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Rand wrote:

Carlos wrote: Consider these ideas.
**Joseph had a dream from God that he would rule over his brothers, Jacob favors Joseph. God restores the LDS Church and endows it with authority and to be the true church above all other christian churches.
**Jacob sends Joseph to check on his brothers. The LDS Church is sent to preach to other christian congregations.
**The brothers persecute Joseph. Christian congregations persecute the LDS church.
**The brothers bloody the coat which identifies him as the favored son and Joseph is exiled to Egypt. Christian mobs kill Joseph Smith (thinking that would put an end to the church) and the LDS church goes into exile into the wilderness.
**Joseph prospers but is thrown into prison because of false accusation of immorality. The Church is placed in debtors prison by the US because it is accused of immorality (polygamy).
**Joseph interprets the dreams of the baker and butler, baker dies, butler is reinstalled. The church must abandon it's desire to establish the physical kingdom (no more political government), yet rises in prominence as a spiritual kingdom.
**Joseph interprets Pharoah's dream and is placed in a position of prominence and prepares for famine. For quite some time, the church has been a respected institution (except among christian congregations), it has prepared for famine (spiritual and temporal), and has proven to be quite the administrator, like Joseph.

If this parallel is carried out, the day will come when humbled christian congregations will have the veil removed from their eyes and see Mormons for what we really are, their younger brother in Christ. Faithful believers will come to the Zion which Joseph sets aside for them to dwell. Joseph (LDS) will be the ruler in Zion because of the Priesthood authority and fulfillment of prophecy.
It is interesting that Joseph in Egypt worked under the authority of Pharoah to acquire the lands of the Egyptians (gentiles). Will that have a parallel?
It will be fascinating to see the mechanics of how Zion is established in the US in the midst of the coming famine!

Carlos

Fascinating Carlos. Excellent insight. Thanks for that. It makes perfect sense to me.

Original_Intent wrote:Good point, in fact I had read that some farmers lost their money to buy next year's seed in the MF Global mess. So there will be some impact next year.

AGStacker wrote:There is absolutely no way that we are towards the end of the 7 years of famine! That is absolutely rubbish! The 7 years of famine will be much worse than the last few years.

Have we entered one? Maybe but let's not forget FAMINE is different from depression. A famine would wipe out tens of millions if not hundred of millions on the Earth.

Farm land, along with metals, will be the investment of the decade.

This is how the Church will explode in dominion and strength. How many of their assets are in raw land and farm land alone?

firend wrote:I actually never caught this before. Ofcourse many of us on here know all about this talk Hinckley gave in 98 Semi-annual General conference.

A lot of people make a big deal out of it. We know Hinckley was God's mouthpeace, so many of us use this famine talk as coming from God, so we can better predict future events.

Then I read his talk again, and read this:


Pharaoh, the ruler of Egypt, dreamed dreams which greatly troubled him. The wise men of his court could not give an interpretation. Joseph was then brought before him: "Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river:

"And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow:

"And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed. . . .

"And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: . . .

"And I saw in my dream . . . seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good:

"And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them:

"And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: . . .

"And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, . . . God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do.

"The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. . . .

". . . What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.

"Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:

"And there shall arise after them seven years of famine.

". . . And God will shortly bring it to pass" (Gen. 41:17­20, 22­26, 28­30, 32).

Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order.



Ah, I feel stupid, I supposed many of us missed the part of him not prophesying, or even predictiong. woops.

Mullenite wrote:Supposedly, on April 26, 2008, President Packer, of the Quorum of the 12, unexpectedly attended the Highland Utah South Stake Conference and he commented on the following:


Quote:

The church is now larger in countries outside of North America

North America and Europe are no longer considered Christian regions or nations.

South of the equator and other 3rd world countries are more Christian, but very destitute.

He said the time has now come that we will see some very hard times.

He talked about how we, and the youth's parents, have basically grown up in luxury, but that he had not.

He lived during the depression.

He talked about things that occurred during the depression such as; soup kitchens, vagabonds and hobos that traveled the train system seeking work
and food, etc.

He told the youth and their parents that they will need to be thrifty-

> �· Use it up.

> �· Wear it out.

> �· Make it do.

> �· Or do without.

He talked to the youth about:

1. Obeying their parents - They REALLY DO KNOW - he was trying to be gentle but firm on this

2. Respect mothers.

3. And learning to eat differently than they had before

He talked to the parents about Families; the Church is not, and will not be, responsible for raising the children.

The church programs will be different - he made this seem like this change, and other changes that will occur, will happen real soon.

He stressed that things will change, but that the Church is on the right course and he stressed this several times.

He said the Saints in the 3rd world countries will need our help - that it will be the our responsibility (the Church's).

Notes from the Stake President/Bishops meeting that followed

1. Ramp up your food storage in a major way (the impression was that assistance would be needed for South American peoples).

2. Emphasis on 2 Nephi 32:9 (Pray always and not faint) - Consecrate our efforts by asking for a blessing

3. The status of the church with regards to food storage - 27% have short term supply - 13% have long term supply

4. Stake temple service will help us better weather the fallout of the storms that are ahead.

In March of 2003 he came to the Stake Conference in Midway, Utah, here in our valley. He quoted one verse of scripture 3 times on Saturday night and
again on Sunday morning. This is when we had just gone into Iraq.

D&C 38:28-29

'I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives. Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.'

Then he would quote the end of verse 30: 'If ye are prepared ye shall not fear.'

He is trying to warn us without scaring us half to death. The First Presidency and the Quorum of the 12 know what is coming.

They are trying to tell us. Are we listening??? Are we doing anything about it???

Carlos wrote:

hawkeye wrote:The government will own everything and everyone before this is over. The Book of Genesis, Chapter 47:13-20 provides us with a possible glimpse of our future:

And there was no bread in all the land; for the famine was very sore, so that the land of Egypt and all the land of Canaan fainted by reason of the famine.

And Joseph gathered up all the money that was found in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, for the corn which they bought: and Joseph brought the money into Pharaoh’s house.

And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.

And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail.

And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year.

When that year was ended, they came unto him the second year, and said unto him, We will not hide it from my lord, how that our money is spent; my lord also hath our herds of cattle; there is not ought left in the sight of my lord, but our bodies, and our lands:

Wherefore shall we die before thine eyes, both we and our land? buy us and our land for bread, and we and our land will be servants unto Pharaoh: and give us seed, that we may live, and not die, that the land be not desolate.

And Joseph bought all the land of Egypt for Pharaoh; for the Egyptians sold every man his field, because the famine prevailed over them: so the land became Pharaoh’s.

In the end, everything and everyone belonged to Pharaoh. The people sold all that they owned for for food. When they no longer owned anything, they sold themselves and became servants of Pharaoh.

In our modern world, we're experiencing a famine of money. It's interesting to me in the account in Genesis, it was Joseph (who represented Pharoah) who "gathered up all the money in the land". Rather than allowing the money to circulate, it was controlled by the government. Then in the next verse, it says the money failed. Did Pharoah cause the financial collapse by having Joseph "gather it all up". Pharoah is the one who ends up benefiting in the end. Not only does he own all the land of Egypt, he owns the people as well.

President Obama and the rest of the gang in Washington want to bail us all out by taking control of everything and every one. If we give in to them, we will end up like the Egyptians. We will be servants of the government.

This is an interesting insight hawkeye. There are lots of parallels in the story of Joseph to the church. I believe it may be considered an allegory which foretells Joseph (LDS church) in the last days. Consider these ideas.
**Joseph had a dream from God that he would rule over his brothers, Jacob favors Joseph. God restores the LDS Church and endows it with authority and to be the true church above all other christian churches.
**Jacob sends Joseph to check on his brothers. The LDS Church is sent to preach to other christian congregations.
**The brothers persecute Joseph. Christian congregations persecute the LDS church.
**The brothers bloody the coat which identifies him as the favored son and Joseph is exiled to Egypt. Christian mobs kill Joseph Smith (thinking that would put an end to the church) and the LDS church goes into exile into the wilderness.
**Joseph prospers but is thrown into prison because of false accusation of immorality. The Church is placed in debtors prison by the US because it is accused of immorality (polygamy).
**Joseph interprets the dreams of the baker and butler, baker dies, butler is reinstalled. The church must abandon it's desire to establish the physical kingdom (no more political government), yet rises in prominence as a spiritual kingdom.
**Joseph interprets Pharoah's dream and is placed in a position of prominence and prepares for famine. For quite some time, the church has been a respected institution (except among christian congregations), it has prepared for famine (spiritual and temporal), and has proven to be quite the administrator, like Joseph.

If this parallel is carried out, the day will come when humbled christian congregations will have the veil removed from their eyes and see Mormons for what we really are, their younger brother in Christ. Faithful believers will come to the Zion which Joseph sets aside for them to dwell. Joseph (LDS) will be the ruler in Zion because of the Priesthood authority and fulfillment of prophecy.
It is interesting that Joseph in Egypt worked under the authority of Pharoah to acquire the lands of the Egyptians (gentiles). Will that have a parallel?
It will be fascinating to see the mechanics of how Zion is established in the US in the midst of the coming famine!

Carlos

Jezebel wrote:

Mullenite wrote:I’ve had some interesting thoughts just lately, concerning this post about Pres. Hinckley and the seven years of famine. Perhaps Cowell is really onto something here – - something I haven’t given enough heed to.

M

Mullenite, I would agree, except in saying that they are not trying to raise the ire of the government. Isaiah couldn't speak clearly because of the wickedness of his generation. It was the church members who were listening to him that couldn't abide the truths that he knew.

I'm unwilling to believe that most of the church members today are willingly rejecting the Lord, but I do think many are being blinded by the craftiness of men. I know I was in the past and only recently have I realized that I have to question everything I've heard, especially those things coming from human sources. I also find that I have to be careful in talking to others. Because of the lies being perpetuated in our world, many people have been conditioned to reject things outright without thinking about them when they hear certain terms or ideas. I've learned that I have to be careful about who I'm speaking to and what I'm saying. I approach things differently with my family than I do here on this board. I hope to teach my family these truths, but I know I can't do it by giving them the straight truth because they would reject it straight out. I have to build on what they know and just hint at the deeper truths, hoping they'll look deeper.

firend wrote: ↑November 8th, 2009, 5:18 pm I actually never caught this before. Ofcourse many of us on here know all about this talk Hinckley gave in 98 Semi-annual General conference.

A lot of people make a big deal out of it. We know Hinckley was God's mouthpeace, so many of us use this famine talk as coming from God, so we can better predict future events.

Then I read his talk again, and read this:


Pharaoh, the ruler of Egypt, dreamed dreams which greatly troubled him. The wise men of his court could not give an interpretation. Joseph was then brought before him: "Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river:

"And, behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fatfleshed and well favoured; and they fed in a meadow:

"And, behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill favoured and leanfleshed. . . .

"And the lean and the ill favoured kine did eat up the first seven fat kine: . . .

"And I saw in my dream . . . seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good:

"And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them:

"And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: . . .

"And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, . . . God hath shewed Pharaoh what he is about to do.

"The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years: the dream is one. . . .

". . . What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.

"Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:

"And there shall arise after them seven years of famine.

". . . And God will shortly bring it to pass" (Gen. 41:17­20, 22­26, 28­30, 32).

Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order.



Ah, I feel stupid, I supposed many of us missed the part of him not prophesying, or even predictiong. woops.

Cowell wrote: ↑November 8th, 2009, 5:24 pm Maybe he didn't even realize he was prophesying. I've given plenty of priesthood blessings and received plenty where no one knew the meaning of the words said at the time or why the inspiration came to say them... But what is very interesting about this quote above is that he said it when the US economy was at its absolute height. Not too many people were speaking or thinking this way at that time. Many people thought the economy might improve infinitely.