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Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 9:57 am
by Bonhoeffer
Don’t believe me? Check out this amended lawsuit in the Tim Ballard saga: https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case

Now go to line 71 and you’ll read:

The Davis County Investigation, according to OUR’s own internal documents, revealed that Elder M. Russell Ballard and other authorities from the Mormon Church, provided Mormon tithing records to OUR to help OUR target wealthy donors and wealthy Mormon Church Wards.

Also of interest is a letter included from Glenn Beck addressed to Tim Ballard on page 16, I’ve included a screenshot below. He has direct contact to apostle Neal Anderson who promises to get back to him soon, probably for damage control of Tim’s reputation spiraling out of control. How many of you can contact anyone in the Q15 at will and have them answer any questions? Didn’t think so.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 10:04 am
by Wolfwoman
I have a discussion going on here about it too, though I did not bring up Glenn Beck.

viewtopic.php?t=72965

I’m not sure how they got the email from Glenn to Tim. It was a personal email between friends. It doesn’t feel right to put it out there in the public without permission. Was there any criminal activity in there? I don’t think so.

It’s not a surprise that Glenn can contact Elder Anderson. He’s a big name with a big audience. Of course church leaders would be in contact with him just like they are with Donny and Marie Osmond, Gladys Knight, and David Archuletta.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 10:11 am
by BigT
What a big stinking pile of sh!t this is turning out to be. I admit I haven’t followed this story closely, out of a lack of interest and a lack of seeing how it might affect me and mine.

And, they use Gmail? It’s like having spyware on your computer.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 10:34 am
by silverado
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:57 am Don’t believe me? Check out this amended lawsuit in the Tim Ballard saga: https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case

Now go to line 71 and you’ll read:

The Davis County Investigation, according to OUR’s own internal documents, revealed that Elder M. Russell Ballard and other authorities from the Mormon Church, provided Mormon tithing records to OUR to help OUR target wealthy donors and wealthy Mormon Church Wards.

Also of interest is a letter included from Glenn Beck addressed to Tim Ballard on page 16, I’ve included a screenshot below. He has direct contact to apostle Neal Anderson who promises to get back to him soon, probably for damage control of Tim’s reputation spiraling out of control. How many of you can contact anyone in the Q15 at will and have them answer any questions? Didn’t think so.
One of the blessings for paying an honest tithe?

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am
by farmerchick
I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 11:29 am
by Bonhoeffer
Wolfwoman wrote: November 4th, 2023, 10:04 am I have a discussion going on here about it too, though I did not bring up Glenn Beck.

viewtopic.php?t=72965

I’m not sure how they got the email from Glenn to Tim. It was a personal email between friends. It doesn’t feel right to put it out there in the public without permission. Was there any criminal activity in there? I don’t think so.

It’s not a surprise that Glenn can contact Elder Anderson. He’s a big name with a big audience. Of course church leaders would be in contact with him just like they are with Donny and Marie Osmond, Gladys Knight, and David Archuletta.
My understanding is they got it through discovery which makes sense.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 11:42 am
by Bonhoeffer
farmerchick wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.
I am equally disgusted by these findings. I am having a hard time believing that GB was in the dark of all of TB’s nefarious actions. Did he also use the church’s info to target wealthy members to donate to his charities, ie Nazarene fund, mercury one? GB went on “ops,” what was his experience? Did he think it was reasonable or responsible to have the only source of info coming from a freaking psychic??? ‼️

Also of note, I’ll embarrassingly admit I’ve been a faithful listener to GB for a number of yrs now but quit that devotion recently as he’s been pushing a “return to the covenant” narrative, one that both he & TB started pre-Covid. While covenants aren’t wrong and bad, I don’t trust or appreciate the grift that’s involved anymore nor the history behind it as it most likely was spawned from the evil book Visions of Glory which seems to be the catalyst behind Chad Daybell/Lori Vallow, TB, and most recently the AZ family abducting 16 yr old Blaze. The extreme preppers believe Zion will be established in eastern Idaho. GB has a big ranch in eastern Idaho and his company had been selling Visions of Glory on its website until only recently.

Visions of Glory should have its own sub forum but I refuse to read it bc I’m honestly afraid of demonic possession. I know 2 people personally who experienced strange voices in their heads, strange “visions” and marriages that almost ended as a result of reading that trash so I’m not touching it but there are plenty of podcasts, videos out there where others are analyzing it and it’s straight up scary.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 11:52 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:42 am
farmerchick wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.
I am equally disgusted by these findings. I am having a hard time believing that GB was in the dark of all of TB’s nefarious actions. Did he also use the church’s info to target wealthy members to donate to his charities, ie Nazarene fund, mercury one? GB went on “ops,” what was his experience? Did he think it was reasonable or responsible to have the only source of info coming from a freaking psychic??? ‼️

Also of note, I’ll embarrassingly admit I’ve been a faithful listener to GB for a number of yrs now but quit that devotion recently as he’s been pushing a “return to the covenant” narrative, one that both he & TB started pre-Covid. While covenants aren’t wrong and bad, I don’t trust or appreciate the grift that’s involved anymore nor the history behind it as it most likely was spawned from the evil book Visions of Glory which seems to be the catalyst behind Chad Daybell/Lori Vallow, TB, and most recently the AZ family abducting 16 yr old Blaze. The extreme preppers believe Zion will be established in eastern Idaho. GB has a big ranch in eastern Idaho and his company had been selling Visions of Glory on its website until only recently.

Visions of Glory should have its own sub forum but I refuse to read it bc I’m honestly afraid of demonic possession. I know 2 people personally who experienced strange voices in their heads, strange “visions” and marriages that almost ended as a result of reading that trash so I’m not touching it but there are plenty of podcasts, videos out there where others are analyzing it and it’s straight up scary.
These are all pretty valid concerns to my mind also. I am somewhat bent out of shape about it. It seems to reveal the y seedy underbelly and trends of some of these “high profile” types in the church and their connections to money and power/influence in the church.

I’m sorry to say I now see GB and TB as grifters mostly who used church connections and influence just to enrich themselves and push predetermined narratives. I’m not sure if the church itself was also using TB for its own purposes or not at this point.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 12:02 pm
by Robin Hood
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:42 am
farmerchick wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.
I am equally disgusted by these findings. I am having a hard time believing that GB was in the dark of all of TB’s nefarious actions. Did he also use the church’s info to target wealthy members to donate to his charities, ie Nazarene fund, mercury one? GB went on “ops,” what was his experience? Did he think it was reasonable or responsible to have the only source of info coming from a freaking psychic??? ‼️

Also of note, I’ll embarrassingly admit I’ve been a faithful listener to GB for a number of yrs now but quit that devotion recently as he’s been pushing a “return to the covenant” narrative, one that both he & TB started pre-Covid. While covenants aren’t wrong and bad, I don’t trust or appreciate the grift that’s involved anymore nor the history behind it as it most likely was spawned from the evil book Visions of Glory which seems to be the catalyst behind Chad Daybell/Lori Vallow, TB, and most recently the AZ family abducting 16 yr old Blaze. The extreme preppers believe Zion will be established in eastern Idaho. GB has a big ranch in eastern Idaho and his company had been selling Visions of Glory on its website until only recently.

Visions of Glory should have its own sub forum but I refuse to read it bc I’m honestly afraid of demonic possession. I know 2 people personally who experienced strange voices in their heads, strange “visions” and marriages that almost ended as a result of reading that trash so I’m not touching it but there are plenty of podcasts, videos out there where others are analyzing it and it’s straight up scary.
If they had voices in their heads, it probably says a lot more about your friends than it does about the book. I think it is unwise to condemn a book without reading it. People do it with the Book of Mormon all the time.
Personally, I think VoG is a work of fiction, and I thought it at the time I read it.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 12:29 pm
by Wolfwoman
farmerchick wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.
Glenn already said on his radio show that he and his team looked into the allegations and he has an opinion about it doesn’t look good and Tim broke his marriage covenants. But he said he could be wrong. So he probably wants to allow for due process and for Tim to have his day in court. But is already saying it doesn’t look good.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 12:45 pm
by Wolfwoman
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:29 am
Wolfwoman wrote: November 4th, 2023, 10:04 am I have a discussion going on here about it too, though I did not bring up Glenn Beck.

viewtopic.php?t=72965

I’m not sure how they got the email from Glenn to Tim. It was a personal email between friends. It doesn’t feel right to put it out there in the public without permission. Was there any criminal activity in there? I don’t think so.

It’s not a surprise that Glenn can contact Elder Anderson. He’s a big name with a big audience. Of course church leaders would be in contact with him just like they are with Donny and Marie Osmond, Gladys Knight, and David Archuletta.
My understanding is they got it through discovery which makes sense.
They’re already in discovery phase?

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 12:46 pm
by Wolfwoman
Wolfwoman wrote: November 4th, 2023, 12:29 pm
farmerchick wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.
Glenn already said on his radio show that he and his team looked into the allegations and he has an opinion about it doesn’t look good and Tim broke his marriage covenants. But he said he could be wrong. So he probably wants to allow for due process and for Tim to have his day in court. But is already saying it doesn’t look good.
They even listed this in the lawsuit.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 12:53 pm
by Seed Starter
Wolfwoman wrote: November 4th, 2023, 12:29 pm
farmerchick wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.
Glenn already said on his radio show that he and his team looked into the allegations and he has an opinion about it doesn’t look good and Tim broke his marriage covenants. But he said he could be wrong. So he probably wants to allow for due process and for Tim to have his day in court. But is already saying it doesn’t look good.
And he let his team write an article about what may have been going on. Glenn, went from having Tim be the CEO of the Nazarene fund to letting him go and then when all this came out Glenn was vigorously defending Tim saying the church was basically excommunicating him in public over some bad press. As the days went by Glenn deleted tweets pushing back on the church and then he was in contact with Tim's accusers and he told one of his reporters to write a story and see what's there without Glenn's influence.

Glenn is no longer defending Tim and wants the truth. He does want due process for Tim but it's obvious to me Glenn is disappointed by how this looks. I find this evolution pretty interesting for someone so close to Tim. Glenn doesn't have to call Tim guilty for me to know he's highly suspicious of his friend. To me he looks pretty disappointed when he talks about this. I would call this one indicator of a possible problem and as far as this case goes I have a lot of indicators to consider.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 12:56 pm
by Wolfwoman
Robin Hood wrote: November 4th, 2023, 12:02 pm
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:42 am
farmerchick wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.
I am equally disgusted by these findings. I am having a hard time believing that GB was in the dark of all of TB’s nefarious actions. Did he also use the church’s info to target wealthy members to donate to his charities, ie Nazarene fund, mercury one? GB went on “ops,” what was his experience? Did he think it was reasonable or responsible to have the only source of info coming from a freaking psychic??? ‼️

Also of note, I’ll embarrassingly admit I’ve been a faithful listener to GB for a number of yrs now but quit that devotion recently as he’s been pushing a “return to the covenant” narrative, one that both he & TB started pre-Covid. While covenants aren’t wrong and bad, I don’t trust or appreciate the grift that’s involved anymore nor the history behind it as it most likely was spawned from the evil book Visions of Glory which seems to be the catalyst behind Chad Daybell/Lori Vallow, TB, and most recently the AZ family abducting 16 yr old Blaze. The extreme preppers believe Zion will be established in eastern Idaho. GB has a big ranch in eastern Idaho and his company had been selling Visions of Glory on its website until only recently.

Visions of Glory should have its own sub forum but I refuse to read it bc I’m honestly afraid of demonic possession. I know 2 people personally who experienced strange voices in their heads, strange “visions” and marriages that almost ended as a result of reading that trash so I’m not touching it but there are plenty of podcasts, videos out there where others are analyzing it and it’s straight up scary.
If they had voices in their heads, it probably says a lot more about your friends than it does about the book. I think it is unwise to condemn a book without reading it. People do it with the Book of Mormon all the time.
Personally, I think VoG is a work of fiction, and I thought it at the time I read it.
Yeah, this was getting a bit out there to be so scared of a book. Reminds me of the Jehovah’s Witnesses who wanted us to take their tract, but they were too afraid to take ours. Literally believing it would make them possessed by demons, I guess.
One could absolutely say the same thing about the Book of Mormon or the Bible. We’ve already seen multiple people comparing themselves to Nephi when he left Jerusalem or when he killed Laban.

I read the book. I didn’t commit adultery or kill anyone or start a cult. I don’t hear voices other than my own thoughts.

Lauren Matthias of Hidden True Crime has read the book 3 times and she didn’t get possessed, that we know of, though she is getting more and more anti Mormon…

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 1:13 pm
by fractal_light_harvest
Wolfwoman wrote: November 4th, 2023, 12:56 pm
Robin Hood wrote: November 4th, 2023, 12:02 pm
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:42 am

I am equally disgusted by these findings. I am having a hard time believing that GB was in the dark of all of TB’s nefarious actions. Did he also use the church’s info to target wealthy members to donate to his charities, ie Nazarene fund, mercury one? GB went on “ops,” what was his experience? Did he think it was reasonable or responsible to have the only source of info coming from a freaking psychic??? ‼️

Also of note, I’ll embarrassingly admit I’ve been a faithful listener to GB for a number of yrs now but quit that devotion recently as he’s been pushing a “return to the covenant” narrative, one that both he & TB started pre-Covid. While covenants aren’t wrong and bad, I don’t trust or appreciate the grift that’s involved anymore nor the history behind it as it most likely was spawned from the evil book Visions of Glory which seems to be the catalyst behind Chad Daybell/Lori Vallow, TB, and most recently the AZ family abducting 16 yr old Blaze. The extreme preppers believe Zion will be established in eastern Idaho. GB has a big ranch in eastern Idaho and his company had been selling Visions of Glory on its website until only recently.

Visions of Glory should have its own sub forum but I refuse to read it bc I’m honestly afraid of demonic possession. I know 2 people personally who experienced strange voices in their heads, strange “visions” and marriages that almost ended as a result of reading that trash so I’m not touching it but there are plenty of podcasts, videos out there where others are analyzing it and it’s straight up scary.
If they had voices in their heads, it probably says a lot more about your friends than it does about the book. I think it is unwise to condemn a book without reading it. People do it with the Book of Mormon all the time.
Personally, I think VoG is a work of fiction, and I thought it at the time I read it.
Yeah, this was getting a bit out there to be so scared of a book. Reminds me of the Jehovah’s Witnesses who wanted us to take their tract, but they were too afraid to take ours. Literally believing it would make them possessed by demons, I guess.
One could absolutely say the same thing about the Book of Mormon or the Bible. We’ve already seen multiple people comparing themselves to Nephi when he left Jerusalem or when he killed Laban.

I read the book. I didn’t commit adultery or kill anyone or start a cult. I don’t hear voices other than my own thoughts.

Lauren Matthias of Hidden True Crime has read the book 3 times and she didn’t get possessed, that we know of, though she is getting more and more anti Mormon…
I read the book. I didn’t commit adultery or kill anyone or start a cult. I don’t hear voices other than my own thoughts.

Lauren Matthias of Hidden True Crime has read the book 3 times and she didn’t get possessed, that we know of, though she is getting more and more anti Mormon…
Well…..you and Lauren haven’t done any of these things *yet*. Because the evil spirits are biding their time, dormant in you. Who knows what the future holds for you two though??! Anti Mormon bank robbery spree anyone…..

Obviously Kidding. Yah it’s just a book. I’ve heard some of the ideas are a little….on the edge and I have read or listened to *some* of it and it can be pretty out there but also interesting at times. But ultimately it’s just a book. If you approach it in a balanced manner with critical thinking and faith im hoping most adults would be able to avoid any possible pitfalls present or not.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 1:33 pm
by Seed Starter
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:57 am Don’t believe me? Check out this amended lawsuit in the Tim Ballard saga: https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case

Now go to line 71 and you’ll read:

The Davis County Investigation, according to OUR’s own internal documents, revealed that Elder M. Russell Ballard and other authorities from the Mormon Church, provided Mormon tithing records to OUR to help OUR target wealthy donors and wealthy Mormon Church Wards.

Also of interest is a letter included from Glenn Beck addressed to Tim Ballard on page 16, I’ve included a screenshot below. He has direct contact to apostle Neal Anderson who promises to get back to him soon, probably for damage control of Tim’s reputation spiraling out of control. How many of you can contact anyone in the Q15 at will and have them answer any questions? Didn’t think so.
Wow! That's slightly damning. I thought this was interesting at the beginning:

"Plaintiffs bring these claims using pseudonyms pursuant to protect their safety from the general public and from the Defendants, given their propensity to intimidate those who dare to stand up to them. These are not the real initials of the victims. Once a proper protective order is in place, Plaintiffs will provide their identifying information to Defendants. Given that Ballard committed the acts complained of, he already knows their identities and despite his efforts to blast his face in social and mainstream media, should understand the importance of keeping the identity of a scared and sexually victimized women, private. Likewise, Defendant The Spear Fund, an alter-ego of Tim Ballard, issued a statement to the press stating that it knows the identities of these women."

I think we will know who these women and one man are by the end of this.

Point 2: Holy cow that's a lot of defendants!

Point 3: Holy crap read this stuff from the lawsuit.

51. OUR began claiming credit on its webpage and blog posts for work that other organizations were performing. See Exhibit G.
52. When these organizations started criticizing OUR on social media for its fraudulent hijacking of Plaintiff’s organization’s work, OUR and Tim Ballard began attacking them.
53. Some of these organizations reached out to the Davis County Investigation team based upon their experiences with OUR’s and Tim Ballard’s dishonesty and attacks, and what OUR was actually doing.
54. The Davis County Attorneys’ office issued subpoenas to some of these Complainants for them to provide certain documents and testimony related to its investigation of OUR. See Exhibit H.
55. Upon learning of these complaints, Attorney General Reyes would step in, and rather than investigate what OUR and Tim Ballard were doing, would intimidate the complainants
56. Some of these complainants became very nervous, which anxiety was justified as both Plaintiff and Troy Rawlings were threatened with a lawsuit by OUR and Tim Ballard, and OUR and Tim Ballard hired a law firm in San Fransisco to sue Troy Rawlings.
57. At this same time, others who had made complaints against OUR and Tim Ballard (critical and highly credible witnesses), began withdrawing their complaints based upon fear of retribution by OUR and Tim Ballard, thus impeding the Davis County Investigation. See Exhibit I.
58. The Davis County Investigation revealed that OUR and Tim Ballard were aware that allegations were being made that Ballard failed his CIA polygraph test, was on an unpaid intern at the CIA, and was fired from the CIA. See Exhibit J at p. 6, 58 (b).
59. OUR and Tim Ballard were aware that eight different women had complained to the Davis County Investigation that Ballard had engaged in sexual affairs with them. Id. at p. 6, 58 (a).
60. OUR and Tim Ballard were aware that the Davis County Attorney believed that Katherine Ballard had tampered with witnesses to impede them from cooperation with the Davis County Investigation. Id. at p. 7, 58 (f). 12
61. Troy Rawlings also believed that General Reyes “was guilty of witness tampering.”
62. Rawlings alleged to have written communications from AG Reyes to a witness requesting the witness not to cooperate with Rawlings in the Investigation.” Id. at p. 7, 58 (h).
63. OUR went to its de facto general counsel, Sean Reyes, and asked that a special prosecutor be appointed to prosecute Troy Rawlings. See Exhibit K.
64. Troy Rawlings went to Attorney General Sean Reyes and informed him of OUR’s threat to sue him, which General Reyes immediately informed Tim Ballard and OUR of Troy Rawlings’ concerns and deemed Mr. Rawlings’ statements as “false.” See Exhibit J at p. 5, 49.
65. Even as more fraud complaints came into General Reyes, he would immediately send them to Tim Ballard on his personal email, instead of his official Utah email. See Exhibit L.
66. At this time, Tim Ballard was ignoring his in-house counsel’s advice that what he was doing was illegal and unethical and could subject him to criminal liability from the Davis County Investigation and the Department of Justice. See Exhibit M.
67. Ballard claims to be blessed by Thom Harrison, both while Thom was alive, and through Spear President Ken Krogue, claiming to anoint Ballard as a chosen one, not subject to the jurisdiction of government and church authorities. See Exhibits N and O.
68. Ballard has been, until recently, business associates and close friends with Apostle and Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles M. Russell Ballard (“President Ballard”) of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

It looks like Katherine may have been involved in wrongdoing and seeing photos in a lawsuit was refreshing.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 4:17 pm
by Seed Starter
I just read about WW's (One of Tim's accusers) experiences. At the end she addresses why she came forward. I posted part of that. Look at the portions I made bold. I have made the point about the timing of Tim's senate run being used to give Tim cover a few times here but many people don't want to believe that. Tim said himself people were out to get him in July. Announcing a senate run (political ruse) in September so people would jump to conclusions is exactly what he did IMO. P.S. WW told Tim she was a victim of rape and he still put her through all this.

It's easy to see how he kept manipulating her even telling her she could be the face of OUR. This is one of the women who Tim told the Elder Ballard gave his blessing for the couples ruse. It sounds like Tim let things happen to her when that was never the plan. Tim was supposed to come to her aid since he knew Spanish. It doesn't sound like the couples ruse protected anyone. The ruse gave him access to these women (to save kids). Keep going if you want to save kids... The church knew they couldn't have Tim bringing one of the Q15 into this so they called him out publicly (distanced themselves) when they became aware some of these women were saying Tim told them Elder Ballard thought the couples ruse was cool. I think these women are going to win in the end.

"In the interest of and protection for all involved, we made every effort to maintain silence to the press and public regarding the specifics of Tim’s behavior and names of women abused. Despite our efforts, the press eventually got word of the investigation and drew it to public attention. Tim had not indicated a Senate run until—conveniently—the day before the press printed the leak about the wrapped investigation into his sexual misconduct. Tim malevolently linked his political announcement with allegations investigated and verified long before, inciting public anger and demand for Tim’s victims to step forth and defend ourselves—which has led to further victimization, especially without the resources for personal and/or legal protection.

I have never wanted to disappear from life this badly. It has been inexplicably debilitating to be so vulnerable, unsafe, and uncertain—and this is coming from a woman who dines with traffickers and cartel with intent to betray them. Rather than taking accountability or humbly making amends, Tim blamed his victims of attempting to ruin him without cause. Through his denials, Tim has divided families and friends, church members and political allies. Any man who has left devastation and destruction in his wake, and continues to vehemently lie and slander, should be compelled to make recompense when he has refused to do so voluntarily. Tim has spent years in luxury, traveling in fame and power, living out his delusional and sexual fantasies, while people he has used to get there remain unprotected, afraid, financially ruined, and struggling to survive on multiple fronts.

To those who naively excuse Tim’s atrocious behavior as a matter of consent, of simply walking away, I am glad for your good fortune of never having been lured into an abusive relationship. When it comes to understanding the extent of predatory behaviors and grooming, the issue of “consent” is irrelevant. The very definition of grooming is the process of securing a target’s trust and manipulating that to get them to agree to things they would never otherwise consider. That’s what master manipulators do; they get you to conform to their beliefs and tactics, making the absurd seem normal and you seem absurd."

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 5:03 pm
by Robin Hood
Seed Starter wrote: November 4th, 2023, 4:17 pm I just read about WW's (One of Tim's accusers) experiences. At the end she addresses why she came forward. I posted part of that. Look at the portions I made bold. I have made the point about the timing of Tim's senate run being used to give Tim cover a few times here but many people don't want to believe that. Tim said himself people were out to get him in July. Announcing a senate run (political ruse) in September so people would jump to conclusions is exactly what he did IMO. P.S. WW told Tim she was a victim of rape and he still put her through all this.

It's easy to see how he kept manipulating her even telling her she could be the face of OUR. This is one of the women who Tim told the Elder Ballard gave his blessing for the couples ruse. It sounds like Tim let things happen to her when that was never the plan. Tim was supposed to come to her aid since he knew Spanish. It doesn't sound like the couples ruse protected anyone. The ruse gave him access to these women (to save kids). Keep going if you want to save kids... The church knew they couldn't have Tim bringing one of the Q15 into this so they called him out publicly (distanced themselves) when they became aware some of these women were saying Tim told them Elder Ballard thought the couples ruse was cool. I think these women are going to win in the end.

"In the interest of and protection for all involved, we made every effort to maintain silence to the press and public regarding the specifics of Tim’s behavior and names of women abused. Despite our efforts, the press eventually got word of the investigation and drew it to public attention. Tim had not indicated a Senate run until—conveniently—the day before the press printed the leak about the wrapped investigation into his sexual misconduct. Tim malevolently linked his political announcement with allegations investigated and verified long before, inciting public anger and demand for Tim’s victims to step forth and defend ourselves—which has led to further victimization, especially without the resources for personal and/or legal protection.

I have never wanted to disappear from life this badly. It has been inexplicably debilitating to be so vulnerable, unsafe, and uncertain—and this is coming from a woman who dines with traffickers and cartel with intent to betray them. Rather than taking accountability or humbly making amends, Tim blamed his victims of attempting to ruin him without cause. Through his denials, Tim has divided families and friends, church members and political allies. Any man who has left devastation and destruction in his wake, and continues to vehemently lie and slander, should be compelled to make recompense when he has refused to do so voluntarily. Tim has spent years in luxury, traveling in fame and power, living out his delusional and sexual fantasies, while people he has used to get there remain unprotected, afraid, financially ruined, and struggling to survive on multiple fronts.

To those who naively excuse Tim’s atrocious behavior as a matter of consent, of simply walking away, I am glad for your good fortune of never having been lured into an abusive relationship. When it comes to understanding the extent of predatory behaviors and grooming, the issue of “consent” is irrelevant. The very definition of grooming is the process of securing a target’s trust and manipulating that to get them to agree to things they would never otherwise consider. That’s what master manipulators do; they get you to conform to their beliefs and tactics, making the absurd seem normal and you seem absurd."
I didn't think Tim Ballard announced anything regarding a run for the senate. I understand there was a strong rumour based on something someone else said, but nothing from Tim himself. Did I miss something?

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 5:09 pm
by farmerchick
Wolfwoman wrote: November 4th, 2023, 12:46 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: November 4th, 2023, 12:29 pm
farmerchick wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:14 am I read the legal documents. The Tim Ballard fiasco is really disgusting. Tim was basically living a double life and i feel sorry for the donors who gave him one penny. Tim created many more victims than he supposedly saved. Everyone who was conned into donating has been victimized by tim Ballard....just disgusting. Glenn Beck should have vetted Tim better and never should have introduced him to his audience...but now that Glenn has been a party to this inadvertent fraud, he should apologize to every one who ever donated to this and bust the thing wide open...but I'm sure he'll keep quiet and hope this just blows over. It's amazing how well Tim Ballard kept this thing rolling along for as long as he did and that just makes it worse. Good research Bonhoeffer.
Glenn already said on his radio show that he and his team looked into the allegations and he has an opinion about it doesn’t look good and Tim broke his marriage covenants. But he said he could be wrong. So he probably wants to allow for due process and for Tim to have his day in court. But is already saying it doesn’t look good.
They even listed this in the lawsuit.
I listen to Glenn sporadically, but I haven't heard any type of apology from Glenn...maybe he did ...but I don't know about it...saying it looks bad just doesn't seem to cover it in my opinion...Glenn's audience was key in the fund raising for Tim Ballard and it seems it was not as presented, which leads to Glenn's credibility with his audience and their generosity......just my opinion...and maybe Glenn will say more after the court case......we will see.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm
by pho·to·syn·the·sis
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A plot fit for a movie of this Caliber. Sean Reyes approves.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm
by Wolfwoman
Robin Hood wrote: November 4th, 2023, 5:03 pm
Seed Starter wrote: November 4th, 2023, 4:17 pm I just read about WW's (One of Tim's accusers) experiences. At the end she addresses why she came forward. I posted part of that. Look at the portions I made bold. I have made the point about the timing of Tim's senate run being used to give Tim cover a few times here but many people don't want to believe that. Tim said himself people were out to get him in July. Announcing a senate run (political ruse) in September so people would jump to conclusions is exactly what he did IMO. P.S. WW told Tim she was a victim of rape and he still put her through all this.

It's easy to see how he kept manipulating her even telling her she could be the face of OUR. This is one of the women who Tim told the Elder Ballard gave his blessing for the couples ruse. It sounds like Tim let things happen to her when that was never the plan. Tim was supposed to come to her aid since he knew Spanish. It doesn't sound like the couples ruse protected anyone. The ruse gave him access to these women (to save kids). Keep going if you want to save kids... The church knew they couldn't have Tim bringing one of the Q15 into this so they called him out publicly (distanced themselves) when they became aware some of these women were saying Tim told them Elder Ballard thought the couples ruse was cool. I think these women are going to win in the end.

"In the interest of and protection for all involved, we made every effort to maintain silence to the press and public regarding the specifics of Tim’s behavior and names of women abused. Despite our efforts, the press eventually got word of the investigation and drew it to public attention. Tim had not indicated a Senate run until—conveniently—the day before the press printed the leak about the wrapped investigation into his sexual misconduct. Tim malevolently linked his political announcement with allegations investigated and verified long before, inciting public anger and demand for Tim’s victims to step forth and defend ourselves—which has led to further victimization, especially without the resources for personal and/or legal protection.

I have never wanted to disappear from life this badly. It has been inexplicably debilitating to be so vulnerable, unsafe, and uncertain—and this is coming from a woman who dines with traffickers and cartel with intent to betray them. Rather than taking accountability or humbly making amends, Tim blamed his victims of attempting to ruin him without cause. Through his denials, Tim has divided families and friends, church members and political allies. Any man who has left devastation and destruction in his wake, and continues to vehemently lie and slander, should be compelled to make recompense when he has refused to do so voluntarily. Tim has spent years in luxury, traveling in fame and power, living out his delusional and sexual fantasies, while people he has used to get there remain unprotected, afraid, financially ruined, and struggling to survive on multiple fronts.

To those who naively excuse Tim’s atrocious behavior as a matter of consent, of simply walking away, I am glad for your good fortune of never having been lured into an abusive relationship. When it comes to understanding the extent of predatory behaviors and grooming, the issue of “consent” is irrelevant. The very definition of grooming is the process of securing a target’s trust and manipulating that to get them to agree to things they would never otherwise consider. That’s what master manipulators do; they get you to conform to their beliefs and tactics, making the absurd seem normal and you seem absurd."
I didn't think Tim Ballard announced anything regarding a run for the senate. I understand there was a strong rumour based on something someone else said, but nothing from Tim himself. Did I miss something?
I think he or someone else announced it on a podcast or something? Edit: I think they just said he was considering it.

But how would he have known that Vice was doing the article the very next day? He most likely didn’t know.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 5:35 pm
by Seed Starter
Wolfwoman wrote: November 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm
Robin Hood wrote: November 4th, 2023, 5:03 pm
Seed Starter wrote: November 4th, 2023, 4:17 pm I just read about WW's (One of Tim's accusers) experiences. At the end she addresses why she came forward. I posted part of that. Look at the portions I made bold. I have made the point about the timing of Tim's senate run being used to give Tim cover a few times here but many people don't want to believe that. Tim said himself people were out to get him in July. Announcing a senate run (political ruse) in September so people would jump to conclusions is exactly what he did IMO. P.S. WW told Tim she was a victim of rape and he still put her through all this.

It's easy to see how he kept manipulating her even telling her she could be the face of OUR. This is one of the women who Tim told the Elder Ballard gave his blessing for the couples ruse. It sounds like Tim let things happen to her when that was never the plan. Tim was supposed to come to her aid since he knew Spanish. It doesn't sound like the couples ruse protected anyone. The ruse gave him access to these women (to save kids). Keep going if you want to save kids... The church knew they couldn't have Tim bringing one of the Q15 into this so they called him out publicly (distanced themselves) when they became aware some of these women were saying Tim told them Elder Ballard thought the couples ruse was cool. I think these women are going to win in the end.

"In the interest of and protection for all involved, we made every effort to maintain silence to the press and public regarding the specifics of Tim’s behavior and names of women abused. Despite our efforts, the press eventually got word of the investigation and drew it to public attention. Tim had not indicated a Senate run until—conveniently—the day before the press printed the leak about the wrapped investigation into his sexual misconduct. Tim malevolently linked his political announcement with allegations investigated and verified long before, inciting public anger and demand for Tim’s victims to step forth and defend ourselves—which has led to further victimization, especially without the resources for personal and/or legal protection.

I have never wanted to disappear from life this badly. It has been inexplicably debilitating to be so vulnerable, unsafe, and uncertain—and this is coming from a woman who dines with traffickers and cartel with intent to betray them. Rather than taking accountability or humbly making amends, Tim blamed his victims of attempting to ruin him without cause. Through his denials, Tim has divided families and friends, church members and political allies. Any man who has left devastation and destruction in his wake, and continues to vehemently lie and slander, should be compelled to make recompense when he has refused to do so voluntarily. Tim has spent years in luxury, traveling in fame and power, living out his delusional and sexual fantasies, while people he has used to get there remain unprotected, afraid, financially ruined, and struggling to survive on multiple fronts.

To those who naively excuse Tim’s atrocious behavior as a matter of consent, of simply walking away, I am glad for your good fortune of never having been lured into an abusive relationship. When it comes to understanding the extent of predatory behaviors and grooming, the issue of “consent” is irrelevant. The very definition of grooming is the process of securing a target’s trust and manipulating that to get them to agree to things they would never otherwise consider. That’s what master manipulators do; they get you to conform to their beliefs and tactics, making the absurd seem normal and you seem absurd."
I didn't think Tim Ballard announced anything regarding a run for the senate. I understand there was a strong rumour based on something someone else said, but nothing from Tim himself. Did I miss something?
I think he or someone else announced it on a podcast or something? Edit: I think they just said he was considering it.

But how would he have known that Vice was doing the article the very next day? He most likely didn’t know.
Coincidence? I'm sure Tim knew people being questioned for the vice story and they may have been told when it was coming out. I think its reasonable to assume he could have been tipped off.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 5:37 pm
by Seed Starter
Robin Hood wrote: November 4th, 2023, 5:03 pm
Seed Starter wrote: November 4th, 2023, 4:17 pm I just read about WW's (One of Tim's accusers) experiences. At the end she addresses why she came forward. I posted part of that. Look at the portions I made bold. I have made the point about the timing of Tim's senate run being used to give Tim cover a few times here but many people don't want to believe that. Tim said himself people were out to get him in July. Announcing a senate run (political ruse) in September so people would jump to conclusions is exactly what he did IMO. P.S. WW told Tim she was a victim of rape and he still put her through all this.

It's easy to see how he kept manipulating her even telling her she could be the face of OUR. This is one of the women who Tim told the Elder Ballard gave his blessing for the couples ruse. It sounds like Tim let things happen to her when that was never the plan. Tim was supposed to come to her aid since he knew Spanish. It doesn't sound like the couples ruse protected anyone. The ruse gave him access to these women (to save kids). Keep going if you want to save kids... The church knew they couldn't have Tim bringing one of the Q15 into this so they called him out publicly (distanced themselves) when they became aware some of these women were saying Tim told them Elder Ballard thought the couples ruse was cool. I think these women are going to win in the end.

"In the interest of and protection for all involved, we made every effort to maintain silence to the press and public regarding the specifics of Tim’s behavior and names of women abused. Despite our efforts, the press eventually got word of the investigation and drew it to public attention. Tim had not indicated a Senate run until—conveniently—the day before the press printed the leak about the wrapped investigation into his sexual misconduct. Tim malevolently linked his political announcement with allegations investigated and verified long before, inciting public anger and demand for Tim’s victims to step forth and defend ourselves—which has led to further victimization, especially without the resources for personal and/or legal protection.

I have never wanted to disappear from life this badly. It has been inexplicably debilitating to be so vulnerable, unsafe, and uncertain—and this is coming from a woman who dines with traffickers and cartel with intent to betray them. Rather than taking accountability or humbly making amends, Tim blamed his victims of attempting to ruin him without cause. Through his denials, Tim has divided families and friends, church members and political allies. Any man who has left devastation and destruction in his wake, and continues to vehemently lie and slander, should be compelled to make recompense when he has refused to do so voluntarily. Tim has spent years in luxury, traveling in fame and power, living out his delusional and sexual fantasies, while people he has used to get there remain unprotected, afraid, financially ruined, and struggling to survive on multiple fronts.

To those who naively excuse Tim’s atrocious behavior as a matter of consent, of simply walking away, I am glad for your good fortune of never having been lured into an abusive relationship. When it comes to understanding the extent of predatory behaviors and grooming, the issue of “consent” is irrelevant. The very definition of grooming is the process of securing a target’s trust and manipulating that to get them to agree to things they would never otherwise consider. That’s what master manipulators do; they get you to conform to their beliefs and tactics, making the absurd seem normal and you seem absurd."
I didn't think Tim Ballard announced anything regarding a run for the senate. I understand there was a strong rumour based on something someone else said, but nothing from Tim himself. Did I miss something?
To clarify, Tim didn't announce, he had AG Reyes announce for him on Twitter.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 5:43 pm
by Seed Starter
I guess it's a family business... This is one woman's testimony of her experience proving herself in SLC strip clubs. Also Tim said his dad gave him a pill before coming along on the adventure. Tim did the same and drank on other OPS apparently.

At the last club we went to, (redacted) and Tim were in the back by themselves in a private room. Tim had asked (redacted) to give him a lap dance. She was supposed to show him that she could do the job— so even though she was hesitant, she did it in order to prove herself. She started giving him a lap dance, but shortly after she started, Ballard’s son ended up coming inside. He walked into the club's back room and saw his dad and (redacted) together like that. It made me extremely upset because (redacted) had not wanted to do it in the first place and had been reassured multiple times that Ballard’s son would not be coming inside or see them acting out the COUPLES RUSE. (Redacted)was freaking out a bit and came and told me what had happened

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 4th, 2023, 6:00 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
So, I know this may be a silly question, but how can this line 71 info be validated?