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Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 4:19 pm
by PeacefulProtests
Was just asked to teach Sunday school in my branch. The thing is, about 95% of them are fast asleep, on their 5th or 6th jab and think all is well in Zion and in the world. Here's the thing....Over the past few years my viewpoints have changed....A LOT, on pretty much everything.

My question is how do I teach these people? If I express my viewpoints I know I am going to be offending certain people in the group, on the other hand if I don't then I will feel like I'm holding back and having to bite my tongue will feel awful

What do I do? What would you do in this situation?. Still not sure if I am even going to accept this just chewing on it at the moment

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 5:28 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
PeacefulProtests wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 4:19 pm Was just asked to teach Sunday school in my branch. The thing is, about 95% of them are fast asleep, on their 5th or 6th jab and think all is well in Zion and in the world. Here's the thing....Over the past few years my viewpoints have changed....A LOT, on pretty much everything.

My question is how do I teach these people? If I express my viewpoints I know I am going to be offending certain people in the group, on the other hand if I don't then I will feel like I'm holding back and having to bite my tongue will feel awful

What do I do? What would you do in this situation?. Still not sure if I am even going to accept this just chewing on it at the moment
Teach them about God’s love.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 6:20 pm
by HeberC
Teach the Doctrine of Christ. If you want to introduce opinion, use Joseph Smith"s opinion. Then, if they want to be offended, they can make themselves feel silly.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 6:23 pm
by JohnnyL
Teach the doctrine.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 7:11 pm
by ParticleMan
Is your calling to teach doctrine, testify of truth, and facilitate discussion, or to express your secular views?

Can you foster an environment where people feel comfortable sharing their views? If so, then do share yours in humility, without being personally invested or emotionally charged.

Then the Spirit, the true teacher, can teach, if you're lucky, how to wisely (or more wisely) apply doctrine.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 7:19 pm
by InfoWarrior82
ParticleMan wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 7:11 pm Is your calling to teach doctrine, testify of truth, and facilitate discussion, or to express your secular views?

Can you foster an environment where people feel comfortable sharing their views? If so, then do share yours in humility, without being personally invested or emotionally charged.

Then the Spirit, the true teacher, can teach, if you're lucky, how to wisely (or more wisely) apply doctrine.
The problem may be that what the church has failed to do (warn of secret combinations) is now viewed as being "secular", and won't be allowed.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 9:22 pm
by JohnnyL
Teach that stuff slowly, lest they wake up in a rage and blame you for throwing ice water in their face/ doing what they needed, lol.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 3rd, 2023, 9:41 pm
by Rumpelstiltskin
PeacefulProtests wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 4:19 pm Was just asked to teach Sunday school in my branch. The thing is, about 95% of them are fast asleep, on their 5th or 6th jab and think all is well in Zion and in the world. Here's the thing....Over the past few years my viewpoints have changed....A LOT, on pretty much everything.

My question is how do I teach these people? If I express my viewpoints I know I am going to be offending certain people in the group, on the other hand if I don't then I will feel like I'm holding back and having to bite my tongue will feel awful

What do I do? What would you do in this situation?. Still not sure if I am even going to accept this just chewing on it at the moment
Offend away!

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 4:18 am
by Niemand
I don't think you can confront them directly about the jabs. That will make them too defensive. However you can bring up principles like how the church is supposed to support freedom of religion and how this has been impinged upon, and how free agency is an essential part of the Plan of Salvation. You can also say that the Word of Wisdom is about trying not to introduce contaminants into your body and that we should try not to do so. Mention how bad medical advice has been prevalent in the past – Thalidomide is a good example.

Good luck. I don't think most people pay attention during Sunday School, it's only a handful of people. I don't attend priesthood these days as regurgitated conference talks are not my thing.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 4:21 am
by Dave62
Teach only from the primary source; the scriptures.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 6:07 am
by JK4Woods
Use the scriptures and teach every vignette about good vs evil thru all of mankind history.

Most people are stupidly complacent because they have forgotten opposition in all things.

Ask a series of questions and allow comments of things that are evil and if it’s supposed to be tolerated…

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 8:14 am
by PeacefulProtests
InfoWarrior82 wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 7:19 pm
ParticleMan wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 7:11 pm Is your calling to teach doctrine, testify of truth, and facilitate discussion, or to express your secular views?

Can you foster an environment where people feel comfortable sharing their views? If so, then do share yours in humility, without being personally invested or emotionally charged.

Then the Spirit, the true teacher, can teach, if you're lucky, how to wisely (or more wisely) apply doctrine.
The problem may be that what the church has failed to do (warn of secret combinations) is now viewed as being "secular", and won't be allowed.
Which is strange because the Book of Mormon warns of secret combination so many times over and over and was supposedly written for our day. And here we are in our day and we aren't allowed to talk about it.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 10:26 am
by SJR3t2
PeacefulProtests wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 4:19 pm Was just asked to teach Sunday school in my branch. The thing is, about 95% of them are fast asleep, on their 5th or 6th jab and think all is well in Zion and in the world. Here's the thing....Over the past few years my viewpoints have changed....A LOT, on pretty much everything.

My question is how do I teach these people? If I express my viewpoints I know I am going to be offending certain people in the group, on the other hand if I don't then I will feel like I'm holding back and having to bite my tongue will feel awful

What do I do? What would you do in this situation?. Still not sure if I am even going to accept this just chewing on it at the moment
Teach them from the scriptures to wake them up. What true believer doesn't want an opportunity to wake people up?

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 10:32 am
by JuneBug12000
I teach Sunday school and had similar concerns.

In April the Lord told me very clearly to teach His words from the scriptures and to take up my cross.

He said if they were angry at His words it was not me, but Him they were angry with.

It is a bit scary, and I get some pushback, but I am careful to stay in the scriptures and I kind of ignore the manual except for knowing what scriptures we are using.

I have had some better experiences recently and people are starting to wake up. I have taught for 2 years. OT and NT.

One unfortunate problem is we have 3 Sunday school teacher and one is bad, one is lukewarm and one is me. I feel like they undo a lot of my work by focusing on modern untruths instead of the scriptures.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 12:42 pm
by Original_Intent
Encourage them to ask questions.
Nothing out of bounds.
You may not have all of the answers, but you will try to find answers and help them find answers, and ask the class to commit to helping find answers.
You have got to be so real and so humble and clear that you don't know everything, but that you want to help in any way that you can.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 10:22 pm
by Fred
Open with Drunkards of Ephraim. Follow with several passages from Isaiah. Then ask "Who do you believe Jesus and the scriptures or the Q15?" Then say "But seriously..." as if you had only been joking. We are in the latter days, the actual time for which the scriptures were written, so "When was the last time you heard a last days related scripture in church?" This century? Isn't it wonderful that God gave us a written account of what we need today? So as not to be confused by the covid hoax? "Now, back to the Drunkards of Ephraim..."

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 4th, 2023, 10:25 pm
This gets me thinking about an EQ lesson from almost 10 years ago in a different ward I once lived in.

The EQ President/teacher taught a lesson about mothers and women and how we should respect them. And that was all well and good, until it devolved in to a woke, virtue signalling rant from most of the "men" about how we "shouldn't be sterotypes" and how their wives were all "strong and independent". Only one guy had the courage at that time to speak up about how gender roles were being twisted and how the role of the father was under attack by society at large. Sadly that man wasn't me, but at the time the woke poison was still ramping up but it was an eye opener for me.

When I later taught EQ some years later I saw it as an opportunity to teach against that stuff, and teach against the current state of society. But I did it in a somewhat covert way. I always prefraced things by saying I wasn't there to teach politics and church wasn't the place to do that, which is true.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 5th, 2023, 5:05 am
by ransomme
I have this problem all the time, as I have the opportunity to teach EQ and Sunday School regularly and Seminary once a week.

My advice is to teach the scriptures, period. I may quote Joseph but no one else. I don't advertise when I am teaching correct principles that conflict with precepts from the brethren. It goes over well because everything is based on scripture and conveyed via the Spirit.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 5th, 2023, 8:22 am
by elbur
ransomme wrote: December 5th, 2023, 5:05 am I have this problem all the time, as I have the opportunity to teach EQ and Sunday School regularly and Seminary once a week.

My advice is to teach the scriptures, period. I may quote Joseph but no one else. I don't advertise when I am teaching correct principles that conflict with precepts from the brethren. It goes over well because everything is based on scripture and conveyed via the Spirit.
+1

I like this way of describing it. I've never been good at the hard sell. But soft sells, I've pulled those off from time to time (and I'm describing your approach as a soft sell: draw a subtle and appealing contrast and perhaps some of the asleep will notice and wake up eventually).

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 5th, 2023, 9:56 am
by GladiusManus
There's not much you can do. I had taught Elder's Quorum to the same for two years. Each time I'd do my due diligence and piece together lessons, the message fell on deaf ears. I gave them handouts connecting as many of the footnotes as possible from the standard works so that they'd have the resources available to grasp the big picture. But all of these efforts were in vain. My last and final lesson, before asking to be released, resulted in insults be hurled and various quorum members laughing openly at me. I realized then that it was time to move on.

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 5th, 2023, 11:00 am
by ransomme
GladiusManus wrote: December 5th, 2023, 9:56 am There's not much you can do. I had taught Elder's Quorum to the same for two years. Each time I'd do my due diligence and piece together lessons, the message fell on deaf ears. I gave them handouts connecting as many of the footnotes as possible from the standard works so that they'd have the resources available to grasp the big picture. But all of these efforts were in vain. My last and final lesson, before asking to be released, resulted in insults be hurled and various quorum members laughing openly at me. I realized then that it was time to move on.
Wow, what did you say? :D

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 5th, 2023, 4:06 pm
by hideki
This is an automatic translation.

Teachers can be said to be called to:
1. In teaching gospel principles,
2. While using the standard scriptures,
3. By the power of the Holy Spirit
4. Always apply the teachings to individual needs,
5. I testify that the teachings are true.

“Perhaps the greatest temptation of the teacher struggling to maintain the attention of [a] class is the use of the sensational story. There are a number of these, of very questionable origin, continually being circulated throughout the Church. ...
These are not teaching tools: stability and testimony are not built on sensational stories.
Direction for us from the Prophet is dispensed through proper priesthood channels.
Careful attention should be paid to the messages of the General Authorities in stake and general conferences, and Church publications should be read regularly.
Meaningful attention will be accorded the teacher who establishes the reputation of being orthodox and sound in doctrine” (Instructor, Sept. 1969, 334–35).

Elder Boyd K. Packer said.
“When we teach moral and spiritual values, we are teaching things that are intangible. Perhaps no teaching is so difficult to accomplish, nor so rewarding when successfully done. There are techniques to employ and tools to use.
There are things that teachers can do to prepare themselves and their lessons so that their students . . . can be taught, and their testimonies can be conveyed from one to another” (Teach Ye Diligently, 62).

Emphasize that methods are important but that they should not be the focus of the lessons we teach.
They are tools to help those we teach focus on the saving doctrines of the gospel and apply them in their lives.

The Spirit is the real teacher and the true source of conversion.
Powerful gospel teaching requires not just preparing a lesson but preparing yourself spiritually well before you begin to teach.
If you are spiritually prepared, you will be better able to hear and follow the guidance of the Spirit as you teach.
The way to invite the Holy Ghost into your teaching is to invite Him into your life.

Elder David A. Bednar counseled.
“Our intent ought not to be ‘What do I tell them?’
Instead, the questions to ask ourselves are ‘What can I invite them to do? What inspired questions can I ask that, if they are willing to respond, will begin to invite the Holy Ghost into their lives?’” (evening with a General Authority, Feb. 7, 2020, broadcasts.ChurchofJesusChrist.org).

You are not teacher Holy Ghost is the teacher.
More important for investigator to learn than for you to teach.

As a teacher, one of your roles is to help your students accept the responsibility of learning the gospel on their own.
That is, to motivate them to study, understand, and live according to the gospel.
In the church, each person is responsible for acquiring knowledge of the truth through his or her own efforts.
Consider how you can help your students accept and fulfill this responsibility.
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You first need to learn.
Understand what doctrine is.
Doctrine always answers question.
The Answer is Always The Doctrine.

A doctrine is a truth — a truth of salvation revealed by a loving Heavenly Father.
Doctrines are eternal — meaning they do not change— and pertain to our eternal progression.
They are foundational, fundamental, and comprehensive.

Doctrines answer the question “Why?”
The doctrine of the Plan of Salvation addresses why are we are here on earth.
The Atonement of Jesus Christ tells us why Jesus Christ is our mediator with the Father.

God is the source of doctrine.
It is not devised or developed by man. It is based on eternal truth and is revealed by God to man.
It can be properly understood only by revelation through the Spirit of God (1 Cor. 2:11-14; Jacob 4:8).

Some of the current confusion surrounding Latter-day Saint doctrine may derive from how it has been variously defined over time, which is primarily a question of semantics.
Commonly today, many Latter-day Saints define the word doctrine as those things which are eternal or unchanging gospel truths.
However, the term was much more loosely applied by past prophets to also include other types of non-eternal, authoritative teachings.

There are teachings that could be termed “core doctrines” or “eternal doctrines.”
In the words of Elder David A. Bednar, these are “gospel doctrines [that] are eternal, do not change, and pertain to the eternal progression and exaltation of Heavenly Father’s sons and daughters.”
Elder B. H. Roberts of the Seventy said that “the great framework of the plan of salvation” has “certain truths that are not affected by ever-changing circumstances; truths which are always the same, no matter how often they may be revealed; truths which are elementary, permanent, fixed; from which there must not be, and cannot be, any departure without condemnation.”
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Elder David A. Bednar draws a distinction between three terms: doctrine, principles, and applications.

・Doctrines: eternal truths revealed by God.
・Principles: doctrinally based guidelines for the exercise of agency.
・Applications: actions we take in response to doctrines and principles.

A principle is a doctrinally based guideline for the righteous exercise of moral agency.
Principles always are based upon doctrines.

Principles tell us, “What?” Faith and repentance, for example, tell us what process we go through to access the Atonement of Jesus Christ.
They are not specific actions, but are guidelines for the actions.

An application is the actual behavior, step, practice, or procedure by which gospel doctrines and principles are enacted.
Applications help us understand, “How?” How do we exercise faith? How do we repent of my sins?

Elder Bednar said.
“Our tendency as members of the Church is to focus on applications.
But as we learn to ask ourselves, ‘What doctrines and principles, if understood, would help with this challenge?’
We come to realize that the answers always are in the doctrines and principles of the gospel”

“In your life as a member of the Church up until now, when learning the gospel and living within the gospel, have you focused first on doctrine and principles, or on application? ”...
...Everyone has been concentrating on the application.
Somehow, I don't know why, but when we try to improve things, when we try to make lives better, and when we try to help the church move forward on its path, we naturally gravitate toward application. It's like I'm getting lost. ……
Many men in the church are unable to base their answers on doctrine or cite scripture that explains the answer to this question.
This is the reason why home teaching doesn't work.” (Missionary Training Center, Provo, Utah, November 9, 2010)

Re: Teaching sunday school to the asleep

Posted: December 5th, 2023, 4:29 pm
by marc
PeacefulProtests wrote: December 3rd, 2023, 4:19 pm Was just asked to teach Sunday school in my branch. The thing is, about 95% of them are fast asleep, on their 5th or 6th jab and think all is well in Zion and in the world. Here's the thing....Over the past few years my viewpoints have changed....A LOT, on pretty much everything.

My question is how do I teach these people? If I express my viewpoints I know I am going to be offending certain people in the group, on the other hand if I don't then I will feel like I'm holding back and having to bite my tongue will feel awful

What do I do? What would you do in this situation?. Still not sure if I am even going to accept this just chewing on it at the moment
You're in luck. You get to teach the Book of Mormon next year. It is chock full of uncomfortable truth bombs and they're all pointed squarely at us. Don't express "viewpoints." Teach the truth boldly and by the Spirit! Biggest truth bombs are in the Isaiah chapters. Lots to glean from the war chapters and secret combinations among the government and the church such as secret murders. Then there's the Zion chapter in 4 Nephi 1, and the church chapter in Mormon chapter 8! You can even quote a general authority and read aloud:

"He writes first to the members of the Church and then to those who have not embraced the gospel of Jesus Christ. Moroni’s last words to the members of the Church are written as a voice of warning. He writes as one who sees the history of his people repeating itself in the future."

34 Behold, the Lord hath shown unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come, at that day when these things shall come forth among you.

35 Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing.

36 And I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts; and there are none save a few only who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquities; and your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts.

37 For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted.

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... s?lang=eng

Teach them how to remove the condemnation they are under (D&C 84). So many bombs to drop and wake them up.