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Andersen is one of the absolute worst RMN sycophants among the GAs. He posted this on Twitter today:

"A phrase I was very intrigued with from President @NelsonRussellM's recent talk in general conference was “seek guidance from voices you can trust.”

Who could we trust more than President Nelson? Of course, he’s the Lord’s prophet—he’s the president of the Church—but even if he were not, what a life he has lived!

I testify that President Russell M. Nelson is the Lord’s mouthpiece upon the earth today. He is the prophet of the living God."

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Jeremiah, quoting the Lord, said this:

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD."

Brown nosers the whole lot of them.

Mindfields wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 4:32 am Brown nosers the whole lot of them.

He’s also brainwashing and doing damage control.

RMN told us about his life; Sigma Chi, , &

This essay is a bit long, but I’ve found this idea of Trust to be so abused in the LDS org. A search of scripture would quickly suggest that these men are either ignorant of scripture, or they are intentionally misleading the members:

https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/trust-in-me

Thanks for the quote btw, I added to my section where I quote the LDS leaders. This one from Andersen is just so weird. “He’s the prophet, I mean, ‘President’, but even if he wasn’t a prophet, boy, what a man!”

"You know those injections you received that weakened your immune system and killed some people you know? Well, we didn't have anything to do with that. Above all, President Nelson's hands are clean."

That’s pretty interesting he said that. He’s certainly changed his tune from when he spoke at one of our stake conferences maybe 5 yrs ago where he said, “while they (GA’s) are revered, they are not to be worshiped.” He went on to say that when they pass on they will most likely be forgotten and that was ok, it’s how it should be. It was very refreshing to hear him say that bc far too much of the church body does worship them, ALL of them! It’s sickening.

Let me say it loud and clear: TRUST IS EARNED, NOT JUST AUTOMATICALLY THERE.

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 7:12 am That’s pretty interesting he said that. He’s certainly changed his tune from when he spoke at one of our stake conferences maybe 5 yrs ago where he said, “while they (GA’s) are revered, they are not to be worshiped.” He went on to say that when they pass on they will most likely be forgotten and that was ok, it’s how it should be. It was very refreshing to hear him say that bc far too much of the church body does worship them, ALL of them! It’s sickening.

The difficulty with a statement like that is the culture of the church may hear it, but the leadership still preaches they can never lead us astray and they speak for the Lord. Double speak all day long. What they say does not match what their actions are. I believe that is called hypocrisy:

38 O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers, who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies—because of the praise of the world?

"Cease ye from man, whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?”

The video in the tweet is even worse. Andersen is just bragging and boasting in front of a framed picture of the two of them. These men make me sick.

https://x.com/andersenneill/status/1721 ... X959l0NNOA

Ebenezer wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 8:27 am The video in the tweet is even worse. Andersen is just bragging and boasting in front of a framed picture of the two of them. These men make me sick.

https://x.com/andersenneill/status/1721 ... X959l0NNOA

What stood out to me most of all was the prominent picture of their “beloved prophet, EVEN RMN!” Cutting out a much bigger picture of what I’m assuming to be the Savior above him. Wonder what dirt this “prophet” has on these men to get them to slobber all over themselves issuing him their praise?

34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—

36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.

38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.

40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.







There is a very large difference between being called, and being chosen,.

If you claim to be chosen, you better bring the goods.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 9:03 am 34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?

35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—

36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.

37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.

38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.

40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.


There is a very large difference between being called, and being chosen,.

If you claim to be chosen, you better bring the goods.

Do you mean to tell me that outliving the boys doesn't automatically mean one is chosen?

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 9:28 am Do you mean to tell me that outliving the boys doesn't automatically mean one is chosen?

Just imagine if a person were to have a mind for power and greed, and the steps to gaining such things were as simple as outliving the dudes before you.... or, what if they took a page out of the BoM Gadiaton playbook and knocked off the guys ahead of you.

I'm sure nothing like that would ever happen in our day.

Ebenezer wrote: ↑November 5th, 2023, 11:17 pm Andersen is one of the absolute worst RMN sycophants among the GAs. He posted this on Twitter today:

"A phrase I was very intrigued with from President @NelsonRussellM's recent talk in general conference was “seek guidance from voices you can trust.”

Who could we trust more than President Nelson? Of course, he’s the Lord’s prophet—he’s the president of the Church—but even if he were not, what a life he has lived!

I testify that President Russell M. Nelson is the Lord’s mouthpiece upon the earth today. He is the prophet of the living God."

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Jeremiah, quoting the Lord, said this:

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD."

2 Nephi 28
And they deny the power of God, the Holy One of Israel; and they say unto the people: *Hearken unto us, and hear ye our precept*; for behold there is no God today, for the Lord and the Redeemer hath done his work, and *he hath given his power unto men;*

Mamabear wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 5:19 am

Mindfields wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 4:32 am Brown nosers the whole lot of them.

He’s also brainwashing and doing damage control.

They like to run “interference” for one another I think. They also like to train missionaries to do this for each other to normalize it among priesthood leadership for when they get back.

Ebenezer wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 8:27 am The video in the tweet is even worse. Andersen is just bragging and boasting in front of a framed picture of the two of them. These men make me sick.

https://x.com/andersenneill/status/1721 ... X959l0NNOA

Pretty gross. Hearing him talk about how many years ago is meant to shore up the prophet's authority score. As if the number of years one has been on this earth or in this club is what the Lord seeks when selecting a prophet. Andersen is saying if you don't trust the prophet thing you can trust him because he's so old and accomplished in the world. He's doubling up by appealing to our spiritual first and then temporal judgment as a backup. I do not trust RMN so what now? I can trust the Lord and I trust that he can lead me in all things.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 9:34 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 9:28 am Do you mean to tell me that outliving the boys doesn't automatically mean one is chosen?

Just imagine if a person were to have a mind for power and greed, and the steps to gaining such things were as simple as outliving the dudes before you.... or, what if they took a page out of the BoM Gadiaton playbook and knocked off the guys ahead of you.

I'm sure nothing like that would ever happen in our day.

It just takes one infiltrator within the Q15, a modern day Judas, to take down the church at the opportune moment.

Ebenezer wrote: ↑November 5th, 2023, 11:17 pm Elder Andersen one of the absolute worst RMN sycophants among the GAs, posted this on Twitter today:

“Who could we trust more than President Nelson? Of course, he’s the Lord’s prophet—he’s the president of the Church—but even if he were not, what a life he has lived!”

What an absolutely absurd statement from a so-called Apostle of Jesus Christ. Idol worship at its finest. But it’s almost as if he’s saying, “Even if none of the rest of it is true, RMN is still quite a guy!” What a glowing endorsement for a Babylonian man, with no corresponding witness of Christ.

tmac wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 11:27 am

Ebenezer wrote: ↑November 5th, 2023, 11:17 pm Elder Andersen one of the absolute worst RMN sycophants among the GAs, posted this on Twitter today:

“Who could we trust more than President Nelson? Of course, he’s the Lord’s prophet—he’s the president of the Church—but even if he were not, what a life he has lived!”

What an absolutely absurd statement from a so-called Apostle of Jesus Christ.

Idol worship at its finest.

Gotta edify the upline, baby! MLM 101.

SimpleSaint wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 10:08 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 9:34 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 9:28 am Do you mean to tell me that outliving the boys doesn't automatically mean one is chosen?

Just imagine if a person were to have a mind for power and greed, and the steps to gaining such things were as simple as outliving the dudes before you.... or, what if they took a page out of the BoM Gadiaton playbook and knocked off the guys ahead of you.

I'm sure nothing like that would ever happen in our day.

It just takes one infiltrator within the Q15, a modern day Judas, to take down the church at the opportune moment.

Imagine if you had dozens if not hundreds?

If a prophet speaks the word of God we reverence it because it is the word of God. Can a man be a president of our church and not be a prophet? I would think the answer is yes. We know that King Noah had priests surrounding him and of all the people in scripture they became the most wicked. When a true prophet spoke to them, they killed him. The problem is that King Noah was a King. In other words, he had status and worldly power. It forced the priests to lose their souls. A priest in that condition who doesn't lose his soul will lose his life. Alma had to flee and hide to protect himself. In these days, exactly how does a person flee and hide? You could argue it is not possible. The way the world is now, the true prophets have to hide among the wolves in sheep's clothing. The problem for us is it's nearly impossible to discern which is which. It's also a question of how much of a responsibility do we have to discern which is which? People have jobs to do and they fulfill them to the public. What happens behind the scenes, we don't know. It's not like the apostles are getting up in church and telling every body to commit adultery. They are telling people to live good lives. But even good leaders are subject to the laws of the land which are becoming increasingly hostile to true Christians. A lot of people are on opposing sides, and they are playing double agents. So it may look like someone is bad but they may be good and vice versa. This is because the power and control structures of the world have tangled everyone into cooperating together. We used to have slavery. Now we have organized crime. We used to be able to see which was which. Now, it's not so easy. In fact, the person who can create a method to sniff out the imposters would be very valuable. One thought I have on finding the imposters is to look at overinflated stock prices. It could be a place where the organized criminal hide their money.

Juliet wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 11:46 am If a prophet speaks the word of God we reverence it because it is the word of God. Can a man be a president of our church and not be a prophet? I would think the answer is yes. We know that King Noah had priests surrounding him and of all the people in scripture they became the most wicked. When a true prophet spoke to them, they killed him. The problem is that King Noah was a King. In other words, he had status and worldly power. It forced the priests to lose their souls. A priest in that condition who doesn't lose his soul will lose his life. Alma had to flee and hide to protect himself. In these days, exactly how does a person flee and hide? You could argue it is not possible.

It is quite simple actually, you can up and leave the organization. You can leave the church. For now, they aren’t hunting you down… for now.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 11:50 am

Juliet wrote: ↑November 6th, 2023, 11:46 am If a prophet speaks the word of God we reverence it because it is the word of God. Can a man be a president of our church and not be a prophet? I would think the answer is yes. We know that King Noah had priests surrounding him and of all the people in scripture they became the most wicked. When a true prophet spoke to them, they killed him. The problem is that King Noah was a King. In other words, he had status and worldly power. It forced the priests to lose their souls. A priest in that condition who doesn't lose his soul will lose his life. Alma had to flee and hide to protect himself. In these days, exactly how does a person flee and hide? You could argue it is not possible.

It is quite simple actually, you can up and leave the organization. You can leave the church. For now, they aren’t hunting you down… for now.

Yes you can leave the church. But whose goals are met by people leaving church? God or Satan's? Did God give us spiritual armor to retreat? Shouldn't we be able to get the fiends out of our own church? If not, why? And one thing to remember is the fiends always set up a fall guy to take the blame. It's something we need to be careful, not to fire on good hearted people who are caught up without their knowledge.