There is Evidence of Ritual Abuse

[Utahred]

This is my Substack article that everyone needs to read regarding ritual abuse in Utah. It's real and it's happening now. The "Satanic Panic" theory is a lie and here's why I know.

https://utahcindy.substack.com/p/there- ... tual-abuse

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Also, False Memory Syndrome is a copout and an institutionally accepted way to discredit victims. Abusers conspired outside of courts to invent a way to explain victims' statements. This was explained in Cathy O'Brien's testimony in the book, Access Denied: For Reasons Of National Security.

Her account is of trying to regain custody of her daughter from an abusive federal govt. institution.

[Mamabear]

https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2023/10 ... ng-clergy/

“A lawsuit against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints could become the legal basis for the state Supreme Court to consider — and void — a statute that protects members of the clergy from disclosing an adherent’s confession of child molestation.

And that could open the door not only to the victims of a church member in this case to sue its bishops for hiding what they knew but pave the way for a series of actions against other religions that have until now been shielded from being sued for failing to disclose what they knew about incidents involving not only their own faithful but also clergy members.

In a new filing, attorney David Abney says the long-standing law is unconstitutional. He said it gives special privileges to members of a religion that do not exist for others who provide counseling, including psychologists and social workers, who are required to report suspected incidents to police or the Department of Child Safety.“

The rest of the article is interesting.

[Hugh Akston]

I grew up in a small town during the Satanic Panic. My whole family were allegedly part of the local coven. When you’re branded this way anything you do or say in response to the hysteria is further proof to them. It also gives license for people to do and say awful things because you’re being accused of perhaps the worst thing imaginable.

There is a segment of society that is willfully credulous and titillated by discussing the subject and the ghoulish details. SRA is the perfect pretext to “righteously” indulge in what would otherwise be too vile to even hit at. These people are impregnable to reason or fact.

This aspect of early 90s fashion is one of many I wish would stay in the past.

[LostCreekAcres]

I grew up in a small town during the Satanic Panic. My whole family were allegedly part of the local coven. When you’re branded this way anything you do or say in response to the hysteria is further proof to them. It also gives license for people to do and say awful things because you’re being accused of perhaps the worst thing imaginable.

There is a segment of society that is willfully credulous and titillated by discussing the subject and the ghoulish details. SRA is the perfect pretext to “righteously” indulge in what would otherwise be too vile to even hit at. These people are impregnable to reason or fact.

This aspect of early 90s fashion is one of many I wish would stay in the past.

Reminiscent of Salem.
I do believe there are many evil people that do evil things to children. However, we should be very careful when casting stones. Sorry your family had to live through being unrighteously judged like that.

[Robin Hood]

This is my Substack article that everyone needs to read regarding ritual abuse in Utah. It's real and it's happening now. The "Satanic Panic" theory is a lie and here's why I know.

https://utahcindy.substack.com/p/there- ... tual-abuse

Right, straight out of the blocks, I don't believe the story of the bishop taking a young child out of primary every Sunday and raping her.
Having served as a bishop for many years I can tell you no bishop gets time to wander around during primary, and I'm sure other former bishops on here will confirm that.
It's clearly nonsense.

[Reluctant Watchman]

This is my Substack article that everyone needs to read regarding ritual abuse in Utah. It's real and it's happening now. The "Satanic Panic" theory is a lie and here's why I know.

https://utahcindy.substack.com/p/there- ... tual-abuse

Right, straight out of the blocks, I don't believe the story of the bishop taking a young child out of primary every Sunday and raping her.
Having served as a bishop for many years I can tell you no bishop gets time to wander around during primary, and I'm sure other former bishops on here will confirm that.
It's clearly nonsense.

I know bishops who did wander from class to class. Just because your view of the world doesn’t fit the narrative, doesn’t mean it can’t happen.

I bet in your world a priesthood leader who had a son of an apostle confess to having sex acts with a child wouldn’t have been swept under the rug, but it was, and he went on to serve as a stake president. Not your world, but it happened.

[Robin Hood]

Also, False Memory Syndrome is a copout and an institutionally accepted way to discredit victims. Abusers conspired outside of courts to invent a way to explain victims' statements. This was explained in Cathy O'Brien's testimony in the book, Access Denied: For Reasons Of National Security.

Her account is of trying to regain custody of her daughter from an abusive federal govt. institution.

Nevertheless, false memory syndrome is a very real phenomenon.
I'm surprised you mention Cathy O'Brien. She's nutty as a fruitcake, and has now been pretty much discredited.

When I was in my early 20's I went to a local high profile football (soccer) match. It was between two local Premier League rivals and one of them was my team. It was a big deal. We won 2-1. The rival team scored first, but my team responded with two goals in the second half.
I clearly remember the other team taking the lead. I remember the name of the player that scored their goal (Justin Fashanu), and can actually see the goal in my minds eye right now as I write this. I remember the supporters of the rival team celebrating the goal all around me. I remember the noise they made and I can even remember the look on some of their faces. It's a very vivid memory.
I have told my boys the story for years. How they took the lead, but then described the magnificent heroic comeback by our team to win the game.
A few months ago I looked it up in the records. We won 2-0. The other team didn't score, didn't take the lead, their centreforward didn't score, and their fans therefore didn't celebrate around me because they had nothing to celebrate.
It is a false memory.
It is so vivid, even to this day, that if I had been challenged on it prior to checking out the facts, I would have bet my house and sworn all the Bibles in Christendom it happened just as I originally described.

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Also, False Memory Syndrome is a copout and an institutionally accepted way to discredit victims. Abusers conspired outside of courts to invent a way to explain victims' statements. This was explained in Cathy O'Brien's testimony in the book, Access Denied: For Reasons Of National Security.

Her account is of trying to regain custody of her daughter from an abusive federal govt. institution.

Nevertheless, false memory syndrome is a very real phenomenon.
I'm surprised you mention Cathy O'Brien. She's nutty as a fruitcake, and has now been pretty much discredited.

When I was in my early 20's I went to a local high profile football (soccer) match. It was between two local Premier League rivals and one of them was my team. It was a big deal. We won 2-1. The rival team scored first, but my team responded with two goals in the second half.
I clearly remember the other team taking the lead. I remember the name of the player that scored their goal (Justin Fashanu), and can actually see the goal in my minds eye right now as I write this. I remember the supporters of the rival team celebrating the goal all around me. I remember the noise they made and I can even remember the look on some of their faces. It's a very vivid memory.
I have told my boys the story for years. How they took the lead, but then described the magnificent heroic comeback by our team to win the game.
A few months ago I looked it up in the records. We won 2-0. The other team didn't score, didn't take the lead, their centreforward didn't score, and their fans therefore didn't celebrate around me because they had nothing to celebrate.
It is a false memory.
It is so vivid, even to this day, that if I had been challenged on it prior to checking out the facts, I would have bet my house and sworn all the Bibles in Christendom it happened just as I originally described.

You have no reason to discredit a witness and in such a fashion, as most victim's are discredited for being "crazy."

Sounds like something David Leavitt would say. Wait; he did say that about a victim.

Have you read her books? Have you ever been involved in abuse? Victim? Abuser?

[Wolfwoman]

I think it’s definitely possibly that it goes on.
I also think it’s possible that false memory syndrome exists.
I don’t believe Hugh Nibley sexually abused his daughter, for example. I believe that idea was planted in her memories by one of the false memory therapists at the time.

[Robin Hood]

Also, False Memory Syndrome is a copout and an institutionally accepted way to discredit victims. Abusers conspired outside of courts to invent a way to explain victims' statements. This was explained in Cathy O'Brien's testimony in the book, Access Denied: For Reasons Of National Security.

Her account is of trying to regain custody of her daughter from an abusive federal govt. institution.

Nevertheless, false memory syndrome is a very real phenomenon.
I'm surprised you mention Cathy O'Brien. She's nutty as a fruitcake, and has now been pretty much discredited.

When I was in my early 20's I went to a local high profile football (soccer) match. It was between two local Premier League rivals and one of them was my team. It was a big deal. We won 2-1. The rival team scored first, but my team responded with two goals in the second half.
I clearly remember the other team taking the lead. I remember the name of the player that scored their goal (Justin Fashanu), and can actually see the goal in my minds eye right now as I write this. I remember the supporters of the rival team celebrating the goal all around me. I remember the noise they made and I can even remember the look on some of their faces. It's a very vivid memory.
I have told my boys the story for years. How they took the lead, but then described the magnificent heroic comeback by our team to win the game.
A few months ago I looked it up in the records. We won 2-0. The other team didn't score, didn't take the lead, their centreforward didn't score, and their fans therefore didn't celebrate around me because they had nothing to celebrate.
It is a false memory.
It is so vivid, even to this day, that if I had been challenged on it prior to checking out the facts, I would have bet my house and sworn all the Bibles in Christendom it happened just as I originally described.

You have no reason to discredit a witness and in such a fashion, as most victim's are discredited for being "crazy."

Sounds like something David Leavitt would say. Wait; he did say that about a victim.

Have you read her books? Have you ever been involved in abuse? Victim? Abuser?

I read Trance-formation America a few years ago. Like I said, nutty as a fruitcake.

[Robin Hood]

This is my Substack article that everyone needs to read regarding ritual abuse in Utah. It's real and it's happening now. The "Satanic Panic" theory is a lie and here's why I know.

https://utahcindy.substack.com/p/there- ... tual-abuse

Right, straight out of the blocks, I don't believe the story of the bishop taking a young child out of primary every Sunday and raping her.
Having served as a bishop for many years I can tell you no bishop gets time to wander around during primary, and I'm sure other former bishops on here will confirm that.
It's clearly nonsense.

I know bishops who did wander from class to class. Just because your view of the world doesn’t fit the narrative, doesn’t mean it can’t happen.

I bet in your world a priesthood leader who had a son of an apostle confess to having sex acts with a child wouldn’t have been swept under the rug, but it was, and he went on to serve as a stake president. Not your world, but it happened.

Apparently it was a grandson.

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Nevertheless, false memory syndrome is a very real phenomenon.
I'm surprised you mention Cathy O'Brien. She's nutty as a fruitcake, and has now been pretty much discredited.

When I was in my early 20's I went to a local high profile football (soccer) match. It was between two local Premier League rivals and one of them was my team. It was a big deal. We won 2-1. The rival team scored first, but my team responded with two goals in the second half.
I clearly remember the other team taking the lead. I remember the name of the player that scored their goal (Justin Fashanu), and can actually see the goal in my minds eye right now as I write this. I remember the supporters of the rival team celebrating the goal all around me. I remember the noise they made and I can even remember the look on some of their faces. It's a very vivid memory.
I have told my boys the story for years. How they took the lead, but then described the magnificent heroic comeback by our team to win the game.
A few months ago I looked it up in the records. We won 2-0. The other team didn't score, didn't take the lead, their centreforward didn't score, and their fans therefore didn't celebrate around me because they had nothing to celebrate.
It is a false memory.
It is so vivid, even to this day, that if I had been challenged on it prior to checking out the facts, I would have bet my house and sworn all the Bibles in Christendom it happened just as I originally described.

You have no reason to discredit a witness and in such a fashion, as most victim's are discredited for being "crazy."

Sounds like something David Leavitt would say. Wait; he did say that about a victim.

Have you read her books? Have you ever been involved in abuse? Victim? Abuser?

I read Trance-formation America a few years ago. Like I said, nutty as a fruitcake.

Yeah it sounds like Hollywood. She lived a tortured life, literally. A human robot and a slave. Government property and sold as a child. Scenarios that sound like movie scripts have the added benefit of plausible deniability. Ever see Firestarter?
I don't know if she was completely recovered when Trance was written, but I do know that her third book, PTSD Time To Heal is frequently cited as good literature for victims' recovery. JR Sweet cited it.

Did I tell you you sound like an abuser when you say: "that person is crazy because she lived an unbelievable life"

Hear her testimony, then.

trance-formation.com

[Reluctant Watchman]

I know bishops who did wander from class to class. Just because your view of the world doesn’t fit the narrative, doesn’t mean it can’t happen.

I bet in your world a priesthood leader who had a son of an apostle confess to having sex acts with a child wouldn’t have been swept under the rug, but it was, and he went on to serve as a stake president. Not your world, but it happened.

Apparently it was a grandson.

Yes, that’s what my mind thought, but my fingers did not type.

[Robin Hood]

You have no reason to discredit a witness and in such a fashion, as most victim's are discredited for being "crazy."

Sounds like something David Leavitt would say. Wait; he did say that about a victim.

Have you read her books? Have you ever been involved in abuse? Victim? Abuser?

I read Trance-formation America a few years ago. Like I said, nutty as a fruitcake.

Yeah it sounds like Hollywood. She lived a tortured life, literally. A human robot and a slave. Government property and sold as a child. Scenarios that sound like movie scripts have the added benefit of plausible deniability. Ever see Firestarter?
I don't know if she was completely recovered when Trance was written, but I do know that her third book, PTSD Time To Heal is frequently cited as good literature for victims' recovery. JR Sweet cited it.

Did I tell you you sound like an abuser when you say: "that person is crazy because she lived an unbelievable life"

Hear her testimony, then.

trance-formation.com

I just don't believe her. I think it's all made up.

[Mindfields]

I still hold to the axiom, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

[Robin Hood]

I still hold to the axiom, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Completely agree.

[OPMissionary]

I really wish someone had a smoking gun to prove all these allegations. Witness accounts decades after the fact are not nothing, but you will never get anywhere with that considering the kind of people you're up against. It's almost not even worth talking about until and unless you have a real case. As we have seen, people will just dismiss you.