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Anyone else disgusted over the results of so many elections yesterday? I realize that one person can't be responsible for all those republican losses but I dare say that Ronna Romney McDaniel is a huge factor and she is the queen of producing terrible results. Yes, voter turnout is a problem, but good grief she is a joke, along with her establishment cronies. No wonder GOP voters stay home when they can't trust party "leadership". If she had any dignity she would have resigned after 2022's election, but she definitely should after last night. Alas, she has no dignity, so we continue to be stuck with her.

Abortion up to birth now legal in Ohio...I fear our nation which has been ripening for destruction has past it's expiration date and is rotten to the core.

Sorry for the doom and gloom, just sad thinking about what our country has become.

I kind of hope that it speeds up our judgement

BigFootCain wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 6:26 am
Abortion up to birth now legal in Ohio...I fear our nation which has been ripening for destruction has past it's expiration date and is rotten to the core.

I am stunned and struggling to process this. Are you serious? In Ohio, once the new law is in effect, a woman can be pregnant, due to deliver a full-term baby literally the next day, and she can go legally murder her little one at an abortion clinic?

Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 9:36 am

BigFootCain wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 6:26 am
Abortion up to birth now legal in Ohio...I fear our nation which has been ripening for destruction has past it's expiration date and is rotten to the core.

I am stunned and struggling to process this. Are you serious? In Ohio, once the new law is in effect, a woman can be pregnant, due to deliver a full-term baby literally the next day, and she can go legally murder her little one at an abortion clinic?

Well, it is the main reason that democrats are democrats, after all. The purpose of a democrat is to thwart God. Kill his children, restrict the rights of the ones that live. What other possible reason is there to be a democrat? Isn't that why the Q15 are democrats?

Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 9:36 am

BigFootCain wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 6:26 am
Abortion up to birth now legal in Ohio...I fear our nation which has been ripening for destruction has past it's expiration date and is rotten to the core.

I am stunned and struggling to process this. Are you serious? In Ohio, once the new law is in effect, a woman can be pregnant, due to deliver a full-term baby literally the next day, and she can go legally murder her little one at an abortion clinic?

My apologies, I spoke a little too soon. The first piece I read did say that it allows abortion up to birth. And that is true, but in certain circumstances. The actual wording can be found athttps://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Issue_1,_R ... of_measure.

With that said, someone in Ohio can still abort their baby for any reason up to when an unborn child is deemed to be "viable". That's pretty vague. In order to abort a child after the baby has been deemed "viable", the abortion could be performed at any point up to birth if the doctor deems the health or life of the mother is at risk.

So there is a little bit of a caveat in the language of the bill, however, I foresee doctors saying that the life or health of the mother would need to be protected and an abortion necessary if the mother claims they will be depressed by having a child. The language of the actual bill does leave it open to a bit of interpretation and they can make up a lot of excuses for why a mother would need "protection" from giving birth to a child.

Absolutely makes me sick...

I liked Ronna for her support of Trump, but under her leadership, "the Republican Party has had a net loss of seven governorships, three seats in the United States Senate, and 19 seats in the House of Representatives, and the presidency" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronna_McDaniel

She has also indicated she doesn't have much problem with her uncle Mitt, so apparently puts family solidarity over the truth.

. . . . and her picture in the WikiP article looks a bit scary and off-putting to my eyes.

Get Out the Vote has been awful under her. She is there for the perks.

I believe young people have been captured by Satan on the issue of abortion. It has gone hand in hand with the acceptance of LGBTQ. The Demoncrat Party is taking full advantage of it. It is using so-called reproductive and sexual freedom to pave the way to destroy our real constitutional rights.