It's that time of year again

[SimpleSaint]

Giving to others creates positive feelings in the giver, and in the one who receives.

Imo corporate giving is sort of like pornography. The giver still feels a rush for contributing, but it is a hollow, fleeting feeling because it was given to an imaginary person in need, it is a fantasy.

Not to say that charitable giving is abusing yourself. Just that a better way is possible when the giver and receiver share more than a financial transaction, but connect on a human level and become friends.

Like how one of the charitable organizations that the Giving Machines works through, CARE, possibly funds "women's sexual and reproductive rights" (aka abortion) in these countries?

https://www.care-international.org/what ... ive-health

[Thinker]

Most are cheats. I see every beggar wearing better clothes than me, and many then driving a car 8x more expensive than mine at the end of their begging. They make enough to pay off that expensive car, live, have children, etc., without working.

Exactly. What has changed is that the beggars have become better and more "professional" at their begging. A person truly in need does not spend hours outside a 7-11 asking for "spare change, man."

Yes, people DO tell lies. Yes, all people.

I suppose I should add most particularly Mormons. But most definitely dopers and alcoholics.
dc

I don't know the specifics of these "giving machines" but it all seems to reek heavily of ... SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.

I saw the same guy begging at a parking lot in a different city - same scam. Some - especially in bigger cities may authentically be wanting money -but often it’s to use & eventually overdose on drugs. An ex drug addict said him having money when he was so addicted, was bad - like a death sentence.

I used to pass out a list of resources they could go to for food, clothing & shelter.

Whenever I’m asked to donate or give to a beggar, I remind myself that my personal priority for giving is a few families in a real poor country which doesn’t have a list of resources for people to turn to in times of need. There, many people live with dirt floors, leaky tin roofs and having 2 meals a day is for the more well off. Once, on the streets of a “3rd world” area, a disabled woman sold suckers. I bought a bunch and later gave them to kids.

If beggars at least tried to earn $ - I’d try to help. God helps those who help themselves.


Regarding the OP, Utah has high rates for SCAMS… follow the leader/profits…

[SimpleSaint]

Even just a simple search on the charitable organizations, like CARE for instance, you can see what this is truly about! You could be helping save a life! Oh sorry, I mean aborting a life!

https://www.care-international.org/what ... ive-health

[SimpleSaint]

Most are cheats. I see every beggar wearing better clothes than me, and many then driving a car 8x more expensive than mine at the end of their begging. They make enough to pay off that expensive car, live, have children, etc., without working.

Exactly. What has changed is that the beggars have become better and more "professional" at their begging. A person truly in need does not spend hours outside a 7-11 asking for "spare change, man."

Yes, people DO tell lies. Yes, all people.

I suppose I should add most particularly Mormons. But most definitely dopers and alcoholics.
dc

I don't know the specifics of these "giving machines" but it all seems to reek heavily of ... SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.

I saw the same guy begging at a parking lot in a different city - same scam. Some - especially in bigger cities may authentically be wanting money -but often it’s to use & eventually overdose on drugs. An ex drug addict said him having money when he was so addicted, was bad - like a death sentence.

I used to pass out a list of resources they could go to for food, clothing & shelter.

Whenever I’m asked to donate or give to a beggar, I remind myself that my personal priority for giving is a few families in a real poor country which doesn’t have a list of resources for people to turn to in times of need. There, many people live with dirt floors, leaky tin roofs and having 2 meals a day is for the more well off. Once, on the streets of a “3rd world” area, a disabled woman sold suckers. I bought a bunch and later gave them to kids.

If beggars at least tried to earn $ - I’d try to help. God helps those who help themselves.


Regarding the OP, Utah has high rates for SCAMS… follow the leader/profits…

Never had I been engrossed in so much pyramid scheming than I had been when I was at BYU Provo.

[SimpleSaint]

Might as well tie in this wonderful thread about Sister Eubanks and the Giving Machines (or Getting Machines so cleverly coined by Chip)

viewtopic.php?f=14&p=1318216#p1318216

[SimpleSaint]

Might as well tie in this wonderful thread about Sister Eubanks and the Giving Machines (or Getting Machines so cleverly coined by Chip)

viewtopic.php?f=14&p=1318216#p1318216

When I saw that vaccines were listed as one of the many wonderful donations you could put money toward, I was totally sold!

[Reluctant Watchman]

I think the gift of discernment is more important than ever in how we care for those in need. Pray to know those who truly are in need and focus your efforts there. If you feel prompted to help a person on the street, do it. We've found many people who have truly been blessed by the giving of others.

Last year I saw a guy on a street corner. Instead of just giving him a few bucks, I pulled him aside and got to know him better. He told me about his life and what he was trying to do. He then introduced me to his "sister." He was so thankful for the help we gave them. We paid for their hotel for several weeks while he found a job.

Now... whether I felt prompted to help this man or not, I learned a great lesson after having further communication with him and his sister. The man was a complete fraud and liar. I found out his "sister" was his girlfriend. I also found out he wasn't looking for a job, but a handout so he could continue to prey on others. When I found this out (long story, so I'll skip it), I called the hotel and canceled the remaining days I had paid for.

So maybe that was a way for me to learn a good lesson that even those who appear the most sincere can actually be truly deceptive.

Coincidentally, on the other side of this shopping area, I saw another man asking for money. I again got out of my car and asked him if he wanted to go into the store and pick out anything he wanted to put into his cart. He declined, he only wanted money. I didn't give him any and walked away.

[InfoWarrior82]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

I hear ya. Today was a fifth Sunday so it was a missionary themed meeting... which turned into a meeting about tithing?? I wonder what all our less active members and investigators were thinking... Definitely a difficult meeting to get through today. My husband and I are now theorizing that they are doing this on purpose to just push the freedom loving awake members out of the church so we don't foiltheir plans for going full throttle into the NWO

We need to stand our ground and speak up. Make them kick us out.

[SimpleSaint]

I think the gift of discernment is more important than ever in how we care for those in need. Pray to know those who truly are in need and focus your efforts there. If you feel prompted to help a person on the street, do it. We've found many people who have truly been blessed by the giving of others.

Last year I saw a guy on a street corner. Instead of just giving him a few bucks, I pulled him aside and got to know him better. He told me about his life and what he was trying to do. He then introduced me to his "sister." He was so thankful for the help we gave them. We paid for their hotel for several weeks while he found a job.

Now... whether I felt prompted to help this man or not, I learned a great lesson after having further communication with him and his sister. The man was a complete fraud and liar. I found out his "sister" was his girlfriend. I also found out he wasn't looking for a job, but a handout so he could continue to prey on others. When I found this out (long story, so I'll skip it), I called the hotel and canceled the remaining days I had paid for.

So maybe that was a way for me to learn a good lesson that even those who appear the most sincere can actually be truly deceptive.

Coincidentally, on the other side of this shopping area, I saw another man asking for money. I again got out of my car and asked him if he wanted to go into the store and pick out anything he wanted to put into his cart. He declined, he only wanted money. I didn't give him any and walked away.

I've had my fair share of helping more needy people. Some I didn't feel too good about helping, but hoped I was wrong. It would help so much to have that discernment. I pray that as we move forward in these last days leading up to the Second Coming, we may all remember the words of Christ "let no man deceive you."

[SimpleSaint]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

I hear ya. Today was a fifth Sunday so it was a missionary themed meeting... which turned into a meeting about tithing?? I wonder what all our less active members and investigators were thinking... Definitely a difficult meeting to get through today. My husband and I are now theorizing that they are doing this on purpose to just push the freedom loving awake members out of the church so we don't foiltheir plans for going full throttle into the NWO

We need to stand our ground and speak up. Make them kick us out.

I like this proactive approach and participation in separating the wheat and the tares

[Fred]

Yeah, in Utah county, I don't have enough money to keep up with the amount of people I'm seeing outside of grocery stores asking for money. There's opportunity to give all over the place. We've always had those in need, homeless, and those living in lower class/poverty, but things have changed. In peaceful Utah county, I never saw the amount of people standing on the corner of streets asking for money or right outside of grocery stores as a kid, as a teenager, in my 20s. Things have changed. The decline and collapse is real.

Most are cheats. I see every beggar wearing better clothes than me, and many then driving a car 8x more expensive than mine at the end of their begging. They make enough to pay off that expensive car, live, have children, etc., without working.

Exactly. What has changed is that the beggars have become better and more "professional" at their begging. A person truly in need does not spend hours outside a 7-11 asking for "spare change, man."

Yes, people DO tell lies. Yes, all people.

I suppose I should add most particularly Mormons. But most definitely dopers and alcoholics.
dc

I don't know the specifics of these "giving machines" but it all seems to reek heavily of ... SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.

I don't pay as much attention to the ones that do it for a living. Like the woman at the freeway off-ramp. She is there 5 days a week. Probably collects a $20 every ten minutes all day long. I asked a guy at the drive thru at McDonalds after I had already gave him over a $100, about his situation, and he said he stayed in a $60 a night motel. I asked him why he didn't just buy a van to sleep in? He had never thought of that. He might have thought about it. I never saw him again.

[HereWeGo]

While in Hawaii last month, a guy in his 30s sat by us who clearly wasn't in the best attire and looked a little rough. He said his phone was shut off and gave us how much he needed to turn it back on. He only wanted a few dollars, from each person he would ask, to get to the amount ne needed. We gave him $3. We kept talking on the ride and he said how he was homeless and living on the beach. He was between jobs that he would pick up.

A guy in a wheelchair came on board across from us with a sign saying he needed to hire someone for near full time care. Our new friend immediately started talking to this handicapped guy about how he had provided such care for a lady he named and he would love to do that for this handicapped guy. Mr. Handicap asked for his phone number and I had a pen and paper. Our friend asked him to try the number for a few days because it may not be working for a few days. He was told that he would be contacted. I gave our new friend enough money to turn his phone back on. Our new friend actually started crying.

[TwochurchesOnly]

Even just a simple search on the charitable organizations, like CARE for instance, you can see what this is truly about! You could be helping save a life! Oh sorry, I mean aborting a life!

https://www.care-international.org/what ... ive-health

yep
global & sustainable = ldscorp favorite words

[SimpleSaint]

So another group funded through the Getting Machines is Church World Services (CWS) which basically is a non-profit that helps to relocate refugees, mostly to the U.S.

Per CWS Facebook page:

"Church World Services is a faith-based organization transforming communities around the globe."

Could the church be funding organizations, such as CWS, that are kinda like the Biden administration where they fly in refugees to anywhere in the U.S.?(https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... -43-cities)

With that insight, can we also safely say that funds from the Getting Machines could also help with displacement of Gazans to the US in the near future? Gazans that could possibly include some Hamas militants within the mix? (https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/ ... 6661946862)

Gotta love what results when you put even just a little effort into personal revelation rather than just trusting that church leaders have prayed about and vetted these organzations.

[David13]

Most are cheats. I see every beggar wearing better clothes than me, and many then driving a car 8x more expensive than mine at the end of their begging. They make enough to pay off that expensive car, live, have children, etc., without working.

Exactly. What has changed is that the beggars have become better and more "professional" at their begging. A person truly in need does not spend hours outside a 7-11 asking for "spare change, man."

Yes, people DO tell lies. Yes, all people.

I suppose I should add most particularly Mormons. But most definitely dopers and alcoholics.
dc

I don't know the specifics of these "giving machines" but it all seems to reek heavily of ... SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.

I don't pay as much attention to the ones that do it for a living. Like the woman at the freeway off-ramp. She is there 5 days a week. Probably collects a $20 every ten minutes all day long. I asked a guy at the drive thru at McDonalds after I had already gave him over a $100, about his situation, and he said he stayed in a $60 a night motel. I asked him why he didn't just buy a van to sleep in? He had never thought of that. He might have thought about it. I never saw him again.

It's because the city gives him a voucher for the motel. The city pays for it.

The city ain't gonna buy him no van, with or without a heater.
dc

[David13]

I been watching some of the videos from Denver showing all the tent city on the sidewalks and all the people out there, living on the sidewalk, in the snow.

And thinking about the billions, billions of $$$ that the "government" has given to Ukraine, and the TRILLIONS they provide to the "military" for protection? Protection from what? Outer space aliens? Martians attacking?

Remember, they have defined the "enemy" as ... conservative republicans.
dc

[buffalo_girl]

Our Ward had the Primary program. One squirrely 9-year old - who in times past stood right up front during the singing portions with a finger in his nose - succumbed to peer pressure by behaving a bit closer to social consciousness whilst a new younger boy of African nationality dressed in a bright orange t-shirt, and suffering from either ptsd or autism stood apart from the other children waving his arms musically in time with their singing. Toward the end of the program he came to the podium where he delivered his assigned text on the Holy Ghost in a voice so forceful & clear he scared himself before realizing how well he had done and broke into a glorious smile.
Our Primary President - whose son was in past years the child of interest at such presentations - gave the new Primary Star a high five.

Our 5th Sunday was given by the Stake self-reliance director. She tied temporal self-reliance to spiritual self-reliance with emphasis on being worthy of ongoing personal inspiration & revelation in order to survive unforeseen challenges.

The 126-mile round trip drive to church was worth it! Isn’t always though.

[Seed Starter]

Exactly. What has changed is that the beggars have become better and more "professional" at their begging. A person truly in need does not spend hours outside a 7-11 asking for "spare change, man."

Yes, people DO tell lies. Yes, all people.

I suppose I should add most particularly Mormons. But most definitely dopers and alcoholics.
dc

I don't know the specifics of these "giving machines" but it all seems to reek heavily of ... SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.

I saw the same guy begging at a parking lot in a different city - same scam. Some - especially in bigger cities may authentically be wanting money -but often it’s to use & eventually overdose on drugs. An ex drug addict said him having money when he was so addicted, was bad - like a death sentence.

I used to pass out a list of resources they could go to for food, clothing & shelter.

Whenever I’m asked to donate or give to a beggar, I remind myself that my personal priority for giving is a few families in a real poor country which doesn’t have a list of resources for people to turn to in times of need. There, many people live with dirt floors, leaky tin roofs and having 2 meals a day is for the more well off. Once, on the streets of a “3rd world” area, a disabled woman sold suckers. I bought a bunch and later gave them to kids.

If beggars at least tried to earn $ - I’d try to help. God helps those who help themselves.


Regarding the OP, Utah has high rates for SCAMS… follow the leader/profits…

Never had I been engrossed in so much pyramid scheming than I had been when I was at BYU Provo.

That scripture about not letting these things get above you has to be a modern warning about MLM's but to some Utah Mormons it means get in on the scam early LOL Showing pyramid scheme participants a white board is like showing a cross to a vampire

[Seed Starter]

Even just a simple search on the charitable organizations, like CARE for instance, you can see what this is truly about! You could be helping save a life! Oh sorry, I mean aborting a life!

https://www.care-international.org/what ... ive-health

Light the world-fund abortion and other anti-Christ principles. Good job, you're social credit score has improved. Here's a new avatar for your profile that shows a baby aka collection of cells with a line through it so you can show how well you lit the world this holiday season. You keep this up you might just an in person atta-boy or atta-girl from a fellow ward member who sees how fabulous you are. You are on your way to moving from a useless eater to a valued member of society by 2030. Congrats!

[FrankOne]

A person has to be brain dead if they can not find people to help without a machine. A machine is like a go fund me with no specified recipient. The recipient by actually be satan himself. If it goes to a democrat, it will be used to kill children. If it goes to the red cross, it will be used to fund bioweapons. If it goes to Gaza, it will be used to fund Hamas. On and on. There are damn few legitimate charities anymore. A legitimate charity is one where over 90% of funds collected go to the actual person that needs it. The LDS Church is not a legitimate charity. They don't even pretend any more. They just say right up front that it is none of your damn business where the money goes. It might go to treat Michelle Obama's erectile dysfunction.

If you see someone in Walmart to get warm, or without shoes or coat, that is your donation point. If anyone asks you for money to eat and you say no because you think they will buy drugs or alcohol, you are a pud.

Even in the most legit charities, they only give 5% directly to the recipients specified. It's the minimum required by law for any registered charitable company.

yah.. so when a restaurant or whoever asks "would you like to round up the amount and give the coins to a charity?"....someone is laughing at you because they are taking 95% . I just had that happen again to me yesterday at panda express.

[dreamtheater76]

Welcome to the Machine…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fn1R-5p_j ... BtYWNoaW5l
and
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uc6f_2nPS ... Igcm9ib3Rv

Sorry these 2 songs came to mind. I thought charity was the pure love of Christ. Not AI.

[Fred]

A person has to be brain dead if they can not find people to help without a machine. A machine is like a go fund me with no specified recipient. The recipient by actually be satan himself. If it goes to a democrat, it will be used to kill children. If it goes to the red cross, it will be used to fund bioweapons. If it goes to Gaza, it will be used to fund Hamas. On and on. There are damn few legitimate charities anymore. A legitimate charity is one where over 90% of funds collected go to the actual person that needs it. The LDS Church is not a legitimate charity. They don't even pretend any more. They just say right up front that it is none of your damn business where the money goes. It might go to treat Michelle Obama's erectile dysfunction.

If you see someone in Walmart to get warm, or without shoes or coat, that is your donation point. If anyone asks you for money to eat and you say no because you think they will buy drugs or alcohol, you are a pud.

Even in the most legit charities, they only give 5% directly to the recipients specified. It's the minimum required by law for any registered charitable company.

yah.. so when a restaurant or whoever asks "would you like to round up the amount and give the coins to a charity?"....someone is laughing at you because they are taking 95% . I just had that happen again to me yesterday at panda express.

That is exactly right! I always say the same thing: "No, because it is a scam!" They just laugh at me like I'm an idiot and say "of course it is."

[Bonhoeffer]

In the Denver area we had to push corporate giving to these giving machines. They were told they had to raise a minimum of $1 million. A person was given a calling to call corporations & businesses in the metro area virtually begging for donations. Their biggest hangup, rightfully so, was concern that the $ donated would go to the charity and not the church. They didn’t want to be seen as donating to the LDS church.
To put this in better perspective of how high of an ask this huge dollar amount was, the most we ever received in donations in prior yrs with the machines was just over $700k. They’ve also been in areas that aren’t well trafficked and Denver has become very unsafe to visit a family’s were hesitant to visit for fear of being assaulted or having their car stolen. When we’d share concerns with those in charge of the machines we were told they were unfounded & should “trust in God more.”

I had to work the machines for our “stake day” and took a picture of what they were asking people to donate towards: Ducks, bandaids (literally bandaids), pencils & crayons for schools, flu shots and other useless items. Once I saw “Flu shots” I decided I’m never giving a cent to this “church” again.

So now you might be wondering how well they did. I’ll let this number speak for itself. Total donations: $267,887

[Bonhoeffer]

Just had a presentation during our whole second hour about the Giving Machines. Just wondering how much we really know about how these things work, what charity organizations does it incorporate, how the funds are distributed, etc. Just need more info about this new charity endeavor?(especially in light of the recent SEC fine)

It's not new
Last year around this time, Both talks in a Sacrament mtg were full on "giving machine" propaganda-
Devoid of Spirit of God
ruined what little light and truth was present during sacrament portion
How about we talk of Christ and His true doctrine
during sacrament meeting - His example, His teachings, His commandments...
it's become pretty much home centered learning for me

These meetings and talks are a marketing effort by the stake to push the machines. It’s part of the stake communications council under direction from the stake President to educate members on the machines. They like to think it’ll be an amazing missionary tool. I was supposed to speak in various wards last year on them but couldn’t bc I was at my daughters college graduation. Soon after that I asked for my release after seeing info on the DC temple inviting the gay mens choir to perform on their temple grounds.