It's that time of year again

[SimpleSaint]

Just had a presentation during our whole second hour about the Giving Machines. Just wondering how much we really know about how these things work, what charity organizations does it incorporate, how the funds are distributed, etc. Just need more info about this new charity endeavor?(especially in light of the recent SEC fine)

[Fred]

A person has to be brain dead if they can not find people to help without a machine. A machine is like a go fund me with no specified recipient. The recipient by actually be satan himself. If it goes to a democrat, it will be used to kill children. If it goes to the red cross, it will be used to fund bioweapons. If it goes to Gaza, it will be used to fund Hamas. On and on. There are damn few legitimate charities anymore. A legitimate charity is one where over 90% of funds collected go to the actual person that needs it. The LDS Church is not a legitimate charity. They don't even pretend any more. They just say right up front that it is none of your damn business where the money goes. It might go to treat Michelle Obama's erectile dysfunction.

If you see someone in Walmart to get warm, or without shoes or coat, that is your donation point. If anyone asks you for money to eat and you say no because you think they will buy drugs or alcohol, you are a pud.

[Ebenezer]

The virtue signal vending machines, photo-op backdrop included, are just another way to send money to global NGOs who then spend that money on running the global NGO.

The Deseret News said in 2019 that:

"The Giving Machines are full of items supplied through partner charities that are global, such as UNICEF, Church World Service, WaterAid, Water For People and International Medical Corps, as well as local, including Eye Care 4 Kids, Utah Food Bank and Utah Refugee Connection."

There's absolutely ZERO evidence that when you buy a goat you really bought a goat. You might actually be buying hookers and blow for Klaus Schwab.

[Lizzy60]

The two Stake Facebook pages I read are going all gaga over the few Giving Machines that will be in our area. It’s like we have been gifted some amazing opportunity that only LDSCorp can provide.

[GeeR]

A person has to be brain dead if they can not find people to help without a machine. A machine is like a go fund me with no specified recipient. The recipient by actually be satan himself. If it goes to a democrat, it will be used to kill children. If it goes to the red cross, it will be used to fund bioweapons. If it goes to Gaza, it will be used to fund Hamas. On and on. There are damn few legitimate charities anymore. A legitimate charity is one where over 90% of funds collected go to the actual person that needs it. The LDS Church is not a legitimate charity. They don't even pretend any more. They just say right up front that it is none of your damn business where the money goes. It might go to treat Michelle Obama's erectile dysfunction.

If you see someone in Walmart to get warm, or without shoes or coat, that is your donation point. If anyone asks you for money to eat and you say no because you think they will buy drugs or alcohol, you are a pud.

L.A Times Reports On Ties Between U.S. Muslim Brotherhood And Mormon Church

https://www.globalmbwatch.com/2008/04/0 ... on-church/

[LostCreekAcres]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

[Fred]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

The true purpose of the LDS Church is to collect money. Jesus is just the bait they use to do it. If you think any organization that promotes the jab, masks, and lockdowns, care about humanity, you are having difficulty recognizing satan. I don't mean you personally.

Hitler killed fewer people.

[LostCreekAcres]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

The true purpose of the LDS Church is to collect money. Jesus is just the bait they use to do it. If you think any organization that promotes the jab, masks, and lockdowns, care about humanity, you are having difficulty recognizing satan. I don't mean you personally.

Hitler killed fewer people.

I'm with you on all - have probably only attended Sacrament meeting about 6-8 times this year. Before the Cov1d debacle, I was pretty true blue. Have awakened to my awful situation (within the church) as I had to my awful situation in the world. I just keep thinking this is still His church and that He will fix things eventually. I'm basically a casual observer at this point.

[tribrac]

Giving to others creates positive feelings in the giver, and in the one who receives.

Imo corporate giving is sort of like pornography. The giver still feels a rush for contributing, but it is a hollow, fleeting feeling because it was given to an imaginary person in need, it is a fantasy.

Not to say that charitable giving is abusing yourself. Just that a better way is possible when the giver and receiver share more than a financial transaction, but connect on a human level and become friends.

[Cruiserdude]

That's sad. That idol, the giving machine, is not of Christ. It's from the corporate side of the corporation....

I am happy to share that out here in Redneck-ville, our sacrament meeting was a primary program about Jesus. Don't know if it was done intentionally to contrast the weekend of Halloween but I like to think it was, that it was inspired for this specific weekend when most of the rest of the country focuses on 'other things'.
And I do have to share that the spirit did testify to me during this program of the truth of our Savior, and the necessity that we must become as little children.
Matthew 18:3, Jesus said, "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

I love the primary programs and the primary children and classes. Truth and the spirit are still found there.
Matthew 18:20, "For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I with them."

[BuriedTartaria]

A person has to be brain dead if they can not find people to help without a machine.

Yeah, in Utah county, I don't have enough money to keep up with the amount of people I'm seeing outside of grocery stores asking for money. There's opportunity to give all over the place. We've always had those in need, homeless, and those living in lower class/poverty, but things have changed. In peaceful Utah county, I never saw the amount of people standing on the corner of streets asking for money or right outside of grocery stores as a kid, as a teenager, in my 20s. Things have changed. The decline and collapse is real.

[JuneBug12000]

That's sad. That idol, the giving machine, is not of Christ. It's from the corporate side of the corporation....

I am happy to share that out here in Redneck-ville, our sacrament meeting was a primary program about Jesus. Don't know if it was done intentionally to contrast the weekend of Halloween but I like to think it was, that it was inspired for this specific weekend when most of the rest of the country focuses on 'other things'.
And I do have to share that the spirit did testify to me during this program of the truth of our Savior, and the necessity that we must become as little children.
Matthew 18:3, Jesus said, "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

I love the primary programs and the primary children and classes. Truth and the spirit are still found there.
Matthew 18:20, "For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I with them."

We don't celebrate Halloween in our family, but we do celebrate Reformation Day. A worthy trade off for the kids.

[tribrac]

In honor of reformation day...

Theses 43-49

Christians are to be taught that he who gives to the poor or lends to the needy does a better deed than he who buys indulgences.

Because love grows by works of love, man thereby becomes better. Man does not, however, become better by means of indulgences but is merely freed from penalties.

Christians are to be taught that he who sees a needy man and passes him by, yet gives his money for indulgences, does not buy papal indulgences but God's wrath.

Christians are to be taught that, unless they have more than they need, they must reserve enough for their family needs and by no means squander it on indulgences.

Christians are to be taught that they buying of indulgences is a matter of free choice, not commanded.

Read Luther's entire letter here:

https://www.luther.de/en/95thesen.html

[Cruiserdude]

That's sad. That idol, the giving machine, is not of Christ. It's from the corporate side of the corporation....

I am happy to share that out here in Redneck-ville, our sacrament meeting was a primary program about Jesus. Don't know if it was done intentionally to contrast the weekend of Halloween but I like to think it was, that it was inspired for this specific weekend when most of the rest of the country focuses on 'other things'.
And I do have to share that the spirit did testify to me during this program of the truth of our Savior, and the necessity that we must become as little children.
Matthew 18:3, Jesus said, "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

I love the primary programs and the primary children and classes. Truth and the spirit are still found there.
Matthew 18:20, "For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I with them."

We don't celebrate Halloween in our family, but we do celebrate Reformation Day. A worthy trade off for the kids.

I really don't have an issue with families doing the trick or treat stuff, trunk or treat, etc. Many go way overboard with it, even then I guess I don't personally really care. My heart was just really happy to see it was a primary program today. I don't go to church every week. I've been wanting to NOT go to church, but felt specifically prompted to go today. So I did. I think the Lord still wants me to be a part of things at the ward level. I'm still trying to find my way through all that's going on with the corp and that end of things. Anywho....


I had to look that one up,

Reformation day:
According to Philip Melanchthon, 31 October 1517 was the day German Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-five Theses on the door of the All Saints' Church in Wittenberg, Electorate of Saxony in the Holy Roman Empire.

That's pretty neat day to focus on and celebrate to stay out of the Halloween stuff.

[Cruiserdude]

In honor of reformation day...

Theses 43-49

Christians are to be taught that he who gives to the poor or lends to the needy does a better deed than he who buys indulgences.

Because love grows by works of love, man thereby becomes better. Man does not, however, become better by means of indulgences but is merely freed from penalties.

Christians are to be taught that he who sees a needy man and passes him by, yet gives his money for indulgences, does not buy papal indulgences but God's wrath.

Christians are to be taught that, unless they have more than they need, they must reserve enough for their family needs and by no means squander it on indulgences.

Christians are to be taught that they buying of indulgences is a matter of free choice, not commanded.

These points are very well stated

[Niemand]

Look here
viewtopic.php?t=68468

[Arm Chair Quarterback]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

There's a lot of talk bout the process of things. Two hours of process for me today. Talks about how we do things and why. The youth got an ear full of "if you run into kids at school who have studied church history and are telling you things that make you uncomfortable, don't listen to them, listen to the spirit instead."

[SimpleSaint]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

I hear ya. Today was a fifth Sunday so it was a missionary themed meeting... which turned into a meeting about tithing?? I wonder what all our less active members and investigators were thinking... Definitely a difficult meeting to get through today. My husband and I are now theorizing that they are doing this on purpose to just push the freedom loving awake members out of the church so we don't foiltheir plans for going full throttle into the NWO

[TwochurchesOnly]

Look here
viewtopic.php?t=68468

even creepier this time around -
such evil vibes from sharon
Protect the children from any of this corruption

[TwochurchesOnly]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

There's a lot of talk bout the process of things. Two hours of process for me today. Talks about how we do things and why. The youth got an ear full of "if you run into kids at school who have studied church history and are telling you things that make you uncomfortable, don't listen to them, listen to the spirit instead."

wow

[TwochurchesOnly]

Just had a presentation during our whole second hour about the Giving Machines. Just wondering how much we really know about how these things work, what charity organizations does it incorporate, how the funds are distributed, etc. Just need more info about this new charity endeavor?(especially in light of the recent SEC fine)

It's not new
Last year around this time, Both talks in a Sacrament mtg were full on "giving machine" propaganda-
Devoid of Spirit of God
ruined what little light and truth was present during sacrament portion
How about we talk of Christ and His true doctrine
during sacrament meeting - His example, His teachings, His commandments...
it's become pretty much home centered learning for me

[Fred]

Why? Why is this part of a Sabbath day presentation at all. Pass out a flyer if you must, but shouldn't we be focused on Christ himself in church worship?
I guess I'm sore because I decided I'd attend Sacrament meeting today (alone). Haven't been in over a month. Discussed with husband how I hope that today's meeting will focus on our Savior and not on girl's camp, "testimonies" about our trips, personal hardships, etc., Primary programs or missionary returns. Now I can add the Giving Machines to my list. Ugh.

There's a lot of talk bout the process of things. Two hours of process for me today. Talks about how we do things and why. The youth got an ear full of "if you run into kids at school who have studied church history and are telling you things that make you uncomfortable, don't listen to them, listen to the spirit instead."

I wonder if they mean the evil spirits that the Q15 listen to?

[JohnnyL]

A person has to be brain dead if they can not find people to help without a machine.

Yeah, in Utah county, I don't have enough money to keep up with the amount of people I'm seeing outside of grocery stores asking for money. There's opportunity to give all over the place. We've always had those in need, homeless, and those living in lower class/poverty, but things have changed. In peaceful Utah county, I never saw the amount of people standing on the corner of streets asking for money or right outside of grocery stores as a kid, as a teenager, in my 20s. Things have changed. The decline and collapse is real.

Most are cheats. I see every beggar wearing better clothes than me, and many then driving a car 8x more expensive than mine at the end of their begging. They make enough to pay off that expensive car, live, have children, etc., without working.

[Chip]

The Getting Machine

[David13]

A person has to be brain dead if they can not find people to help without a machine.

Yeah, in Utah county, I don't have enough money to keep up with the amount of people I'm seeing outside of grocery stores asking for money. There's opportunity to give all over the place. We've always had those in need, homeless, and those living in lower class/poverty, but things have changed. In peaceful Utah county, I never saw the amount of people standing on the corner of streets asking for money or right outside of grocery stores as a kid, as a teenager, in my 20s. Things have changed. The decline and collapse is real.

Most are cheats. I see every beggar wearing better clothes than me, and many then driving a car 8x more expensive than mine at the end of their begging. They make enough to pay off that expensive car, live, have children, etc., without working.

Exactly. What has changed is that the beggars have become better and more "professional" at their begging. A person truly in need does not spend hours outside a 7-11 asking for "spare change, man."

Yes, people DO tell lies. Yes, all people.

I suppose I should add most particularly Mormons. But most definitely dopers and alcoholics.
dc

I don't know the specifics of these "giving machines" but it all seems to reek heavily of ... SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.