LDS Freedom Forum

fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 2:27 pm

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 2:21 pm

fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 1:51 pm

So the somewhat obvious interpretation of this parable seems to me to be that you believe “the enemy” has come among the church and “broke down the hedge”?

Therefore their previous works are destroyed and also the olive trees they were cultivating before the hedge was broken down are destroyed or being destroyed?

I think the destruction is still internal at this point. When the outside enemy comes, it will be obvious to all.

The LDS church is already on the verge of losing everything with the stock and bank crashes that are in the horizon. Such a waste. The money that could be used or feed, clothe and shelter today will be wiped away having helped no one as it sat on digital ledgers.

The LDS church is going to be a shell of it's former self, if it exists at all.

Now, that doesn't meant I think that true disciples of Christ will be destroyed. I think Isaiah makes it clear the Lord will take care of his true people.

Ahhh very perceptive imo. So you believe there’s an internal variance happening right now among leaders or within the church and this will eventually result in pretty large scale failures of the church? Just to be clear

Yes. Internal strife causes confusion and distraction. External circumstances deliver the death blow.

Classic Book of Mormon scenario.

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 3:28 pm

fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 2:27 pm

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 2:21 pm

I think the destruction is still internal at this point. When the outside enemy comes, it will be obvious to all.

The LDS church is already on the verge of losing everything with the stock and bank crashes that are in the horizon. Such a waste. The money that could be used or feed, clothe and shelter today will be wiped away having helped no one as it sat on digital ledgers.

The LDS church is going to be a shell of it's former self, if it exists at all.

Now, that doesn't meant I think that true disciples of Christ will be destroyed. I think Isaiah makes it clear the Lord will take care of his true people.

Ahhh very perceptive imo. So you believe there’s an internal variance happening right now among leaders or within the church and this will eventually result in pretty large scale failures of the church? Just to be clear

Yes. Internal strife causes confusion and distraction. External circumstances deliver the death blow.

Classic Book of Mormon scenario.

Well stated. Solid solid point.

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 3:28 pm

fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 2:27 pm

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑November 12th, 2023, 2:21 pm

I think the destruction is still internal at this point. When the outside enemy comes, it will be obvious to all.

The LDS church is already on the verge of losing everything with the stock and bank crashes that are in the horizon. Such a waste. The money that could be used or feed, clothe and shelter today will be wiped away having helped no one as it sat on digital ledgers.

The LDS church is going to be a shell of it's former self, if it exists at all.

Now, that doesn't meant I think that true disciples of Christ will be destroyed. I think Isaiah makes it clear the Lord will take care of his true people.

Ahhh very perceptive imo. So you believe there’s an internal variance happening right now among leaders or within the church and this will eventually result in pretty large scale failures of the church? Just to be clear

Yes. Internal strife causes confusion and distraction. External circumstances deliver the death blow.

Classic Book of Mormon scenario.

Very astute observeration.

I do not like to use graphical description or the use of #$% words. However, by doing so it really illuminates the craftiness of the message. This sin has been papered over so much so that actually describing the sin (what exactly it entails) is worse than saying someone is homosexual.

Think about that; that is quite stunning. It in effect means that at the root; most people who are not engaged in the sin but who acquiesce to its teaching or it's acceptance at the root FIRMLY understand just how absolutely sick, twisted, disgusting, vile, and evil the acts really are.

But the propagandists have done such a great job in tying the acts to the personhood, individuals cannot think about how vile the acts are because then they would have to think about how vile that person is.

Give credit where credit is due; the LGBTQ+ executed a master-class in persuasion and propaganda. Unfortunately there is only one way out of this mess.

It's the same way that the anti-abortion crowd won. The anti-abortion crowd won when they SHOWED and forced everyone to look at torn-apart dead babies. Pro-choice is a very smooth word; but then SHOW tiny fetus with little baby heads and baby arms ripped apart and that "pro-choice" goes out the window real fast.

The only way to win against the homosexual war is to show exactly what it is and make them OWN it.

At 240 plus votes nothing much has changed.

• 43 people on this forum believe the church is being intentionally ambiguous about their stance on LGBTQ

• 34 people believe the church has become less stringent about the issue

• 31 people believe the church’s official stance varies from its unofficial one

I’m thinking most who are going to vote have at this point.

I’d say the most broad interpretation of the poll results and most generous one is that there is noticeable confusion and distrust on this forum towards the church’s stance about the LGBTQ issue.