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If Joseph Smith was here he'd say 'they've got more book learning than good sense'.Subcomandante wrote: ↑December 8th, 2023, 4:57 amThere was a Trib article (hidden behind a paywall) that alleged these things.marc wrote: ↑December 8th, 2023, 4:28 amApparently? Please elaborate.Subcomandante wrote: ↑December 7th, 2023, 9:05 pm
Apaprently there are more than a few LDS scholars that do NOT want this movie to do well.
Another reason why the Church doesn't want to associate themselves with the project is quite simple: They don't want to give any oxygen to the fact that this man is listed as a speaker at the FIRM Book of Mormon conferences. The leadership views these people as fringe. And there are quite a few crazies in there that serious scholars would not even consider looking at.
I doubt it could be the worst movie ever. These people had a lot of good things to say about it. I might go see it..investigator wrote: ↑December 8th, 2023, 9:18 am Here is a review from Facebook...Eli Stagg wrote:... Worst movie ever! ....
Don't waste your money.
I can't see reading the book every day so tragic and horrible it is, knowing how it ends; as prophetic as it is, the narrative constantly reminds the reader what is at stake for the people in the story and for the latter-day reader as well.Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑December 8th, 2023, 1:43 pmThe BoM in reality would cause PTSD for most people. The depravity toward the end is beyond horrific.marc wrote: ↑December 8th, 2023, 1:40 pmI don't know...I've read the LOTR and I've watched the extended edition movie version. I like the movie better. With the book, I can use my imagination, yes, but the movie's cinematography, stunning film locations, and especially the 20+ soundtrack themes with over a dozen hours worth of music composed by Howard Shore just does it for me. I know we couldn't have the movie without the book, but the movie trilogy just brings it all to life for me.
If Peter Jackson or Mel Gibson produced a Book of Mormon movie series, that would be truly epic!!
While I get the idea that video can express a more enriching experience for most people, I wouldn't limit the capacity of our minds to ask God what it was like to live during those times. The life review playback version is gonna be pretty epic, and heartbreaking at the same time. Not only will you get the perspective of a single participant, but all of them.
It sounds better than the movie the church paid $20 million for and then cancelled.p8riot wrote: ↑December 9th, 2023, 8:32 pm I just saw The Oath movie. Don't waste your time and money. I can see why the Church didn't want to endorse it- a made up story about Moroni, poorly written slow story line, mediocre cinematography, and mediocre acting. To me it seems like this was a vanity project of the writer/producer/actor so he could run around shirtless and film overly long nature panning sequences. He really oversold this movie as a life-changing event. Yes, hopefully some folks will find the BoM and change their lives because of it but the movie itself was not inspiring.
From the youtube review- "Very accurate about the Book of Mormon!" UHHHHHH, NO! It's a made up story about Moroni falling in love with a Lamanite woman. I must have missed that chapter.creator wrote: ↑December 9th, 2023, 8:10 pmI doubt it could be the worst movie ever. These people had a lot of good things to say about it. I might go see it..investigator wrote: ↑December 8th, 2023, 9:18 am Here is a review from Facebook...Eli Stagg wrote:... Worst movie ever! ....
Don't waste your money.
I'll just say this - I did not expect it to be a love story, but that is what it is. It's a light blend of Moroni and Maximus Decimus Meridius from Gladiator. I loved the musical score, but I struggled with the pacing. I appreciate what Darin was trying to do with such a limited budget and I understood what he was going for with the plates and a parchment pictorial as plot devices. There was no real conflict from which Moroni could grow as a fictionalized character, though, and while he was the story's protagonist, the story really ends up actually being about Bathsheba's growth as a Lamanite woman who discovers faith and freedom. There were one or two scenes that pulled me out of the story and I was left with more questions than answers.
Yes, thanks- I forgot to mention that there are a couple scenes that are pretty direct ripoffs of Gladiator. I think the movie would have been better served if they just wrote a full fictionalized story based on the BoM themes without trying to intertwine real BoM figures and history.marc wrote: ↑December 9th, 2023, 10:32 pmI'll just say this - I did not expect it to be a love story, but that is what it is. It's a light blend of Moroni and Maximus Decimus Meridius from Gladiator. I loved the musical score, but I struggled with the pacing. I appreciate what Darin was trying to do with such a limited budget and I understood what he was going for with the plates and a parchment pictorial as plot devices. There was no real conflict from which Moroni could grow as a fictionalized character, though, and while he was the story's protagonist, the story really ends up actually being about Bathsheba's growth as a Lamanite woman who discovers faith and freedom. There were one or two scenes that pulled me out of the story and I was left with more questions than answers.
It didn't bother me that actual BoM figures were used (Moroni and Aaron), but I would have gone in a much different direction. I'd have to give this much more thought to really flesh out a proper narrative that would have left the audience awe inspired instead of perplexed by an unlikely love story. I just left the theater wondering...p8riot wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 7:35 amYes, thanks- I forgot to mention that there are a couple scenes that are pretty direct ripoffs of Gladiator. I think the movie would have been better served if they just wrote a full fictionalized story based on the BoM themes without trying to intertwine real BoM figures and history.
Why does Captain Moroni have no business being a guardian angel?marc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 8:38 amIt didn't bother me that actual BoM figures were used (Moroni and Aaron), but I would have gone in a much different direction. I'd have to give this much more thought to really flesh out a proper narrative that would have left the audience awe inspired instead of perplexed by an unlikely love story. I just left the theater wondering...p8riot wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 7:35 amYes, thanks- I forgot to mention that there are a couple scenes that are pretty direct ripoffs of Gladiator. I think the movie would have been better served if they just wrote a full fictionalized story based on the BoM themes without trying to intertwine real BoM figures and history.
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...why Moroni didn't see his first wife and children after he died to be reunited with them , but instead he saw Bathsheba and his unborn "older" son. The entire story completely relegates his first marriage/family into a weird afterthought. This completely ruined the story for me because we are supposed to become emotionally attached to Bathsheba instead.Spoiler
There was also no explanation about the spirit warrior who appeared sporadically throughout the story so we have to wonder if it was Captain Moroni who has no business being a guardian angel. Maybe it was Nephi who was watching over the "plates of Nephi" but we get nothing but more questions. I liked the Egyptian-like symbol on the armor, but we get no explanation about it, yet it seemed important enough to "flash" for us to notice that it is something significant. We just get a flashback to a time where there is a great warrior in front of an army, which of course, has to be Captain Moroni, but again, no real explanation. There is no actor credited for portraying the spirit warrior so we just have to guess what that was all about.Spoiler
The "miscarriage" scene was off-putting and just weird. I have other complaints, but this is enough. I hope Darin is able to include a good team of writers/consultants for his future projects. He has so much potential and I truly wish him the best.
In the movie, one can only assume it's Captain Moroni. It begs the question: Why? No answer is given. I would think if a spirit appeared to Moroni and also to Bathsheba, due to his concern about the safety and stewardship of the plates, it would be Nephi as they were the plates of Nephi. But these scenes were really pointless. It then begs the question, what business did Captain Moroni have appearing to Moroni and Bathsheba? The story gives no answer nor do these tiny scenes do anything to move the story forward. You have to just guess the motive.nightlight wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 10:13 amWhy does Captain Moroni have no business being a guardian angel?marc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 8:38 amIt didn't bother me that actual BoM figures were used (Moroni and Aaron), but I would have gone in a much different direction. I'd have to give this much more thought to really flesh out a proper narrative that would have left the audience awe inspired instead of perplexed by an unlikely love story. I just left the theater wondering...p8riot wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 7:35 amYes, thanks- I forgot to mention that there are a couple scenes that are pretty direct ripoffs of Gladiator. I think the movie would have been better served if they just wrote a full fictionalized story based on the BoM themes without trying to intertwine real BoM figures and history.
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...why Moroni didn't see his first wife and children after he died to be reunited with them , but instead he saw Bathsheba and his unborn "older" son. The entire story completely relegates his first marriage/family into a weird afterthought. This completely ruined the story for me because we are supposed to become emotionally attached to Bathsheba instead.Spoiler
There was also no explanation about the spirit warrior who appeared sporadically throughout the story so we have to wonder if it was Captain Moroni who has no business being a guardian angel. Maybe it was Nephi who was watching over the "plates of Nephi" but we get nothing but more questions. I liked the Egyptian-like symbol on the armor, but we get no explanation about it, yet it seemed important enough to "flash" for us to notice that it is something significant. We just get a flashback to a time where there is a great warrior in front of an army, which of course, has to be Captain Moroni, but again, no real explanation. There is no actor credited for portraying the spirit warrior so we just have to guess what that was all about.Spoiler
The "miscarriage" scene was off-putting and just weird. I have other complaints, but this is enough. I hope Darin is able to include a good team of writers/consultants for his future projects. He has so much potential and I truly wish him the best.
Do they mention Jesus Christ in the movie?marc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 11:20 amIn the movie, one can only assume it's Captain Moroni. It begs the question: Why? No answer is given. I would think if a spirit appeared to Moroni and also to Bathsheba, due to his concern about the safety and stewardship of the plates, it would be Nephi as they were the plates of Nephi. But these scenes were really pointless. It then begs the question, what business did Captain Moroni have appearing to Moroni and Bathsheba? The story gives no answer nor do these tiny scenes do anything to move the story forward. You have to just guess the motive.nightlight wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 10:13 amWhy does Captain Moroni have no business being a guardian angel?marc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 8:38 am
It didn't bother me that actual BoM figures were used (Moroni and Aaron), but I would have gone in a much different direction. I'd have to give this much more thought to really flesh out a proper narrative that would have left the audience awe inspired instead of perplexed by an unlikely love story. I just left the theater wondering...
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...why Moroni didn't see his first wife and children after he died to be reunited with them , but instead he saw Bathsheba and his unborn "older" son. The entire story completely relegates his first marriage/family into a weird afterthought. This completely ruined the story for me because we are supposed to become emotionally attached to Bathsheba instead.Spoiler
There was also no explanation about the spirit warrior who appeared sporadically throughout the story so we have to wonder if it was Captain Moroni who has no business being a guardian angel. Maybe it was Nephi who was watching over the "plates of Nephi" but we get nothing but more questions. I liked the Egyptian-like symbol on the armor, but we get no explanation about it, yet it seemed important enough to "flash" for us to notice that it is something significant. We just get a flashback to a time where there is a great warrior in front of an army, which of course, has to be Captain Moroni, but again, no real explanation. There is no actor credited for portraying the spirit warrior so we just have to guess what that was all about.Spoiler
The "miscarriage" scene was off-putting and just weird. I have other complaints, but this is enough. I hope Darin is able to include a good team of writers/consultants for his future projects. He has so much potential and I truly wish him the best.
Well, before the opening scene, there was a written quote displayed on the screen, but I don't remember seeing an attribution, though I do seem to recall that it was Jesus Christ who declared it somewhere, probably in scripture. In one of the later scenes when Bathsheba learned to read the language of the Nephites, Moroni allowed her to read the entire set of plates, but not touch it, so he turned the leafs for her. At one point, she exclaimed something to the effect, and I'm paraphrasing, "He came to them!" Meaning that Jesus had visited their recent ancestors at Bountiful. But to my recollection, there was no direct reference to Jesus Christ. I'm sure I will watch it again and buy the DVD because I really want to try and understand what Darin was trying to convey. I felt more directed to focus on a love story than an oath which was introduced as a quote before the opening scene. Or maybe it was really about another oath related to Captain Moroni. It's all kind of hazy right now.nightlight wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 11:51 amDo they mention Jesus Christ in the movie?marc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 11:20 amIn the movie, one can only assume it's Captain Moroni. It begs the question: Why? No answer is given. I would think if a spirit appeared to Moroni and also to Bathsheba, due to his concern about the safety and stewardship of the plates, it would be Nephi as they were the plates of Nephi. But these scenes were really pointless. It then begs the question, what business did Captain Moroni have appearing to Moroni and Bathsheba? The story gives no answer nor do these tiny scenes do anything to move the story forward. You have to just guess the motive.nightlight wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 10:13 am
Why does Captain Moroni have no business being a guardian angel?
I'm not so sure God or the Book of Mormon prophets would appreciate that lolmarc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 12:04 pmWell, before the opening scene, there was a written quote displayed on the screen, but I don't remember seeing an attribution, though I do seem to recall that it was Jesus Christ who declared it somewhere, probably in scripture. In one of the later scenes when Bathsheba learned to read the language of the Nephites, Moroni allowed her to read the entire set of plates, but not touch it, so he turned the leafs for her. At one point, she exclaimed something to the effect, and I'm paraphrasing, "He came to them!" Meaning that Jesus had visited their recent ancestors at Bountiful. But to my recollection, there was no direct reference to Jesus Christ. I'm sure I will watch it again and buy the DVD because I really want to try and understand what Darin was trying to convey. I felt more directed to focus on a love story than an oath which was introduced as a quote before the opening scene. Or maybe it was really about another oath related to Captain Moroni. It's all kind of hazy right now.nightlight wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 11:51 amDo they mention Jesus Christ in the movie?marc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2023, 11:20 am
In the movie, one can only assume it's Captain Moroni. It begs the question: Why? No answer is given. I would think if a spirit appeared to Moroni and also to Bathsheba, due to his concern about the safety and stewardship of the plates, it would be Nephi as they were the plates of Nephi. But these scenes were really pointless. It then begs the question, what business did Captain Moroni have appearing to Moroni and Bathsheba? The story gives no answer nor do these tiny scenes do anything to move the story forward. You have to just guess the motive.
It makes me really appreciate Dallas Jenkins who understands his own limitations enough to collaborate with other talented and knowledgeable people in order to produce the awe inspiring vision that we're getting with The Chosen which started out as a very small Christmas production for his church. It was not pretentious and it functioned within its limitations and simply grew from there. I think Darin's company has a ton of potential as long as he focuses on glorifying God alone and not let his own ego (or his bulging biceps) get in the way. I don't know if the spirit warrior in the movie could act or not, but he might have made a better Moroni. My wife wasn't impressed with Darin's acting, but I give him a pass because it would take more money to hire someone who could pull off such a protagonist as Moroni. These are my honest feelings without desiring to put him down. He's a Facebook friend of mine with whom I've exchanged emails in the past and so I genuinely want to see him do very well. I love The Chosen for its central theme and mission to get people to open up their Bibles and find Jesus Christ. I hope Darin's future projects do the same - inspire people to find Jesus Christ through the Book of Mormon. All other themes (liberty, love, etc) ought to function as plot devices in order to direct or redirect the minds of the audience back to their Savior.
I read some reviews on The Oath on imdb. No plot. Boring. Bad acting. That seemed to be the consensus. I would never watch it because of the reviews that mentioncreator wrote: ↑December 9th, 2023, 8:10 pmI doubt it could be the worst movie ever. These people had a lot of good things to say about it. I might go see it..investigator wrote: ↑December 8th, 2023, 9:18 am Here is a review from Facebook...Eli Stagg wrote:... Worst movie ever! ....
Don't waste your money.
That's pretty much the consensus on imdb reviews. One review compared it to The Room (which I have heard about, and it's incredibly famous for the fact that it's so bad) and another movie I'd never heard of.p8riot wrote: ↑December 9th, 2023, 8:32 pm I just saw The Oath movie. Don't waste your time and money. I can see why the Church didn't want to endorse it- a made up story about Moroni, poorly written slow story line, mediocre cinematography, and mediocre acting. To me it seems like this was a vanity project of the writer/producer/actor so he could run around shirtless and film overly long nature panning sequences. He really oversold this movie as a life-changing event. Yes, hopefully some folks will find the BoM and change their lives because of it but the movie itself was not that inspiring.
Is it the worst movie ever? No. Is it worth the effort and money to go see it in the theater? No.
It's not as bad as The Room.Silver Pie wrote: ↑December 12th, 2023, 7:59 pmThat's pretty much the consensus on imdb reviews. One review compared it to The Room (which I have heard about, and it's incredibly famous for the fact that it's so bad) and another movie I'd never heard of.p8riot wrote: ↑December 9th, 2023, 8:32 pm I just saw The Oath movie. Don't waste your time and money. I can see why the Church didn't want to endorse it- a made up story about Moroni, poorly written slow story line, mediocre cinematography, and mediocre acting. To me it seems like this was a vanity project of the writer/producer/actor so he could run around shirtless and film overly long nature panning sequences. He really oversold this movie as a life-changing event. Yes, hopefully some folks will find the BoM and change their lives because of it but the movie itself was not that inspiring.
Is it the worst movie ever? No. Is it worth the effort and money to go see it in the theater? No.