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Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:35 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:03 pm

I didn't think Tim Ballard announced anything regarding a run for the senate. I understand there was a strong rumour based on something someone else said, but nothing from Tim himself. Did I miss something?

I think he or someone else announced it on a podcast or something? Edit: I think they just said he was considering it.

But how would he have known that Vice was doing the article the very next day? He most likely didn’t know.

Coincidence? I'm sure Tim knew people being questioned for the vice story and they may have been told when it was coming out. I think its reasonable to assume he could have been tipped off.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:00 pm So, I know this may be a silly question, but how can this line 71 info be validated?

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:00 pm So, I know this may be a silly question, but how can this line 71 info be validated?

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:43 pm I guess it's a family business... This is one woman's testimony of her experience proving herself in SLC strip clubs. Also Tim said his dad gave him a pill before coming along on the adventure. Tim did the same and drank on other OPS apparently.

At the last club we went to, (redacted) and Tim were in the back by themselves in a private room. Tim had asked (redacted) to give him a lap dance. She was supposed to show him that she could do the job— so even though she was hesitant, she did it in order to prove herself. She started giving him a lap dance, but shortly after she started, Ballard’s son ended up coming inside. He walked into the club's back room and saw his dad and (redacted) together like that. It made me extremely upset because (redacted) had not wanted to do it in the first place and had been reassured multiple times that Ballard’s son would not be coming inside or see them acting out the COUPLES RUSE. (Redacted)was freaking out a bit and came and told me what had happened

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:19 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:35 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm

I think he or someone else announced it on a podcast or something? Edit: I think they just said he was considering it.

But how would he have known that Vice was doing the article the very next day? He most likely didn’t know.

Coincidence? I'm sure Tim knew people being questioned for the vice story and they may have been told when it was coming out. I think its reasonable to assume he could have been tipped off.

He most surely knew since he was let go from OUR in June or July. He says he resigned but he was forced out and according to this lawsuit he was allowed to choose the replacement CEO so maybe he still has his hand in the cookie jar so-to-speak. It looks from Glenn’s letter to him that his running for senator was also in the works.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:35 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:43 pm I guess it's a family business... This is one woman's testimony of her experience proving herself in SLC strip clubs. Also Tim said his dad gave him a pill before coming along on the adventure. Tim did the same and drank on other OPS apparently.

At the last club we went to, (redacted) and Tim were in the back by themselves in a private room. Tim had asked (redacted) to give him a lap dance. She was supposed to show him that she could do the job— so even though she was hesitant, she did it in order to prove herself. She started giving him a lap dance, but shortly after she started, Ballard’s son ended up coming inside. He walked into the club's back room and saw his dad and (redacted) together like that. It made me extremely upset because (redacted) had not wanted to do it in the first place and had been reassured multiple times that Ballard’s son would not be coming inside or see them acting out the COUPLES RUSE. (Redacted)was freaking out a bit and came and told me what had happened

Most of us read this weeks ago when it first came out.
Tim’s dad gave him a pill? I didn’t read that. I read that Tim gave his returned missionary son a pill when they went to the strip club.

pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm

A plot fit for a movie of this Caliber. Sean Reyes approves.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:35 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:43 pm I guess it's a family business... This is one woman's testimony of her experience proving herself in SLC strip clubs. Also Tim said his dad gave him a pill before coming along on the adventure. Tim did the same and drank on other OPS apparently.

At the last club we went to, (redacted) and Tim were in the back by themselves in a private room. Tim had asked (redacted) to give him a lap dance. She was supposed to show him that she could do the job— so even though she was hesitant, she did it in order to prove herself. She started giving him a lap dance, but shortly after she started, Ballard’s son ended up coming inside. He walked into the club's back room and saw his dad and (redacted) together like that. It made me extremely upset because (redacted) had not wanted to do it in the first place and had been reassured multiple times that Ballard’s son would not be coming inside or see them acting out the COUPLES RUSE. (Redacted)was freaking out a bit and came and told me what had happened

Most of us read this weeks ago when it first came out.
Tim’s dad gave him a pill? I didn’t read that. I read that Tim gave his returned missionary son a pill when they went to the strip club.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:35 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:43 pm I guess it's a family business... This is one woman's testimony of her experience proving herself in SLC strip clubs. Also Tim said his dad gave him a pill before coming along on the adventure. Tim did the same and drank on other OPS apparently.

At the last club we went to, (redacted) and Tim were in the back by themselves in a private room. Tim had asked (redacted) to give him a lap dance. She was supposed to show him that she could do the job— so even though she was hesitant, she did it in order to prove herself. She started giving him a lap dance, but shortly after she started, Ballard’s son ended up coming inside. He walked into the club's back room and saw his dad and (redacted) together like that. It made me extremely upset because (redacted) had not wanted to do it in the first place and had been reassured multiple times that Ballard’s son would not be coming inside or see them acting out the COUPLES RUSE. (Redacted)was freaking out a bit and came and told me what had happened

Most of us read this weeks ago when it first came out.
Tim’s dad gave him a pill? I didn’t read that. I read that Tim gave his returned missionary son a pill when they went to the strip club.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:37 pm

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:19 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:35 pm

Coincidence? I'm sure Tim knew people being questioned for the vice story and they may have been told when it was coming out. I think its reasonable to assume he could have been tipped off.

He most surely knew since he was let go from OUR in June or July. He says he resigned but he was forced out and according to this lawsuit he was allowed to choose the replacement CEO so maybe he still has his hand in the cookie jar so-to-speak. It looks from Glenn’s letter to him that his running for senator was also in the works.

So crazy. I found it interesting he had family members on the board who let him leave without consequence other than leaving OUR. I honestly think the Brian Black alias (Tim's alias) helped him compartmentalize good Tim from bad Tim quite nicely. Tim Ballad didn't break covenants, Brian did... He's still responsible of course but I think that happened. I also found it interesting WW (I think) mentioned how Tim's wife arrived in BVI as a surprise and Tim ignored WW (ruse wife) and how odd that was to watch. If it was all professional why the cold shoulder when his wife shows up for a week?

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:56 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:37 pm

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:19 pm

He most surely knew since he was let go from OUR in June or July. He says he resigned but he was forced out and according to this lawsuit he was allowed to choose the replacement CEO so maybe he still has his hand in the cookie jar so-to-speak. It looks from Glenn’s letter to him that his running for senator was also in the works.

So crazy. I found it interesting he had family members on the board who let him leave without consequence other than leaving OUR. I honestly think the Brian Black alias (Tim's alias) helped him compartmentalize good Tim from bad Tim quite nicely. Tim Ballad didn't break covenants, Brian did... He's still responsible of course but I think that happened. I also found it interesting WW (I think) mentioned how Tim's wife arrived in BVI as a surprise and Tim ignored WW (ruse wife) and how odd that was to watch. If it was all professional why the cold shoulder when his wife shows up for a week?

I haven’t read that yet, which lawsuit was that info in (of his wife visiting)?

Also, regarding “Brian Black,” reminds me of a certain “Pierre Delecto.” Wonder if he’s had his 2nd anointing and so he thinks he’s good? That or the crazy blessings he was given by Thom Harrison (author of Visions of Glory) gave him greater delusions of grandeur making him a savior in his own eyes. Those blessings can be found on pages 225 (exhibit N) and 229 (exhibit O) of the amended lawsuit https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 7:28 pm This is revolting. Found on page 48 of the amended lawsuit, WW’s statement:
“Ballard said that sometimes things would happen in his Couples Ruse and he would have to go ejaculate as things would get too steamy.”

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:42 pm

pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:26 pm

A plot fit for a movie of this Caliber. Sean Reyes approves.

ADAM WEST LOL

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:48 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:35 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:43 pm I guess it's a family business... This is one woman's testimony of her experience proving herself in SLC strip clubs. Also Tim said his dad gave him a pill before coming along on the adventure. Tim did the same and drank on other OPS apparently.

At the last club we went to, (redacted) and Tim were in the back by themselves in a private room. Tim had asked (redacted) to give him a lap dance. She was supposed to show him that she could do the job— so even though she was hesitant, she did it in order to prove herself. She started giving him a lap dance, but shortly after she started, Ballard’s son ended up coming inside. He walked into the club's back room and saw his dad and (redacted) together like that. It made me extremely upset because (redacted) had not wanted to do it in the first place and had been reassured multiple times that Ballard’s son would not be coming inside or see them acting out the COUPLES RUSE. (Redacted)was freaking out a bit and came and told me what had happened

Most of us read this weeks ago when it first came out.
Tim’s dad gave him a pill? I didn’t read that. I read that Tim gave his returned missionary son a pill when they went to the strip club.

Here is the section in question:
"We all had to constantly remain in character, even while interacting on the app. Tim and(redacted) were partners for the COUPLES RUSE training that night and Coop,(redacted) and I were a “throuple” for the COUPLES RUSE. While waiting to head out and start our training, at one point Ballard’s son came over to talk with us. He made a comment about how his dad had given him something to take (presumably some type of pill, but I’m unsure of what). He then said he felt high and was kind of laughing about it like it was no big deal. It really concerned me though.

I didn’t like that we were supposed to be pretending this was a real life scenario and that he would be out of it. If it was a real situation potentially out of the country, where lives depended on it, then I would be so anxious and scared. I would never be able to trust someone not in their right state of mind. Not to mention it disturbed me and was inappropriate that his dad had given it to him. At some point(I don't remember exactly when) Ballard told me that he would sometimes take something in order to deal with his stress and to help him get into character, as well as loosen up."

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:56 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:37 pm

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:19 pm

He most surely knew since he was let go from OUR in June or July. He says he resigned but he was forced out and according to this lawsuit he was allowed to choose the replacement CEO so maybe he still has his hand in the cookie jar so-to-speak. It looks from Glenn’s letter to him that his running for senator was also in the works.

So crazy. I found it interesting he had family members on the board who let him leave without consequence other than leaving OUR. I honestly think the Brian Black alias (Tim's alias) helped him compartmentalize good Tim from bad Tim quite nicely. Tim Ballad didn't break covenants, Brian did... He's still responsible of course but I think that happened. I also found it interesting WW (I think) mentioned how Tim's wife arrived in BVI as a surprise and Tim ignored WW (ruse wife) and how odd that was to watch. If it was all professional why the cold shoulder when his wife shows up for a week?

I haven’t read that yet, which lawsuit was that info in (of his wife visiting)?

Also, regarding “Brian Black,” reminds me of a certain “Pierre Delecto.” Wonder if he’s had his 2nd anointing and so he thinks he’s good? That or the crazy blessings he was given by Thom Harrison (author of Visions of Glory) gave him greater delusions of grandeur making him a savior in his own eyes. Those blessings can be found on pages 225 (exhibit N) and 229 (exhibit O) of the amended lawsuit https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 7:45 pm

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 7:28 pm This is revolting. Found on page 48 of the amended lawsuit, WW’s statement:
“Ballard said that sometimes things would happen in his Couples Ruse and he would have to go ejaculate as things would get too steamy.”

I feel like this is a game of grosser than gross but this is pretty bad. Don't read if you have trauma or don't want to read something explicit.

"I was trembling. I asked him multiple times to stop. He kept saying to me, “Just trust me, you can just trust me right now. All I could think to say was just stop, and ask him what going

on. He still had his hands underneath my shirt and pulled it off the top of my head. He said, “I just want to see. I just want to see.” At this point, he unclipped the back of my bra. I was trying to get up off the couch. I told him that it was hurting me. I wanted to get up. He was standing over me, so I was having a hard time standing up. I turned over on my stomach and finally stood up. As I was standing up, he took his shirt off and he grabbed me and hugged me. He said, “I just need to feel you. I just need to be skin-to-skin.” I was honestly terrified. I was not sure what to do. I felt scared. Nervous. I said, “Tim, this isn't you.” He yelled a little bit and he said, “I don't even know who I am. Nothing feels like me.” So I just kept saying, “Tim you're okay, you're okay.” I tried to back away as I was saying that. I thought maybe he was going to put his shirt on again. But instead he started following me.

I started walking towards my front door still with my shirt and bra off. He started telling me he knows that I want him, he knows that I can feel it too. He started undoing his pants and he took off his belt. I was backing up against my stairs. Before I could get even a few steps up, he grabbed me and pushed himself on top of me, so that I was lying against the stairs. He pulled down my pants, maybe to my knees or calves. I squeezed my legs together so he couldn’t get them off more or open my legs more. I don't remember if his pants were all the way off or just halfway down. He started grinding on me. I just remember squeezing my legs closed tight as I could. He started telling me how beautiful I am.

I was starting to feel like I was going to freeze up. I felt very trapped. I tried to get him to look me in the face. He wouldn't. He just kept almost talking to himself like he was talking himself into whatever mad state he was in. Finally, when he did look me in the face, said, “Tim, you don't want to do this. Please. Tim.”He stood up and zipped his pants up, grabbed his shirt, and walked out my front door. I'm not even sure if at first I thought that I was sexually assaulted. I think that I still felt bad for him. I remember wondering if I just had an affair. I remember thinking What did I do wrong?"

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 8:06 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:48 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:35 pm

Most of us read this weeks ago when it first came out.
Tim’s dad gave him a pill? I didn’t read that. I read that Tim gave his returned missionary son a pill when they went to the strip club.

Here is the section in question:
"We all had to constantly remain in character, even while interacting on the app. Tim and(redacted) were partners for the COUPLES RUSE training that night and Coop,(redacted) and I were a “throuple” for the COUPLES RUSE. While waiting to head out and start our training, at one point Ballard’s son came over to talk with us. He made a comment about how his dad had given him something to take (presumably some type of pill, but I’m unsure of what). He then said he felt high and was kind of laughing about it like it was no big deal. It really concerned me though.

I didn’t like that we were supposed to be pretending this was a real life scenario and that he would be out of it. If it was a real situation potentially out of the country, where lives depended on it, then I would be so anxious and scared. I would never be able to trust someone not in their right state of mind. Not to mention it disturbed me and was inappropriate that his dad had given it to him. At some point(I don't remember exactly when) Ballard told me that he would sometimes take something in order to deal with his stress and to help him get into character, as well as loosen up."

Yeah. I read all of this weeks ago.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:56 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:37 pm

So crazy. I found it interesting he had family members on the board who let him leave without consequence other than leaving OUR. I honestly think the Brian Black alias (Tim's alias) helped him compartmentalize good Tim from bad Tim quite nicely. Tim Ballad didn't break covenants, Brian did... He's still responsible of course but I think that happened. I also found it interesting WW (I think) mentioned how Tim's wife arrived in BVI as a surprise and Tim ignored WW (ruse wife) and how odd that was to watch. If it was all professional why the cold shoulder when his wife shows up for a week?

I haven’t read that yet, which lawsuit was that info in (of his wife visiting)?

Also, regarding “Brian Black,” reminds me of a certain “Pierre Delecto.” Wonder if he’s had his 2nd anointing and so he thinks he’s good? That or the crazy blessings he was given by Thom Harrison (author of Visions of Glory) gave him greater delusions of grandeur making him a savior in his own eyes. Those blessings can be found on pages 225 (exhibit N) and 229 (exhibit O) of the amended lawsuit https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case

He was excommunicated, so it’s highly unlikely that he had the second anointing.

tribrac wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 9:03 pm Wealthy members huh?
Whew, glad they won't be finding my name on that list.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 8:58 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 8:06 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:48 pm

Here is the section in question:
"We all had to constantly remain in character, even while interacting on the app. Tim and(redacted) were partners for the COUPLES RUSE training that night and Coop,(redacted) and I were a “throuple” for the COUPLES RUSE. While waiting to head out and start our training, at one point Ballard’s son came over to talk with us. He made a comment about how his dad had given him something to take (presumably some type of pill, but I’m unsure of what). He then said he felt high and was kind of laughing about it like it was no big deal. It really concerned me though.

I didn’t like that we were supposed to be pretending this was a real life scenario and that he would be out of it. If it was a real situation potentially out of the country, where lives depended on it, then I would be so anxious and scared. I would never be able to trust someone not in their right state of mind. Not to mention it disturbed me and was inappropriate that his dad had given it to him. At some point(I don't remember exactly when) Ballard told me that he would sometimes take something in order to deal with his stress and to help him get into character, as well as loosen up."

Yeah. I read all of this weeks ago.

LOL that's ok. I have a feeling someone reading this may have no clue about the pills. To solve this dilemma of posting things you already know perhaps you'd be willing to give me a list of everything you may have read about this case for the last few months so that I can limit my posting to information that is new to you.

Sorry for the sass, I'm just having fun.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 9:01 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Bonhoeffer wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 6:56 pm

I haven’t read that yet, which lawsuit was that info in (of his wife visiting)?

Also, regarding “Brian Black,” reminds me of a certain “Pierre Delecto.” Wonder if he’s had his 2nd anointing and so he thinks he’s good? That or the crazy blessings he was given by Thom Harrison (author of Visions of Glory) gave him greater delusions of grandeur making him a savior in his own eyes. Those blessings can be found on pages 225 (exhibit N) and 229 (exhibit O) of the amended lawsuit https://www.scribd.com/document/6818633 ... llard-Case

He was excommunicated, so it’s highly unlikely that he had the second anointing.

Has that been shown to be true? Source? I know JD mentioned a screenshot of LDS tools and then KB said we're working with ecclesiastical leaders but perhaps I missed something more concrete.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:37 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 5:03 pm

Seed Starter wrote: ↑November 4th, 2023, 4:17 pm I just read about WW's (One of Tim's accusers) experiences. At the end she addresses why she came forward. I posted part of that. Look at the portions I made bold. I have made the point about the timing of Tim's senate run being used to give Tim cover a few times here but many people don't want to believe that. Tim said himself people were out to get him in July. Announcing a senate run (political ruse) in September so people would jump to conclusions is exactly what he did IMO. P.S. WW told Tim she was a victim of rape and he still put her through all this.

It's easy to see how he kept manipulating her even telling her she could be the face of OUR. This is one of the women who Tim told the Elder Ballard gave his blessing for the couples ruse. It sounds like Tim let things happen to her when that was never the plan. Tim was supposed to come to her aid since he knew Spanish. It doesn't sound like the couples ruse protected anyone. The ruse gave him access to these women (to save kids). Keep going if you want to save kids... The church knew they couldn't have Tim bringing one of the Q15 into this so they called him out publicly (distanced themselves) when they became aware some of these women were saying Tim told them Elder Ballard thought the couples ruse was cool. I think these women are going to win in the end.

"In the interest of and protection for all involved, we made every effort to maintain silence to the press and public regarding the specifics of Tim’s behavior and names of women abused. Despite our efforts, the press eventually got word of the investigation and drew it to public attention. Tim had not indicated a Senate run until—conveniently—the day before the press printed the leak about the wrapped investigation into his sexual misconduct. Tim malevolently linked his political announcement with allegations investigated and verified long before, inciting public anger and demand for Tim’s victims to step forth and defend ourselves—which has led to further victimization, especially without the resources for personal and/or legal protection.

I have never wanted to disappear from life this badly. It has been inexplicably debilitating to be so vulnerable, unsafe, and uncertain—and this is coming from a woman who dines with traffickers and cartel with intent to betray them. Rather than taking accountability or humbly making amends, Tim blamed his victims of attempting to ruin him without cause. Through his denials, Tim has divided families and friends, church members and political allies. Any man who has left devastation and destruction in his wake, and continues to vehemently lie and slander, should be compelled to make recompense when he has refused to do so voluntarily. Tim has spent years in luxury, traveling in fame and power, living out his delusional and sexual fantasies, while people he has used to get there remain unprotected, afraid, financially ruined, and struggling to survive on multiple fronts.

To those who naively excuse Tim’s atrocious behavior as a matter of consent, of simply walking away, I am glad for your good fortune of never having been lured into an abusive relationship. When it comes to understanding the extent of predatory behaviors and grooming, the issue of “consent” is irrelevant. The very definition of grooming is the process of securing a target’s trust and manipulating that to get them to agree to things they would never otherwise consider. That’s what master manipulators do; they get you to conform to their beliefs and tactics, making the absurd seem normal and you seem absurd."

I didn't think Tim Ballard announced anything regarding a run for the senate. I understand there was a strong rumour based on something someone else said, but nothing from Tim himself. Did I miss something?

To clarify, Tim didn't announce, he had AG Reyes announce for him on Twitter.