I was very convicted by this - may be helpful to others as well - Rob Smith

[Original_Intent]

I found this video from Rob very personally applicable this morning.

[Original_Intent]

I found this video from Rob very personally applicable this morning. edit: I am NOT a racist!

[fractal_light_harvest]

I found this video from Rob very personally applicable this morning.

This is pretty solid point. I do think this happens at times.

[SJR3t2]

I found this video from Rob very personally applicable this morning.

Is he living polygamy as he tries to convince people it's true?

JS only fought against polygamy
1835 D&C section 101, last edition while Joseph Smith was alive. The only major church that removed it was the LDS church. It states one man and one wife, to marry in public where everyone can see it, and that polygamy is a crime.
https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/marriage/

[Dusty Wanderer]

I found this video from Rob very personally applicable this morning.

Is he living polygamy as he tries to convince people it's true?

JS only fought against polygamy
1835 D&C section 101, last edition while Joseph Smith was alive. The only major church that removed it was the LDS church. It states one man and one wife, to marry in public where everyone can see it, and that polygamy is a crime.
https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/marriage/

Wait, why would you think he's living polygamy from that video?

And as an aside, do you consider the 1844 D&C a second edition of the 1835?

[SJR3t2]

I found this video from Rob very personally applicable this morning.

Is he living polygamy as he tries to convince people it's true?

JS only fought against polygamy
1835 D&C section 101, last edition while Joseph Smith was alive. The only major church that removed it was the LDS church. It states one man and one wife, to marry in public where everyone can see it, and that polygamy is a crime.
https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/marriage/

Wait, why would you think he's living polygamy from that video?

And as an aside, do you consider the 1844 D&C a second edition of the 1835?

You mi-understood me. He preaches polygamy is from YHWH, but doesn't live it.

[creator]

I'm not sure what some of you see in this guy and his message. Not at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll take his own advice and not listen to him on any gospel topic or care what his opinion is on what is right or wrong.

[Original_Intent]

I'm not sure what some of you see in this guy and his message. Not at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll take his own advice and not listen to him on any gospel topic or care what his opinion is on what is right or wrong.

So here is the thing. I kind of got the feeling that was what you thought. And I HIGHLY respect you opinion, as the historical record teslls me that when we disagree, you always or almost always end up being correct.

I guess with Rob the thing is I don't really believe his claims completely, although I have seen some evidence that they at least MIGHT be true, and I haven't seen anything yet (maybe I am blind) that his claims are false. A lot of what he says makes sense, but perhaps I just have itching ears.

[Dusty Wanderer]

I'm not sure what some of you see in this guy and his message. Not at all. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll take his own advice and not listen to him on any gospel topic or care what his opinion is on what is right or wrong.

While I don't follow his YT channel or anything, I did like his book "Teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men".

[creator]

... A lot of what he says makes sense, but perhaps I just have itching ears.

And I've watched several of his videos in the past when you and others share them, but I generally have refrained from commenting because I try to avoid commenting simply to criticize or judge. I wouldn't say that people should avoid him, I just don't see the appeal, especially compared to some other teachers out there. There's only a limited amount of time to give attention to the message of various teachers - and he isn't one that would make my list at all. To each their own. Anyways, fwiw.

[Telavian]

Essentially he is claiming that no one can expound on anything unless they themselves are perfect or sinless as he calls it. All the while claiming that he himself is perfect and therefore can teach people about things.

He totally misses the mark on this with his quest to convince everyone that they are nothing unless they are perfect in their own sight. God works with many people at whatever stage they are at. I have learned a massive amount from people who fail constantly and still get up to try again. I have honestly learned very little from people like him who declare themselves sinless in their own mind.

Was Joseph sinless when God appeared to him?
Was Isaiah sinless when he was called to God's council?
Was Lehi sinless when he saw God?
Was Moses sinless when he saw God?

If Rob is sinless (perfect) then he should honestly be a pure conduit between earth and heaven. What are the fruits of this? Where are the mighty works from this? Where are the divine manifestations of God from this? All we get from him so far are books that anyone could produce and material stating that we shouldn't do the exact same things that he does unless we are like him.

Writing about and expounding on things, that I am actively imperfect at, helps me to learn them and impress the ideas in my own mind more than anything else. My blog and YT channel are primarily for me and secondarily for everyone else. If no one finds value in what I produce, then I am fine with that. I have learned things on a deeper level than I otherwise would have.

I recommend that Rob actually take his own advice and focus his time on his books that he constantly gripes about not having enough time to work on.

[fractal_light_harvest]

... A lot of what he says makes sense, but perhaps I just have itching ears.

And I've watched several of his videos in the past when you and others share them, but I generally have refrained from commenting because I try to avoid commenting simply to criticize or judge. I wouldn't say that people should avoid him, I just don't see the appeal, especially compared to some other teachers out there. There's only a limited amount of time to give attention to the message of various teachers - and he isn't one that would make my list at all. To each their own. Anyways, fwiw.

I think he's made some solid points and observations at times and at others I think he has been a bit out there. But no one's perfect. The explanation he offered of tithing did not make sense to me personally but other things he's said have. I only feel comfortable saying this since he willingly puts videos/books and all that out there in the public domain so I assume he's comfortable having people comment on them as long as it's done in a reasonable spirit.

[jack]

Well I can say for certain that I have definitely been guilty of allowing my zeal to cause more damage than good. I'm trying to repent of that.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I thought it was par for the course to first understand the fruits of a belief before preaching it. It's kinda hard to preach with conviction when you haven't proven the fruits yourself. IMO that's kind of the whole point of the Holy Ghost. When the Spirit witnesses truth to our hearts, THEN we are able to share that same witness with power, if inspired to do so.

The church has some pretty good examples of what not do to:

“Another way to seek a testimony seems astonishing when compared with the methods of obtaining other knowledge. We gain or strengthen a testimony by bearing it. Someone even suggested that some testimonies are better gained on the feet bearing them than on the knees praying for them.” —Dallin H. Oaks

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/bearing-false-witness

[4Joshua8]

I thought it was par for the course to first understand the fruits of a belief before preaching it. It's kinda hard to preach with conviction when you haven't proven the fruits yourself. IMO that's kind of the whole point of the Holy Ghost. When the Spirit witnesses truth to our hearts, THEN we are able to share that same witness with power, if inspired to do so.

The church has some pretty good examples of what not do to:

“Another way to seek a testimony seems astonishing when compared with the methods of obtaining other knowledge. We gain or strengthen a testimony by bearing it. Someone even suggested that some testimonies are better gained on the feet bearing them than on the knees praying for them.” —Dallin H. Oaks

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/bearing-false-witness

Lie! That'll get ya yer testimony!