Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 3:26 pm
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Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 3:39 pm
Weird 
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 3:50 pm
Maricopa County...
Where's EQ when we need him?
Where's EQ when we need him?
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 4:13 pm
A friend pointed this out to me the other day. The rental on a 5 bedroom house starts at just under $4000 a month.
I wonder if the church handles all the grounds maintenance, as well. They probably do to assure that the place stays nice.
Maybe this is Zion.
I wonder if the church handles all the grounds maintenance, as well. They probably do to assure that the place stays nice.
Maybe this is Zion.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 4:15 pm
I guess they're not even pretending anymore.LDS Physician wrote: ↑October 31st, 2023, 3:26 pm https://www.abc15.com/news/business/lds ... ueen-creek
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 4:18 pm
I wonder what the property tax footprint of that place is, compared to individually-owned homes.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 4:19 pm
Could they implement vaxx mandates there?
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 4:35 pm
The fastest way to build equity with the Lord is to rent your house from the church, in addition to tithing.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 4:57 pm
Sometimes I just have to laugh. There is no water in Queen Creek. I lived there around 1982. Mexicans mostly. I was robbed twice.
It reminds me of the time the church called me to come to the 23rd floor iirc of the church office building as they wanted to buy a downloadable soft font I had written for the HP Laserjet+. Anyway, it was funny as I reeked of tobacco smoke and the apostle secretary was trying to educate me on software. He bragged that they had over 400 copies of WordPerfect in the building. I laughed and told him the technology was bad as they did not know how to handle downloadable fonts. He reminded me that I was in a building of prophets. I told him that WP was trash and would be bankrupt soon. As it turned out, I was a better prophet than any they had in the building.
Maybe they will sell, make a quick buck, and leave Queen Creek before what few wells there are run dry. Or maybe RMN will come up with another godsend.
It reminds me of the time the church called me to come to the 23rd floor iirc of the church office building as they wanted to buy a downloadable soft font I had written for the HP Laserjet+. Anyway, it was funny as I reeked of tobacco smoke and the apostle secretary was trying to educate me on software. He bragged that they had over 400 copies of WordPerfect in the building. I laughed and told him the technology was bad as they did not know how to handle downloadable fonts. He reminded me that I was in a building of prophets. I told him that WP was trash and would be bankrupt soon. As it turned out, I was a better prophet than any they had in the building.
Maybe they will sell, make a quick buck, and leave Queen Creek before what few wells there are run dry. Or maybe RMN will come up with another godsend.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 5:28 pm
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 5:32 pm
I don't know why you need EQ, as 1) he's not local, and 2) this particular parcel is on the Pinal County side of Meridian, as you can see from the map. It's parcel 104-22-001F if you want to take a look at it. That area is sprouting pink, cream, and tan houses like they're going out of style. Its use code is currently "religious," was last recorded in 1982, and no tax is currently being paid on the property. https://treasurer.pinal.gov/parcelinqui ... StmtReport
For those of you wondering, it's true that Queen Creek straddles two counties.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 5:58 pm
Who knew that building zion could be possible with just money? I guess Enoch wasted 365 years doing it the hard way.Chip wrote: ↑October 31st, 2023, 4:13 pm A friend pointed this out to me the other day. The rental on a 5 bedroom house starts at just under $4000 a month.
I wonder if the church handles all the grounds maintenance, as well. They probably do to assure that the place stays nice.
Maybe this is Zion.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 6:01 pm
You will own nothing and be happy. LDS Inc being a good global citizen.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 7:09 pm
Welcome to the party pal.
This isn't the first. They have 1 (maybe more) in Utah with more on the way.
It's not zion. Rent is 3,500 a month.
This isn't the first. They have 1 (maybe more) in Utah with more on the way.
It's not zion. Rent is 3,500 a month.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 7:28 pm
They may bear His name but they take from the poor and give to the rich.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!
25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 9:27 pm
Isaiah 5:8 with commentaryLDS Physician wrote: ↑October 31st, 2023, 3:26 pm https://www.abc15.com/news/business/lds ... ueen-creek
8 Woe to those who join house to house
and link field to field till no place is left,
and you are restricted to dwell
in the centers of the land!
A series of seven “woes” or covenant curses follows Isaiah’s vineyard allegory, detailing a cross-section of hedonistic behaviors that underscores the unjust and unprincipled standards by which Jehovah’s end-time people live. A spirit of speculation overcomes them—as manifested by oppressive zoning laws, for-profit property developments, corporate mergers, and other questionable entrepreneurial ventures—forcing the poor of his people out of rural, self-sustaining lifestyles into the cities or centers of the land. Only his people who are thus disenfranchised Jehovah acknowledges as “you.”
Gileadi quote ended.
It seems everyday the leaders of this people fulfill more of Isaiah’s prophecies. And they have not a clue that they are doing what Isaiah said they would do.
God forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 10:36 pm
This is the second one in Arizona, The first one, which is almost ready to open, is called Retreat at Prasada, 15901 W Waddell Rd, Surprise, AZ. Opposite corners of Phoenix metro area.
The for profit corporate name for LDS Development in Arizona, at least, is “City Creek Development”. I refer to it as Little City Creek Development, because they haven’t spent 5 billion dollars on a project in Arizona yet.
There is at least one more, for a total of 3, of these Little City Creek Development “Rental Homes” projects going up in the PHX market.
I don’t know what all the fuss is about, Little City Creek Development, is the Servant given 5 talents and they are turning them into 10 talents.
The for profit corporate name for LDS Development in Arizona, at least, is “City Creek Development”. I refer to it as Little City Creek Development, because they haven’t spent 5 billion dollars on a project in Arizona yet.
There is at least one more, for a total of 3, of these Little City Creek Development “Rental Homes” projects going up in the PHX market.
I don’t know what all the fuss is about, Little City Creek Development, is the Servant given 5 talents and they are turning them into 10 talents.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 10:44 pm
Parking for one car? Two cars or no cars?
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: November 1st, 2023, 8:38 am
I'd argue that you don't deserve a woe if you don't know what you're doing. They know what they are doing.Teancum1 wrote: ↑October 31st, 2023, 9:27 pmIsaiah 5:8 with commentaryLDS Physician wrote: ↑October 31st, 2023, 3:26 pm https://www.abc15.com/news/business/lds ... ueen-creek
8 Woe to those who join house to house
and link field to field till no place is left,
and you are restricted to dwell
in the centers of the land!
A series of seven “woes” or covenant curses follows Isaiah’s vineyard allegory, detailing a cross-section of hedonistic behaviors that underscores the unjust and unprincipled standards by which Jehovah’s end-time people live. A spirit of speculation overcomes them—as manifested by oppressive zoning laws, for-profit property developments, corporate mergers, and other questionable entrepreneurial ventures—forcing the poor of his people out of rural, self-sustaining lifestyles into the cities or centers of the land. Only his people who are thus disenfranchised Jehovah acknowledges as “you.”
Gileadi quote ended.
It seems everyday the leaders of this people fulfill more of Isaiah’s prophecies. And they have not a clue that they are doing what Isaiah said they would do.
God forgive them for they know not what they are doing.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: November 1st, 2023, 4:29 pm
There are plans for a housing development on church owned land in Central Florida. Maybe rentals?
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017 ... in-florida
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017 ... in-florida
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: November 1st, 2023, 6:23 pm
I'm confused - I thought churches were there to benefit the people. Obviously I was wrong. Where did I ever get the idea that churches collected donations and then used that money for those in need. And if they had extra, after helping their own congregation, they would help others, perhaps even in countries throughout the world. I know I've heard of churches (perhaps other denominations?) sending out missionaries to underdeveloped countries to help establish water, provide medical care, build homes - not for wealthy people, but to benefit the very poor.
Well, my education about the purpose of churches is very lacking, but I'm learning. "Church" is just the name for a very profitable business endeavor. Now I am embarrassed for having been so naive.
Well, my education about the purpose of churches is very lacking, but I'm learning. "Church" is just the name for a very profitable business endeavor. Now I am embarrassed for having been so naive.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: November 1st, 2023, 6:34 pm
It's about how they got the talents in the first place. The church finally confirmed last year that tithing funds are being used for non-ecclesiastical purposes. The church is in the news again today for this very issue.Lineman1012 wrote: ↑October 31st, 2023, 10:36 pm I don’t know what all the fuss is about, Little City Creek Development, is the Servant given 5 talents and they are turning them into 10 talents.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: November 1st, 2023, 8:32 pm
Thanks for the link, Sunain. "Mormon church sued for allegedly lying to donors by investing $350,000 that was supposed to be used for charity" Articles in Forbes, KUER and, of course, the Trib. They want to make this a class action suit: "Their lawsuit seeks class-action certification, potentially involving millions of church members, and an independent entity to oversee collection and use of church donations."
https://fortune.com/2023/11/01/mormon-c ... t-charity/
https://fortune.com/2023/11/01/mormon-c ... t-charity/
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: November 2nd, 2023, 12:23 am
You think that parable is about making money?Lineman1012 wrote: ↑October 31st, 2023, 10:36 pm This is the second one in Arizona, The first one, which is almost ready to open, is called Retreat at Prasada, 15901 W Waddell Rd, Surprise, AZ. Opposite corners of Phoenix metro area.
The for profit corporate name for LDS Development in Arizona, at least, is “City Creek Development”. I refer to it as Little City Creek Development, because they haven’t spent 5 billion dollars on a project in Arizona yet.
There is at least one more, for a total of 3, of these Little City Creek Development “Rental Homes” projects going up in the PHX market.
I don’t know what all the fuss is about, Little City Creek Development, is the Servant given 5 talents and they are turning them into 10 talents.
Re: Another undefined use of tithes
Posted: November 2nd, 2023, 8:37 am
I was being sarcastic. I knew I should have put thisransomme wrote: ↑November 2nd, 2023, 12:23 amYou think that parable is about making money?Lineman1012 wrote: ↑October 31st, 2023, 10:36 pm This is the second one in Arizona, The first one, which is almost ready to open, is called Retreat at Prasada, 15901 W Waddell Rd, Surprise, AZ. Opposite corners of Phoenix metro area.
The for profit corporate name for LDS Development in Arizona, at least, is “City Creek Development”. I refer to it as Little City Creek Development, because they haven’t spent 5 billion dollars on a project in Arizona yet.
There is at least one more, for a total of 3, of these Little City Creek Development “Rental Homes” projects going up in the PHX market.
I don’t know what all the fuss is about, Little City Creek Development, is the Servant given 5 talents and they are turning them into 10 talents.
on there.Actually, they are taking 5 talents and turning it into residual income of 5 additional talents every year for the next 30 years. This is the perfect solution for the church, when everyone stops paying their tithing because they (the church) aren’t using the donations of tithes to help the poor, needy, sick and afflicted.