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"A United Nations “human rights” committee investigation into the United States concluded that the U.S. Constitution should be changed and the U.S. government should impose additional infringements on free speech and gun rights to comply with UN agreements, explains The New American Senior Editor Alex Newman in this episode of Behind The Deep State.

Despite its attacks on America, the UN report praises the Biden administration for promoting abortion, transgenderism, homosexuality, and gun control. However, it argues that much more is needed including constitutional amendments, for the United States to be in compliance with a UN covenant on “civil and political rights.”

The church should be in strong opposition to the UN...NOT partnering with them.

Link to story and video:
https://thenewamerican.com/video/un-rep ... en-rights/

You can tell a lot about a person or organization by who they hang out with.

Will Oaks be doing any Q&A sessions

What a great question to ask him:

"Fact #1: You have partnered our church with the U.N.

Fact #2: You say we need to honor and revere the constitution and to preserve it.


Question: Will you be likewise agreeing with your new partner's call in requesting to irrevocably modify the constitution to infringe on free speech, gun rights, etc?"

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 8:25 pm Will Oaks be doing any Q&A sessions

What a great question to ask him:

"Fact #1: You have partnered our church with the U.N.

Fact #2: You say we need to honor and revere the constitution and to preserve it.


Question: Will you be likewise agreeing with your new partner's call in requesting to irrevocably modify the constitution to infringe on free speech, gun rights, etc?"

Ezra T. Benson declared that the UN was a satanic organization. Partnering with them is disregarding ETB's words. If they declare ETB was not a PSR, they have incriminated themselves. If they declare that the best way to beat them is to join them, they have admitted to being disciples of satan. If this was an isolated incident, there could be excuses. But since they have partnered with many purely satanic organizations, the pattern is undeniable. Add to that the many evil organizations that they have given millions of dollars to. But they have not a single penny for a woman with children living in a car or on the street.

Why is the church not concerned that all nations are in debt beyond their ability to repay? Is this not cause for concern that a crash is imminent? Is it more important to feed ones family or pay tithing?

Here is a word of wisdom: Every dollar that we spend has been killed from reproduction. If I spend $5,000 on a car or anything else that depreciates to zero, I have wasted the opportunity to purchase a pallet of solar panels that I can easily sell for double to triple what I paid. Even if all I do is buy storage food, I have made a wise investment. If a person has $100 thousand dollars in cash and would rather have a truck than the money, so be it. But if a $50 thousand dollar truck is good enough for just a year, the $50k saved can be invested to return $100k that can be used with the existing truck to get the $100k truck and still have $50k left over. Why is the church not teaching basic economics and the joys of wise investing by living frugally?

Does the church still believe in Zion? Has the church done a single thing that is of good report or praiseworthy in the last 50 years?

The giving machines that they are so proud of does not donate a single penny to charity. All of the money is donated by people but none from the church. Of the money that is donated, very little to none goes to someone that needs it.

I would ask Oaks if the church has any evidence whatsoever that more tribute is paid to Christ than satan?

Fred wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 8:12 pm You can tell a lot about a person or organization by who they hang out with.

Jesus hung out with prostitutes' and homeless

Who has $50k for a truck lol. I have never spent more than $4k for a vehicle (a wheel chair van) and that is upsetting to me. Usually I pay $500, fix it, use it and sell it for a lot more as a much better vehicle than it was. And sometimes if a need comes forth I just give it away. Who would want a 100k vehicle that will one day be the $500 one that I just bought? I get and mostly agree with what Fred is saying.

I really dislike charities where the execs make 6 figures plus. I much prefer giving directly to someone in need anonymously if possible. Cars can’t really be anonymous due to licensing and titles etc (which are illegal in my opinion) required to use them.

The UN is probably the most evil organization on earth, at least on its scale. Nothing that they do is for the general benefit of mankind. They spread wickedness and abomination everywhere they go. Joining with them won’t end well for the constitution, freedom, or morality.

randyps wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 9:37 pm

Fred wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 8:12 pm You can tell a lot about a person or organization by who they hang out with.

Jesus hung out with prostitutes' and homeless

No, not really. He didn't give them millions of dollars, either. He encountered all types of people and healed many physically and some spiritually. But he didn't hang out with whores and homeless as friends. His relationship was more one of a teacher. Friends and associates are vastly different people from each other.

randyps wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 9:37 pm

Fred wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 8:12 pm You can tell a lot about a person or organization by who they hang out with.

Jesus hung out with prostitutes' and homeless

Show us scriptural support for this. Not the suppositions of historians. There is no scriptural basis for this and you’ve bought into men’s lies.

Also, understand that helping people in need is not the same as “hanging out with them.”

randyps wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 9:37 pm

Fred wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 8:12 pm You can tell a lot about a person or organization by who they hang out with.

Jesus hung out with prostitutes' and homeless

No, he did not.
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Fred wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 9:57 pm

randyps wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 9:37 pm

Fred wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 8:12 pm You can tell a lot about a person or organization by who they hang out with.

Jesus hung out with prostitutes' and homeless

No, not really. He didn't give them millions of dollars, either. He encountered all types of people and healed many physically and some spiritually. But he didn't hang out with whores and homeless as friends. His relationship was more one of a teacher. Friends and associates are vastly different people from each other.

And the Q15 are not hanging out with the UN as friends either, its all business.

Jesus mission on earth was to perform miracles, fulfill/establish his gospel and die for our sins so people could come to the father. He did not come to convert the world, if that was part of his mission he would have lived to be 100 to do so. Instead he left it up to the Apostles to spread the gospel. How did that go?

The Apostles failed miserably because the emperor at the time wanted the christians exterminated. Todays equivilant of exterminatinng a people/race or religion is done with laws. The UN and various leaders of the world control the destiny of our church in their respective regions. God said his church will never be removed from the earth again and if the Q15 are not doing public relations with the UN and other leaders then the church cant spread as God commanded us to do. The Q15 are not "hanging out" with the UN, just like Jesus wasnt "hanging out" with the woman at the well.

Just because russias leader and chinas leader are evil doesnt mean that there are not millions of russians and chinese that want to come to Jesus. Those leaders are the key to getting into those countries.

Luke 19:10 For the son of man came to seek and save those that are lost
Can the Q15 not establish relationships with UN leaders with the purpose to penetrate the world so that Jesus can save those that are lost?

The people have been educated to accept the United Nations as a benevolent organization. Most people aren’t aware enough to see the U.N. for what it is — the forerunner of the one world government. I fear that most Americans don’t appreciate their constitutional rights enough to stand up to the U.N. Surveys have shown that many of our young people believe freedom of speech should be restricted. We are nearing a hopeless situation because our public school system has lied to people since the mid-60s.

Secret Combinations fuel ethnic, religious, and national hatreds with the figure of starting wars to stop wars.
The U.S. creates enemies like Al-Qaida.
The US creates incidents like the September 11 attacks.
And while creating wars that the US can profit from, it will eventually develop a plan to dominate the world with US military power through the United Nations.
Secret Combinations believe that Russia and China, who remain in World War III, should be crushed in the final world war.

The UN and various leaders of the world control the destiny of our church

Then it is clearly NOT Christ's church. You may want to go back and re-read the Standard of Truth written by Joseph Smith.

The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.
Joseph Smith Jr.

The prophet Joseph didn't seem to believe that the destiny of the church relied upon the United Nations or any worldly government.

I wish that the Church was only involved with them to teach them, but with images of our apostles wearing sustainable goals pins and general conference messages focusing on the UN worldview… I’m afraid we’ve lost our way.

latterdayloco wrote: ↑November 14th, 2023, 5:18 am I wish that the Church was only involved with them to teach them, but with images of our apostles wearing sustainable goals pins and general conference messages focusing on the UN worldview… I’m afraid we’ve lost our way.

I kinda clung to that hope as well for a long time. Now I just accept 'we've lost our way'. The Lord has told me that what the corporation is doing with UN has no binding (eternal) effect on me, and I'm to be observant of all but to keep my focus on serving His sheep at the ward and community level.... so I'm at peace with it, to a degree .....But it does drive me crazy that they jumped square into that great combination when they were given the choice to join and sought to be a part of their 'boards of directors' and all that other worldly garbage the UN offers. In times like these I just remember book of Isaiah and remind myself the Lord clearly knew this would happen because Isaiah prophesied of these things happening. Thank goodness Isaiah wrote to us what he did...

The business of the church operation being accepted by world governments is in conflict with the divine charge that Christians oppose evil and preach deliverance from sin and oppression. No man can serve two masters and the LDS church leadership has decided the master it serves. But the membership is not with the leadership and so the leadership lies and deceives. A splinter, a crack up between the lay and corporate church is inevitable as the demands of the world that the corporate church embraces are intolerable to those who love God and the liberty God provides.

Unless the people of China & Russia succumb to the addictive behaviors as have the people of the US & western power nations - they will NOT be crushed.

China probably learned something in the early 1800’s about the destruction of a nation’s working populations from opium addiction. Wonder if fentanyl & other body & soul destroying drugs imported into the US aren’t the set-up for our own demise.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, corruption - along with the addictions pervasive in the aftermath - have been gradually overcome by strong leadership combined with a return to greater emphasis on religious practice thereby lifting the population to see a better future. I believe the western powers have had their arrogant agenda embarrassed. The Russian Federation will not fall. Unity of purpose has served to create a growing economy currently so productive there is a labor shortage.

NO nation will WIN WWIII! One must question the ‘magical thinking’ of those whose purpose is to manipulate ‘history’ into constant chaos and violence. Who are the Good Guys as opposed to the Bad Guys our leaders indoctrinate us to repeat from their satanic catechism?

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Fred wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 9:57 pm

randyps wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 9:37 pm

Fred wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 8:12 pm You can tell a lot about a person or organization by who they hang out with.

Jesus hung out with prostitutes' and homeless

No, not really. He didn't give them millions of dollars, either. He encountered all types of people and healed many physically and some spiritually. But he didn't hang out with whores and homeless as friends. His relationship was more one of a teacher. Friends and associates are vastly different people from each other.

Jesus was told off in the scriptures for associating with the wrong people. What was it he said? The whole need no physician.

"Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.”

If you are not familiar with the UN'S plan to take away the freedom of all people (Ether 8) or think that if you live in a "red" state (like Utah), you will not be affected...or your government or church will fight against the UN...THINK AGAIN.

I recommend this video to everyone and share it with friends and family. It's much worse than you think it is...and much further implemented than you think it is.

Link to video: "Made In Utah County The New World Order Social Credit System Is Here"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SeR1CeQNVQ

randyps wrote: ↑November 14th, 2023, 12:20 am

The Apostles failed miserably...

What makes you think that?

The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 7:51 pm "A United Nations “human rights” committee investigation into the United States concluded that the U.S. Constitution should be changed and the U.S. government should impose additional infringements on free speech and gun rights to comply with UN agreements, explains The New American Senior Editor Alex Newman in this episode of Behind The Deep State.

Despite its attacks on America, the UN report praises the Biden administration for promoting abortion, transgenderism, homosexuality, and gun control. However, it argues that much more is needed including constitutional amendments, for the United States to be in compliance with a UN covenant on “civil and political rights.”

The church should be in strong opposition to the UN...NOT partnering with them.

Link to story and video:
https://thenewamerican.com/video/un-rep ... en-rights/

Do you think they care about any of that?

The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 15th, 2023, 10:41 am If you are not familiar with the UN'S plan to take away the freedom of all people (Ether 8) or think that if you live in a "red" state (like Utah), you will not be affected...or your government or church will fight against the UN...THINK AGAIN.

I recommend this video to everyone and share it with friends and family. It's much worse than you think it is...and much further implemented than you think it is.

Link to video: "Made In Utah County The New World Order Social Credit System Is Here"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SeR1CeQNVQ

A friend gave me a link to this video earlier, and I scanned it. Apparently, Utah 'officials' are hell-bent on instituting some kind of tracking system of its citizens and their activities using block-chain methodology. If someone has spent more time with the video, etc,., maybe this could be elaborated on.

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑November 14th, 2023, 5:53 am Unless the people of China & Russia succumb to the addictive behaviors as have the people of the US & western power nations - they will NOT be crushed.

China probably learned something in the early 1800’s about the destruction of a nation’s working populations from opium addiction. Wonder if fentanyl & other body & soul destroying drugs imported into the US aren’t the set-up for our own demise.

Since the fall of the Soviet Union, corruption - along with the addictions pervasive in the aftermath - have been gradually overcome by strong leadership combined with a return to greater emphasis on religious practice thereby lifting the population to see a better future. I believe the western powers have had their arrogant agenda embarrassed. The Russian Federation will not fall. Unity of purpose has served to create a growing economy currently so productive there is a labor shortage.

NO nation will WIN WWIII! One must question the ‘magical thinking’ of those whose purpose is to manipulate ‘history’ into constant chaos and violence. Who are the Good Guys as opposed to the Bad Guys our leaders indoctrinate us to repeat from their satanic catechism?

China's goal is to subvert the US in any way possible. Of course one of those ways is Fentanyl. In the past, China has known that they couldn't win a war with the US, so it has tried to undermine all aspects of the US. China buys political influence in the US, it also has it's hands in tons of universities - negatively affecting research and teachings. China also has influence in Hollywood, the NBA and many other organizations. The Chinese leadership don't care about it's people beyond knowing the people are merely pawns.

Not sure where you're getting your information, but corruption did not disappear from Russia when the Soviet Union fell. As the Soviet Union government was imploding, the generals and KGB leaders divided the hard assets. The current Russian billionaires got rich by theft. Putin did not get elected fairly into the office he holds. He's where he is at through corruption - have you noticed how his harshest critics and possible opponents have been murdered? I have no problem with Russian people, but Russia's government is corrupt. Russia's economy is largely based on natural gas and wheat production. Russia has a labor shortage for a couple reasons, first it is forcing young men into the army to go to Ukraine. Second, hundreds of thousands of young people (under 35) fled Russia after the invasion of Ukraine.

I do agree that no nation will win WWIII. I think most politicians in the US government are just puppets. It's their handlers/large donors that push them towards war. It's ironic that the left used to be the party of peace, but they are calling for war with Iran.