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solonan wrote: March 24th, 2024, 2:40 pm
Libertas Est Salus wrote: March 23rd, 2024, 9:32 pm I got that email this morning. This stuck out to me: a “well-known anti-Mormon platform’s threatening to defame the books’ author, Avraham Gileadi."

Does anyone know or have any idea what this is referring to? Who or what is the well-known anti-Mormon platform?
I think it's because of Mormon Stories with John Dehlin. He has caused quite a stir because of Chad and Lori Daybell and the Arizona mother who kidnapped her son and tried to get to Alaska because she felt he was the DS. Apparently these folks were big Gileadi and VofG fans. Because they were, Dehlin equated their nuttiness as being influenced by those books.
Yes, Dehlin brought this up. Gileadi is on the back of Visions of Glory. I didn’t read it but apparently he supports it?

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FoundMyEden wrote: March 24th, 2024, 3:11 pm
solonan wrote: March 24th, 2024, 2:40 pm
Libertas Est Salus wrote: March 23rd, 2024, 9:32 pm I got that email this morning. This stuck out to me: a “well-known anti-Mormon platform’s threatening to defame the books’ author, Avraham Gileadi."

Does anyone know or have any idea what this is referring to? Who or what is the well-known anti-Mormon platform?
I think it's because of Mormon Stories with John Dehlin. He has caused quite a stir because of Chad and Lori Daybell and the Arizona mother who kidnapped her son and tried to get to Alaska because she felt he was the DS. Apparently these folks were big Gileadi and VofG fans. Because they were, Dehlin equated their nuttiness as being influenced by those books.
Yes, Dehlin brought this up. Gileadi is on the back of Visions of Glory. I didn’t read it but apparently he supports it?
Gileadi did a lecture series which compared VofG with Isaiah. I found it very interesting.

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I also found this event he will be participating in, looks exciting. I know nothing of Gileadi's works but if you think it is worth it let me know.

https://bookofmormonisaiah.com/a-day-of ... itute+Home

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RosyPosy wrote: March 24th, 2024, 3:14 pm I also found this event he will be participating in, looks exciting. I know nothing of Gileadi's works but if you think it is worth it let me know.

https://bookofmormonisaiah.com/a-day-of ... itute+Home
I do.

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madvin wrote: March 24th, 2024, 3:17 pm
RosyPosy wrote: March 24th, 2024, 3:14 pm I also found this event he will be participating in, looks exciting. I know nothing of Gileadi's works but if you think it is worth it let me know.

https://bookofmormonisaiah.com/a-day-of ... itute+Home
I do.
I absolutely do. Gileadi is trained as a Rabbi, and speaks fluent Hebrew. He teaches the tools rabbitecal teachers use to read/study/search our/their own scriptures. He says if you can't prove it don't say it. His books are so littered with scriptural backup that it took me forever to complete just one of his books whilst chasing down the references.
His books can be very heavy because he speaks/writes at a collegiate level. He can be dry in speaking, especially in his younger years. But his work is fabulous and it has taught me the tools to understanding the scriptures in ways I never did. I also enjoy Rob Kay. He is a Jewish convert who shows the hebraic form found in the BofM. He is more kabbalahistic, which I don't find in Gileadi's writings, but still useful and interesting.

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logonbump wrote: March 24th, 2024, 12:46 pm
The Red Pill wrote: March 23rd, 2024, 8:50 pm Screenshot_20240323_204338_Gmail.jpg

Screen shot from a Gileadi email.

So...yes...Romney can lie, cheat and steal...and crickets. But even a vicious rumor about Gileadi is enough to "burn" his books.

So glad for discernment in church leadership...
Threats sound like blackmail, which is a nearly certain possibility, knowing the crowd Gileadi runs with nowadays.

Not that he hasn't done some fine work in the past, he just stands to be target #1 to be discredited since his work has done so much to clarify some damning scripture and point the finger to a corrupt culture.

It's too bad, since so many testimonies of Isaiah and the Book of Mormon were awakened and enlivened by his translation and book The Last Days; and many more can be.

He toured with Thom Harrison for awhile across Utah and Idaho. He compared Isaiah's vision with Visions of Glory in a lecture series. Troubling?
Heck no! Good on him! I also enjoyed VoG. It is that man's visions, experience etc. it has nothing to do with me, or you for that matter. He says there were many things in those accounts that he didn't understand but he (Thom and Pontius) hoped would be uplifting. Apparently it offended many folks but for me it totally ignited my soul to search for knowledge and understanding.

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I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.

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HereWeGo wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:40 pm I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.
I think he is trying to play both sides. I tried twice to volunteer with his organization and spoke with 4 different people in "interviews". They all seem to be faithful Mormons who see issues in the church, but essentially don't want to rock the boat so to speak. I am a bit more outspoken than most and I guess I was not part of their culture they were looking for.

He might have more impact with the "faithful" in the church. However I think it is generally in one ear and out the other. All blessings are for future righteous people. All cursing are for the past unrighteous people. If the church was doing bad things then the leaders would say so mentality.

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HereWeGo wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:40 pm I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.
I guess you are unaware of Gileadi and his past with the church,
and with all his books - that talk about "how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy".
I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago.
Avraham WAS exed some years ago.

"Third, although I was excommunicated in 1993 from the LDS church......"
read in full here
http://avrahamgileaditestimony.blogspot.com/


for his book "The Last Days Types and Shadows from the Bible and the Book of Mormon")
because it showed that Isaiah’s Prophecy Relates to Two Time Frames Simultaneously -
Isaiah's time and our time now.
https://www.isaiahexplained.com/resourc ... of-isaiah/
and that all these warnings and condemning things in the book of Isaiah,
where speaking about us, the Lord's end-time covenant people.

Isaiah 1:4
"Israel’s ancient apostasy typifies an end-time apostasy, with salvation reserved for some who repent."

* Avraham Gileadi is a good member of the Church.
Years ago he was excommunicated for a book he wrote that brought out
the real truth of the correct translation of the book of Isaiah, showing our decline and apostasy.
Because the truth was brought to light and seen by some,
he was later reinstated with the help of one of the greatest apostles we've ever had - Neal A. Maxwell,
and all records of it were expunged.
Wonder WHY ? why would they totally wipe clean his church record like it never happened ?
Because they know that the things in his book about what Isaiah is saying about the church are true.


In Avraham Gileadi Testimony
http://avrahamgileaditestimony.blogspot.com/
he says -
"Third, although I was excommunicated in 1993 from the LDS church in a disciplinary council that began a wave of several thousand excommunications on the Wasatch Front in the 1990s, in my case—as not a single charge was true or supported by evidence—all record of it was expunged from the church’s records nearly a decade ago in a tacit admission that the church had made a mistake. In other words, as my excommunication from the church was a non-event so far as the church is concerned, it doesn’t define me as a person.
Yet there are those who take it on themselves to define me as such throughout the current Wikipedia article, attaching it even to my listed name. "

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HereWeGo wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:40 pm I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.
Another thing the "brethren" are probably not happy about is his MMP ladder of ascending and descending that he so heavily focuses on. In Isaiah Decoded he mentions ascending and descending over and over again.

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Shawn Henry wrote: March 24th, 2024, 8:16 pm
HereWeGo wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:40 pm I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.
Another thing the "brethren" are probably not happy about is his MMP ladder of ascending and descending that he so heavily focuses on. In Isaiah Decoded he mentions ascending and descending over and over again.
When you take the need for the LDS church away then they don't like that for some reason. :)

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Shawn Henry wrote: March 24th, 2024, 8:16 pm
HereWeGo wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:40 pm I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.
Another thing the "brethren" are probably not happy about is his MMP ladder of ascending and descending that he so heavily focuses on. In Isaiah Decoded he mentions ascending and descending over and over again.
True. I know he believes in MMP. At least he did about 5 years ago.

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Telavian wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:58 pm
HereWeGo wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:40 pm I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.
I think he is trying to play both sides. I tried twice to volunteer with his organization and spoke with 4 different people in "interviews". They all seem to be faithful Mormons who see issues in the church, but essentially don't want to rock the boat so to speak. I am a bit more outspoken than most and I guess I was not part of their culture they were looking for.

He might have more impact with the "faithful" in the church. However I think it is generally in one ear and out the other. All blessings are for future righteous people. All cursing are for the past unrighteous people. If the church was doing bad things then the leaders would say so mentality.
He's not trying to play both sides -
and I wonder WHY - you wouldn't want to rock the boat.

Well, if you want your message to get to the most members possible,
(which btw is probably the most important message in our time - for our Gentile LDS church)
how are you going to be able to do that - if the church is against you or you are on bad terms with them,
and then no members (who the message is for) reads his books ?

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I gave up on caring about DB the day I found Bednar's $40 100+ book on covenant path for sale in the section devoted to garments and stuff.. perfect look of priest craft. BTW only thing DB cares about is $$$, at least the poor retailer owners trying to pay bills.

BTW l love Gileadi, spirit really rings strong when I read and ponder his understandings of Isaiah's writing and context.

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Libertas Est Salus wrote: March 23rd, 2024, 9:32 pm I got that email this morning. This stuck out to me: a “well-known anti-Mormon platform’s threatening to defame the books’ author, Avraham Gileadi."

Does anyone know or have any idea what this is referring to? Who or what is the well-known anti-Mormon platform?
Doesn't make sense if they are anti-Mormon why would the church even care about what they say??? What sounds true to me is that the LDS leaders want to let the members know that Apocalyptic commentary of Isaiah is frowned upon by the church because it's all about the apostate LDS church both leaders and the members who have been rejected by God for being the true apostates of the world. The only exception is for the very , very few amongst them who are the humble followers of Christ . This very few have already left the church or have already been exed from the church or are yet to be exed or eventually will leave the church when David the Davidic leader comes to establish Zion and cry repentance..

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Telavian wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:58 pm
HereWeGo wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:40 pm I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.
I think he is trying to play both sides. I tried twice to volunteer with his organization and spoke with 4 different people in "interviews". They all seem to be faithful Mormons who see issues in the church, but essentially don't want to rock the boat so to speak. I am a bit more outspoken than most and I guess I was not part of their culture they were looking for.

He might have more impact with the "faithful" in the church. However I think it is generally in one ear and out the other. All blessings are for future righteous people. All cursing are for the past unrighteous people. If the church was doing bad things then the leaders would say so mentality.
I think that you're spot on! I have thought the same thing many times! Maybe now because he will lose a fair bit of money he might speak out about the LDS apostate church and members?? Although I have seen my share of intelligent knowledgeable people fall prey too many times to popularity, fame, fortune and notoriety! Look at the the LDS leaders from BY on!

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There was quite a discussion on a Facebook site about his extreme interest in polygamy--and maybe not just in the afterlife... Sorry, no receipts, and I can't tell you which site, because I belong to several.

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Aussie wrote: March 24th, 2024, 10:34 pm
Telavian wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:58 pm
HereWeGo wrote: March 24th, 2024, 7:40 pm I am honestly surprised that Avraham wasn't exed a few years ago. Just read what he says in the last chapter of his book, Endtime Prophecy. He points out the scriptural prophecies of how the "latter day mormon gentile church" goes into apostasy. These are Avraham's words. I wonder if they are leaving him alone because exing him would point people to that book and they would be able to read for themselves how it was clear to Isaiah that the latter day gentile church would go into apostacy. Avraham documents all of his observations with scripture references as most of you know.
I think he is trying to play both sides. I tried twice to volunteer with his organization and spoke with 4 different people in "interviews". They all seem to be faithful Mormons who see issues in the church, but essentially don't want to rock the boat so to speak. I am a bit more outspoken than most and I guess I was not part of their culture they were looking for.

He might have more impact with the "faithful" in the church. However I think it is generally in one ear and out the other. All blessings are for future righteous people. All cursing are for the past unrighteous people. If the church was doing bad things then the leaders would say so mentality.
I think that you're spot on! I have thought the same thing many times! Maybe now because he will lose a fair bit of money he might speak out about the LDS apostate church and members?? Although I have seen my share of intelligent knowledgeable people fall prey too many times to popularity, fame, fortune and notoriety! Look at the the LDS leaders from BY on!
Gileadi doesn't make a bunch of bucks. Most of his proceeds go to publishing or translating books to send to Israel.

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larsenb wrote: March 23rd, 2024, 5:13 pm What's your source for claiming DB canceled Gileadi? Of course, I haven't been in DB for well over a decade, so wouldn't know what may be old news.
Gileadi has it on his website.

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NowWhat wrote: March 24th, 2024, 11:13 pm There was quite a discussion on a Facebook site about his extreme interest in polygamy--and maybe not just in the afterlife... Sorry, no receipts, and I can't tell you which site, because I belong to several.
Polygamy seems to be a juvenile fantasy that some people can't get over. If its real I am fine with it. The scriptures though seem to strongly suggest it is not of God.
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logonbump wrote: March 24th, 2024, 12:46 pm
The Red Pill wrote: March 23rd, 2024, 8:50 pm Screenshot_20240323_204338_Gmail.jpg

Screen shot from a Gileadi email.

So...yes...Romney can lie, cheat and steal...and crickets. But even a vicious rumor about Gileadi is enough to "burn" his books.

So glad for discernment in church leadership...
Threats sound like blackmail, which is a nearly certain possibility, knowing the crowd Gileadi runs with nowadays.

Not that he hasn't done some fine work in the past, he just stands to be target #1 to be discredited since his work has done so much to clarify some damning scripture and point the finger to a corrupt culture.

It's too bad, since so many testimonies of Isaiah and the Book of Mormon were awakened and enlivened by his translation and book The Last Days; and many more can be.

He toured with Thom Harrison for awhile across Utah and Idaho. He compared Isaiah's vision with Visions of Glory in a lecture series. Troubling?
Troubling in a way, until we realise that Tom Harrison's VoG came after Gileadi's commentary on Isaiah's end-time prophecy, and was based on it. Gileadi had nothing directly to do with VoG.

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Telavian wrote: March 25th, 2024, 7:33 am
NowWhat wrote: March 24th, 2024, 11:13 pm There was quite a discussion on a Facebook site about his extreme interest in polygamy--and maybe not just in the afterlife... Sorry, no receipts, and I can't tell you which site, because I belong to several.
Polygamy seems to be a juvenile fantasy that some people can't get over. If its real I am fine with it. The scriptures though seem to strongly suggest it is not of God.
" juvenile fantasy" ? right. lol.

isn't that kinda ridiculous to say that, considering the great prophets in the Bible that lived it.
But I guess it was just a " juvenile fantasy" for them. lol

I guess I could understand if God always opposed it,
but we know that great men -Abraham - our father,
Isaac, Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon lived it.
Abraham - who the Lord said:
"In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed—"

I wonder where YOU might be without it ?
"the whole nation of Israel comes from the offspring of the four wives of Jacob."
(2 wives, 2 concubines)"
The scriptures though seem to strongly suggest it is not of God.
so that of course is completely wrong.
I guess you don't even believe in the Bible, or consider anything to be scripture,
but what came from Joseph Smith - like the D&C.
but even the D&C acknowledges it.

The Lord didn't command it.

Neither was the Lord against it.

The Bible nowhere explicitly condemns polygamy.

We first see it in Genesis 4:19. Later, Abraham, Jacob, David, and Solomon had multiple wives
or concubines.

What about all those then in the Bible that the Lord approved of.
so are you then going to throw out the Bible - as well. as the D&C ? SMH.

D&C132:1
"justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants,
as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines"

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NowWhat wrote: March 24th, 2024, 11:13 pm There was quite a discussion on a Facebook site about his extreme interest in polygamy--and maybe not just in the afterlife... Sorry, no receipts, and I can't tell you which site, because I belong to several.
This lady "mouthed" Avraham Gileadi's name when she was talking about Karen Prier's group...
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxsd3f53UACe ... NINZgLKSKV

So I looked up "Karen Prier," and I found this:
https://7elevations.com/author/karen-prier/

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I think that alone says it all.
It says enough anyway.

It just shows that he is doing the right thing.

I think at this point - many of us feel the same,
that if the church opposes us,
then we must be doing the right thing.

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RosyPosy wrote: March 24th, 2024, 3:02 pm The fact that Deseret Book is doing this makes me want to buy Gileadi's books now.
exactly,
like I was saying

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