

"And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: . . .

"And I saw in my dream . . . seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good:

"And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them:

"And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: . . .

"And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, . . . God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do.

"The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. . . .

". . . What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.

"Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:

"And there shall arise after them seven years of famine.

". . . And God will shortly bring it to pass" (Gen. 41:17­20, 22­26, 28­30, 32).

Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order.



Ah, I feel stupid, I supposed many of us missed the part of him not prophesying, or even predictiong. woops.

So maybe its 10 years instead of 7 or 8 years....why bring it up? What are we getting our houses in order for?

Maybe he didn't even realize he was prophesying. I've given plenty of priesthood blessings and received plenty where no one knew the meaning of the words said at the time or why the inspiration came to say them... But what is very interesting about this quote above is that he said it when the US economy was at its absolute height. Not too many people were speaking or thinking this way at that time. Many people thought the economy might improve infinitely.

I bring it up, because I never caught it before. I did not know
if any of you had caught it. Just saying what he said, exactly what he said. So that is all I am saying.

When my prophet makes it clear, that to me means it is clear

that is interesting cowell, maybe so

last year Elder Packer spoke at our stake conference. He reminded us of what President Hinckley said and then told us, we are now in the famine years. And that drastic changes are coming and we need to help our children to not be afraid.

He said that in 98 but when he talked about it in 2001 he didn't say he wasn't prophesying.

here is an interesting talk that quotes the different times he talked about the dream of pharoah. http://peaceofpreparedness.com/LDS%20Re ... -FINAL.pdf

What's the quote from '01?

I've stated before in other threads on other subjects that:

there was a talk and later an article in the Ensign from (I believe) Elder Dallin H. Oaks, who talked about how they are GENERAL Authorities and as such in GENERAL Conference they give GENERAL counsel. The things they say are necessarily not specific. Someone like Pres. Hinckley particularly would be extra careful in how he worded things so as to not cause alarm.

That doesn't mean that there was not a prophetic message in what he said.

Personally, I think placing any kind of specific date on what he said is a little silly. I don't believe there were 7 good years starting from the date he gave the talk, and that there will be exactly seven famine years immediately thereafter. I believe that it was a parable. Does anybody believe that there were really 10 virgins? It was a story about preparedness which we can learn from. I put Pres. Hinckley's talk in the same category. It is a story that there can be good years which we can use to prepare for bad years which are coming up. It seems clear now that this was the case, and getting caught up in minutiae of counting days or years since he gave the talk misses the point.

Count exactly 7 years from the date of this talk
given by President Hinckley in General Conference,
October 2001:

"The Times in Which We Live," Ensign November 2001
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?h ... 82620aRCRD

I cannot forget the great lesson of Pharaoh’s dream of
the fat and lean kine and of the full and withered stalks
of corn.

Y'all remember what happened to the U.S. and world
economy in October, 2008, right? Does anybody besides
me believe that the resulting economic 'famine' could
and probably will last 7 years if not more?

And then there was this specific warning given by
President Hinckley in Priesthood session of General
Conference in October, 1998:

Source: http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/3 ... ahead.html

We have witnessed in recent weeks wide and fearsome
swings in the markets of the world. The economy is a
fragile thing. A stumble in the economy in Jakarta or
Moscow can immediately affect the entire world. It can,
eventually, reach down to each of us as individuals.
There is a portent of stormy weather ahead to which
we had better give heed.

Sounds like a prophet speaking as a prophet to me.

Best Regards,
Sharon (Making the Best of Basics) in Mississippi

Helping people prepare for uncertain times ahead:
http://www.preparednessyellowpages.com

mchlwise wrote:I've stated before in other threads on other subjects that:

there was a talk and later an article in the Ensign from (I believe) Elder Dallin H. Oaks, who talked about how they are GENERAL Authorities and as such in GENERAL Conference they give GENERAL counsel. The things they say are necessarily not specific. Someone like Pres. Hinckley particularly would be extra careful in how he worded things so as to not cause alarm.

That doesn't mean that there was not a prophetic message in what he said.

Personally, I think placing any kind of specific date on what he said is a little silly. I don't believe there were 7 good years starting from the date he gave the talk, and that there will be exactly seven famine years immediately thereafter. I believe that it was a parable. Does anybody believe that there were really 10 virgins? It was a story about preparedness which we can learn from. I put Pres. Hinckley's talk in the same category. It is a story that there can be good years which we can use to prepare for bad years which are coming up. It seems clear now that this was the case, and getting caught up in minutiae of counting days or years since he gave the talk misses the point.

Personally I think you are measuring up nicely to the last part of your name on this forum with this observation mchlWISE.

mchlwise wrote:Personally, I think placing any kind of specific date on what he said is a little silly. I don't believe there were 7 good years starting from the date he gave the talk, and that there will be exactly seven famine years immediately thereafter. I believe that it was a parable. Does anybody believe that there were really 10 virgins? It was a story about preparedness which we can learn from. I put Pres. Hinckley's talk in the same category. It is a story that there can be good years which we can use to prepare for bad years which are coming up. It seems clear now that this was the case, and getting caught up in minutiae of counting days or years since he gave the talk misses the point.

mchlwise, I know Sharon just mentioned the seven years, but I don't think anyone else was getting into these details you were suggesting before you posted...although that is an interesting parallel Sharon. I think we were just discussing whether or not it was a prophecy in general about tough times ahead...at least that's what I thought we were discussing. I just wanted to know what he said in the '01 talk, so thanks Sharon.

I’ve had some interesting thoughts just lately, concerning this post about Pres. Hinckley and the seven years of famine. Perhaps Cowell is really onto something here – - something I haven’t given enough heed to.

Prophets of old, especially in the OT like Isaiah, often spoke in ways that were hard to understand or interpret. But those who were inspired by the HG understood. Perhaps the Prophets of today, especially since the more outspoken Presidents McKay and Benson, have been speaking in ways similar to Isaiah of old. It seems there has been less talk about Secret Combinations in government and preparing for future catastrophes. But perhaps the prophets of today are speaking more in subdued tones to avoid the ire of U.S. hegemonic and corrupt government. Perhaps this is why we are admonished to read the BofM wherein it tells us, especially in Ether 8, that the Jaredite Nation was brought down by Secret Combos taking over their government, and that the Nephite Nation was brought down by Secret Combos taking over government, and that Moroni spoke prophetically about the same Secret Combos taking over our government today if we do not awaken to our awful situation.

Is it me, or did he repeat this in a couple of talks, the first one he said no prophesying, the second, he left out that little disclaimer. Anyone else remember this?

I remember that he also stated that he was speaking with as much "soberness" as he could. Further, we must realize that he could start a panic if he spoke in stronger terms. Just this Sunday, our teacher (works at BYU) referred to a talk some months ago where Elder Ballard was asked if we are gonna hear any talks about getting prepared, etc. and the person quoted his response along these word, "You've already been warned", as well we have. We have been warned over & over again and (what?) perhaps less than 20% of active LDS even, have a 6-month supply of "life sustaining essentials"? Even now, with the obivous current financial crisis, economic strife, those "active" LDS still working, have they altered their spending patterns?

Mullenite wrote:I’ve had some interesting thoughts just lately, concerning this post about Pres. Hinckley and the seven years of famine. Perhaps Cowell is really onto something here – - something I haven’t given enough heed to.

Prophets of old, especially in the OT like Isaiah, often spoke in ways that were hard to understand or interpret. But those who were inspired by the HG understood. Perhaps the Prophets of today, especially since the more outspoken Presidents McKay and Benson, have been speaking in ways similar to Isaiah of old. It seems there has been less talk about Secret Combinations in government and preparing for future catastrophes. But perhaps the prophets of today are speaking more in subdued tones to avoid the ire of U.S. hegemonic and corrupt government. Perhaps this is why we are admonished to read the BofM wherein it tells us, especially in Ether 8, that the Jaredite Nation was brought down by Secret Combos taking over their government, and that the Nephite Nation was brought down by Secret Combos taking over government, and that Moroni spoke prophetically about the same Secret Combos taking over our government today if we do not awaken to our awful situation.

Being awake to our awful situation, is being aware that it has already happened, and those who are awake are prepared for the consequences.

Bob

The government will own everything and everyone before this is over. The Book of Genesis, Chapter 47:13-20 provides us with a possible glimpse of our future:

And there was no bread in all the land; for the famine was very sore, so that the land of Egypt and all the land of Canaan fainted by reason of the famine.

And Joseph gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, for the corn which they bought: and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh’s house.

And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.

And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail.

And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year.

When that year was ended, they came unto him the second year, and said unto him, We will not hide it from my lord, how that our money is spent; my lord also hath our herds of cattle; there is not ought left in the sight of my lord, but our bodies, and our lands:

Wherefore shall we die before thine eyes, both we and our land? buy us and our land for bread, and we and our land will be servants unto Pharaoh: and give us seed, that we may live, and not die, that the land be not desolate.

And Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh; for the Egyptians sold every man his field, because the famine prevailed over them: so the land became Pharaoh’s.

In the end, everything and everyone belonged to Pharaoh. The people sold all that they owned for for food. When they no longer owned anything, they sold themselves and became servants of Pharaoh.

In our modern world, we're experiencing a famine of money. It's interesting to me in the account in Genesis, it was Joseph (who represented Pharoah) who "gathered up all the money in the land". Rather than allowing the money to circulate, it was controlled by the government. Then in the next verse, it says the money failed. Did Pharoah cause the financial collapse by having Joseph "gather it all up". Pharoah is the one who ends up benefiting in the end. Not only does he own all the land of Egypt, he owns the people as well.

President Obama and the rest of the gang in Washington want to bail us all out by taking control of everything and every one. If we give in to them, we will end up like the Egyptians. We will be servants of the government.

ready2prepare wrote:Sounds like a prophet speaking as a prophet to me.

There's no doubt that he was, indeed, a "prophet speaking".

The timing of the talks and the parable he gave is indeed interesting, but in my mind unimportant. What is important is that we hear and heed the message.

mchlwise wrote:

ready2prepare wrote:Sounds like a prophet speaking as a prophet to me.

There's no doubt that he was, indeed, a "prophet speaking".
The timing of the talks and the parable he gave is indeed
interesting, but in my mind unimportant. What is important
is that we hear and heed the message.

Agreed. And those who heard and heeded the prophetic
warnings given in 1998 and 2001 are likely faring much
better than those who either didn't hear the warnings
or chose to ignore them.

Best Regards,
Sharon (Making the Best of Basics) in Mississippi

Helping people prepare for uncertain times ahead:
http://www.preparednessyellowpages.com

OK, the point is spot on about the exact time and so on being unimportant. But we do know that parables are given and stories are told that tell us of our day specifically. That being said, we had just passed through an incredible time of prosperity in the 90's and the 00's. Too many of us, especially members, spend that prosperity on boats, trailers, mcmansions and so on when we have been told over and over for our whole lives and that of our parents to get our food storage and get out of debt. We have a hard time doing what the Lord tells us.
The government is corrupt and the gadiantons have taken over, why argue the fine points? We need to use whatever time we have left to sturdy up our families, extended families and our wards and be ready for the SHTF scenario we know is coming to our doorstep.
Time is a wastin'

This part of President Hinckley's "To the Boys and to the Men" talk from Oct 1998 really impressed upon my mind and stuck with me:

"What a wonderful feeling it is to be free of debt, to have a little money against a day of emergency put away where it can be retrieved when necessary."

"I urge you, brethren, to look to the condition of your finances. I urge you to be modest in your expenditures; discipline yourselves in your purchases to avoid debt to the extent possible. Pay off debt as quickly as you can, and free yourselves from bondage."

This is a part of the temporal gospel in which we believe. May the Lord bless you, my beloved brethren, to set your houses in order. If you have paid your debts, if you have a reserve, even though it be small, then should storms howl about your head, you will have shelter for your wives and children and peace in your hearts. That's all I have to say about it, but I wish to say it with all the emphasis of which I am capable."

It took 10 years but we were finally able to heed his counsel and it couldn't have come at a better time.


And from the his talk in Oct 2001 "Living in the Fulness of Times" he did mention the fulfilling of one prophecy:

The vision of Joel has been fulfilled wherein he declared:
"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come.
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call" (Joel 2:28–32).

Supposedly, on April 26, 2008, President Packer, of the Quorum of the 12, unexpectedly attended the Highland Utah South Stake Conference and he commented on the following:


Quote:

The church is now larger in countries outside of North America

North America and Europe are no longer considered Christian regions or nations.

South of the equator and other 3rd world countries are more Christian, but very destitute.

He said the time has now come that we will see some very hard times.

He talked about how we, and the youth's parents, have basically grown up in luxury, but that he had not.

He lived during the depression.

He talked about things that occurred during the depression such as; soup kitchens, vagabonds and hobos that traveled the train system seeking work
and food, etc.

He told the youth and their parents that they will need to be thrifty-

> �· Use it up.

> �· Wear it out.

> �· Make it do.

> �· Or do without.

He talked to the youth about:

1. Obeying their parents - They REALLY DO KNOW - he was trying to be gentle but firm on this

2. Respect mothers.

3. And learning to eat differently than they had before

He talked to the parents about Families; the Church is not, and will not be, responsible for raising the children.

The church programs will be different - he made this seem like this change, and other changes that will occur, will happen real soon.

He stressed that things will change, but that the Church is on the right course and he stressed this several times.

He said the Saints in the 3rd world countries will need our help - that it will be the our responsibility (the Church's).

Notes from the Stake President/Bishops meeting that followed

1. Ramp up your food storage in a major way (the impression was that assistance would be needed for South American peoples).

2. Emphasis on 2 Nephi 32:9 (Pray always and not faint) - Consecrate our efforts by asking for a blessing

3. The status of the church with regards to food storage - 27% have short term supply - 13% have long term supply

4. Stake temple service will help us better weather the fallout of the storms that are ahead.

In March of 2003 he came to the Stake Conference in Midway, Utah, here in our valley. He quoted one verse of scripture 3 times on Saturday night and
again on Sunday morning. This is when we had just gone into Iraq.

D&C 38:28-29

'I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives. Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.'

Then he would quote the end of verse 30: 'If ye are prepared ye shall not fear.'

He is trying to warn us without scaring us half to death. The First Presidency and the Quorum of the 12 know what is coming.

They are trying to tell us. Are we listening??? Are we doing anything about it???

hawkeye wrote:The government will own everything and everyone before this is over. The Book of Genesis, Chapter 47:13-20 provides us with a possible glimpse of our future:

And there was no bread in all the land; for the famine was very sore, so that the land of Egypt and all the land of Canaan fainted by reason of the famine.

And Joseph gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, for the corn which they bought: and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh’s house.

And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.

And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail.

And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year.

When that year was ended, they came unto him the second year, and said unto him, We will not hide it from my lord, how that our money is spent; my lord also hath our herds of cattle; there is not ought left in the sight of my lord, but our bodies, and our lands:

Wherefore shall we die before thine eyes, both we and our land? buy us and our land for bread, and we and our land will be servants unto Pharaoh: and give us seed, that we may live, and not die, that the land be not desolate.

And Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh; for the Egyptians sold every man his field, because the famine prevailed over them: so the land became Pharaoh’s.

In the end, everything and everyone belonged to Pharaoh. The people sold all that they owned for for food. When they no longer owned anything, they sold themselves and became servants of Pharaoh.

In our modern world, we're experiencing a famine of money. It's interesting to me in the account in Genesis, it was Joseph (who represented Pharoah) who "gathered up all the money in the land". Rather than allowing the money to circulate, it was controlled by the government. Then in the next verse, it says the money failed. Did Pharoah cause the financial collapse by having Joseph "gather it all up". Pharoah is the one who ends up benefiting in the end. Not only does he own all the land of Egypt, he owns the people as well.

President Obama and the rest of the gang in Washington want to bail us all out by taking control of everything and every one. If we give in to them, we will end up like the Egyptians. We will be servants of the government.

This is an interesting insight hawkeye. There are lots of parallels in the story of Joseph to the church. I believe it may be considered an allegory which foretells Joseph (LDS church) in the last days. Consider these ideas.
**Joseph had a dream from God that he would rule over his brothers, Jacob favors Joseph. God restores the LDS Church and endows it with authority and to be the true church above all other christian churches.
**Jacob sends Joseph to check on his brothers. The LDS Church is sent to preach to other christian congregations.
**The brothers persecute Joseph. Christian congregations persecute the LDS church.
**The brothers bloody the coat which identifies him as the favored son and Joseph is exiled to Egypt. Christian mobs kill Joseph Smith (thinking that would put an end to the church) and the LDS church goes into exile into the wilderness.
**Joseph prospers but is thrown into prison because of false accusation of immorality. The Church is placed in debtors prison by the US because it is accused of immorality (polygamy).
**Joseph interprets the dreams of the baker and butler, baker dies, butler is reinstalled. The church must abandon it's desire to establish the physical kingdom (no more political government), yet rises in prominence as a spiritual kingdom.
**Joseph interprets Pharoah's dream and is placed in a position of prominence and prepares for famine. For quite some time, the church has been a respected institution (except among christian congregations), it has prepared for famine (spiritual and temporal), and has proven to be quite the administrator, like Joseph.

If this parallel is carried out, the day will come when humbled christian congregations will have the veil removed from their eyes and see Mormons for what we really are, their younger brother in Christ. Faithful believers will come to the Zion which Joseph sets aside for them to dwell. Joseph (LDS) will be the ruler in Zion because of the Priesthood authority and fulfillment of prophecy.
It is interesting that Joseph in Egypt worked under the authority of Pharoah to acquire the lands of the Egyptians (gentiles). Will that have a parallel?
It will be fascinating to see the mechanics of how Zion is established in the US in the midst of the coming famine!

Carlos

President Gordon B. Hinckley has given us three warnings concerning the Pharaoh’s dream:

“I wish to speak to you about temporal matters.” (Then he read the story from Genesis 41 about the Pharaoh of Egypt who had a dream that Joseph interpreted. He read the passage from the Bible about the dream of seven fat kine and seven lean kine, seven full ears of corn and seven withered ears of corn.) “Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order...There is a portent of stormy weather ahead to which we had better give heed.” (Ensign, Nov. 1998, 51).


“I cannot forget the lesson of Pharaoh’s dream of the fat & lean kine and of the full and withered stalks of corn” “I cannot dismiss from my mind the grim warnings of the Lord as set forth in the 24th chapter of Matthew.” (Ensign, Nov. 2001, 72).


“Let us never lose sight of the dream of Pharaoh concerning the fat cattle and the lean, the full ears of corn, and the blasted ears; the meaning of which was interpreted by Joseph to indicate years of plenty and years of scarcity.” (Ensign, Nov. 2005)

This is a clear an unmistakable warning that we need to prepare our lives, our families and our homes for what is about to transpire! As I have heard it said before, you do not have to hear the Prophet or the Apostles say, “Thus saith the Lord”, before the words they speak, to know that they come from the Lord. I have always been taught that after the Lord gives a warning for the third time that the day of preparation is quickly coming to an end. When the Prophet uses words such as “I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order” and “I cannot forget the lesson” and “Let us never lose sight” and “That’s all I have to say about it, but I wish to say it with all the emphasis of which I am capable”, you can rest assured that the Lord is speaking through His Prophet. Now the last thing the leaders of our church want to do is to cause hysteria and panic the people of this church into doing something that they have been commanded to do ever since Brigham Young told the saints to store up seven years of food and supplies.

Carlos and Hawkeye, I had never thought of the parallels between Joseph in Egypt and the Church today. That makes so much sense. Now do you suppose the Saints will become captives to the gov't (as did the children of Israel in Egypt at Moses' time) and have our own modern-day Moses deliver us? It could be said that we already went through that stage with Brigham Young and the exodus to the Salt Lake Valley. But there could be one more instance to come. And if Moses is a type and shadow of Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ himself will be the one to deliver us in our darkest hour. (I'm just thinking out loud.)

kathyn wrote:Carlos and Hawkeye, I had never thought of the parallels between Joseph in Egypt and the Church today. That makes so much sense. Now do you suppose the Saints will become captives to the gov't (as did the children of Israel in Egypt at Moses' time) and have our own modern-day Moses deliver us? It could be said that we already went through that stage with Brigham Young and the exodus to the Salt Lake Valley. But there could be one more instance to come. And if Moses is a type and shadow of Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ himself will be the one to deliver us in our darkest hour. (I'm just thinking out loud.)

The bondage will probably be financial and maybe physical as well. But being in bondage is definitely supported by the following scripture:

D&C 103:15-20:
15 Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power;
16 Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel.
17 For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.
18 And as your fathers were led at the first, even so shall the redemption of Zion be.
19 Therefore, let not your hearts faint, for I say not unto you as I said unto your fathers: Mine angel shall go up before you, but not my presence.
20 But I say unto you: Mine angels shall go up before you, and also my presence, and in time ye shall possess the goodly land.

So it is very clear that we will be in bondage. The man like unto Moses is the President of the Church (see D&C 107:91-92). He will lead us back to redeem Zion the same way that Moses delivered the children of Israel out of Egypt. So this is still in the future.