“Why I was released early from the High Council” (video)

[Magus]

Those who are truly poor have no increase. That's the whole point. Increase does not include basic necessities like food and shelter.

Yes I get that.

Well, if you "get that", then God does not expect everyone to pay.

BTW, the elephant in the room here is that the church is financially corrupt and compromised.

I get that everyone would not be expected to pay if they are not able, according to the doctrinal principle. But if you are able - you are expected to pay. That was my point.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I get that everyone would not be expected to pay if they are not able, according to the doctrinal principle. But if you are able - you are expected to pay. That was my point.

And... ONLY when the church operates on the principles of the gospel and righteousness. When they are proven to be liars and do not use the gift appropriately, then they deserve all of the condemnation prophesied in the BoM. "Fine sanctuaries" are not an appropriate use of the tithe.

[Magus]

I get that everyone would not be expected to pay if they are not able, according to the doctrinal principle. But if you are able - you are expected to pay. That was my point.

And... ONLY when the church operates on the principles of the gospel and righteousness. When they are proven to be liars and do not use the gift appropriately, then they deserve all of the condemnation prophesied in the BoM. "Fine sanctuaries" are not an appropriate use of the tithe.

The Temple of Solomon was a fine sanctuary. The Lord approved of that.

Where is this part about you don't have t pay if you don't think the church leadership is righteous enough?

[Reluctant Watchman]

I get that everyone would not be expected to pay if they are not able, according to the doctrinal principle. But if you are able - you are expected to pay. That was my point.

And... ONLY when the church operates on the principles of the gospel and righteousness. When they are proven to be liars and do not use the gift appropriately, then they deserve all of the condemnation prophesied in the BoM. "Fine sanctuaries" are not an appropriate use of the tithe.

The Temple of Solomon was a fine sanctuary. The Lord approved of that.

Where is this part about you don't have t pay if you don't think the church leadership is righteous enough?

So you are saying that Nephi was wrong in his prophetic view of our day?

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

The example of Solomon's temple doesn't work in our case. Zion can be beautiful, but it is erroneous to cherry-pick a story and justify errant and false traditions in our day.

I also just figured that it was common sense that when a church is corrupt you don't need to pay them. When they change the doctrine do you think the Lord wants you to perpetuate said false doctrine? I can't.

[Magus]

And... ONLY when the church operates on the principles of the gospel and righteousness. When they are proven to be liars and do not use the gift appropriately, then they deserve all of the condemnation prophesied in the BoM. "Fine sanctuaries" are not an appropriate use of the tithe.

The Temple of Solomon was a fine sanctuary. The Lord approved of that.

Where is this part about you don't have t pay if you don't think the church leadership is righteous enough?

So you are saying that Nephi was wrong in his prophetic view of our day?

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

The example of Solomon's temple doesn't work in our case. Zion can be beautiful, but it is erroneous to cherry-pick a story and justify errant and false traditions in our day.

I also just figured that it was common sense that when a church is corrupt you don't need to pay them. When they change the doctrine do you think the Lord wants you to perpetuate said false doctrine? I can't.

Nephi isn't wrong at all. I can think of dozens of churches run by local pastors who have super, mega-nice sanctuaries, make tons of money, and have social clubs they call church.

Who's cherry picking? I just mentioned that the Lord approves of his temples being very nice.

Temples aren't the only "sanctuaries" though...we also have meeting houses. But those are pretty plain and standard.

You are applying an interpretation that is negative and directed towards our church - I'm just saying it's all relative. I don't know what you expect the Church to do with its building of temples and meeting houses. Do you have a proposal you think would be more appropriate?

I don't think it is correct to blame a person for perpetuating false doctrine for giving more than what is doctrinally required. They perpetuate false doctrine if they teach it. That's all.

I think it is feasible that the Lord may want us to pay a 10th of our income in our times. I doubt it, though. It flies against precedent, against what seems to be plain in scripture, against the history of the church itself. It does seem to me that the current church leadership has, for whatever reason, gone against the teaching on tithing as being a tenth of your surplus to a tenth of your income. It does bother me. I should pray about it myself and seek revelation. But I'm not about to leave the Church over it.

[Reluctant Watchman]

The Temple of Solomon was a fine sanctuary. The Lord approved of that.

Where is this part about you don't have t pay if you don't think the church leadership is righteous enough?

So you are saying that Nephi was wrong in his prophetic view of our day?

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

The example of Solomon's temple doesn't work in our case. Zion can be beautiful, but it is erroneous to cherry-pick a story and justify errant and false traditions in our day.

I also just figured that it was common sense that when a church is corrupt you don't need to pay them. When they change the doctrine do you think the Lord wants you to perpetuate said false doctrine? I can't.

Nephi isn't wrong at all. I can think of dozens of churches run by local pastors who have super, mega-nice sanctuaries, make tons of money, and have social clubs they call church.

Who's cherry picking? I just mentioned that the Lord approves of his temples being very nice.

Temples aren't the only "sanctuaries" though...we also have meeting houses. But those are pretty plain and standard.

You are applying an interpretation that is negative and directed towards our church - I'm just saying it's all relative. I don't know what you expect the Church to do with its building of temples and meeting houses. Do you have a proposal you think would be more appropriate?

I don't think it is correct to blame a person for perpetuating false doctrine for giving more than what is doctrinally required. They perpetuate false doctrine if they teach it. That's all.

I think it is feasible that the Lord may want us to pay a 10th of our income in our times. I doubt it, though. It flies against precedent, against what seems to be plain in scripture, against the history of the church itself. It does seem to me that the current church leadership has, for whatever reason, gone against the teaching on tithing as being a tenth of your surplus to a tenth of your income. It does bother me. I should pray about it myself and seek revelation. But I'm not about to leave the Church over it.

This part from Nephi is very important: "...and because of false teachers, and false doctrine," in relation to houses of worship and how that applies to the poor.

The person who is to blame here is the leadership. They are the "false teachers" who are teaching "false doctrine." I'm not blaming the members since they are often doctrinally ignorant and have had their minds controlled since they were infants.

For me, this single false precept was worth leaving the church over, it's that bad. Especially when it became a requirement to enter the temple and the entire rabbit hole that topic is.

[Seed Starter]

Yeah - thing is though, even though the Church had been corrupted by Jesus's time, he didn't go around telling people to leave it. He still attended the temple. Restoration still came through it. The apostles still practiced many of the customs until they were told to drop some of them. The Christians were just Jews who believed in Christ.

But he told people to follow him, not the people who corrupted it. If people are corrupting the church now why should we follow them? Staying in the church must not require following corrupt men. Those corrupt men kick people out of the church if they question them publicly. Instead of kicking Jesus out of the church or Jesus leaving the men of his time just killed him. Had Jesus lived decades after this do you think he would have stayed in their church?

He didn't leave it then.

The thought just occurred to me that I'm assuming he didn't leave. I don't know if he did or not. It seems rather obvious that if he said follow Him then he probably didn't want people following the existing church or its leaders. How could members follow both? Do any Jews think Jesus was a member in good standing when he was tortured and killed by church leaders?

Do you really think the Savior wanted anything to do with the corrupt church at the time? His name may have been on the rolls but I don't think he considered Himself a member of their church. That is my opinion. I think Jesus would say the same to some of the leaders of this church as they preach repentance while they charge fees to enter opulent houses of the Lord. These men openly teach false doctrine while sustaining one another.

So what are we to do? Stay in the church and do our usual and wait for God or does God want us involved in keeping His house orderly? Surely God sees the starving child and for some reason he relies on us to do something about this. And yet some people think God would watch a child die but he wouldn't let His church crumble through our inaction. The BOM tells us the church the modern church will crumble and warns those who will say all is well in Zion.

[Seed Starter]

So you are saying that Nephi was wrong in his prophetic view of our day?

12 Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.

13 They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.

The example of Solomon's temple doesn't work in our case. Zion can be beautiful, but it is erroneous to cherry-pick a story and justify errant and false traditions in our day.

I also just figured that it was common sense that when a church is corrupt you don't need to pay them. When they change the doctrine do you think the Lord wants you to perpetuate said false doctrine? I can't.

Nephi isn't wrong at all. I can think of dozens of churches run by local pastors who have super, mega-nice sanctuaries, make tons of money, and have social clubs they call church.

Who's cherry picking? I just mentioned that the Lord approves of his temples being very nice.

Temples aren't the only "sanctuaries" though...we also have meeting houses. But those are pretty plain and standard.

You are applying an interpretation that is negative and directed towards our church - I'm just saying it's all relative. I don't know what you expect the Church to do with its building of temples and meeting houses. Do you have a proposal you think would be more appropriate?

I don't think it is correct to blame a person for perpetuating false doctrine for giving more than what is doctrinally required. They perpetuate false doctrine if they teach it. That's all.

I think it is feasible that the Lord may want us to pay a 10th of our income in our times. I doubt it, though. It flies against precedent, against what seems to be plain in scripture, against the history of the church itself. It does seem to me that the current church leadership has, for whatever reason, gone against the teaching on tithing as being a tenth of your surplus to a tenth of your income. It does bother me. I should pray about it myself and seek revelation. But I'm not about to leave the Church over it.

This part from Nephi is very important: "...and because of false teachers, and false doctrine," in relation to houses of worship and how that applies to the poor.

The person who is to blame here is the leadership. They are the "false teachers" who are teaching "false doctrine." I'm not blaming the members since they are often doctrinally ignorant and have had their minds controlled since they were infants.

For me, this single false precept was worth leaving the church over, it's that bad. Especially when it became a requirement to enter the temple and the entire rabbit hole that topic is.

I didn't read these last few posts when I posted mine LOL

[Reluctant Watchman]

Another "agenda-filled" rant (according to some of you) about the nature and purpose of the High Council:

[AgeOfAquarius]

I love that he has continued searching in the scriptures for answers and he is spot on!!

[I Dont Know...]

So... speaking up against a corrupt use of tithes is "an agenda"?

To share with everyone his “personal revelation “ and give it as God spoke to him and the answer he got was it didn’t matter. Why would God “talk to him” if it didn’t matter. This gentleman is intelligent and charismatic. So yes whether his agenda is righteous or not he is not just storytelling he has an agenda.

I think he got an answer, it just seems to me like he probably misinterpreted it.

This has happened to me before. I've felt the Spirit very strongly a time or two but didn't know exactly what it meant except that the Lord had blessed me with his grace. Beyond that, I wasn't sure what to think.

I agree he has an agenda at this point.

Utah Mormon drama, amirite?

...congratulations...the beginning of enlightenment...recognising the strength of the Holy Spirit and having enough wisdom to seek further clarification from the Lord...

...the spirit, which reveals all truth, is less about instant gratification and more about purification...

...when we open our hearts to truth the Lord confirms first by His spirit that we are on a good course...but we need to continue to ask for clarification each and every time the Lord has opened our eyes to something.

...it is never a given...that the Lord will give you absolute clarity from the beginning...He gives you tools; prayer, fasting, studying, pondering, speaking to Him as a friend. When you have sought diligently to engage every faculty the Lord has given you...He then sanctifies your efforts and line upon line He will give you what you desire in righteousness...

...its sort of like going on a long journey...sometimes a very long journey...the length of that journey is absolutely dependent upon our own faith...

...after a while you will hear His voice...other times He will speak directly to your heart...

...there are many ways the Lord can speak...but the level to which each of us receives personal revelation is dependent upon our relationship with Christ...

...I know we all want one...a relationship with Christ...

...are we humble and loving enough? Christ knows the answer and you know.

...before He gives you the ability to see into someone else's heart...He desires that you look within your own heart first...

...the pursuit of personal worthiness is far more important to the Lord and an absolute requirement before He will let you see into anothers heart...

...if we are seeking or even struggling to understand what the Lord is trying to tell us for our own personal benefit...what likelihood is it the Lord will reveal to us the motivations or agenda of another?...not very likely in my view.

...but the scriptures are alive with faith promoting experiences...

...each time we engage Christ for a good cause...He speaks...all He requires is an open heart and a willing mind...

...Christ never speaks in conjecture...but satan.

...its a fine line being able to draw this distinction between Christ and satan...but the closer to Christ we come...the greater our ability to discern our own needs...then the Lord grants you permission to discern the needs of others...

...good journey...

[Robin Hood]

Another "agenda-filled" rant (according to some of you) about the nature and purpose of the High Council:

What is it with this guy!
Most people get released from a calling and just get on with life.
Apart from being severely afflicted with a particularly large case of sour grapes, this guy appears to be labouring under the delusion that the world gives a monkeys.
As I once heard Pres. Hinckley say, surely this is the age and the day of the gifted pickle sucker.

[AgeOfAquarius]

Another "agenda-filled" rant (according to some of you) about the nature and purpose of the High Council:

What is it with this guy!
Most people get released from a calling and just get on with life.
Apart from being severely afflicted with a particularly large case of sour grapes, this guy appears to be labouring under the delusion that the world gives a monkeys.
As I once heard Pres. Hinckley say, surely this is the age and the day of the gifted pickle sucker.

I can understand why you see it that way- however... I think what may be happening is when one starts discovering how the church has apostasized, the wake-up effects people differently. He, like many, are sharing their experiences, revelation, what they learned from scripture and how they now see- and he's right...nothing wrong with that.

[TwochurchesOnly]

I'd be interested to know how much of the Church's wealth actually comes from the poor. My personal guess would be not that much of it. That most of it probably comes from well-off to wealthy tithe-payers and then the Church's financial investments.

The fact that ANY of it comes from the poor (those who cannot put food on the table or pay rent) is wrong.

Didn't God command everyone to pay a tenth of their increase, tho. Poor or not. Yes, I'm aware of the debate about "increase." My point is God commanded everyone pay, regardless of wealth status.

No, He didn't

[Reluctant Watchman]

What is it with this guy!
Most people get released from a calling and just get on with life.
Apart from being severely afflicted with a particularly large case of sour grapes, this guy appears to be labouring under the delusion that the world gives a monkeys.
As I once heard Pres. Hinckley say, surely this is the age and the day of the gifted pickle sucker.

Oh, that’s right, he forgot to ask for you opinion and blessing before sharing his viewpoint. Maybe I’ll ask him to run any future thoughts past you. BTW, use your sleuthing skills and check out the rest of his videos, this isn’t his first rodeo. In additional to his own personal YT channel with about a dozen videos, he has another doctrinal YT channel.

Also, why is it that voicing a public opinion that paints the LDS org in an apostate light seemingly considered “sour grapes”? My word, you’d condemn nearly all of the BoM prophets if that were the case. I mean, good golly Miss Molly, those guys really had a problem then. They were just poor little cry babies who condemned false beliefs, ideologies, religion, and churches in our day and couldn’t keep their petty opinions to themselves.

Kind of ironic how I see people who condemn others for their opinions also have a similar flavor of “sour grapes.” BTW, Hinckley’s gifted pickle sucking quote did not age well.

[Robin Hood]

What is it with this guy!
Most people get released from a calling and just get on with life.
Apart from being severely afflicted with a particularly large case of sour grapes, this guy appears to be labouring under the delusion that the world gives a monkeys.
As I once heard Pres. Hinckley say, surely this is the age and the day of the gifted pickle sucker.

Oh, that’s right, he forgot to ask for you opinion and blessing before sharing his viewpoint. Maybe I’ll ask him to run any future thoughts past you. BTW, use your sleuthing skills and check out the rest of his videos, this isn’t his first rodeo. In additional to his own personal YT channel with about a dozen videos, he has another doctrinal YT channel.

Also, why is it that voicing a public opinion that paints the LDS org in an apostate light seemingly considered “sour grapes”? My word, you’d condemn nearly all of the BoM prophets if that were the case. I mean, good golly Miss Molly, those guys really had a problem then. They were just poor little cry babies who condemned false beliefs, ideologies, religion, and churches in our day and couldn’t keep their petty opinions to themselves.

Kind of ironic how I see people who condemn others for their opinions also have a similar flavor of “sour grapes.” BTW, Hinckley’s gifted pickle sucking quote did not age well.

I agree. As this guys videos clearly demonstrate, the pickle sucking isn't particularly gifted these days.

[Reluctant Watchman]

What is it with this guy!
Most people get released from a calling and just get on with life.
Apart from being severely afflicted with a particularly large case of sour grapes, this guy appears to be labouring under the delusion that the world gives a monkeys.
As I once heard Pres. Hinckley say, surely this is the age and the day of the gifted pickle sucker.

Oh, that’s right, he forgot to ask for you opinion and blessing before sharing his viewpoint. Maybe I’ll ask him to run any future thoughts past you. BTW, use your sleuthing skills and check out the rest of his videos, this isn’t his first rodeo. In additional to his own personal YT channel with about a dozen videos, he has another doctrinal YT channel.

Also, why is it that voicing a public opinion that paints the LDS org in an apostate light seemingly considered “sour grapes”? My word, you’d condemn nearly all of the BoM prophets if that were the case. I mean, good golly Miss Molly, those guys really had a problem then. They were just poor little cry babies who condemned false beliefs, ideologies, religion, and churches in our day and couldn’t keep their petty opinions to themselves.

Kind of ironic how I see people who condemn others for their opinions also have a similar flavor of “sour grapes.” BTW, Hinckley’s gifted pickle sucking quote did not age well.

I agree. As this guys videos clearly demonstrate, the pickle sucking isn't particularly gifted these days.

I’m just glad people who see deviations in doctrine and are willing to voice their opinions give little heed to people who complain about them for doing so. I dunno, maybe you’re having a bad day. Maybe you are happy with the apostate nature of the church.

[Robin Hood]

Oh, that’s right, he forgot to ask for you opinion and blessing before sharing his viewpoint. Maybe I’ll ask him to run any future thoughts past you. BTW, use your sleuthing skills and check out the rest of his videos, this isn’t his first rodeo. In additional to his own personal YT channel with about a dozen videos, he has another doctrinal YT channel.

Also, why is it that voicing a public opinion that paints the LDS org in an apostate light seemingly considered “sour grapes”? My word, you’d condemn nearly all of the BoM prophets if that were the case. I mean, good golly Miss Molly, those guys really had a problem then. They were just poor little cry babies who condemned false beliefs, ideologies, religion, and churches in our day and couldn’t keep their petty opinions to themselves.

Kind of ironic how I see people who condemn others for their opinions also have a similar flavor of “sour grapes.” BTW, Hinckley’s gifted pickle sucking quote did not age well.

I agree. As this guys videos clearly demonstrate, the pickle sucking isn't particularly gifted these days.

I’m just glad people who see deviations in doctrine and are willing to voice their opinions give little heed to people who complain about them for doing so. I dunno, maybe you’re having a bad day. Maybe you are happy with the apostate nature of the church.

No, I just don't like grandstanding.
"Look at me everyone. See how wonderfully clever and righteous I am, and how utterly stupid and sinful the church/SP/bishop etc is."

[Reluctant Watchman]

I agree. As this guys videos clearly demonstrate, the pickle sucking isn't particularly gifted these days.

I’m just glad people who see deviations in doctrine and are willing to voice their opinions give little heed to people who complain about them for doing so. I dunno, maybe you’re having a bad day. Maybe you are happy with the apostate nature of the church.

No, I just don't like grandstanding.
"Look at me everyone. See how wonderfully clever and righteous I am, and how utterly stupid and sinful the church/SP/bishop etc is."

Again, your assumption. I’d rather him speak up. The church, and people like you, would prefer he shut up. He never said they were stupid. You just seem to enjoy layering all sorts of personal viewpoints that simply don’t exist. As I noted before, you’d condemn any BoM prophet who chose to speak up against false and limiting beliefs. Being silent is what led the church into the awful situation they currently find themselves. The church itself is masterful in their art of silencing opposing viewpoints. They canonized it in your leadership handbook.

[Robin Hood]

I’m just glad people who see deviations in doctrine and are willing to voice their opinions give little heed to people who complain about them for doing so. I dunno, maybe you’re having a bad day. Maybe you are happy with the apostate nature of the church.

No, I just don't like grandstanding.
"Look at me everyone. See how wonderfully clever and righteous I am, and how utterly stupid and sinful the church/SP/bishop etc is."

Again, your assumption. I’d rather him speak up. The church, and people like you, would prefer he shut up. He never said they were stupid. You just seem to enjoy layering all sorts of personal viewpoints that simply don’t exist. As I noted before, you’d condemn any BoM prophet who chose to speak up against false and limiting beliefs. Being silent is what led the church into the awful situation they currently find themselves. The church itself is masterful in their art of silencing opposing viewpoints. They canonized it in your leadership handbook.

Listen to yourself.
You want me to regard this guy as another Abinadi. Don't make me laugh mate.
He appears to me a nobody who wants to be a somebody. The justification for making his "release" video was, apparently, because so many people had been contacting him to see why he had been released early from the HC. I'm sorry, but I think that's a lie. People don't do that, and if they do it wouldn't be very many. HC members get released all the time.
I was one of the longest serving HC members in my stake after just 2 years!
No, this guy clearly has a very high opinion of himself and believes we should too.

[Reluctant Watchman]

No, I just don't like grandstanding.
"Look at me everyone. See how wonderfully clever and righteous I am, and how utterly stupid and sinful the church/SP/bishop etc is."

Again, your assumption. I’d rather him speak up. The church, and people like you, would prefer he shut up. He never said they were stupid. You just seem to enjoy layering all sorts of personal viewpoints that simply don’t exist. As I noted before, you’d condemn any BoM prophet who chose to speak up against false and limiting beliefs. Being silent is what led the church into the awful situation they currently find themselves. The church itself is masterful in their art of silencing opposing viewpoints. They canonized it in your leadership handbook.

Listen to yourself.
You want me to regard this guy as another Abinadi. Don't make me laugh mate.
He appears to me a nobody who wants to be a somebody. The justification for making his "release" video was, apparently, because so many people had been contacting him to see why he had been released early from the HC. I'm sorry, but I think that's a lie. People don't do that, and if they do it wouldn't be very many. HC members get released all the time.
I was one of the longest serving HC members in my stake after just 2 years!
No, this guy clearly has a very high opinion of himself and believes we should too.

Listen to you, Mr. High and Mighty.

I don’t want you to regard him at all. You can listen or disregard what he has to say. The only reason I made the BoM correlation is because those people also chose to speak up against false beliefs and traditions. It’s that simple. I highly doubt they felt like they were grandstanding. But good golly man, not standing up for what is right is… well, it’s wrong IMO. You see it as puffing up his ego or something. Fine, you can read into this situation as deep as you’d like. Good for you on having and opinion. I don’t agree with it. Make all the assumptions you’d like.

Your “apparently” comment is silly IMO, it’s pure speculation. Anybody who deeply cares about others typically share their viewpoints with others. And sure we can speculate on their motives, but that’s all it is.

Tell me then, why did your anointed leaders do away with high council members as part of a church court? How about we stop focusing on your speculation and assumptions and actually address the topic at hand. In some regards, all you’ve done is make an ad hominem attack, which simply suggests you have no other recourse other than to attack him personally and not why your leaders are derelict in their doctrinal understanding, or worse, they are being deceptive.

[Robin Hood]

Again, your assumption. I’d rather him speak up. The church, and people like you, would prefer he shut up. He never said they were stupid. You just seem to enjoy layering all sorts of personal viewpoints that simply don’t exist. As I noted before, you’d condemn any BoM prophet who chose to speak up against false and limiting beliefs. Being silent is what led the church into the awful situation they currently find themselves. The church itself is masterful in their art of silencing opposing viewpoints. They canonized it in your leadership handbook.

Listen to yourself.
You want me to regard this guy as another Abinadi. Don't make me laugh mate.
He appears to me a nobody who wants to be a somebody. The justification for making his "release" video was, apparently, because so many people had been contacting him to see why he had been released early from the HC. I'm sorry, but I think that's a lie. People don't do that, and if they do it wouldn't be very many. HC members get released all the time.
I was one of the longest serving HC members in my stake after just 2 years!
No, this guy clearly has a very high opinion of himself and believes we should too.

Listen to you, Mr. High and Mighty.

I don’t want you to regard him at all. You can listen or disregard what he has to say. The only reason I made the BoM correlation is because those people also chose to speak up against false beliefs and traditions. It’s that simple. I highly doubt they felt like they were grandstanding. But good golly man, not standing up for what is right is… well, it’s wrong IMO. You see it as puffing up his ego or something. Fine, you can read into this situation as deep as you’d like. Good for you on having and opinion. I don’t agree with it. Make all the assumptions you’d like.

Your “apparently” comment is silly IMO, it’s pure speculation. Anybody who deeply cares about others typically share their viewpoints with others. And sure we can speculate on their motives, but that’s all it is.

Tell me then, why did your anointed leaders do away with high council members as part of a church court? How about we stop focusing on your speculation and assumptions and actually address the topic at hand. In some regards, all you’ve done is make an ad hominem attack, which simply suggests you have no other recourse other than to attack him personally and not why your leaders are derelict in their doctrinal understanding, or worse, they are being deceptive.

I am critical of his methods, and I'm allowed to be. This is a "freedom" forum after all. He comes across as someone with a massive chip on his shoulder because he's p****d at being released. His ego has been dented because the SP wasn't as enamored with his new found position re. tithing or whatever, as he was. I just find it strange he never mentioned these issues before his release.
Ask yourself this: had he not been released from the HC, would he still have made that video? I think you know the answer.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Listen to yourself.
You want me to regard this guy as another Abinadi. Don't make me laugh mate.
He appears to me a nobody who wants to be a somebody. The justification for making his "release" video was, apparently, because so many people had been contacting him to see why he had been released early from the HC. I'm sorry, but I think that's a lie. People don't do that, and if they do it wouldn't be very many. HC members get released all the time.
I was one of the longest serving HC members in my stake after just 2 years!
No, this guy clearly has a very high opinion of himself and believes we should too.

Listen to you, Mr. High and Mighty.

I don’t want you to regard him at all. You can listen or disregard what he has to say. The only reason I made the BoM correlation is because those people also chose to speak up against false beliefs and traditions. It’s that simple. I highly doubt they felt like they were grandstanding. But good golly man, not standing up for what is right is… well, it’s wrong IMO. You see it as puffing up his ego or something. Fine, you can read into this situation as deep as you’d like. Good for you on having and opinion. I don’t agree with it. Make all the assumptions you’d like.

Your “apparently” comment is silly IMO, it’s pure speculation. Anybody who deeply cares about others typically share their viewpoints with others. And sure we can speculate on their motives, but that’s all it is.

Tell me then, why did your anointed leaders do away with high council members as part of a church court? How about we stop focusing on your speculation and assumptions and actually address the topic at hand. In some regards, all you’ve done is make an ad hominem attack, which simply suggests you have no other recourse other than to attack him personally and not why your leaders are derelict in their doctrinal understanding, or worse, they are being deceptive.

I am critical of his methods, and I'm allowed to be. This is a "freedom" forum after all. He comes across as someone with a massive chip on his shoulder because he's p****d at being released. His ego has been dented because the SP wasn't as enamored with his new found position re. tithing or whatever, as he was. I just find it strange he never mentioned these issues before his release.
Ask yourself this: had he not been released from the HC, would he still have made that video? I think you know the answer.

Again, ad hominem, not addressing the topic. I see where your motives are.

To answer your questions, I believe you are making a knee-jerk assumption. Maybe if you watched the several dozen other videos he’s made you’d understand better where he’s coming from. From the little bit I know about him, his questioning of church doctrine and policy are not new. Being released simply gave him an opportunity to extend an invitation to his friends.

So how about we give it a go, why did your leaders remove the high council from church courts, in direct violation of the D&C?

[Reluctant Watchman]

For anyone with the name other than Robin Hood, you can check out a recent video on "keys" from his other YT channel:

[CuriousThinker]

Listen to yourself.
You want me to regard this guy as another Abinadi. Don't make me laugh mate.
He appears to me a nobody who wants to be a somebody. The justification for making his "release" video was, apparently, because so many people had been contacting him to see why he had been released early from the HC. I'm sorry, but I think that's a lie. People don't do that, and if they do it wouldn't be very many. HC members get released all the time.
I was one of the longest serving HC members in my stake after just 2 years!
No, this guy clearly has a very high opinion of himself and believes we should too.

Listen to you, Mr. High and Mighty.

I don’t want you to regard him at all. You can listen or disregard what he has to say. The only reason I made the BoM correlation is because those people also chose to speak up against false beliefs and traditions. It’s that simple. I highly doubt they felt like they were grandstanding. But good golly man, not standing up for what is right is… well, it’s wrong IMO. You see it as puffing up his ego or something. Fine, you can read into this situation as deep as you’d like. Good for you on having and opinion. I don’t agree with it. Make all the assumptions you’d like.

Your “apparently” comment is silly IMO, it’s pure speculation. Anybody who deeply cares about others typically share their viewpoints with others. And sure we can speculate on their motives, but that’s all it is.

Tell me then, why did your anointed leaders do away with high council members as part of a church court? How about we stop focusing on your speculation and assumptions and actually address the topic at hand. In some regards, all you’ve done is make an ad hominem attack, which simply suggests you have no other recourse other than to attack him personally and not why your leaders are derelict in their doctrinal understanding, or worse, they are being deceptive.

I am critical of his methods, and I'm allowed to be. This is a "freedom" forum after all. He comes across as someone with a massive chip on his shoulder because he's p****d at being released. His ego has been dented because the SP wasn't as enamored with his new found position re. tithing or whatever, as he was. I just find it strange he never mentioned these issues before his release.
Ask yourself this: had he not been released from the HC, would he still have made that video? I think you know the answer.

Actually, it looks like he's been making videos for long time. I'm surprised he wasn't released sooner.