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Hamas sympathizers seem to be all over the place. Polls of younger people indicate they favor Hamas. Will it take another terrorist attack to wake us up?

I think we're past the point of no return. Even a 9/11 style terrorist attack, or even a situation similar to that of Israel in the early 2000s when there were suicide bombs galore, I don't think would be enough.

It would probably require an NBC attack of massive proportions. Something which even Hamas is not equipped to carry out.

NBC: Nuclear, Biological, Chemical

What we need to realize is that our leaders are liars. Not merely mistaken. Purposefully telling lies in order to help satan sit on the throne. Even our church leaders are lying pricks that delight in helping satan. There is only one source that can be trusted. It is illegal to teach truth in school. People that allow their children to attend public school are playing Hell Roulette with their lives. If the child believes the teachers, Hell is the likely end destination. And yet, school teachers are given more and more money each year to help satan gain full power. Even so, we allow them to associate with us and our children. We overlook that they are one of satan's greatest tools. Very few people will exert as much energy to destroy a child's life as a school teacher.

Until we wake up and realize that God is the only viable answer, we are doomed.

That is for sure coming but it will be designed to ensure our participation in something bigger. It will "wake people up" the same way 9/11 did. And by that I mean keep them thinking what some think they need to think, not really awaken them. If waking up means young men must die for other people's problems I won't support that.

Fred wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:09 pm What we need to realize is that our leaders are liars. Not merely mistaken. Purposefully telling lies in order to help satan sit on the throne. Even our church leaders are lying pricks that delight in helping satan. There is only one source that can be trusted. It is illegal to teach truth in school. People that allow their children to attend public school are playing Hell Roulette with their lives. If the child believes the teachers, Hell is the likely end destination. And yet, school teachers are given more and more money each year to help satan gain full power. Even so, we allow them to associate with us and our children. We overlook that they are one of satan's greatest tools. Very few people will exert as much energy to destroy a child's life as a school teacher.

Until we wake up and realize that God is the only viable answer, we are doomed.

Well said Fred! People would be wise to understand this reality. Having spent hundreds of hours on this one topic over years I can't deny what you wrote.

We were attacked for several months in the summer/fall of 2020....it didn't do anything.

Only the right kind of terrorist attack will get any attention.

Last I heard terrorist attacks are orchestrated by our own government to create fear so they can institute greater restrictions on freedoms and a police state. A terrorist attacks wont wake us up. They will place us in chains of our own fear.

I'm not sure what you mean by "wake us up".... I think numerous people have been aware of the Gadianton "controllers" of the Countries and have heard for decades the plans they intend to pull- some correct and some not. As far as I know- I think-- they're waiting for the right crisis and people will be demanding protection or for them to do something.... and it ain't going to be good! There may be typical cycles housing, and all that it goes through- but what we are facing now is no typical downturn-

The world just went through a calculated "plandemic" and did it make our nation/world better? No. But it did show the ugly side. Consider this article below on when the SHTF and who's who---

https://www.artofmanliness.com/characte ... sheepness/

"........... people can be broken into three groups: sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves. Wolves are the bad guys of the world, the evil sociopaths who seek to harm and exploit others. Sheepdogs are the guardians and protectors of society, those that aren’t afraid to stand up for right, even when it means going against the crowd, and have the courage to face danger and save others. Grossman argues that people who are fully wolf or fully sheepdog make up a tiny percentage of the population – about 1% each.

The rest of us lie somewhere on the sheep-sheepdog continuum, with the vast majority of the population firmly on the sheep side. Almost all of us are sheep,..........."

The article goes on to talk about things like herd mentality and normalcy bias, among other things.

The past three years people chose their sheepdog and their wolf .For many the wolf for some was the sheepdog for the other, depending on who you believed. What makes you think another event people will choose properly. Look at the protests for the Hamas vs Israel.... same scenario all over again.

Fred wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:09 pm What we need to realize is that our leaders are liars. Not merely mistaken. Purposefully telling lies in order to help satan sit on the throne. Even our church leaders are lying pricks that delight in helping satan. There is only one source that can be trusted. It is illegal to teach truth in school. People that allow their children to attend public school are playing Hell Roulette with their lives. If the child believes the teachers, Hell is the likely end destination. And yet, school teachers are given more and more money each year to help satan gain full power. Even so, we allow them to associate with us and our children. We overlook that they are one of satan's greatest tools. Very few people will exert as much energy to destroy a child's life as a school teacher.

Until we wake up and realize that God is the only viable answer, we are doomed.

Can you give a real example of a regular teacher leading students to hell? I don't mean the most outrageous examples that you find on the internet or the news, I don't mean blanket generalizations, I don't mean some anecdotal example from someone who heard it from someone else, or something from a while ago, or that one teacher in the news that abused kids out of the 100+ other faculty members that are regular law-abiding citizens. I'm talking AVERAGE since you are convinced all of them are disciples of satan.

How, for instance, would an average English, math, or ag sciences teacher at a regular school teach everyone to be followers of satan? You walk into the classroom, what is happening in there? Describe the typical day of satanic indoctrination.

I'm going to say no, largely because I don't feel 9/11 brought any sort of renaissance to USA corruption awareness or reignited moral value or unity. In other words, it didn't really work, it didn't have a profound humbling impact on the nation and it opened the door for bigger surveillance and loss of privacy in the name of protection against terrorism, so it didn't seem to really make the general public more awake to conspiracy (but maybe as time has gone on, it has actually had that impact). I understand there was a very small window of unity, I know it shocked the world, but think of how back to normal partisan divide and social divide was in the next presidential election just a few years later and think about how push for what became progressive liberalism really started to gain traction around 06/07 and especially in 08 when Obama was elected.


I've seen remarks about it signaling the end of the times of the gentiles. I've seen it pointed out as the sign of society moving into another 'turning' (Four Turnings societal theory).

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:17 pm Hamas sympathizers seem to be all over the place. Polls of younger people indicate they favor Hamas. Will it take another terrorist attack to wake us up?

Terrorist attack by false flag CIA/Mossad agents like 9/11? To wake us up to our terrible situation as described in Ether 8? I'd rather pass, thanks, but God will, at some point, use destruction to wake us all up.

I'm not a Hamas sympathiser, especially when the attacks seemed to be coordinated with the Israeli IDF. I wonder how Hamas got a seven hour stand down from the Israeli's? It seems like Hamas is just another Western intelligence trickery front organization, like al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

So I'm wide awake and I can't stand any oppressive government--American, Israeli, or Palestinian. My sympathy lies with the oppressed people in Israel and Gaza. The outrages being committed by the IDF against Palestinian civilians are unbearable. All the leaders, American or Israeli, that played any role in making white phosphorus rain on civilians should be removed and summarily executed. If we could convict them, I would pull the trigger on them and not lose a second of sleep.

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:17 pm Hamas sympathizers seem to be all over the place. Polls of younger people indicate they favor Hamas. Will it take another terrorist attack to wake us up?

"Wake up" to what exactly? Hamas? Hamas has no reason to attack the United States. Our media is owned by Jews among many other institutions so of course they're going carry Israel's water and push their talking points. This is a conflict between Israeli Jews and Palestinains and quite frankly it was started by Zionist Jews decades ago. I'm not saying we should embrace or celebrate Hamas, but Israel's enemies don't have to be our enemies. Israel has goaded this country into several wars at our expense for their benefit and that needs to end.

The American people have been lied to for decades about Israel.

Don't worry, the FBI will provide the "terrorist attack."

Be careful what you wish for.

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:17 pm Hamas sympathizers seem to be all over the place. Polls of younger people indicate they favor Hamas. Will it take another terrorist attack to wake us up?

I dont think the younger generation are being educated nor do they care about the history of Israel as Gods covenant people.

Voyager wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 10:52 pm

Fred wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:09 pm What we need to realize is that our leaders are liars. Not merely mistaken. Purposefully telling lies in order to help satan sit on the throne. Even our church leaders are lying pricks that delight in helping satan. There is only one source that can be trusted. It is illegal to teach truth in school. People that allow their children to attend public school are playing Hell Roulette with their lives. If the child believes the teachers, Hell is the likely end destination. And yet, school teachers are given more and more money each year to help satan gain full power. Even so, we allow them to associate with us and our children. We overlook that they are one of satan's greatest tools. Very few people will exert as much energy to destroy a child's life as a school teacher.

Until we wake up and realize that God is the only viable answer, we are doomed.

Can you give a real example of a regular teacher leading students to hell? I don't mean the most outrageous examples that you find on the internet or the news, I don't mean blanket generalizations, I don't mean some anecdotal example from someone who heard it from someone else, or something from a while ago, or that one teacher in the news that abused kids out of the 100+ other faculty members that are regular law-abiding citizens. I'm talking AVERAGE since you are convinced all of them are disciples of satan.

How, for instance, would an average English, math, or ag sciences teacher at a regular school teach everyone to be followers of satan? You walk into the classroom, what is happening in there? Describe the typical day of satanic indoctrination.

At this point (and for a few decades now), the Single. Biggest. Tool. of the Adversary is and has been the public school system, which engages in slow, steady, insidious indoctrination in consumptive, unproductive, and unreproductive, socialistic, Babylonian, Satanic values, fully intended to turn people away from God, and towards the Adversary and its grand secret combination. If people, especially including teachers, can't see this, I don't trust their judgment about anything. In fact, it has become my most simple measuring stick to assess people's awareness, core principles and values: If they can't see and understand what is happening in the public school system, and/or are not willing to do something about it, I don't trust their judgment about government, politics, religion, economics -- anything.

[email protected] wrote: ↑November 5th, 2023, 1:16 am

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:17 pm Hamas sympathizers seem to be all over the place. Polls of younger people indicate they favor Hamas. Will it take another terrorist attack to wake us up?

"Wake up" to what exactly? Hamas? Hamas has no reason to attack the United States. Our media is owned by Jews among many other institutions so of course they're going carry Israel's water and push their talking points. This is a conflict between Israeli Jews and Palestinains and quite frankly it was started by Zionist Jews decades ago. I'm not saying we should embrace or celebrate Hamas, but Israel's enemies don't have to be our enemies. Israel has goaded this country into several wars at our expense for their benefit and that needs to end.

The American people have been lied to for decades about Israel.

So when they chant “Death to America” it is meaningless? And when Jews are attacked on our streets it is meaningless?

Wake them up? Or stir them to war?

Voyager wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 10:52 pm

Fred wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:09 pm What we need to realize is that our leaders are liars. Not merely mistaken. Purposefully telling lies in order to help satan sit on the throne. Even our church leaders are lying pricks that delight in helping satan. There is only one source that can be trusted. It is illegal to teach truth in school. People that allow their children to attend public school are playing Hell Roulette with their lives. If the child believes the teachers, Hell is the likely end destination. And yet, school teachers are given more and more money each year to help satan gain full power. Even so, we allow them to associate with us and our children. We overlook that they are one of satan's greatest tools. Very few people will exert as much energy to destroy a child's life as a school teacher.

Until we wake up and realize that God is the only viable answer, we are doomed.

Can you give a real example of a regular teacher leading students to hell? I don't mean the most outrageous examples that you find on the internet or the news, I don't mean blanket generalizations, I don't mean some anecdotal example from someone who heard it from someone else, or something from a while ago, or that one teacher in the news that abused kids out of the 100+ other faculty members that are regular law-abiding citizens. I'm talking AVERAGE since you are convinced all of them are disciples of satan.

How, for instance, would an average English, math, or ag sciences teacher at a regular school teach everyone to be followers of satan? You walk into the classroom, what is happening in there? Describe the typical day of satanic indoctrination.

Every teacher that teaches the government is there to help you is a liar and leading the child to hell. Every teacher that teaches children to be a good global citizen is a disciple of satan. Every teacher that is a member of the teachers union is a member of satan's cult. Every teacher that teaches man made climate change is a satanist. Every teacher that teaches more than 2 genders is an obvious liar. Every teacher that neglects to teach early American history because someone owned slaves is a despicable prick. Every teacher that teaches children to be the same is a terrible sick person. On and on forever.

Typically, a kid leaves home to attend college having no experience in anything. Does not know what to do. Reads some books and becomes a socialist. Having no major, no experience, and only fake knowledge, they decide to be a school teacher. They are incredibly stupid. Have zero experience. Can not teach anything of importance because they know nothing of importance. They can read a book and are more knowledgeable than a 6 year old so they decide to be the major destroying factor in children's minds. They have no idea how to earn a living. They are on welfare. Call it a teacher salary if you want but is is welfare. They are babysitters. They have no skills. They can not teach how to invest wisely, become wealthy, or how to avoid poverty. They can not teach what they do not know. They do not call the books out for teaching lies about evolution, because if they lose their welfare job having no experience, or skills, they will be eligible for the other welfare. One could say that teachers are the most stupid among us. If they weren't, they would get a real job.

A real teacher that is successful does not need the money. Imagine hiring people that actually were successful to be teachers. Imagine Warren Buffet teaching economics. Or Ron Paul teaching political science.

What we have is people that graduated from a socialist college, that have never done anything important, teaching our children.

tmac wrote: ↑November 5th, 2023, 6:47 am

Voyager wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 10:52 pm

Fred wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:09 pm What we need to realize is that our leaders are liars. Not merely mistaken. Purposefully telling lies in order to help satan sit on the throne. Even our church leaders are lying pricks that delight in helping satan. There is only one source that can be trusted. It is illegal to teach truth in school. People that allow their children to attend public school are playing Hell Roulette with their lives. If the child believes the teachers, Hell is the likely end destination. And yet, school teachers are given more and more money each year to help satan gain full power. Even so, we allow them to associate with us and our children. We overlook that they are one of satan's greatest tools. Very few people will exert as much energy to destroy a child's life as a school teacher.

Until we wake up and realize that God is the only viable answer, we are doomed.

Can you give a real example of a regular teacher leading students to hell? I don't mean the most outrageous examples that you find on the internet or the news, I don't mean blanket generalizations, I don't mean some anecdotal example from someone who heard it from someone else, or something from a while ago, or that one teacher in the news that abused kids out of the 100+ other faculty members that are regular law-abiding citizens. I'm talking AVERAGE since you are convinced all of them are disciples of satan.

How, for instance, would an average English, math, or ag sciences teacher at a regular school teach everyone to be followers of satan? You walk into the classroom, what is happening in there? Describe the typical day of satanic indoctrination.

At this point (and for a few decades now), the Single. Biggest. Tool. of the Adversary is and has been the public school system, which engages in slow, steady, insidious indoctrination in consumptive, unproductive, and unreproductive, socialistic, Babylonian, Satanic values, fully intended to turn people away from God, and towards the Adversary and its grand secret combination. If people, especially including teachers, can't see this, I don't trust their judgment about anything. In fact, it has become my most simple measuring stick to assess people's awareness, core principles and values: If they can't see and understand what is happening in the public school system, and/or are not willing to do something about it, I don't trust their judgment about government, politics, religion, economics -- anything.

ok, well all the private school kids are running the government and big corporations. Satan cant get to the poor without controlling the leaders first.

Fair enough. Let’s just say the modern education system. Is there any bigger tool?

randyps wrote: ↑November 5th, 2023, 10:25 am

tmac wrote: ↑November 5th, 2023, 6:47 am

Voyager wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 10:52 pm

Can you give a real example of a regular teacher leading students to hell? I don't mean the most outrageous examples that you find on the internet or the news, I don't mean blanket generalizations, I don't mean some anecdotal example from someone who heard it from someone else, or something from a while ago, or that one teacher in the news that abused kids out of the 100+ other faculty members that are regular law-abiding citizens. I'm talking AVERAGE since you are convinced all of them are disciples of satan.

How, for instance, would an average English, math, or ag sciences teacher at a regular school teach everyone to be followers of satan? You walk into the classroom, what is happening in there? Describe the typical day of satanic indoctrination.

At this point (and for a few decades now), the Single. Biggest. Tool. of the Adversary is and has been the public school system, which engages in slow, steady, insidious indoctrination in consumptive, unproductive, and unreproductive, socialistic, Babylonian, Satanic values, fully intended to turn people away from God, and towards the Adversary and its grand secret combination. If people, especially including teachers, can't see this, I don't trust their judgment about anything. In fact, it has become my most simple measuring stick to assess people's awareness, core principles and values: If they can't see and understand what is happening in the public school system, and/or are not willing to do something about it, I don't trust their judgment about government, politics, religion, economics -- anything.

ok, well all the private school kids are running the government and big corporations. Satan cant get to the poor without controlling the leaders first.

Most private schools employ teachers trained by Big Ed at liberal universities. Home school.

And I’ll take it a step farther. If you home school, and then send your kids to college, you might as well throw most of that effort out the window, because the vast majority of their fundamental values are going to get undone through the higher ed system. The proof is in the pudding. The record speaks for itself.

The question of the topic is off target.
Terrorist attacks are used to mesmerize, not awaken.
True terrorism, such as Antifa, is ignored and whitewashed by the media.
The terrorism that is covered 24/7 for weeks on end is a means to an end, to spur "patriotism" that is really power being centralized and legislated.