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Teancum1
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I love to learn from Dr John Campbell. Here is his latest 13-14 minute video regarding the phrase “safe and effective”. The leadership of the church should be ashamed of their recklessness.

https://youtu.be/gdeYzaTZsOA?si=IP8n53RAx31svnIm

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I agree that what happened was very unfortunate, however, at the same time
If people could not see the warning signs and red flags for themselves about how strongly this was being pushed I'm just not quite sure what to tell them.

Teancum1
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Godislove wrote: October 26th, 2023, 1:40 pm I agree that what happened was very unfortunate, however, at the same time
If people could not see the warning signs and red flags for themselves about how strongly this was being pushed I'm just not quite sure what to tell them.
The crazy thing is - most still do not or will not believe that the jab is anything but safe and effective. The callousness of most members makes me sad. The attitude is that they “followed the prophet” so they will be blessed. The problem is safe and effective was illegal for the pharmaceutical companies to say so they left it to churches, and government agencies and captured MDs to tout its safety.
But if you are a prophet then it seems you should receive a witness of what God is saying instead of telling God what you expect Him to do.
These men have done more to physically and spiritually harm and abuse their followers than any before them.

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I am thankful to God for the intervention of the Holy Spirit to teach me more about the Word of Wisdom.

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The phrase "safe and effective" has caused so much pain that the Church will never be able to back itself out of that one. Close to home I've lost so many loved ones mother, son, brother-in-law, sister in law, Aunts, Uncles, nephews, cousins, close friends, close brethren and sisters in the church that I can't keep track of now. All, since 2020. Just read the obituary of my former temple president who I considered in good health passed. A close friend in our old ward died of turbo cancer last week. Just found out yesterday, my former Bishop got a heart attack. Also, found out yesterday a girl in the yw has heart conditions. The second one in the ward with heart conditions. Mind you there's only three young women the ward. It's got to a point besides people leaving the church, they can't fill ward, stake and Temple callings due to the fact people are sick, dying, or already have passed on. All directly or indirectly from the jab. "Safe and effective " add "godsend " to it will go down as phrase words that will be remembered here and well into the eternaties.

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Pathway2DaCross wrote: October 27th, 2023, 3:56 pm The phrase "safe and effective" has caused so much pain that the Church will never be able to back itself out of that one. Close to home I've lost so many loved ones mother, son, brother-in-law, sister in law, Aunts, Uncles, nephews, cousins, close friends, close brethren and sisters in the church that I can't keep track of now. All, since 2020. Just read the obituary of my former temple president who I considered in good health passed. A close friend in our old ward died of turbo cancer last week. Just found out yesterday, my former Bishop got a heart attack. Also, found out yesterday a girl in the yw has heart conditions. The second one in the ward with heart conditions. Mind you there's only three young women the ward. It's got to a point besides people leaving the church, they can't fill ward, stake and Temple callings due to the fact people are sick, dying, or already have passed on. All directly or indirectly from the jab. "Safe and effective " add "godsend " to it will go down as phrase words that will be remembered here and well into the eternaties.

If you were to ask any of the leaders in my ward or stake, they would get a puzzled look on their face, like a lawyer feigning confusion. Then, they'd tell you all that is "past" and subtly shame you for even considering such things. They would then remind you of the things that President Nelson has said recently, which have no relevance to the issue, of course.

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Pathway2DaCross wrote: October 27th, 2023, 3:56 pm The phrase "safe and effective" has caused so much pain that the Church will never be able to back itself out of that one. Close to home I've lost so many loved ones mother, son, brother-in-law, sister in law, Aunts, Uncles, nephews, cousins, close friends, close brethren and sisters in the church that I can't keep track of now. All, since 2020. Just read the obituary of my former temple president who I considered in good health passed. A close friend in our old ward died of turbo cancer last week. Just found out yesterday, my former Bishop got a heart attack. Also, found out yesterday a girl in the yw has heart conditions. The second one in the ward with heart conditions. Mind you there's only three young women the ward. It's got to a point besides people leaving the church, they can't fill ward, stake and Temple callings due to the fact people are sick, dying, or already have passed on. All directly or indirectly from the jab. "Safe and effective " add "godsend " to it will go down as phrase words that will be remembered here and well into the eternaties.
I come from a family, that came to Salt Lake on a wagon with Brigham Young. I have cousins, second cousins, aunts, and uncles. Some took the shot when the prophet urged them to take the “Godsend” They all regret taking the shot! Some have been injured.

Every single one of them is rethinking about what their relationship is to the church or not. It's split families where one spouse wants to keep going to the church and another wants nothing more about it anymore. One very close cousin told me that she keeps going hoping that the church reconciles with the COVID debacle.

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Hiker wrote: October 27th, 2023, 4:41 pm
Pathway2DaCross wrote: October 27th, 2023, 3:56 pm The phrase "safe and effective" has caused so much pain that the Church will never be able to back itself out of that one. Close to home I've lost so many loved ones mother, son, brother-in-law, sister in law, Aunts, Uncles, nephews, cousins, close friends, close brethren and sisters in the church that I can't keep track of now. All, since 2020. Just read the obituary of my former temple president who I considered in good health passed. A close friend in our old ward died of turbo cancer last week. Just found out yesterday, my former Bishop got a heart attack. Also, found out yesterday a girl in the yw has heart conditions. The second one in the ward with heart conditions. Mind you there's only three young women the ward. It's got to a point besides people leaving the church, they can't fill ward, stake and Temple callings due to the fact people are sick, dying, or already have passed on. All directly or indirectly from the jab. "Safe and effective " add "godsend " to it will go down as phrase words that will be remembered here and well into the eternaties.
I come from a family, that came to Salt Lake on a wagon with Brigham Young. I have cousins, second cousins, aunts, and uncles. Some took the shot when the prophet urged them to take the “Godsend” They all regret taking the shot! Some have been injured.

Every single one of them is rethinking about what their relationship is to the church or not. It's split families where one spouse wants to keep going to the church and another wants nothing more about it anymore. One very close cousin told me that she keeps going hoping that the church reconciles with the COVID debacle.
The corporate church cannot admit error as prophets never lead astray. Except they do.

The only way forward for me is to forgive them and move forward in my walk with Christ. But I have been awakened and now understand that there is no man that I can trust completely. It is only the Lord that I will trust. And for that I will thank the leadership of the church.

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Godislove wrote: October 26th, 2023, 1:40 pm I agree that what happened was very unfortunate, however, at the same time
If people could not see the warning signs and red flags for themselves about how strongly this was being pushed I'm just not quite sure what to tell them.
I would tend to agree as I have no tolerance for stupidity. Some of the people that we might label as too stupid to be considered human, actually aren't. Or they are temporarily, but might awaken to truth.

I have a son in law that I pretty much wrote off as being too stupid to be considered human. He earns over $100k and takes care of my daughter so I let him live. He was born in a staunch democrat home and his father was a union boss. His entire family are dedicated disciples of satan that attend church. But over the last decade or so, he has realized that I am right. He was still too stupid to avoid the jab, and when I told him unions were satan's tool to destroy America, it went against every last thing he had ever learned. But I have been proven correct on every count and now he at least considers truth as a possibility. There is a reason that God gave us a hundred or so years to figure it out.

I don't have any sympathy for anyone that got the shot. I won't waste my time attending their funerals as a result. But some people have been powerfully programmed to believe satan is the answer. They attend church as a social gig but believe that satan outsmarted God by developing the mRNA to fix God's mistake in our immune systems. So in that regard, they are among the most stupid people to ever live. They are actually dedicated disciples of satan, even though they lie and will even stand up on testimony day and lie. They believe in all sorts of evil crap. Labor unions, abortion, licenses, property tax, state police, democrats, etc.

Hopefully, they wake up and repent. But if not, they can follow satan forever. Unless God recycles them as being too stupid to repair.

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