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Posted: **June 5th, 2011, 6:03 pm**

I think they say more in stake conferences because the media isn't listening to stake conference, only general conference. much easier to say stuff there.

Posted: **June 5th, 2011, 6:14 pm**

Nan: I do understand lask of MSM. I still wonder why this occurs at only selected Stakes? God is NOT a respector of persons.

What say all?

Posted: **June 5th, 2011, 6:39 pm**

Sam, i have family all across the us, including nc. Last fall several of us were having broadcastregional and stake conf. The messages were very similar re our times and spiritual/temp preparedness, coping with ou current times, etc. I dont feel jipped bc bkp n holland gave the provo saints the hole in the rock talk and we got the alma wars talk. They dont feel jipped bc we got the 'your testimony isnt protective enough' from pres uchtdorf and they didnt. We share. Besides, only those who take the holy spirit for their guide will abide the day. We all have access to that. As for warnings, they have been plentiful. Nephi states that destruction has never come to the house of israel without first being warned by the prophet. We have been warned in gen conf, reg conf, stake conf, wards, and the holy ghost. Over and over again.

Posted: **June 6th, 2011, 9:04 am**

Linj: Thank you for your post. Just one thing in counting on the spreading of local talks to other parts of tyhe country. Many exagerations occur and distortions. The more it goes through layers of people, the less accurate is what you hear in the communication stream.

What say ye?

Posted: **June 6th, 2011, 11:15 am**

Jason wrote:
Tribunal wrote:So assuming we are talking about seven years, from 2008 to 2015, I only have to endure for four more years? Than what?
Prosperity....Zion???

maybe the seven years of plenty are over and now we have begun the seven years of...........................*ell?

Posted: **June 6th, 2011, 9:08 pm**

SB: Yes we are in the 7 years of hell on earth. The major question is: will it end in 2012 or 2015.

Posted: **June 6th, 2011, 9:50 pm**

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Nan: I do understand lask of MSM. I still wonder why this occurs at only selected Stakes? God is NOT a respector of persons.

What say all?

sam, obviously the telephone game can be an issue in spreading info from local talks. The spirit can help us in discerning truth from error. I was responding to your concern/complaint above and in other tgreads that either the ga's arent saying enough or as in the case above--why do some congregations receive certqin info and others do not. To the first....the ga's have said plenty over and over again. How many other ways do they need to say it. To the latter, this may be harsh, and your welcome call me out on it, but your above quote sounds a little like nephites' response to samuel the lamanite...

Helamen 16:18--19
"...why will He not show himself unto us as well as in the land of Jerusalem? Yea, why will He not show himself in this land as well as in the land of jerusalem?"

they further contend in verse 20 that the prophets are keeping them "in ignorance" because these prophecies will be fulfilled in a far distant land and the nephites cant witness with their own eyes that they are true.

Certainly in v19 they are showing a lack of understanding b/c the lord will show himself to them in his own time and his own way. But they seem to be blind to this perhaps due to their contempt and jealousy. And then they accuse the prophets of keeping them in the dark.

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 10:27 am**

Jason: Please help me find that 2001 talk. Did GBH give it in which GC? Thanks.

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 11:22 am**

boomer wrote:President Gordon B. Hinckley has given us three warnings concerning the Pharaoh’s dream:

“I wish to speak to you about temporal matters.” (Then he read the story from Genesis 41 about the Pharaoh of Egypt who had a dream that Joseph interpreted. He read the passage from the Bible about the dream of seven fat kine and seven lean kine, seven full ears of corn and seven withered ears of corn.) “Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying, that I am not predicting years of famine in the future. But I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order...There is a portent of stormy weather ahead to which we had better give heed.” (Ensign, Nov. 1998, 51).

“I cannot forget the lesson of Pharaoh’s dream of the fat & lean kine and of the full and withered stalks of corn” “I cannot dismiss from my mind the grim warnings of the Lord as set forth in the 24th chapter of Matthew.” (Ensign, Nov. 2001, 72).

“Let us never lose sight of the dream of Pharaoh concerning the fat cattle and the lean, the full ears of corn, and the blasted ears; the meaning of which was interpreted by Joseph to indicate years of plenty and years of scarcity.” (Ensign, Nov. 2005)

This is a clear an unmistakable warning that we need to prepare our lives, our families and our homes for what is about to transpire! As I have heard it said before, you do not have to hear the Prophet or the Apostles say, “Thus saith the Lord”, before the words they speak, to know that they come from the Lord. I have always been taught that after the Lord gives a warning for the third time that the day of preparation is quickly coming to an end. When the Prophet uses words such as “I am suggesting that the time has come to get our houses in order” and “I cannot forget the lesson” and “Let us never lose sight” and “That’s all I have to say about it, but I wish to say it with all the emphasis of which I am capable”, you can rest assured that the Lord is speaking through His Prophet. Now the last thing the leaders of our church want to do is to cause hysteria and panic the people of this church into doing something that they have been commanded to do ever since Brigham Young told the saints to store up seven years of food and supplies.

...for Samuel

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 11:28 am**

Jason: A million thanks. This is beyonbd mere coincidence.

FWIW, I now look upon the end of the lean years as 2015 rather than 2012. As I said before, 2015 in the Jewish calender is when the Messiah is said to come. I will do some research on that to get a real source.

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 11:32 am**

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:SB: Yes we are in the 7 years of hell on earth. The major question is: will it end in 2012 or 2015.

I'll go with 2015, figuring Dec. 21 2012 as the APEX date of the last seven

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 11:35 am**

SB: Neat idea: Apex date or even midpoint. This thread has been very eye opening for me. Filled in many of the missing pieces for me.
Thanks to all who have contributed so well.

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 11:36 am**

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Jason: A million thanks. This is beyonbd mere coincidence.

FWIW, I now look upon the end of the lean years as 2015 rather than 2012. As I said before, 2015 in the Jewish calender is when the Messiah is said to come. I will do some research on that to get a real source.

Your welcome....Palmoni Scrolls have it pegged May/June time frame.....in December we'll find out if they are on track!

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 11:39 am**

Jason: I guess I'll have to do research on the Palmenti Scrolls as I know nothing about them. I've hypothesized early April on our calender so that is close to the scrolls date. So many key events have happened in early April in God's dealings with mankind. From my study, I see God working with key dates, numbers, and patterns.

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 11:48 am**

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Jason: I guess I'll have to do research on the Palmenti Scrolls as I know nothing about them. I've hypothesized early April on our calender so that is close to the scrolls date. So many key events have happened in early April in God's dealings with mankind. From my study, I see God working with key dates, numbers, and patterns.

I pointed you to some links (several individual scrolls or drawings - i.e. Palmoni Scrolls) that you said you would look at a while back....

Posted: **June 7th, 2011, 3:17 pm**

Jason: Please forgive a forgetful old brother. Would be too inconvenient to repost them?

Thanks.

Posted: **June 14th, 2011, 12:37 pm**

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Jason: Please forgive a forgetful old brother. Would be too inconvenient to repost them?

Thanks.

No worries....probably start with this one -
http://www.gigapan.org/gigapans/fullscreen/69352/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

....scroll in and out with your mouse (like Google Earth)

Here's source -
http://scripturalsecrets.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **June 14th, 2011, 2:57 pm**

Thanks. It appears I have to download a viewer to really rad. Is that correct? What would you say are the key conclusions that I should be looking for?

Posted: **June 14th, 2011, 9:25 pm**

Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Thanks. It appears I have to download a viewer to really rad. Is that correct? What would you say are the key conclusions that I should be looking for?

Use the wheel on your mouse to scroll in and out. Click and drag to move across the scroll.....no need for a viewer.

Accuracy...timing.

Posted: **June 15th, 2011, 3:32 am**

Jason: Thanks for the help

Posted: **December 12th, 2011, 4:11 pm**

Jason wrote:
Samuel the Lamanite wrote:Jason: Please forgive a forgetful old brother. Would be too inconvenient to repost them?

Thanks.
No worries....probably start with this one -
http://www.gigapan.org/gigapans/fullscreen/69352/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

....scroll in and out with your mouse (like Google Earth)

Here's source -
http://scripturalsecrets.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I just read this thread from start to finish after having read about the Prophecy of the Popes. Made me notice something on the Palmoni Scrolls that I hadn't before. The End of the Popes in a time line similar to the "Prophecy". Interesting.

Posted: **December 12th, 2011, 8:50 pm**

Carlos wrote: Consider these ideas.
**Joseph had a dream from God that he would rule over his brothers, Jacob favors Joseph. God restores the LDS Church and endows it with authority and to be the true church above all other christian churches.
**Jacob sends Joseph to check on his brothers. The LDS Church is sent to preach to other christian congregations.
**The brothers persecute Joseph. Christian congregations persecute the LDS church.
**The brothers bloody the coat which identifies him as the favored son and Joseph is exiled to Egypt. Christian mobs kill Joseph Smith (thinking that would put an end to the church) and the LDS church goes into exile into the wilderness.
**Joseph prospers but is thrown into prison because of false accusation of immorality. The Church is placed in debtors prison by the US because it is accused of immorality (polygamy).
**Joseph interprets the dreams of the baker and butler, baker dies, butler is reinstalled. The church must abandon it's desire to establish the physical kingdom (no more political government), yet rises in prominence as a spiritual kingdom.
**Joseph interprets Pharoah's dream and is placed in a position of prominence and prepares for famine. For quite some time, the church has been a respected institution (except among christian congregations), it has prepared for famine (spiritual and temporal), and has proven to be quite the administrator, like Joseph.

If this parallel is carried out, the day will come when humbled christian congregations will have the veil removed from their eyes and see Mormons for what we really are, their younger brother in Christ. Faithful believers will come to the Zion which Joseph sets aside for them to dwell. Joseph (LDS) will be the ruler in Zion because of the Priesthood authority and fulfillment of prophecy.
It is interesting that Joseph in Egypt worked under the authority of Pharoah to acquire the lands of the Egyptians (gentiles). Will that have a parallel?
It will be fascinating to see the mechanics of how Zion is established in the US in the midst of the coming famine!

Carlos

Fascinating Carlos. Excellent insight. Thanks for that. It makes perfect sense to me.

Posted: **December 12th, 2011, 9:28 pm**

Rand wrote:
Carlos wrote: Consider these ideas.
**Joseph had a dream from God that he would rule over his brothers, Jacob favors Joseph. God restores the LDS Church and endows it with authority and to be the true church above all other christian churches.
**Jacob sends Joseph to check on his brothers. The LDS Church is sent to preach to other christian congregations.
**The brothers persecute Joseph. Christian congregations persecute the LDS church.
**The brothers bloody the coat which identifies him as the favored son and Joseph is exiled to Egypt. Christian mobs kill Joseph Smith (thinking that would put an end to the church) and the LDS church goes into exile into the wilderness.
**Joseph prospers but is thrown into prison because of false accusation of immorality. The Church is placed in debtors prison by the US because it is accused of immorality (polygamy).
**Joseph interprets the dreams of the baker and butler, baker dies, butler is reinstalled. The church must abandon it's desire to establish the physical kingdom (no more political government), yet rises in prominence as a spiritual kingdom.
**Joseph interprets Pharoah's dream and is placed in a position of prominence and prepares for famine. For quite some time, the church has been a respected institution (except among christian congregations), it has prepared for famine (spiritual and temporal), and has proven to be quite the administrator, like Joseph.

If this parallel is carried out, the day will come when humbled christian congregations will have the veil removed from their eyes and see Mormons for what we really are, their younger brother in Christ. Faithful believers will come to the Zion which Joseph sets aside for them to dwell. Joseph (LDS) will be the ruler in Zion because of the Priesthood authority and fulfillment of prophecy.
It is interesting that Joseph in Egypt worked under the authority of Pharoah to acquire the lands of the Egyptians (gentiles). Will that have a parallel?
It will be fascinating to see the mechanics of how Zion is established in the US in the midst of the coming famine!

Carlos
Fascinating Carlos. Excellent insight. Thanks for that. It makes perfect sense to me.

Yes, Carlos.
I think you did and excellent job on this.

Posted: **December 12th, 2011, 9:31 pm**

And if the scrolls are correct....the christian churches wake up call will happen very shortly...

Posted: **December 12th, 2011, 11:42 pm**

Pres Hinckley spoke of the 7 years of famine three times in conference. 1998, 2001 and 2005. Here is the 2001 talk (partial)

I put this together, so those of you who like Pres Hinckley’s talk on Oct Conference 2001 could read the scriptures he referenced along with his talk to you can get the full meaning of what he was talking about.

Great are the promises concerning this land of America. We are told unequivocally that it "is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ" (Ether 2:12). This is the crux of the entire matter—obedience to the commandments of God.

12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be afree from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but bserve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written.

The Constitution under which we live, and which has not only blessed us but has become a model for other constitutions, is our God-inspired national safeguard ensuring freedom and liberty, justice and equality before the law.
I do not know what the future holds. I do not wish to sound negative, but I wish to remind you of the warnings of scripture and the teachings of the prophets which we have had constantly before us.
I cannot forget the great lesson of Pharaoh's dream of the fat and lean kine and of the full and withered stalks of corn.
I cannot dismiss from my mind the grim warnings of the Lord as set forth in the 24th chapter of Matthew.

(JST Matthew 24:4-55.)
4 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be which thou hast said concerning the destruction of the temple, and the Jews; and what is the sign of thy coming; and of the end of the world? (or the destruction of the wicked, which is the end of the world.)

5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

7 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you; and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

08 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

19 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall deceive many.

10 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

11 But he that remaineth steadfast, and is not overcome, the same shall be saved.

12 When ye therefore, shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, concerning the destruction of Jerusalem, then ye shall stand in the holy place. (Whoso readeth let him understand.)

13 Then let them who are in Judea, flee into the mountains.

14 Let him who is on the housetop, flee, and not return to take anything out of his house.

15 Neither let him who is in the field, return back to take his clothes.

16 And woe unto them that are with child, and unto them that give suck in those days!

17 Therefore, pray ye the Lord, that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day.

18 For then, in those days, shall be great tribulations on the Jews, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem; such as was not before sent upon Israel, of God, since the beginning of their kingdom until this time; no, nor ever shall be sent again upon Israel.

19 All things which have befallen them, are only the beginning of the sorrows which shall come upon them; and except those days should be shortened, there should none of their flesh be saved.

20 But for the elect's sake, according to the covenant, those days shall be shortened.

21 Behold these things I have spoken unto you concerning the Jews.

22 And again, after the tribulation of those days which shall come upon Jerusalem, if any man shall say unto you, Lo! here is Christ, or there; believe him not.

23 For in those days, there shall also arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant.

24 Behold, I speak these things unto you for the elect's sake.

25 And ye also shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled; for all I have told you must come to pass. But the end is not yet.

26 Behold, I have told you before, Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth. Behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the light of the morning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west, and covereth the whole earth; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 And now I show unto you a parable. Behold, wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together; so likewise shall mine elect be gathered from the four quarters of the earth.

29 And they shall hear of wars, and rumors of wars. Behold, I speak unto you for mine elect's sake.

30 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there shall be famine and pestilences, and earthquakes in divers places.

31 And again, because iniquity shall abound, the love of men shall wax cold; but he that shall not be overcome, the same shall be saved.

32 And again, this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world, for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come, or the destruction of the wicked.

33 And again shall the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, be fulfilled.

34 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

35 Verily I say unto you, this generation, in which these things shall be shown forth, shall not pass away until all I have told you shall be fulfilled.

36 Although the days will come that heaven and earth shall pass away, yet my word shall not pass away; but all shall be fulfilled.

37 And as I said before, after the tribulation of those days, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken, then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn.

38 And they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

39 And whoso treasureth up my words, shall not be deceived.

40 For the Son of man shall come, and he shall send his angels before him with the great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together the remainder of his elect from the four winds; from one end of heaven to the other.

41 Now learn a parable of the fig tree: When its branches are yet tender, and it begins to put forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh at hand.

42 So likewise mine elect, when they shall see all these things, they shall know that he is near, even at the doors.

43 But of that day and hour no one knoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only.

44 But as it was in the days of Noah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of man.

45 For it shall be with them as it was in the days which were before the flood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, and knew not until the flood came and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

46 Then shall be fulfilled that which is written, that, In the last days,

47 Two shall be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.

48 Two shall be grinding at the mill; the one taken and the other left.

49 And what I say unto one, I say unto all men; Watch, therefore, for ye know not at what hour your Lord doth come.

50 But know this, if the good man of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to have been broken up; but would have been ready.

51 Therefore be ye also ready; for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of man cometh.

52 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

53 Blessed is that servant, whom his Lord when he cometh shall find so doing;

54 And, verily I say unto you, he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

55 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My Lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; the Lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, and shall cut him asunder, and shall appoint him his portion with the hypocrites; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

56 And thus cometh the end of the wicked according to the prophecy of Moses, saying, They should be cut off from among the people. But the end of the earth is not yet; but bye and bye.

I am familiar, as are you, with the declarations of modern revelation that the time will come when the earth will be cleansed and there will be indescribable distress, with weeping and mourning and lamentation (see D&C 112:24).

24 Behold, avengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of bdesolation, of cweeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

Now, I do not wish to be an alarmist. I do not wish to be a prophet of doom. I am optimistic. I do not believe the time is here when an all-consuming calamity will overtake us. I earnestly pray that it may not. There is so much of the Lord's work yet to be done. We, and our children after us, must do it.
I can assure you that we who are responsible for the management of the affairs of the Church will be prudent and careful as we have tried to be in the past. The tithes of the Church are sacred. They are appropriated in the manner set forth by the Lord Himself. We have become a very large and complex organization. We carry on many extensive and costly programs. But I can assure you that we will not exceed our income. We will not place the Church in debt. We will tailor what we do to the resources that are available.
How grateful I am for the law of tithing. It is the Lord's law of finance. It is set forth in a few words in the 119th section of the Doctrine and Covenants. It comes of His wisdom. To every man and woman, to every boy and girl, to every child in this Church who pays an honest tithing, be it large or small, I express gratitude for the faith that is in your hearts. I remind you, and those who do not pay tithing but who should, that the Lord has promised marvelous blessings (see Mal. 3:10–12). He has also promised that "he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming" (D&C 64:23).

Malachi 3:
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

D&C: 64:
23 Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming.

I express appreciation to those who pay a fast offering. This costs the giver nothing other than going without two meals a month. It becomes the backbone of our welfare program, designed to assist those in distress.

In October conference 2001 he says:
“I cannot forget the great lesson of Pharaoh’s dream of the fat and lean kine and of the full and withered stalks of corn.”

“I do not believe the time is here when an all-consuming calamity will overtake us.”

In conference October 2005, his main theme was the calamities that are and will take place. Here are a couple of quotes.

“We know, of course, that the rain falls on the just as well as the unjust”

“Let us never lose sight of the dream of Pharaoh concerning the fat cattle and the lean, the full ears of corn, and the blasted ears; the meaning of which was interpreted by Joseph to indicate years of plenty and years of scarcity (see Genesis 41:1–36).”

Notice he almost commands us to never lose sight of the dream. Why so much emphasis on this dream?

The timing of 7 years difference between the 1998 talk and the 2005 talk emphasizing pharaohs dream are not coincidence. I believe 1998 was the warning of plenty and to prepare and the 2005 was the, here it is, I told you so talk.

The talk in 2001 was saying, pay attention to Pharaohs dream, but the all consuming calamity is not on us yet.

So if I am right about this, then
Oct 1998-Sept 2005 plenty
Oct 2005-Sept 2012 stormy weather

Remember he is prophet for the world, so we can not look upon this from a U.S. only perspective.

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