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ASU visiting professor gives a large Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion lecture on the Book of Mormon declaring that, "iniquity is inequity." Positions Nephite Dissenters as the victims, and leans on Critical Theory and Liberation Theology to infuse meaning in the sacred text.

Says Gadianton Robbers are just a group with grievances who are "dispossessed" from their land.

Mormon Studies Scholar learns Critical Theory and tweets, "Nephi is not a good guy."

"This will get much worse." Mormon Studies is "bathed" in Critical Theory.

Here's the lecture with analysis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtqQNGSngN4&t=1s

Arm Chair Quarterback wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 6:41 pm
Says Gadianton Robbers are just a group with grievances who are "dispossessed" from their land.

WREST

1. Distortion; violent pulling and twisting; perversion.

Now do the Bible. Liberation theology is extreme heresy. Bergoglio is trying to establish it again in the Catholic Church after John Paul and Benedict condemned it. The LDS Church must strongly resist any attempt to establish it. It is Agenda 2030 on steroids,

Sophistry! Sounds like a populist's superficial cherry picking to me. I wonder how thoroughly he has studied the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 28:15 O the wise, and the learned, and the rich, that are puffed up in the pride of their hearts, and all those who preach false doctrines, and all those who commit whoredoms, and pervert the right way of the Lord, wo, wo, wo be unto them, saith the Lord God Almighty, for they shall be thrust down to hell!

That's three woes!

How can someone be an actual believer in the BoM and yet also believe this post-modern garbage?

Damn that man Jesus not including everyone! Preaching only to those Jews (or children of Abraham anyway). Telling people that those that follow him may be saved and all else would be damned! Not even willing to preach to non-family. Then Peter needing multiple visions to realize that non-Jews could be saved if they accepted Jesus. I suppose the bible and the Bom, we divisive, not inclusive for the most part. Us vs. them and them being children of the devil!

And what say the leaders of this establishment??

So, the Laman and Lemuel argument?
Nephi stole our birthright, let's get it back.

Then the Lamanite descendants continue the same arguments for generations and want "reparations."

Nothing new under the sun, but you think anyone who has read the Book of Mormon could hardly argue against Nephi and for Laman and Lemuel.

Edited for typo

Anyways....

The recipe is as follows:

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 9:20 pm Nothing knew under the sun, but you think anyone who has read the Book of Mormon could hardly argue against Nephi and for Laman and Lemuel.

Hardy does some of this in his 2010 book "Understanding the Book of Mormon."

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 9:20 pm So, the Laman and Lemuel argument?
Nephi stole our birthright, let's get it back.

Then the Lamanite descendants continue the same arguments for generations and want "reparations."

Nothing knew under the sun, but you think anyone who has read the Book of Mormon could hardly argue against Nephi and for Laman and Lemuel.

You’re right. I bet that’s part of the problem for the Mormons who buy into this line of thinking. They’ve never really read the book of mormon or they don’t understand it. So they’re like ships without a sail. They just go wherever the current takes them.

Laman was in the wrong but I have read other convincing interpretations to explain his grievance, such as being the older brother usurped by the younger. The Lamanites are not always the villains in the book and on occasion are better than the Nephites. Critics could argue that the work is mostly from the Nephite POV. It may have been possible to construct a Record of the Lamanites which was more to their credit, and included more of the words of their own prophets. Very occasionally we do hear the Lamanites' own POV.

The problem is that many bad people DO have legitimate grievances. Many serial killers had terrible childhoods that they didn't deserve. I had to deal with someone recently (in his fifties) who was abused by his mother and taken into state care as a result. On those grounds his paranoia was reasonable, however he started stalking and harassing a friend, and bullying a number of vulnerable people... and there's no excuse for that kind of behaviour. You're only passing on your problems and creating more.

I might have missed it, but is there a full video or transcript of that professor's lecture available?

Oh my….

This line of thinking is what Satan taught to Cain, to induce him to kill his brother Abel, with the promise that everything that belonged to Abel would become Cain's.

Modern education creates legions of Cains.

This story was first covered on October 19 by the Cougar Chronicle, an independent site run by conservative BYU Law students who are unhappy with on-campus wokeness and administrative support. It is an excellent "canary in the coal mine" for these things that happen at BYU.

https://thecougarchronicle.com/inequity ... oug-chron/

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 9:20 pm So, the Laman and Lemuel argument?
Nephi stole our birthright, let's get it back.

Then the Lamanite descendants continue the same arguments for generations and want "reparations."

Nothing new under the sun, but you think anyone who has read the Book of Mormon could hardly argue against Nephi and for Laman and Lemuel.

Never-ending reparations, lol. What was the worth of a sword, a ball, and some brass plates (not even gold!) even when they were surrounded by lots of gold, etc.? How did Nephi steal a birthright? Laman and Lemuel governed their people; some people didn't want to be ruled by them (sound familiar, Laman and Lemuel?), and left (a confederacy), and those that left and theirs were free to return to the Lamanites. Who said the ruling would be in their hands, anyway? Family isn't government.

And it's okay to attack and kill to get those reparations, even if they never were yours to begin with, as Nephi wrote to explain it: https://bookofmormonnotes.wordpress.com ... phite-lam/

Nephi was also testified of in the Doctrine and Covenants, and appeared to Joseph Smith as an angel.

Interesting that the converted Lamanites who had believed in Laman and Lemuel's story changed their belief 100% after reading Nephi's (and others') teachings.

Outrage at the LDS white supremacists manifesto coming to a University near you

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 6:50 pm Now do the Bible. Liberation theology is extreme heresy. Bergoglio is trying to establish it again in the Catholic Church after John Paul and Benedict condemned it. The LDS Church must strongly resist any attempt to establish it. It is Agenda 2030 on steroids,

The LDS church has already embraced it. The new RS president is on agenda 2030 steroids along with a lot of the leadership.

marc wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 7:19 pm Sophistry! Sounds like a populist's superficial cherry picking to me. I wonder how thoroughly he has studied the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 28:15 O the wise, and the learned, and the rich, that are puffed up in the pride of their hearts, and all those who preach false doctrines, and all those who commit whoredoms, and pervert the right way of the Lord, wo, wo, wo be unto them, saith the Lord God Almighty, for they shall be thrust down to hell!

That's three woes!

Wouldn’t want to be those guys!

spoiler alert:

The Lamanites win, all the Nephites that are left become Lamanites, and the Lamanites get all the Nephite's lands at the end of the book.


so there's your diversity, equity, and inclusion

Arm Chair Quarterback wrote: ↑November 3rd, 2023, 11:37 am

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 6:50 pm Now do the Bible. Liberation theology is extreme heresy. Bergoglio is trying to establish it again in the Catholic Church after John Paul and Benedict condemned it. The LDS Church must strongly resist any attempt to establish it. It is Agenda 2030 on steroids,

The LDS church has already embraced it. The new RS president is on agenda 2030 steroids along with a lot of the leadership.

You would think a church with more scripture and truth than any other and the only one with priesthood authority and a living prophet would be able to see through this. Very confusing.

mudflap wrote: ↑November 3rd, 2023, 2:04 pm spoiler alert:

The Lamanites win, all the Nephites that are left become Lamanites, and the Lamanites get all the Nephite's lands at the end of the book.


so there's your diversity, equity, and inclusion

That is...until the 12th Tribe sailed the ocean blue

Arm Chair Quarterback wrote: ↑November 3rd, 2023, 11:37 am

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 6:50 pm Now do the Bible. Liberation theology is extreme heresy. Bergoglio is trying to establish it again in the Catholic Church after John Paul and Benedict condemned it. The LDS Church must strongly resist any attempt to establish it. It is Agenda 2030 on steroids,

The LDS church has already embraced it. The new RS president is on agenda 2030 steroids along with a lot of the leadership.

Doesn't anyone ever wonder if sustaining these poseurs as prophets, seers, and revelators might actually be an offense towards God?

Chip wrote: ↑November 3rd, 2023, 4:31 pm

Arm Chair Quarterback wrote: ↑November 3rd, 2023, 11:37 am

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 6:50 pm Now do the Bible. Liberation theology is extreme heresy. Bergoglio is trying to establish it again in the Catholic Church after John Paul and Benedict condemned it. The LDS Church must strongly resist any attempt to establish it. It is Agenda 2030 on steroids,

The LDS church has already embraced it. The new RS president is on agenda 2030 steroids along with a lot of the leadership.

Doesn't anyone ever wonder if sustaining these poseurs as prophets, seers, and revelators might actually be an offense towards God?

Nothing can offend god I think with this line of thinking because god being offended isn’t “nice” or PC and if he offended a group of people then that group of people would be “victims” and “martyrs” in their own minds so it’s impossible in their ideology I believe.