Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 6:18 pm
This isn't a "you're dumb if you are wrong" I just want to get everyone's "trust your gut" impression.
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Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 6:23 pm
With all the money printing in the trillions you would expect it to be increasing. But my guess is that bankruptcies galore combined with a crash in borrowing since people can't afford the interest rates is causing a net decrease in the money supply, which, in turn, is causing the powers that be to print trillions to try to fill the gap, since if they don't keep increasing the money supply the whole financial house of cards comes crashing down. Just a hunch on the decreasing money supply opinion.
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 6:24 pm
TPTB use a different type of mathematics for themselves than the general population. By regular math, this house of cards should have collapsed already. And it will again when they are ready-- this is how they conduct wealth transfers to themselves, by crashing the stock markets, creating depressions, etc.
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 6:32 pm
Tough to tell...government has been adding a trillion per quarter now shifting to $1.5 trillion per quarter or $500 billion per month...
Certainly drying up on the private side. Likely in amounts surpassing the increased borrowing or creation by the government. Wading through the sea of numbers though is quite challenging to get to an empirical analysis. Particularly when a good portion of the reported numbers is fake or a facade. Readjustments to historical representations now occur monthly from the BLS....
Not to mention the shear amount of funding that is going out globally and not retained stateside. But the dollar is now truly a global debt instrument. The lack thereof in Europe to satisfy US dollar denominated debt in Europe is what kicked off 2008.
Certainly drying up on the private side. Likely in amounts surpassing the increased borrowing or creation by the government. Wading through the sea of numbers though is quite challenging to get to an empirical analysis. Particularly when a good portion of the reported numbers is fake or a facade. Readjustments to historical representations now occur monthly from the BLS....
Not to mention the shear amount of funding that is going out globally and not retained stateside. But the dollar is now truly a global debt instrument. The lack thereof in Europe to satisfy US dollar denominated debt in Europe is what kicked off 2008.
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 6:39 pm
This is also supported by usdebtclock.org
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 6:49 pm
Good article! A rarity of reporting.
I think the reality is the financial world is on the edge of the knife...any minor slip will be catastrophic. Any hiccup that starts a bank run will force the unrealized losses to the surface and a rapidly subsequent massive liquidation. The banks are truly walking zombies.
The world runs on financing. Pull the LOCs and half the businesses (or more) in the US would fold immediately.
As I posted to Blipits earlier this evening...things are potentially changing rapidly. The world in 30 days could look vastly different from today...OR...the extend and pretend could continue for some period of time. Anybody's guess as to what the final grain of sand will be that starts the cascade...and when....but holy cow have we got lots of stimulus occurring daily now....
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 7:10 pm
I agree my bro. Sadly, I think we as a people are so ignorant of economics, that we will be led to the next thing, probably CBDC. I expect CBDC to be really nice for a honeymoon period. But I suspect the standard of living is going to be quite nice for a while. Then they will start making "reasonable" use of coercion against BAD people. And it will be people that no one could be expected to jump to their defense, then with the camel's nose under the tent, anyone with guns is going to be "locked out" until they turn in their guns, once the guns are gone, they can do anything to anyone, and they will.Jason wrote: ↑October 30th, 2023, 6:49 pmGood article! A rarity of reporting.
I think the reality is the financial world is on the edge of the knife...any minor slip will be catastrophic. Any hiccup that starts a bank run will force the unrealized losses to the surface and a rapidly subsequent massive liquidation. The banks are truly walking zombies.
The world runs on financing. Pull the LOCs and half the businesses (or more) in the US would fold immediately.
As I posted to Blipits earlier this evening...things are potentially changing rapidly. The world in 30 days could look vastly different from today...OR...the extend and pretend could continue for some period of time. Anybody's guess as to what the final grain of sand will be that starts the cascade...and when....but holy cow have we got lots of stimulus occurring daily now....
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 7:34 pm
The linked article is mostly a scare tactic to get clicks.
The M1 supply is essentially returning back to where it was 2 years ago.
If you look at the chart though it should be incredibly alarming at the sharp rise in 2020. Essentially the USD today was devalued 4x from the 2020 amount.
https://take-profit.org/en/statistics/m ... ed-states/
The M1 supply is essentially returning back to where it was 2 years ago.
If you look at the chart though it should be incredibly alarming at the sharp rise in 2020. Essentially the USD today was devalued 4x from the 2020 amount.
https://take-profit.org/en/statistics/m ... ed-states/
- M1_Supply.PNG (15.7 KiB) Viewed 126 times
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 7:39 pm
Does this mean my hunch was right? The money supply is in a current downtrend? Victory lap! Happy dance. I win. LOL.Telavian wrote: ↑October 30th, 2023, 7:34 pm The linked article is mostly a scare tactic to get clicks.
The M1 supply is essentially returning back to where it was 2 years ago.
If you look at the chart though it should be incredibly alarming at the sharp rise in 2020. Essentially the USD today was devalued 4x from the 2020 amount.
https://take-profit.org/en/statistics/m ... ed-states/
M1_Supply.PNG
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 7:53 pm
And yet we know the USD did not devalue 4x from 2020 until now, compared to other currencies.Telavian wrote: ↑October 30th, 2023, 7:34 pm The linked article is mostly a scare tactic to get clicks.
The M1 supply is essentially returning back to where it was 2 years ago.
If you look at the chart though it should be incredibly alarming at the sharp rise in 2020. Essentially the USD today was devalued 4x from the 2020 amount.
https://take-profit.org/en/statistics/m ... ed-states/
M1_Supply.PNG
Also, M2 is a much better measure of money in circulation than M1.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 8:19 pm
M2 includes assets which are infrequently traded making it a poorer reflection of the economy.Original_Intent wrote: ↑October 30th, 2023, 7:53 pm And yet we know the USD did not devalue 4x from 2020 until now, compared to other currencies.
Also, M2 is a much better measure of money in circulation than M1.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
You haven't seen the devalue until now. That is very different from it not happening previously.
Injecting money into the economy doesn't mean that the dollar is instantly devalued. It takes time. History has shown this several times until you reach a point of hyperinflation.
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 30th, 2023, 8:41 pm
That delay is typically 12-18 months. It's been almost 4 years since the beginning of 2020.Telavian wrote: ↑October 30th, 2023, 8:19 pmM2 includes assets which are infrequently traded making it a poorer reflection of the economy.Original_Intent wrote: ↑October 30th, 2023, 7:53 pm And yet we know the USD did not devalue 4x from 2020 until now, compared to other currencies.
Also, M2 is a much better measure of money in circulation than M1.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL
You haven't seen the devalue until now. That is very different from it not happening previously.
Injecting money into the economy doesn't mean that the dollar is instantly devalued. It takes time. History has shown this several times until you reach a point of hyperinflation.
While prices have gone up, the dollar has remained strong compared to other currencies - while ther has been de-dollarization, the USD is still the least sick horse in the glue factory. I expect that to change suddenly.
Re: Survey: money supply going up or down? no cheating!
Posted: October 31st, 2023, 5:50 am
Electronic money up.
Printed money down.
Printed money down.