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Lykos wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 10:53 pm You dont need to wonder about his hospital stay:

On Nov 2 he posted this:

"Following a wonderful and inspiring general conference, last week I suddenly found myself in the hospital with respiratory issues. However, I have since been released from the hospital and returned home where I am attending to duties as I am able"

If it were me, 95 years old and my eyes practically non functional, and my lungs giving out, I think I would be praying for mercy from God to not draw it out further

Did he write it? or did someone ghost write it for him?

Rubicon wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 5:37 pm

JK4Woods wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 5:00 pm

Ebenezer wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 12:08 pm My money is on Ahmed Corbitt to replace Ballard. He's charismatic, black, and has a professional background at the UN.

No way.. you see how the other 11 treat Suarez?

Last October conference (a year ago) RMN walked down the row of apostles and shook everyone’s hand, until he got to within 5’ of Suarez. He stopped and gave him a tiny wave, turned around and went the other way.

Now, maybe Suarez was sick with a cold or something, and Rusty knew it.

At any rate, there wasn’t a warm embrace or handshake…. the optics didn’t look good

Suarez seems to me to be the most like a "Mensch" (kind, good guy). He was an accountant/auditor, which is a business background, but isn't from the Ivy League/medicine/law/academia/CES industrial complex. Of all of them, he seems like he could understand and empathize with Everyman.

Also, being from Brazil, he’s had awareness of poverty, and seen right in your face poverty.

And being a numbers guy, he’s probably aware of the puny percentages used to alleviate suffering.

And being an insider, also sees what the corporation doesn’t do with local organizations and talent to implement paths to really help others.

One wonders if he is under someone more senior’s thumb. Bring shuttled from area conference to conference on a tight leash.

The other one I have hope for is Stevenson. I seem to remember someone relating a dream where E. Stevenson finally cracks and breaks cover from the lockstep Q12. Openly confessing malfeasance among the leadership and corporate policies and secret doings. He repents to save his soul, and busts wide open the fallacy of PSRs and being called of God.

According to LDS understanding, God killed Elder Ballard so that he wouldn’t become President of the Church.

I have grown weary of our religious leaders. The claim they are chosen by God is plainly being exposed for the falsehood that it is. Whether the Pope in Rome or the prophet in SLC, ultimately these are the choices of men, often completely uninspired. A man becomes prophet after a man chooses him to be an apostle. Often this choice is made for personal reasons. Perhaps he is connected by blood or profession or maybe he is the church president’s personal physician. Then the apostle has the genetics to outlast the rest of the apostles and becomes President.

So God killed Elder Ballard.

“The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty” -Wilford Woodruff.

This statement is strange. The church has never added any clarification about which apostles who've passed on were removed to prevent future apostasy.

"We are relieved to inform you that the death of Elder ____ was indeed divine apostlecide carried out by angelic assassins on the heavenly pre-crime task force."

The next apostle will most likely be a descendant of Joseph of Egypt.
If any Johnson is called, I hope it's Paul.

Comanchero wrote: ↑November 14th, 2023, 2:23 pm The next apostle will most likely be a descendant of Joseph of Egypt.
If any Johnson is called, I hope it's Paul.

Elder Paul Johnson broke the two week radio silence after BYU announced that the honor code was changing to allow "same sex romantic behavior." The two weeks were an eternity of BYU and the Church making national news for the wrong reason. Johnson said what should have been said immediately: because gay dating behavior (kissing, hugging, hand-holding, etc.) leads people away from, and cannot lead people towards eternal marriage, it cannot be encouraged or countenanced.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out ... s-n1152436

In this ABC Channel 4 news clip is that the disgraced Cardinal McCarrick the pedophile posing with Ballard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbxHS_V4FS0

GeeR wrote: ↑November 14th, 2023, 3:40 pm In this ABC Channel 4 news clip is that the disgraced Cardinal McCarrick the pedophile posing with Ballard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbxHS_V4FS0

No. That is Cardinal Francis George. Cardinal George was one of the very conservative orthodox Cardinals appointed by John Paul II and once spoke at BYU.

Wikipedia describes some of his work with the LDS Church:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_George

“In February 2010, George spoke at Brigham Young University about the need for Catholics and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) to stand together to protect religious freedom.

"In recent years, Catholics and members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have stood more frequently side by side in the public square to defend human life and dignity”.
George also praised the LDS for its efforts to combat poverty and pornography and the need to define marriage as between one man and one woman.”

Setting aside the possibility that there might be a temptation to replace Ballard with a black man (which could be *the* decisive factor) . . .

In recent decades, there has been a disproportionate number of new apostles called from two groups:

1) Presiding Bishopric (Wirthlin, Eyring, Hales, Stevenson, etc.)

2) LDS university president (Holland, Oaks, Bednar, etc.)

Presiding Bishopric members have the advantage of already knowing how the sausage is made. Aside from them, you could put some roulette chips down on Kim Clark, Eyring, Jr., etc. But hopefully not Kevin Worthen.

And definitely hopefully not Mitt Romney.

Rubicon wrote: ↑November 14th, 2023, 7:38 pm Setting aside the possibility that there might be a temptation to replace Ballard with a black man (which could be *the* decisive factor) . . .

In recent decades, there has been a disproportionate number of new apostles called from two groups:

1) Presiding Bishopric (Wirthlin, Eyring, Hales, Stevenson, etc.)

2) LDS university president (Holland, Oaks, Bednar, etc.)

Presiding Bishopric members have the advantage of already knowing how the sausage is made. Aside from them, you could put some roulette chips down on Kim Clark, Eyring, Jr., etc. But hopefully not Kevin Worthen.

And definitely hopefully not Mitt Romney.

I don't know much about Kevin Worthen. Do you say this because of his role in allowing if not facilitating the mess at BYU? I'd love to hear more about what you know here.

Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑November 14th, 2023, 7:58 pm
I don't know much about Kevin Worthen. Do you say this because of his role in allowing if not facilitating the mess at BYU? I'd love to hear more about what you know here.

That's it exactly. I don't know anything beyond the fact that he presided over the era where BYU became embarrassing to me. I have to think that he agreed with all of the change --- or that the change was above his paygrade and he had no choice in the matter. I can't shake the impression that he's a milquetoast squish.

gradles21 wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 7:45 am

gkearney wrote: ↑November 13th, 2023, 7:39 am Come on, the man ways 95 years old! People that age die every day, it's just what happens.

It's just surprising to me considering he wasn't even in the general conference death chair yet.

Wait a minute!!! What is the death chair?