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I'm not committed to him, but he nailed it here

highlights posted by his campaign

I agree. Nailed it. For various reasons my choice would be, in this order: Trump, Ramaswamy, RFK Jr.

I think Vivek is brilliant, and that's where he gets a lot of skepticism from voters. Folks aren't used to someone that smart.

He's totally right though. If we are going to keep going like we have been and pretend like the system is not totally rigged (stolen elections, MSM propaganda, establishment moderated debates, etc) then we really have learned nothing and there's no hope left for us. We first have to admit we've been conned and sadly there are still too many in denial about this.

Damn he is right. But I'm still very leary that he is a wolf in sheep clothing at the raggedy end of the day. Little hope.

FellowPilgrim wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 4:07 pm Damn he is right. But I'm still very leary that he is a wolf in sheep clothing at the raggedy end of the day. Little hope.

I agree. I appreciate Vivek's sound bites. He has some great ones, but I don't trust him.

The sad truth is that we as a nation will get the leaders we deserve, the leaders that reflect us as a people, and that scares the crap out of me.

BigFootCain wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 4:14 pm

FellowPilgrim wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 4:07 pm Damn he is right. But I'm still very leary that he is a wolf in sheep clothing at the raggedy end of the day. Little hope.

I agree. I appreciate Vivek's sound bites. He has some great ones, but I don't trust him.

The sad truth is that we as a nation will get the leaders we deserve, the leaders that reflect us as a people, and that scares the crap out of me.

I really don't have a dog in this fight for Vivek. But dare I ask, based on what?

Seedy past? Many great leaders present and past came from troubling backgrounds. Even some of the greatest, I think. I don't even agree with myself 2 years ago, because (hopefully) I'm always learning new wisdom.

Sounds too smart? Don't know what to say about this one. I know Trump IS a lot smarter, and, if he wanted to, could TALK a lot smarter than he does. I like Trump, but the "dumbing down" is completely intentional. It is basic persuasion. I get why he does it. What will you think if a guy like Vivek talks to you like you are smart and believes you will understand what's he's saying?

Appears to be running AGAINST Trump, a spoiler, perhaps? To this I'd say the real meta is not getting Trump elected per se, it is exposing, doing irreparable damage to, and destroying the Establishment/NWO/TBTB/Secret Combinations. For this task, Vivek is exactly where he ought to be, and saying exactly what ought to be said. I'd say more or less the same about RFK Jr.

How do we trust anyone? I've had this exact question on my mind for some time. Like I said before, I don't even agree with my past self. How do we judge a man? Well, he's saying the right things, now. He's showing a lot of courage, now. His words are damaging the etablishment, now.

This is a matter of discernment but controlled opposition acts and behaves a certain way, and this isn't it. Could he change for the worse tomorrow? Yes. I believe we are seeing such a man right now: Ron Desantis. In the past it looks like he showed a lot of courage and made a lot of good decisions, and really distinguished himself as the anti-woke governor. Since his presidential run, however, I've seen him close himself off more and more, and show less and less courage. This is a man that is, at present, sliding backwards. I hope he has a change of heart and course corrects.

I don't know enough about Ramaswamy to commit to him, but he has a very good feel to him. However, i do not believe in operating on warm fuzzies.
I have a lot of issues with Trump, so much that could have been done vastly better in term 1. He showed terrible judgement in many of his cabinet positions, and listening to Fauci rather than sticking to his guns on Ivermectin was deadly wrong. And he has way too much ego to ever own that he made some dreadful mistakes. So I favor Ramaswamy but I also think Trump has the nomination pretty much sewn up already.

If Trump gets the nomination and DOESN'T take Ramaswamy as his VP, I would be inclined to abandon the GOP (again) and go third party, possibly RFK Jr. RFK also has a LOT of issues that I hate, what I like is that he does seem to have integrity and will stand his ground on unpopular opinions. I just don't think I could ever pull the lever for a pro-choice aka pro-abortion candidate. Probably not.

I've heard a lot of talk for my entire life almost about no more elections, I really see things happening the past few months that, while I still don't think it likely, I think the chances of no election in 2024 are the highest they have ever been - by a lot.

I think that the chances of a total financial system collapse (globally) are pretty high. Maybe 20-25% chance in 2024. Which, considering what that would mean is scary even at only one in five or even one in ten chance.

The wars in Israel and Ukraine - so much potential for chaos there.

The election year itself is going to further heighten the divide in the U.S., and with the terrible economy, that likely means lots of violent crime.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 5:37 pm I don't know enough about Ramaswamy to commit to him, but he has a very good feel to him. However, i do not believe in operating on warm fuzzies.
I have a lot of issues with Trump, so much that could have been done vastly better in term 1. He showed terrible judgement in many of his cabinet positions, and listening to Fauci rather than sticking to his guns on Ivermectin was deadly wrong. And he has way too much ego to ever own that he made some dreadful mistakes. So I favor Ramaswamy but I also think Trump has the nomination pretty much sewn up already.

If Trump gets the nomination and DOESN'T take Ramaswamy as his VP, I would be inclined to abandon the GOP (again) and go third party, possibly RFK Jr. RFK also has a LOT of issues that I hate, what I like is that he does seem to have integrity and will stand his ground on unpopular opinions. I just don't think I could ever pull the lever for a pro-choice aka pro-abortion candidate. Probably not.

I've heard a lot of talk for my entire life almost about no more elections, I really see things happening the past few months that, while I still don't think it likely, I think the chances of no election in 2024 are the highest they have ever been - by a lot.

I think that the chances of a total financial system collapse (globally) are pretty high. Maybe 20-25% chance in 2024. Which, considering what that would mean is scary even at only one in five or even one in ten chance.

The wars in Israel and Ukraine - so much potential for chaos there.

The election year itself is going to further heighten the divide in the U.S., and with the terrible economy, that likely means lots of violent crime.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

I like that RFKJR saw the border firsthand, admitted he was wrong about not building a wall and just letting the immigrants come, and changed. His campaign website is very well done. Unfortunately, there are some things (like you mentioned) that are very opposite of what I'd prefer.

DeSantis is getting more backbone now, too.

But we still have time--there will be a FOURTH debate coming soon, says the RNC prez...

I look at what they have done instead of what they say. In my book DeSantis beats them all hands down.