Does God have a physical body? (poll)

[Shawn Henry]

I dug a bit more on the Trinity. The belief is almost identical to the LDS version.


Unitarianism is one God manifest as three entities.

The Nicene Creed is still a mixed bag up for interpretation.

The Book of Mormon contradicts this. It says over and over again that Jesus is the Father and the Son.

[Shawn Henry]

There’s at least 5 other primary sources of Joseph Smith teaching that God the Eternal Father has a physical tabernacle.

Scripture is primary. Your sources would be secondary. If they are proven history revisionists, they are not sources at all.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Hi, Shawn. Good to see you enjoyed your lunch break. Sorry, but not gonna chime in on all of your comments. You and others have such a different perspective than I do.

[Shawn Henry]

Did he have a body before he came down? (Meaning, in heaven was he physical?) He hadn’t been resurrected at the time. Neither had/have we.

You mean back when he was God, without beginning and without end.

Taking on a body was condescending, not ascending.

[Shawn Henry]

If Christ has a resurrected body then so does the Father.

Perhaps a rereading of the BoM will help.

26 And then Ammon said: Believest thou that there is a Great Spirit?

27 And he said, Yea.

28 And Ammon said: This is God. And Ammon said unto him again: Believest thou that this Great Spirit, who is God, created all things which are in heaven and in the earth?

[Shawn Henry]

I believe if you look at the Hebrew you’ll find God is often feminine. I know we have Father noted throughout standard scriptures, but there are scriptures that teach of Mother and Father.

Prove it!

Cut and paste them in your reply.

We already know you won't because they don't exist.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I'm kinda looking forward to the day when we get to heaven and "God" stands before us and says, "You guys know that that word is just a title, right?"

[Reluctant Watchman]

I believe if you look at the Hebrew you’ll find God is often feminine. I know we have Father noted throughout standard scriptures, but there are scriptures that teach of Mother and Father.

Prove it!

Cut and paste them in your reply.

We already know you won't because they don't exist.

Keep on, keepin' on.

[Shawn Henry]

Maybe you should ask Father if Mother exists.

The same reason we don't ask him if elephants with unicorn horns are in heaven, there is no precedent for or hint of either throughout scripture. Why would we look for things that the Lord has chosen to never even hint at?

[Bronco73idi]

Isaiah 56:3 4For thus says the LORD,
“To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,

5To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.

Yes yes, they will be higher, but key words

“I will give in My house”

29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Some have their own kingdom, house…..

2In My Father’s house are many rooms( mansions depending on the translation). If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

Talking to the Apostles here. Keep in mind all that Jesus has is given Him from the Father.

You are reading too much into this and perhaps forgetting that Christ came to make whole that which was not whole.

Maybe you are not reading enough in it. The Lord schooled the Sadducees for not reading enough into the story of the burning bush when they questioned him about the resurrection.


I have quoted Isaiah 56 in my thread here;

viewtopic.php?t=73923

[nightlight]

But yet that body could go through walls or closed doors.

I don't think the text says that.
It says he appeared in their midst. Nothing about a wall or a door.

How did he get in the locked room?

Obviously He controls matter... On account of He being God

Lol He can walk on water and move a mountain....but can't walk through a wall because He has a body of flesh? lmao

[Reluctant Watchman]

Maybe you should ask Father if Mother exists.

The same reason we don't ask him if elephants with unicorn horns are in heaven, there is no precedent for or hint of either throughout scripture. Why would we look for things that the Lord has chosen to never even hint at?

It seems as if your entire realm of possibilities is tightly packaged up in the pages of a few books. I'm sorry you feel that way. First we say that God is unimaginable, and then we become adamant that anything we bring into our belief system must fit within a few small books.

[John Tavner]

Yes yes, they will be higher, but key words

“I will give in My house”

29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Some have their own kingdom, house…..

2In My Father’s house are many rooms( mansions depending on the translation). If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?

Talking to the Apostles here. Keep in mind all that Jesus has is given Him from the Father.

You are reading too much into this and perhaps forgetting that Christ came to make whole that which was not whole.

Maybe you are not reading enough in it. The Lord schooled the Sadducees for not reading enough into the story of the burning bush when they questioned him about the resurrection.


I have quoted Isaiah 56 in my thread here;

viewtopic.php?t=73923

Your commentary has little to do with what we are talking about.. And the Sadducee's didn't believe in the resurrection.

[Shawn Henry]

I'm kinda looking forward to the day when we get to heaven and "God" stands before us and says, "You guys know that that word is just a title, right?"

Whether it is a title or not doesn't matter. What matters is that it is Jesus saying that it is him.

[Shawn Henry]

Maybe you should ask Father if Mother exists.

The same reason we don't ask him if elephants with unicorn horns are in heaven, there is no precedent for or hint of either throughout scripture. Why would we look for things that the Lord has chosen to never even hint at?

It seems as if your entire realm of possibilities is tightly packaged up in the pages of a few books. I'm sorry you feel that way. First we say that God is unimaginable, and then we become adamant that anything we bring into our belief system must fit within a few small books.

My beliefs aren't confined to scripture at all. I believe MMP for crying out loud and that is nowhere in scripture.

The difference is, I have the intellectual honesty to admit that it is not in scripture.

[Shawn Henry]

I believe if you look at the Hebrew you’ll find God is often feminine. I know we have Father noted throughout standard scriptures, but there are scriptures that teach of Mother and Father.

Prove it!

Cut and paste them in your reply.

We already know you won't because they don't exist.

Keep on, keepin' on.

Your response proves my point.

[nightlight]

Maybe you should ask Father if Mother exists.

The same reason we don't ask him if elephants with unicorn horns are in heaven, there is no precedent for or hint of either throughout scripture. Why would we look for things that the Lord has chosen to never even hint at?

There's definitely elephants with rhinoceros horns in heaven tho

[Reluctant Watchman]

Prove it!

Cut and paste them in your reply.

We already know you won't because they don't exist.

Keep on, keepin' on.

Your response proves my point.

I don't see any point in discussing this topic with you. You've made up your mind.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Maybe you should ask Father if Mother exists.

The same reason we don't ask him if elephants with unicorn horns are in heaven, there is no precedent for or hint of either throughout scripture. Why would we look for things that the Lord has chosen to never even hint at?

There's definitely elephants with rhinoceros horns in heaven tho

I think it funny how some people tend to force God into this little box. IMO if you can think it, it's in the realm of possibility. God's possibilities are limitless.

[Seed Starter]

I really enjoy this topic and back and forth of many people. The nature of God is a humbling topic for me. People on both sides of the discussion seem so confident in their conclusions and I'm usually not a fence sitter. Shouldn't I have made up my mind by now? How does this question impact my faith journey? I got more questions than answers. Carry on guys

[spiritMan]

I really enjoy this topic and back and forth of many people. The nature of God is a humbling topic for me. People on both sides of the discussion seem so confident in their conclusions and I'm usually not a fence sitter. Shouldn't I have made up my mind by now? How does this question impact my faith journey? I got more questions than answers. Carry on guys

I'm confident in my position because men much wiser, older and closer to Christ and His Apostles have thought about this stuff in way more detail then anyone here and they came to certain conclusions.

I'd rather have trust in the scriptures, their interpretation of scriptures then any johnny come lately with whatever hair brained idea he has.

[nightlight]

The same reason we don't ask him if elephants with unicorn horns are in heaven, there is no precedent for or hint of either throughout scripture. Why would we look for things that the Lord has chosen to never even hint at?

There's definitely elephants with rhinoceros horns in heaven tho

I think it funny how some people tend to force God into this little box. IMO if you can think it, it's in the realm of possibility. God's possibilities are limitless.

I'm strictly talking about horses with unicorn horns

Lol I don't think God leaves His body when He leaves the earth. I just like good animal jokes

[Robin Hood]

If it's modified maybe:
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The Nicene Creed:

I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father; And He will come again with glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

(The next part was added in like 380)
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.

Amen.
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That is the original. The RC added:
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father and the Son

That's known as the Filioque.

I quoted from the original.
The above is a more modern English version.
Look up the original and it says "substance".

Le sigh.

The original word is homousion.

Essence is the better translation... Look up the Greek, which is the original language.

You are going from Greek to Latin to English, rather than Greek to English.

Here is the Greek. Do a Google translate and tell me what it says:

Πιστεύομεν εἰς ἕνα Θεὸν Πατέρα παντοκράτορα
ποιητὴν οὐρανοῦ καὶ γῆς ὁρατῶν τε πάντων καὶ ἀοράτων·
καὶ εἰς ἕνα Κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν
τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ Θεοῦ τὸν Μονογενῆ,
τὸν ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς γεννηθέντα πρὸ πάντων τῶν αἰώνων,
Φῶς ἐκ Φωτός,
Θεὸν ἀληθινὸν ἐκ Θεοῦ ἀληθινοῦ,
γεννηθέντα οὐ ποιηθέντα,
ὁμοούσιον τῷ Πατρί,
δι' οὗ τὰ πάντα ἐγένετο·
τὸν δι' ἡμᾶς τοὺς ἀνθρώπους καὶ διὰ τὴν ἡμετέραν σωτηρίαν κατελθόντα ἐκ τῶν οὐρανῶν,
καὶ σαρκωθέντα ἐκ Πνεύματος Ἁγίου καὶ Μαρίας τῆς παρθένου,
καὶ ἐνανθρωπήσαντα,
σταυρωθέντα τε ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἐπὶ Ποντίου Πιλάτου,
καὶ παθόντα, καὶ ταφέντα,
καὶ ἀναστάντα τῇ τρίτῃ ἡμέρᾳ κατὰ τὰς γραφὰς,
καὶ ἀνελθόντα εἰς τοὺς οὐρανοὺς,
καὶ καθεζόμενον ἐν δεξιᾷ τοῦ Πατρὸς,
καὶ πάλιν ἐρχόμενον μετὰ δόξης κρῖναι ζῶντας καὶ νεκρούς,
οὗ τῆς βασιλείας οὐκ ἔσται τέλος·
καὶ εἰς τὸ Πνεῦμα τὸ Ἅγιον, τὸ Κύριον καὶ Ζωοποιόν,
τὸ ἐκ τοῦ Πατρὸς ἐκπορευόμενον,
τὸ σὺν Πατρὶ καὶ Υἱῷ συμπροσκυνούμενον καὶ συνδοξαζόμενον,
τὸ λαλῆσαν διὰ τῶν προφητῶν·
εἰς μίαν ἁγίαν καθολικὴν καὶ ἀποστολικὴν ἐκκλησίαν·
ὁμολογοῦμεν ἓν βάπτισμα εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν·
προσδοκῶμεν ἀνάστασιν νεκρῶν,
καὶ ζωὴν τοῦ μέλλοντος αἰῶνος. ἀμήν.

Deep sigh...
I have attended enough CofE services to know that the Nicene Creed recited in churches up and down the land says "substance".
I care not one jot what the Greek or the Latin says. The Nicene Creed for millions of Christians for hundreds of years said substance, and that is their understanding of the Trinity.
I was accused of believing in the Nicene Creed version of the Trinity, because I quoted the Book of Mormon.
The BoM does not say the Godhead are of the same substance, or essence for that matter.

[Robin Hood]

So... we have no individuality?

Not sure how you drew that conclusion, but yes, we do. See John 17

Oh, I've been amazed at how a seemingly understandable verse can be interpreted in many ways. For example "spirit" can have many forms. I believe we are different than the spirit matter that inhabits plants, trees, or animals. We are unique and individual, not just from a personage standpoint.

I think you may be conflating Spirit and intelligence.

[Luke]

There’s at least 5 other primary sources of Joseph Smith teaching that God the Eternal Father has a physical tabernacle.

Scripture is primary. Your sources would be secondary. If they are proven history revisionists, they are not sources at all.

D&C 93 proves this doctrine yet you find a way to write it off. You don’t accept evidence, you accept anything that you can twist to support your position, and find a way to ignore or dismiss anything plain enough that it can’t possibly bear you out.