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Very interesting.ransomme wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 4:00 am The Church of Jesus Christ in Christian Fellowship?
https://cjccf.org/about/
Mietinnön ubuntu and Mormon Kabbalah
They have an interesting just of holy scriptures
https://cjccf.org/scriptures/
As an ecumenical movement, the of Church of Jesus Christ in Christian Fellowship has an open canon. When the Church of Christ was organized April 6, 1830 the Bible (Old and New Testaments and the Apocrypha) and the Book of Mormon were unanimously accepted as scripture. Later, August 17, 1835, select revelations from Joseph Smith were unanimously accepted as scripture. These were printed in the 1835 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants. On April 6, 2019 and 2020 the General Assembly of the Church of Jesus Christ in Christian Fellowship voted and sustained additional books and revelations officially canon for use in our ministries. Not all of the texts presented here have been sustained as canon for the Fellowship of Jesus Christ. Having an open canon means that belief in canonized scripture is not a requirement for membership, and uncanonized works may be considered scripture by groups and individuals, as it helps them grow closer to Jesus Christ. We present the following to the world as the Word of God given to all the world through His servants from the Former Day Saints to the Latter Day Saints in harmony with the goals of the ecumenical movement.
Including the Zohar I see.ransomme wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 4:00 am The Church of Jesus Christ in Christian Fellowship?
https://cjccf.org/about/
Mietinnön Mormon ubuntu and Mormon Kabbalah
They have an interesting body of holy scriptures
https://cjccf.org/scriptures/
I like the idea of being open to all. However I do think there needs to be a set of guiding principles at least.
Ol' Crowley seems like he said some legit stuff, tho, imo.SJR3t2 wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 11:35 am Yep, they push Kabbalah https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/kabbalah/ which is Jewish occult https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/occult/.
They even use Aleister Crowley for scripture.
"Do what you wilt is the whole of the law" is great for those who are Satanist.Magus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 3:26 pmOl' Crowley seems like he said some legit stuff, tho, imo.SJR3t2 wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 11:35 am Yep, they push Kabbalah https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/kabbalah/ which is Jewish occult https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/occult/.
They even use Aleister Crowley for scripture.
Interesting.mike_rumble wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 5:20 am This is from the Frequently Asked Questions page. It should tell you all you need to know about this hedonistic and perverse church.
"We fully accept the LGBTQ community. We will marry and/or seal same-sex couples for all time and eternity."
"The Fellowship fully supports same-sex marriage and encourages homosexuals to follow the law of Christ just as straight individuals should. In the Fellowship, all marriages may be sealed for time and all eternity."
"We feel that once bisexuals marry, they should be faithful to their marriage covenants. They may marry someone they fall in love with, regardless of gender. At this point, the two become one with God. If they, together with the Lord, wish to be sealed in a relationship with another, male or female as the original Latter Day Saints practiced, the sealing must be consensual between all parties. And, all parties must be of legal age. At this time all of those involved become one, and together they are one with God (see Doctrines of the Saints 17e)."
"While we do not fully understand the nature of trans persons, we full embrace them and except them as the gender they identify with. The Latter-day Saint’s Family: A Proclamation to the World states: “Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.” While this document is not binding on the Fellowship, we interpret this to say that in the premortal life they were created as spirit one gender and born here another, and agree with this idea. This Proclamation is not scripture, the revealed Word of God. We admit this idea is conjecture and could be true in some circumstances but false in others or wholly incorrect all together. At this time the Lord has not revealed answers on this topic, other than to love and accept all persons. Transgender individuals deserve the same rights, love, and respect as anyone and everyone else." "
Stay well away from Crowley.Magus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 3:26 pmOl' Crowley seems like he said some legit stuff, tho, imo.SJR3t2 wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 11:35 am Yep, they push Kabbalah https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/kabbalah/ which is Jewish occult https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/occult/.
They even use Aleister Crowley for scripture.
So is the Bible.SJR3t2 wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 5:16 pm"Do what you wilt is the whole of the law" is great for those who are Satanist.Magus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 3:26 pmOl' Crowley seems like he said some legit stuff, tho, imo.SJR3t2 wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 11:35 am Yep, they push Kabbalah https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/kabbalah/ which is Jewish occult https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/occult/.
They even use Aleister Crowley for scripture.
Even those who deal with the dark have insights worth understanding. Some of the most interesting and insightful things I've learned in studying the occult have come for a currently living black magician (as in black magick/left hand path, not African) named E.A. Koetting - who, funnily enough, was someone brought up in the Church, just never latched on.Niemand wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 5:37 amStay well away from Crowley.Magus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 3:26 pmOl' Crowley seems like he said some legit stuff, tho, imo.SJR3t2 wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 11:35 am Yep, they push Kabbalah https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/kabbalah/ which is Jewish occult https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/occult/.
They even use Aleister Crowley for scripture.
The fruits of his teaching can be seen in his own life and those of his followers. I know people have faults but Crowley died a twisted and broken man.
He used to live at Boleskine House near Loch Ness, where he performed many of his rituals. The place became a guesthouse and had a horrible atmosphere long after he left it, one that was remarked upon by guests who were not even aware of what had occurred there. Some of them would up and leave in the middle of the night and some wouldn't get any sleep at all. That is an indication he was mixed up in bad magic. It's since been burnt out which has apparently removed a lot of the nastiness but there were reports occultists have bought Boleskine again and are trying to restore the place (in more ways than one.)
I feel it's too contaminated with other things. Crowley was a gifted poet and prose writer, but also into bad hoodoo. I have read most of his autobiography but I felt an oppressive spirit even reading the thing.Magus wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 8:16 amEven those who deal with the dark have insights worth understanding. Some of the most interesting and insightful things I've learned in studying the occult have come for a currently living black magician (as in black magick/left hand path, not African) named E.A. Koetting - who, funnily enough, was someone brought up in the Church, just never latched on.Niemand wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 5:37 amStay well away from Crowley.
The fruits of his teaching can be seen in his own life and those of his followers. I know people have faults but Crowley died a twisted and broken man.
He used to live at Boleskine House near Loch Ness, where he performed many of his rituals. The place became a guesthouse and had a horrible atmosphere long after he left it, one that was remarked upon by guests who were not even aware of what had occurred there. Some of them would up and leave in the middle of the night and some wouldn't get any sleep at all. That is an indication he was mixed up in bad magic. It's since been burnt out which has apparently removed a lot of the nastiness but there were reports occultists have bought Boleskine again and are trying to restore the place (in more ways than one.)
Crowley is infamous for a reason. But he's pretty standard when it comes to understanding the magickal revival late 1800's to present. I feel Thelema has some precious truths in it.
Don't worry, I'm not going off the deep end or consider myself a Crowley-ite.
Looking at Crowley and what he did in his life says a lot. If you think we need more context surrounding the quote please share the context, don't just say we need more context.
Lol you missed my point entirely, my friend.
I'm sure there are plenty of diabolical doctrines there. I haven't read all of his stuff. Just familiar mainly with who he is and what he contributed, some of his history, etc. Some doctrines of Thelema, which borrow from Hermeticism - and Hermeticism is pretty legit.Niemand wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 11:06 amI feel it's too contaminated with other things. Crowley was a gifted poet and prose writer, but also into bad hoodoo. I have read most of his autobiography but I felt an oppressive spirit even reading the thing.Magus wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 8:16 amEven those who deal with the dark have insights worth understanding. Some of the most interesting and insightful things I've learned in studying the occult have come for a currently living black magician (as in black magick/left hand path, not African) named E.A. Koetting - who, funnily enough, was someone brought up in the Church, just never latched on.Niemand wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 5:37 am
Stay well away from Crowley.
The fruits of his teaching can be seen in his own life and those of his followers. I know people have faults but Crowley died a twisted and broken man.
He used to live at Boleskine House near Loch Ness, where he performed many of his rituals. The place became a guesthouse and had a horrible atmosphere long after he left it, one that was remarked upon by guests who were not even aware of what had occurred there. Some of them would up and leave in the middle of the night and some wouldn't get any sleep at all. That is an indication he was mixed up in bad magic. It's since been burnt out which has apparently removed a lot of the nastiness but there were reports occultists have bought Boleskine again and are trying to restore the place (in more ways than one.)
Crowley is infamous for a reason. But he's pretty standard when it comes to understanding the magickal revival late 1800's to present. I feel Thelema has some precious truths in it.
Don't worry, I'm not going off the deep end or consider myself a Crowley-ite.
I really wish he had turned his talents in other more positive directions. He was at least a decent mountaineer, I'll give him that.
So you openly admit to twisting to meet your needs, got it ... And you still wont provide an example what a surprise ...Magus wrote: ↑November 9th, 2023, 12:50 pmLol you missed my point entirely, my friend.
You brought up Satanists. If you ever read any of the writings of Anton LeVay, he makes the point that the church is the best friend Satan ever had. And he's right. Satanists regularly use the Bible and the hypocrisies of historical Christianity to lampoon it. So yeah, the Bible is pretty great for Satanists, too.
My point was it's about perspective and intent.