What's in the WHITE TRAIN CARS west of Payson, UT?

[BroJones]

My wife and I drive by them often. Roughly a hundred white train cars, covered now with graffiti. A friend who lives in Springville said she had a look inside when one was opened and it contained what looked like a pre-fab prison cell...

Was she right? Does anyone know what's inside these train cars? Sitting there for months.

I'm asking about this as I was jogged by Bob Henstra's question today:

Are there fema camps? If so, where? All I can find is people talking about them. I live 30 miles South of Provo, is there a fema camp close to me? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they don't exist, but I'm wondering if they're just somebodies over active imagination, one of those "top secret" installations everybody knows about but no one has seen.

[ChelC]

There was a post about this several months back... let me try to dig it up...

[ChelC]

Hmmm... this is the post I was thinking of:
http://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... rison+fema

Are these the same or a new set?

[bobhenstra]

Steve, those (white) train cars make up what is called a repair train, when there's a train wreck somewhere, that train is pulled to the spot so repair crews can have the materials necessary to clean and fix things up. All RR repair trains are painted white.

My father worked for the railroad, when I was a kid I also saw what was inside those cars. They are very well built so breaking into them is next to impossible. The contain the tools necessary to repair a train wreck. Thats all.

Some of those people who painted the sides of that train missed their callings as artists-----

Bob

[BroJones]

I hope you're right, Bob. Probably so, but have you ever seen any of these near Payson move, or seen inside?

Interesting thread, ChelC:

Hmmm... this is the post I was thinking of:
http://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... rison+fema

Are these the same or a new set?

Not sure if these are the same cars...

How can we find out about these? Just ask?

[Col. Flagg]

Steve, these are pre-fab prison cells for the Prison in Gunnison (extra cells). There was a thread about them and the suspicious cargo a few months back when they were noticed down in the Provo train yard. There doesn't appear to be anything to worry about with them, fortunately.

[bobhenstra]

Yes, I've been inside them. Some of them (not those in Payson, those are tool cars) contain temp housing, kitchens and other "niceties" for workers, usually, Mexican workers. Other white painted trains contain replacement rails and ties. Others have heavy lifting cranes to lift upright overturned cars and locomotives. The trains are always parked on sidings where they can be accessed in a hurry, and where they can be observed by local law enforcement. If someone were to break into a car they also have internal protection devices that might be confused for something else by the uninformed.

The different RR's share repair trains, they help each other. But the specific cars you reference are filled with tools. spikes and the such. After a train wreck, the RR ptb's will determine how many of those specific tool cars are needed at the train wreck location.

Bob

[FTC]

Before finishing reading this whole thread, my first thought was that they were most likely abandoned cattle cars when whoever owned them lost most of their livestock business due to the economic downturn. Cars sitting around in no place Utah, say for example Payson, sitting around long enough to get graffitti there, they would have to be pretty darn close to being abandoned. It not like gangs in Payson, Utah have a driving need to let all the other rival gangs know whos territory Payson is. Haha! My main point being, try not to get too overly obsessed with conspiracy theories that everything is a conspiracy of "them" out to get specifically you. Take a breather, ya know. I'm sure that "they" have bigger fish to fry those mormon farmers in Payson, Utah.
After finishing reading the thread, it makes sense that they are probably train track repair vehicles. Its not that often that a train track gets damaged that they have to call in a crew to fix it up. Again, take a breather, ya know.

[bobhenstra]

Update! I was wrong! The RR cars parked in Payson are refrigerator cars. My Brother who just retired from the railroad has enlightened me. 40 years ago when I worked for the RR for a short time, all cars "then" painted white were work trains, and there were several RR's that shared work trains.

The RR's now are now combined, Southern Pacific joined with Union Pacific and the D&RGW. They're all one company now. The cars parked on the siding have refrigerator units under the overhangs at one end of the car, and are all Union Pacific refers waiting to be recycled.

These specific cars are sealed tight, are cars no longer in use and are being stored all over the country on sidings like in Payson. They are being replaced by flat cars carrying refrigerated tractor trailers that can be unloaded much quicker and delivered to the customer without having to unload them first. These specific cars were made in Canada. They were put out of service as the refer units stopped working.

They arrived in Payson with the artwork all ready on them. Earl informs me when working at the Sacramento Southern Pacific Yard, all work would stop when a refer train went through, everybody wanted to see the latest artwork. These cars were stored in Sacramento for several years, until the yard got to full of cars no longer used, they had to move them somewhere.

Latest poop!

Bob

[believer]

There is a whole thread on this called "The Fema camp question."

A lot of info was posted on it, including the following:

National Emergency Centers Establishment Act (Introduced in House)
HR 645 IH
111th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 645
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
January 22, 2009
Mr. HASTINGS of Florida introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Armed Services, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned
——————————————————————————–
A BILL
To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `National Emergency Centers Establishment Act’.
SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.
(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.
(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure–
(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;
(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;
(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and
(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.
SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.
(a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.
(b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be–
(1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;
(2) environmentally safe and shall not pose a health risk to individuals who may use the center;
(3) capable of being scaled up or down to accommodate major disaster preparedness and response drills, operations, and procedures;
(4) capable of housing existing permanent structures necessary to meet training and first responders coordination requirements during nondisaster periods;
(5) capable of hosting the infrastructure necessary to rapidly adjust to temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance needs;
(6) required to consist of a complete operations command center, including 2 state-of-the art command and control centers that will comprise a 24/7 operations watch center as follows:
(A) one of the command and control centers shall be in full ready mode; and
(B) the other shall be used daily for training; and
(7) easily accessible at all times and be able to facilitate handicapped and medical facilities, including during an emergency or major disaster.
(c) Location of National Emergency Centers- There shall be established not fewer than one national emergency center in each of the following areas:
(1) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions I, II, and III.
(2) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV.
(3) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions V and VII.
(4) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region VI.
(5) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Regions VIII and X.
(6) The area consisting of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IX.
(d) Preference for Designation of Closed Military Installations- Wherever possible, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate a closed military installation as a site for a national emergency center. If the Secretaries of Homeland Security and Defense jointly determine that there is not a sufficient number of closed military installations that meet the requirements of subsections (b) and (c), the Secretaries shall jointly designate portions of existing military installations other than closed military installations as national emergency centers.
(e) Transfer of Control of Closed Military Installations- If a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Defense shall transfer to the Secretary of Homeland Security administrative jurisdiction over such closed military installation.
(f) Cooperative Agreement for Joint Use of Existing Military Installations- If an existing military installation other than a closed military installation is designated as a national emergency center, not later than 180 days after the date of designation, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Defense shall enter into a cooperative agreement to provide for the establishment of the national emergency center.
(g) Reports-
(1) PRELIMINARY REPORT- Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–
(A) an outline of the reasons why the site was selected;
(B) an outline of the need to construct, repair, or update any existing infrastructure at the site;
(C) an outline of the need to conduct any necessary environmental clean-up at the site;
(D) an outline of preliminary plans for the transfer of control of the site from the Secretary of Defense to the Secretary of Homeland Security, if necessary under subsection (e); and
(E) an outline of preliminary plans for entering into a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f).
(2) UPDATE REPORT- Not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–
(A) an update on the information contained in the report as required by paragraph (1);
(B) an outline of the progress made toward the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);
(C) an outline of the progress made toward entering a cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and
(D) recommendations regarding any authorizations and appropriations that may be necessary to provide for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.
(3) FINAL REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, shall submit to Congress a report that contains for each designated site–
(A) finalized information detailing the transfer of control of the site, if necessary under subsection (e);
(B) the finalized cooperative agreement for the establishment of a national emergency center at the site, if necessary under subsection (f); and
(C) any additional information pertinent to the establishment of a national emergency center at the site.
(4) ADDITIONAL REPORTS- The Secretary of Homeland Security, acting jointly with the Secretary of Defense, may submit to Congress additional reports as necessary to provide updates on steps being taken to meet the requirements of this Act.
SEC. 4. LIMITATIONS ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.
This Act does not affect–
(1) the authority of the Federal Government to provide emergency or major disaster assistance or to implement any disaster mitigation and response program, including any program authorized by the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5121 et seq.); or
(2) the authority of a State or local government to respond to an emergency.
SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
There is authorized to be appropriated $180,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2009 and 2010 to carry out this Act. Such funds shall remain available until expended.
SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.
In this Act, the following definitions apply:
(1) CLOSED MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `closed military installation’ means a military installation, or portion thereof, approved for closure or realignment under the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note) that meet all, or 2 out of the 3 following requirements:
(A) Is located in close proximity to a transportation corridor.
(B) Is located in a State with a high level or threat of disaster related activities.
(C) Is located near a major metropolitan center.
(2) EMERGENCY- The term `emergency’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).
(3) MAJOR DISASTER- The term `major disaster’ has the meaning given such term in section 102 of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (42 U.S.C. 5122).
(4) MILITARY INSTALLATION- The term `military installation’ has the meaning given such term in section 2910 of the Defense Base Closure and Realignment Act of 1990 (part A of title XXIX of Public Law 101-510; 10 U.S.C. 2687 note).

[BroJones]

Has this bill passed, or what is its status?

[will]

I talked to a friend of mine Charlie who is involved in building Locamotives and goes across the Nation, He is unaware of any "prison Cars". Not saying that it is untrue, I am just looking for something a little more solid.

[bobhenstra]

Turning reefers into prison cars would be counter productive. When the doors are closed no air gets in. And if the people interned in them all die, why bother?

They'd make great temporary homes, very well insulated! Getting one to your property might be a challenge. Probably be better to just buy a used four seasons motor home.

Why would the ptb's want everybody dead, isn't their aim to get more power and money, how they gonna do that if they kill everybody off, injections etc?

I think we ought to trust the Lord and be prepared! It isn't the ptb's that's going to cleanse this earth, 3rd Nephi tells us the Lord uses "natural" methods, earthquakes, storms, volcanoes, tidal waves, asteroids, the Lord himself explained "he done it!"

We keep ourselves apprised of whats happening in the world, stay prepared and trust the Lord to do his thing!

Bob

[cayenne]

population reduction is their goal.

Check out the Georgia Guide stones or various comments by the mergovian bloodlines evil leaders. Now, many righteous have come from the same blood. It all goes back to Jesus and Satan are brothers, so will the future David and anti-christ be blood, but opposite ends.

[bobhenstra]

If" population reduction is their goal, then the Lord will see to it that those reduced will be the wicked, however it's done!

Bob

[Jason]

If" population reduction is their goal, then the Lord will see to it that those reduced will be the wicked, however it's done!

Or he will allow them their agency to conduct such an atrocity in order to hold them accountable in judgment such as those burned before Alma and Amulek.

[buffalo_girl]

The RR's now are now combined, Southern Pacific joined with Union Pacific and the D&RGW. They're all one company now. The cars parked on the siding have refrigerator units under the overhangs at one end of the car, and are all Union Pacific refers waiting to be recycled.

These specific cars are sealed tight, are cars no longer in use and are being stored all over the country on sidings like in Payson. They are being replaced by flat cars carrying refrigerated tractor trailers that can be unloaded much quicker and delivered to the customer without having to unload them first. These specific cars were made in Canada. They were put out of service as the refer units stopped working.

We had a retired USAF doctor at our local medical clinic for awhile three years ago. Small rural communities get all sorts of doctors who stay for short periods of time. He had some of the earmark characteristics of an insider whose brain had been reconfigured before allowing him out of the cage. He seemed to think a pandemic would occur across this nation.

He had a tendency to fixate on certain topics even with a patient in the examination room. The one time I saw him for a peristent infection he went on and on about where ALL the bodies could be stored in the event of a mass die-off from the 'avian' flu pandemic.

Mind you, I was quite sick and in need of treatment. After listening to him for 45 minutes, I said, "You don't need to worry if it happens during the winter. You can just stack the bodies outside and cover them with a tarp."

He wrote a perscription for a powerful antibiotic after commenting that the infection I had was an unusual one.

[bobhenstra]

Has anyone but me noticed that all the white reefers have been replaced with flatbed RR cars?

Bob

[highfive]

my husband and I noticed it several weeks ago.

[Toto]

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