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Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 5th, 2023, 9:16 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
There are ways to resolve this conundrum… :)

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 5th, 2023, 9:50 pm
by Atrasado
Fred wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:52 am Having watched several Tim Ballard videos, most of which are repetitive and boring, this one is a bit different. The Nuancehoe has a way with words...
Do you feel as exploited as I do? Well, as I would feel, if I were wealthy and had had my tithing information sold, well not even sold, donated by the Church to Tim Ballard. I mean, the bake sale donors would feel pretty exploited, too. I suppose.

Wow. Just wow.

[Main Stream Mormon] Thank heavens we have prophets and apostles to keep these sort of things from happening in the Church. Wait a minute...the apostles are the ones that gave OUR the tithing data? Hmmm. That doesn't compute. Must delete obviously true yet still deeply false accusations from brain.

Ahhh...that's better.

I'm so glad we have prophets and apostles that keep us safe from from Tammy and Jim Baker and wolves in sheep's clothing.

____
Look, God is real and the Book of Mormon is clearly the word of God. It doesn't mean that these seemingly pious men are really men of God. That's where I got stuck. I thought one implied the other, and that's not the case. Look to God and live. Not to those moral derelicts sitting in Moses' seat.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 5th, 2023, 9:56 pm
by Fred
Atrasado wrote: November 5th, 2023, 9:50 pm
Fred wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:52 am Having watched several Tim Ballard videos, most of which are repetitive and boring, this one is a bit different. The Nuancehoe has a way with words...
Do you feel as exploited as I do? Well, as I would feel, if I were wealthy and had had my tithing information sold, well not even sold, donated by the Church to Tim Ballard. I mean, the bake sale donors would feel pretty exploited, too. I suppose.

Wow. Just wow.

[Main Stream Mormon] Thank heavens we have prophets and apostles to keep these sort of things from happening in the Church. Wait a minute...the apostles are the ones that gave OUR the tithing data? Hmmm. That doesn't compute. Must delete obviously true yet still deeply false accusations from brain.

Ahhh...that's better.

I'm so glad we have prophets and apostles that keep us safe from from Tammy and Jim Baker and wolves in sheep's clothing.

____
Look, God is real and the Book of Mormon is clearly the word of God. It doesn't mean that these seemingly pious men are really men of God. That's where I got stuck. I thought one implied the other, and that's not the case. Look to God and live. Not to those moral derelicts sitting in Moses' seat.
Same as church leaders in Jesus day...

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 6th, 2023, 12:04 am
by Seed Starter
Fred wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:52 am Having watched several Tim Ballard videos, most of which are repetitive and boring, this one is a bit different. The Nuancehoe has a way with words...
This lady is pretty awesome! Something I missed that she pointed out in the video is this gem:

"79. Beck, along with Attorney General Reyes, (who should have been looking at arresting and prosecuting Tim Ballard after the sexual assaults and fund raising being thrown upon the citizens of the state of Utah by Tim Ballard), became a fixer for Tim Ballard when the extent of his sexual depravity became known to the Mormon Church."

Look back at my post about Reyes hinting at Tim's senate run 2 days before the Vice story came out. He was helping Tim fix things by announcing to draw fire away from Tim right before that news broke and the church came out against Tim. Not only that but the fixing went all the way back to the Davis county investigation. Of course those records are sealed due to grand jury info supposedly. I think Reyes is going to run for AG again. Things might get pretty ugly when certain things are revealed.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 6th, 2023, 2:13 pm
by Hiker

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 6th, 2023, 3:37 pm
by Wolfwoman
Fred wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:52 am Having watched several Tim Ballard videos, most of which are repetitive and boring, this one is a bit different. The Nuancehoe has a way with words...
This chick is so annoying. I only made it through the first 10 minutes before I had to shut it off. I remember seeing her on John Dehlin’s show before too, and I thought she was annoying then too.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 6th, 2023, 4:51 pm
by Fred
Wolfwoman wrote: November 6th, 2023, 3:37 pm
Fred wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:52 am Having watched several Tim Ballard videos, most of which are repetitive and boring, this one is a bit different. The Nuancehoe has a way with words...
This chick is so annoying. I only made it through the first 10 minutes before I had to shut it off. I remember seeing her on John Dehlin’s show before too, and I thought she was annoying then too.
I have turned her off several times myself for being boring. I thought this one was different. To each their own.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 6th, 2023, 5:00 pm
by sushi_chef
what happened to good ship zion thing??
the love of wealth caught him too???!!


2015/10/1 -Commandments and covenants are priceless truths and doctrines found in the Old Ship Zion, where God is at the helm.
2014/10/5 -Drawing from the words of President Brigham Young who used the term “the Old Ship Zion” as a metaphor for the Church, Elder Ballard said ...
2014/10/24 -First Elder Ballard shared a familiar narrative: The Old Ship Zion. We are all in a boat representing the church and we must hold tightly to ...
I was very impressed by Elder M. Russell Ballard's talk, “Stay in the Boat and Hold On,” given in the Sunday afternoon session of the ...
Stay in the 'Old Ship Zion' - The Daily Universe
2014/10/7 -Russell Ballard, likening life to a rafting trip down a raging river. ... He used the analogy of staying on the “Old Ship Zion,” a metaphor ...
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""But it’s this idea that the church is hiding something, that we would have to say as two apostles who have covered the world and know the history of the church and know the integrity of the First Presidency and the quorum of the twelve from the beginning of time. There has been no attempt on the part, in any way, of the church leaders trying to hide anything from anybody.
...
"So, just trust us, wherever you are in the world and you share this message with anyone else who raises the question about the church not being transparent. We’re as transparent as we know how to be in telling the truth."
M. Russell Ballard, November 19, 2017 Face to Face Broadcast (1:43:40)

"Do not listen to those who entice you with get-rich schemes. Our members have lost far too much money, so be careful." - M. Russell Ballard (October 2017)

Gone are the days when a student asked an honest question and a teacher responded, “Don’t worry about it!” Gone are the days when a student raised a sincere concern and a teacher bore his or her testimony as a response intended to avoid the issue. Gone are the days when students were protected from people who attacked the Church.
From one of the most important talks of the last decade: The Opportunities and Responsibilities of CES Teachers in the 21st Century
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https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comment ... ney_quote/


""Benjamin Franklin Johnson“Of Brigham Young as President of the Church, I will again bear this as a faithful testimony that I do know and bear record that upon the head of Brigham Young as chief, with the Apostleship in full, was by the voice of the Prophet Joseph in my hearing, laid the full responsibility of bearing of[f] the kingdom of God to all the world . . . . [When Brigham Young first met Joseph Smith and spoke in tongues in the Adamic languaue the Prophet] at that time, made the prediction upon the head of Brigham Young that ‘at some period he would become the leader of the Church, and that there would be one danger to beset him, and that would be his love of wealth.’ These things were told to me by [Lyman R.] Sherman [i.e., Johnson’s brother-in-law] at near the time of their occurrence” (E. Dale LeBaron, Benjamin Franklin Johnson: Friend to the Prophets [Provo, Utah: Grandin Book Co., 1997], 232, 233).
""
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Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 6th, 2023, 5:09 pm
by fractal_light_harvest
Fred wrote: November 6th, 2023, 4:51 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: November 6th, 2023, 3:37 pm
Fred wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:52 am Having watched several Tim Ballard videos, most of which are repetitive and boring, this one is a bit different. The Nuancehoe has a way with words...
This chick is so annoying. I only made it through the first 10 minutes before I had to shut it off. I remember seeing her on John Dehlin’s show before too, and I thought she was annoying then too.
I have turned her off several times myself for being boring. I thought this one was different. To each their own.
Ya I find her to be hit or miss. Sometimes she’s coming at it from a pretty liberal perspective I feel but her info can be good at times imo.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 7th, 2023, 4:50 am
by Mamabear
“Senior Latter-day Saint apostle ‘never released tithing records,’ church states“

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/11 ... t-apostle/

“A senior apostle with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints “has never released tithing records to Operation Underground Railroad or any other organization,” a church spokesperson said Monday.

This denial comes in response to allegations — included in a new filing in a lawsuit against OUR and the group’s founder, Tim Ballard — that Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings told OUR attorneys he had “evidence” that senior apostle M. Russell Ballard and/or other “church authorities” had provided the records to help the nonprofit anti-sex-trafficking organization target large donors or wealthy Latter-day Saint congregations.”

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 7th, 2023, 8:36 am
by Ebenezer
Mamabear wrote: November 7th, 2023, 4:50 am “Senior Latter-day Saint apostle ‘never released tithing records,’ church states“

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/11 ... t-apostle/

“A senior apostle with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints “has never released tithing records to Operation Underground Railroad or any other organization,” a church spokesperson said Monday.

This denial comes in response to allegations — included in a new filing in a lawsuit against OUR and the group’s founder, Tim Ballard — that Davis County Attorney Troy Rawlings told OUR attorneys he had “evidence” that senior apostle M. Russell Ballard and/or other “church authorities” had provided the records to help the nonprofit anti-sex-trafficking organization target large donors or wealthy Latter-day Saint congregations.”
Ok but did his secretary?

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 7th, 2023, 9:43 am
by OPMissionary
Atrasado wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:00 am Think about all of this. Tim Ballard has a known associate of Gordon Bowen, Russ Ballard, as his good friend, protector, and investor. He has Sean Reyes, a well documented scumbag as his attorney general thug. He has other members of the Q15 as friends and investors. He has billionaires coming on his immoral cosplay adventures. He worked for the CIA and Homeland Security. This smells like TB is a cabalist, just like Bowen, Hamblin, Romney, and Leavitt. How else would he get away with this much crap for so long?

After all, these are sophisticated people and would do whatever they needed to do to vet TB. So, I'm reasonably confident they knew exactly what Ballard was doing, and were more than fine with it. Romney and Bowen coming after him is probably just a family fight. That's why he might lose in civil court, but nothing will really come of all this.

I wonder who he angered and how for them to turn on him like this.
My only devil's advocate question is why are TPTB not circling the wagons around him then?

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 7th, 2023, 10:29 am
by Dusty Wanderer
sushi_chef wrote: November 6th, 2023, 5:00 pm
""Benjamin Franklin Johnson“Of Brigham Young as President of the Church, I will again bear this as a faithful testimony that I do know and bear record that upon the head of Brigham Young as chief, with the Apostleship in full, was by the voice of the Prophet Joseph in my hearing, laid the full responsibility of bearing of[f] the kingdom of God to all the world . . . . [When Brigham Young first met Joseph Smith and spoke in tongues in the Adamic languaue the Prophet] at that time, made the prediction upon the head of Brigham Young that ‘at some period he would become the leader of the Church, and that there would be one danger to beset him, and that would be his love of wealth.’ These things were told to me by [Lyman R.] Sherman [i.e., Johnson’s brother-in-law] at near the time of their occurrence” (E. Dale LeBaron, Benjamin Franklin Johnson: Friend to the Prophets [Provo, Utah: Grandin Book Co., 1997], 232, 233).
""
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sushi, why did you include this quote from BFJ at the end? I might be missing the connection here.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 7th, 2023, 10:30 am
by Atrasado
OPMissionary wrote: November 7th, 2023, 9:43 am
Atrasado wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:00 am Think about all of this. Tim Ballard has a known associate of Gordon Bowen, Russ Ballard, as his good friend, protector, and investor. He has Sean Reyes, a well documented scumbag as his attorney general thug. He has other members of the Q15 as friends and investors. He has billionaires coming on his immoral cosplay adventures. He worked for the CIA and Homeland Security. This smells like TB is a cabalist, just like Bowen, Hamblin, Romney, and Leavitt. How else would he get away with this much crap for so long?

After all, these are sophisticated people and would do whatever they needed to do to vet TB. So, I'm reasonably confident they knew exactly what Ballard was doing, and were more than fine with it. Romney and Bowen coming after him is probably just a family fight. That's why he might lose in civil court, but nothing will really come of all this.

I wonder who he angered and how for them to turn on him like this.
My only devil's advocate question is why are TPTB not circling the wagons around him then?
We think of the cabalists as monolithic. Although there is a master secret combination (see Ether 8:24 for evidence of this) the glimpse inside the "LDS Church of Satan" given through the Hamblin Sisters' witness statements leads me to believe that most of the time these secret combinations work in conjunction with each other, but not always in a lock-step fashion. It seems there can be disagreements and often rivalries inside these groups. Also, from the witness statements we read that members can be excommunicated from the groups, and one of the main crimes meriting excommunication is drawing too much attention. Tim Ballard is nothing if not a hound for attention.

When David Hamblin started drawing too much attention apparently the LDSCoS Provo High Council excommunicated him, forced David and Rosie Hamblin to get divorced even though they didn't want to, and told the two older girls (if I remember correctly) that they could testify in court that Hamblin had abused and raped them, although they were given strict instructions that they could not mention anything else in court. Hamblin was told that no criminal proceedings would come out, but they wanted Hamblin to be humiliated.

Go-el made an allegation that Gordon Bowen was behind the letter that was sent to Vice News outing Tim Ballard and that the Hamblin sisters have alleged that Gordon Bowen was the punisher of the SLC LDSCoS High Council. It would make sense, then, that Bowen would be involved if Tim Ballard was excommunicated from the LDSCoS. That being said, they can't afford to take things too far. Prosecuting Tim Ballard would open up a can of worms that the LDSCoS would for obvious reasons prefer to remain closed. This is the exact reason the Hamblin sisters said that their father was not prosecuted, and it's why I surmise that Tim Ballard won't be prosecuted either.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 7th, 2023, 3:43 pm
by sushi_chef
>> sushi, why did you include this quote from BFJ

ummmm, prolly because church leaders rely on the wealth, wealthy donators ... to the extent of love of ..
or church system relies on ..

also, recalls site-manager of mormonstruth-org, davis mentioned his father's church assignment was a contacter/approacher/communicater to the wealthy lds members/donators and one of them was by name rothschild in france?!
(church has wealthy members list)

mormostruth info ..
"
“Many mourned the unexpected death of President Harold B. Lee. In November 19, 1973 President Harold B. Lee had signed documents for dissolving the Corporation of the President. (These documents are included with our Original Book of Mormon CD which contains many key documents.) President Lee was repenting for being a money changer and wanted to get the Apostles out of the money business. All President Lee needed to do was present this dissolution at April, 1974 General Conference, in compliance to D&C 26. It is for the Presiding Bishopric to be in charge of the temporal affairs for the church, according to the Doctrine and Covenants of the Church. Five weeks after his noble act, President Lee mysteriously dies. In 1973, the United States Government (Federal Bureau of Investigation) initiated an investigation into the suspicious death of President Lee. Many incriminating documents were destroyed in an unexpected fire, but also unexplained deaths of potential witnesses occurred. President Lee’s death was not “normal” since he had no history of heart or vascular problems and entered the hospital for lower back pain. Some Mormon and Biblical Scholars wondered if President Lee was the fulfillment of prophesies in Deuteronomy 18:20-22 and D&C 85:8 about a fallen Prophet. Officials of the United States wanted to know if President Harold B. Lee had been murdered. An anonymous person who fears his life, gained in depth information about the untimely death of President Lee years later while consulting with a former nurse of the same hospital President Lee had stayed in. The nurse was interrogated for hours by the F.B.I.. This person was told by the nurse that the F.B.I. believed that this was a murder, but because of the high profile entities implicated, the case was closed and the investigation not pursued.”
(http://www.mormonstruth
..
I’ve also learned a ton from the mormonstruth.org and its sister sites (even met Steve and Karen Davis face-to-face and they are awe
..
"
https://zomarah.wordpress.com/2010/11/1 ... nd-strong/
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Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 7th, 2023, 4:38 pm
by OPMissionary
Atrasado wrote: November 7th, 2023, 10:30 am
OPMissionary wrote: November 7th, 2023, 9:43 am
Atrasado wrote: November 5th, 2023, 10:00 am Think about all of this. Tim Ballard has a known associate of Gordon Bowen, Russ Ballard, as his good friend, protector, and investor. He has Sean Reyes, a well documented scumbag as his attorney general thug. He has other members of the Q15 as friends and investors. He has billionaires coming on his immoral cosplay adventures. He worked for the CIA and Homeland Security. This smells like TB is a cabalist, just like Bowen, Hamblin, Romney, and Leavitt. How else would he get away with this much crap for so long?

After all, these are sophisticated people and would do whatever they needed to do to vet TB. So, I'm reasonably confident they knew exactly what Ballard was doing, and were more than fine with it. Romney and Bowen coming after him is probably just a family fight. That's why he might lose in civil court, but nothing will really come of all this.

I wonder who he angered and how for them to turn on him like this.
My only devil's advocate question is why are TPTB not circling the wagons around him then?
We think of the cabalists as monolithic. Although there is a master secret combination (see Ether 8:24 for evidence of this) the glimpse inside the "LDS Church of Satan" given through the Hamblin Sisters' witness statements leads me to believe that most of the time these secret combinations work in conjunction with each other, but not always in a lock-step fashion. It seems there can be disagreements and often rivalries inside these groups. Also, from the witness statements we read that members can be excommunicated from the groups, and one of the main crimes meriting excommunication is drawing too much attention. Tim Ballard is nothing if not a hound for attention.

When David Hamblin started drawing too much attention apparently the LDSCoS Provo High Council excommunicated him, forced David and Rosie Hamblin to get divorced even though they didn't want to, and told the two older girls (if I remember correctly) that they could testify in court that Hamblin had abused and raped them, although they were given strict instructions that they could not mention anything else in court. Hamblin was told that no criminal proceedings would come out, but they wanted Hamblin to be humiliated.

Go-el made an allegation that Gordon Bowen was behind the letter that was sent to Vice News outing Tim Ballard and that the Hamblin sisters have alleged that Gordon Bowen was the punisher of the SLC LDSCoS High Council. It would make sense, then, that Bowen would be involved if Tim Ballard was excommunicated from the LDSCoS. That being said, they can't afford to take things too far. Prosecuting Tim Ballard would open up a can of worms that the LDSCoS would for obvious reasons prefer to remain closed. This is the exact reason the Hamblin sisters said that their father was not prosecuted, and it's why I surmise that Tim Ballard won't be prosecuted either.
I have never heard of the Hamblin sisters personally.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 7th, 2023, 5:22 pm
by Atrasado
OPMissionary wrote: November 7th, 2023, 4:38 pm
Atrasado wrote: November 7th, 2023, 10:30 am
OPMissionary wrote: November 7th, 2023, 9:43 am

My only devil's advocate question is why are TPTB not circling the wagons around him then?
We think of the cabalists as monolithic. Although there is a master secret combination (see Ether 8:24 for evidence of this) the glimpse inside the "LDS Church of Satan" given through the Hamblin Sisters' witness statements leads me to believe that most of the time these secret combinations work in conjunction with each other, but not always in a lock-step fashion. It seems there can be disagreements and often rivalries inside these groups. Also, from the witness statements we read that members can be excommunicated from the groups, and one of the main crimes meriting excommunication is drawing too much attention. Tim Ballard is nothing if not a hound for attention.

When David Hamblin started drawing too much attention apparently the LDSCoS Provo High Council excommunicated him, forced David and Rosie Hamblin to get divorced even though they didn't want to, and told the two older girls (if I remember correctly) that they could testify in court that Hamblin had abused and raped them, although they were given strict instructions that they could not mention anything else in court. Hamblin was told that no criminal proceedings would come out, but they wanted Hamblin to be humiliated.

Go-el made an allegation that Gordon Bowen was behind the letter that was sent to Vice News outing Tim Ballard and that the Hamblin sisters have alleged that Gordon Bowen was the punisher of the SLC LDSCoS High Council. It would make sense, then, that Bowen would be involved if Tim Ballard was excommunicated from the LDSCoS. That being said, they can't afford to take things too far. Prosecuting Tim Ballard would open up a can of worms that the LDSCoS would for obvious reasons prefer to remain closed. This is the exact reason the Hamblin sisters said that their father was not prosecuted, and it's why I surmise that Tim Ballard won't be prosecuted either.
I have never heard of the Hamblin sisters personally.
Go to thelastamericanvagabond.com and read the Utah Ritualized Abuse Investigation. They have the witness statements embedded in one of the pages.

Go El also has written extensively on this.

Go slowly when reading this. It's a lot to wrap your head around. And, as always: readers be advised that the things in these pages are horrible and will scar you to read them.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 8th, 2023, 8:54 pm
by Teancum1
Seed Starter wrote: November 4th, 2023, 1:33 pm
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:57 am Don’t believe me? Check out this amended lawsuit in the Tim Ballard saga: https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case

Now go to line 71 and you’ll read:

The Davis County Investigation, according to OUR’s own internal documents, revealed that Elder M. Russell Ballard and other authorities from the Mormon Church, provided Mormon tithing records to OUR to help OUR target wealthy donors and wealthy Mormon Church Wards.

Also of interest is a letter included from Glenn Beck addressed to Tim Ballard on page 16, I’ve included a screenshot below. He has direct contact to apostle Neal Anderson who promises to get back to him soon, probably for damage control of Tim’s reputation spiraling out of control. How many of you can contact anyone in the Q15 at will and have them answer any questions? Didn’t think so.
Wow! That's slightly damning. I thought this was interesting at the beginning:

"Plaintiffs bring these claims using pseudonyms pursuant to protect their safety from the general public and from the Defendants, given their propensity to intimidate those who dare to stand up to them. These are not the real initials of the victims. Once a proper protective order is in place, Plaintiffs will provide their identifying information to Defendants. Given that Ballard committed the acts complained of, he already knows their identities and despite his efforts to blast his face in social and mainstream media, should understand the importance of keeping the identity of a scared and sexually victimized women, private. Likewise, Defendant The Spear Fund, an alter-ego of Tim Ballard, issued a statement to the press stating that it knows the identities of these women."

I think we will know who these women and one man are by the end of this.

Point 2: Holy cow that's a lot of defendants!

Point 3: Holy crap read this stuff from the lawsuit.

51. OUR began claiming credit on its webpage and blog posts for work that other organizations were performing. See Exhibit G.
52. When these organizations started criticizing OUR on social media for its fraudulent hijacking of Plaintiff’s organization’s work, OUR and Tim Ballard began attacking them.
53. Some of these organizations reached out to the Davis County Investigation team based upon their experiences with OUR’s and Tim Ballard’s dishonesty and attacks, and what OUR was actually doing.
54. The Davis County Attorneys’ office issued subpoenas to some of these Complainants for them to provide certain documents and testimony related to its investigation of OUR. See Exhibit H.
55. Upon learning of these complaints, Attorney General Reyes would step in, and rather than investigate what OUR and Tim Ballard were doing, would intimidate the complainants
56. Some of these complainants became very nervous, which anxiety was justified as both Plaintiff and Troy Rawlings were threatened with a lawsuit by OUR and Tim Ballard, and OUR and Tim Ballard hired a law firm in San Fransisco to sue Troy Rawlings.
57. At this same time, others who had made complaints against OUR and Tim Ballard (critical and highly credible witnesses), began withdrawing their complaints based upon fear of retribution by OUR and Tim Ballard, thus impeding the Davis County Investigation. See Exhibit I.
58. The Davis County Investigation revealed that OUR and Tim Ballard were aware that allegations were being made that Ballard failed his CIA polygraph test, was on an unpaid intern at the CIA, and was fired from the CIA. See Exhibit J at p. 6, 58 (b).
59. OUR and Tim Ballard were aware that eight different women had complained to the Davis County Investigation that Ballard had engaged in sexual affairs with them. Id. at p. 6, 58 (a).
60. OUR and Tim Ballard were aware that the Davis County Attorney believed that Katherine Ballard had tampered with witnesses to impede them from cooperation with the Davis County Investigation. Id. at p. 7, 58 (f). 12
61. Troy Rawlings also believed that General Reyes “was guilty of witness tampering.”
62. Rawlings alleged to have written communications from AG Reyes to a witness requesting the witness not to cooperate with Rawlings in the Investigation.” Id. at p. 7, 58 (h).
63. OUR went to its de facto general counsel, Sean Reyes, and asked that a special prosecutor be appointed to prosecute Troy Rawlings. See Exhibit K.
64. Troy Rawlings went to Attorney General Sean Reyes and informed him of OUR’s threat to sue him, which General Reyes immediately informed Tim Ballard and OUR of Troy Rawlings’ concerns and deemed Mr. Rawlings’ statements as “false.” See Exhibit J at p. 5, 49.
65. Even as more fraud complaints came into General Reyes, he would immediately send them to Tim Ballard on his personal email, instead of his official Utah email. See Exhibit L.
66. At this time, Tim Ballard was ignoring his in-house counsel’s advice that what he was doing was illegal and unethical and could subject him to criminal liability from the Davis County Investigation and the Department of Justice. See Exhibit M.
67. Ballard claims to be blessed by Thom Harrison, both while Thom was alive, and through Spear President Ken Krogue, claiming to anoint Ballard as a chosen one, not subject to the jurisdiction of government and church authorities. See Exhibits N and O.
68. Ballard has been, until recently, business associates and close friends with Apostle and Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles M. Russell Ballard (“President Ballard”) of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

It looks like Katherine may have been involved in wrongdoing and seeing photos in a lawsuit was refreshing.
I am so saddened by Ballards lies and deception. We were so moved by the movie and now any traction that might have been gained has been erased.
Another bit of proof that you can’t trust any man.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R

Posted: November 8th, 2023, 9:18 pm
by creator
fractal_light_harvest wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:52 amThese are all pretty valid concerns to my mind also. I am somewhat bent out of shape about it.
Meanwhile some of us have known how shady Tim is for the past 10 years. But it was a sacred cow for many people.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R

Posted: November 8th, 2023, 9:31 pm
by fractal_light_harvest
creator wrote: November 8th, 2023, 9:18 pm
fractal_light_harvest wrote: November 4th, 2023, 11:52 amThese are all pretty valid concerns to my mind also. I am somewhat bent out of shape about it.
Meanwhile some of us have known how shady Tim is for the past 10 years. But it was a sacred cow for many people.
He did seem just a bit “off” to me but I thought it was just pride/conceit or having a spotlight-loving type personality. I never imagined he was up to all he’s been accused of. Or that church leadership was as connected as claimed!

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 8th, 2023, 11:53 pm
by Great8
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 6:56 pm
Seed Starter wrote: November 4th, 2023, 6:37 pm
Bonhoeffer wrote: November 4th, 2023, 6:19 pm

He most surely knew since he was let go from OUR in June or July. He says he resigned but he was forced out and according to this lawsuit he was allowed to choose the replacement CEO so maybe he still has his hand in the cookie jar so-to-speak. It looks from Glenn’s letter to him that his running for senator was also in the works.
So crazy. I found it interesting he had family members on the board who let him leave without consequence other than leaving OUR. I honestly think the Brian Black alias (Tim's alias) helped him compartmentalize good Tim from bad Tim quite nicely. Tim Ballad didn't break covenants, Brian did... He's still responsible of course but I think that happened. I also found it interesting WW (I think) mentioned how Tim's wife arrived in BVI as a surprise and Tim ignored WW (ruse wife) and how odd that was to watch. If it was all professional why the cold shoulder when his wife shows up for a week?
I haven’t read that yet, which lawsuit was that info in (of his wife visiting)?

Also, regarding “Brian Black,” reminds me of a certain “Pierre Delecto.” Wonder if he’s had his 2nd anointing and so he thinks he’s good? That or the crazy blessings he was given by Thom Harrison (author of Visions of Glory) gave him greater delusions of grandeur making him a savior in his own eyes. Those blessings can be found on pages 225 (exhibit N) and 229 (exhibit O) of the amended lawsuit https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case
Pierre got his black eye. So I think he is ‘good’ now.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 9th, 2023, 9:47 am
by Robin Hood
If this is true it is clearly in contravention of data protection laws. Not sure how tight they are in the US, but this would be a major breach, warranting criminal prosecution over here.

Re: Church gave tithing info of wealthy members to O.U.R.

Posted: November 9th, 2023, 4:34 pm
by silverado
Robin Hood wrote: November 9th, 2023, 9:47 am If this is true it is clearly in contravention of data protection laws. Not sure how tight they are in the US, but this would be a major breach, warranting criminal prosecution over here.
The church response was not to simply deny it, but to refer to what the handbook says about tithing confidentiality. That, to me looks guilty.