Is John the Revelator the "DS"?

[ransomme]

In the days ahead, you will find that the author (or revealer) of the vision penned/written in "the Book of Revelation" was John the Baptist. Of which, was Elijah/Elias back in the flesh (sackcloth/new wineskin).

John the Beloved was more like a road manager, setting up where Jesus went, to help keep the Master safe (as best as possible), but not a seer. In the AG, Jesus refers to John the Baptist as the very same Elijah who walked straight into the heavenly realm without tasting death. and the greatest of the seers.

Clues abound in the definitions of Beloved & also Divine. Divine actually refers to one's seership if you look at extensive dictionary meanings. John the Baptist was also well beloved. And the "servant" is also referred to as the "apostle". In the Book of Mormon, it specifies that the vision was granted to one of the 12 apostles. In the days after the resurrection, Judas had committed suicide. There were only 11 apostles at that moment. Legends have come down stating there was a 12th member there- John the Baptist participated invisibly.

But it is interesting to note that despite Simon Peter's (Petros) shortcomings, Jesus refers to him as a Cephas which means seer. However, it was not too apparent in that day or era. But in the present, he has definitely proved out as a seer, from what he has revealed. Simon Petros was boisterous back then. Today, he carries those traits somewhat today, yet he comprehends much better..

Paul Solomon, in his Readings PSR # 1560 & 1567 (two snips in Paul's 1994 biography by W. Alexander Wheeler- 'The Prophetic Revelations of Paul Solomon') describe three to come- Paul, the apostle Peter, and John (Pineal/Piniel), of which Paul Solomon noted he had been Paul (Saul) the apostle & soon his work was completed for this current time. (Paul Solomon was injured rescuing a child in Thailand from slavery, and died in 1994 due to those injuries. Paul was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 1993 for his efforts to free enslaved children in Thailand.

I'll stop there for now.

So did JtB get his head cut off?

Is JtB the John of Peter, James and John?

When Jesus spoke of John the Baptist and another John who would be there at the Endtime, who was that other John?

I guess you are saying that Joseph was wrong about reincarnation in this life not being a thing.

[Lynn]

The case of Joseph stating what seems to be reincarnation is not so, was due to the specific case, in which Joseph said it was not that way. I like the way Neil Steede (archeaologist) states things. He tells you what he was told, and what he believes he was told, but yet cautions you that that is his view.

Yes, John the Beloved & the 3 Nephites, are very active, and John the Beloved was not beheaded. But the author of the Book of Revelation is not John the Beloved, as it was not his assignment. It was Elijah's, as the incarnation John the Baptist. Jesus makes it a point to stress Isaiah, as well as Malachi. Jesus states in the AG that John the Baptist was the very same soul- Elijah, who is the greatest of the seers. In the gnostic gospels, Jesus stresses that the head of prophecy is John the Baptist (Elijah). Most do not know it, but John the Baptist is referred to as the 2nd Elijah, the man of action & the 2nd Isaiah, the man of words.

The bit about the head of prophecy is found in the book 'The Secret Teachings of Jesus: 4 Gnostic Gospels' -Marvin W. Meyer (127pp. PB by Vintage Bks, of Random House BT 1390 S43 1986 (1984/1986). See page 7 which is from the Secret Book of James 4:1-4 ...
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"Then I asked, 'Lord, how can we prophesy to these [people] who ask us to prophecy to them? For many ask us, and expect to hear a sermon from us.'
The Lord answered and said, 'Do you not know that the head of prophecy was removed with John?'
I said. 'Lord, is it indeed possible to take away the head of prophecy?'
The Lord said to me, 'When you realize what the head is, and that prophecy comes from the head, then understand what this means: its head was taken away.' "
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Backing up to Neil. In case you do not know. Neil found out about a family by the name Simmons & their research on the ancient Hill Cumorah of the Nephites, which was also called Hill Ramah by the Jaredites. The Simmons found that the true setting of the Book of Mormon was Central America (be it Nephite or Jaredites, or the Mulekites). They were led to Hill Rabon in Oaxaca, Mexico, as a village nearby tells that every first week of April3 men appear in the village that claim they are going to the check on the National Treasury in the Hill (Hill Rabon). Many are poor, so they would like a portion of this treasure, so they try to follow. But due to thickets, they never can keep up with the 3. Well, Neil found out thru his college friend (the youngest of 3 Simmon's sons). So he decided to go down & have an experience. He did, almost killed,. a miracle stopped a machete from cutting off his head by the natives (mostititos). They took him partially bound back to the village & left him with the mayor. Eventually he was released & told not to go to the hill. Well, he went back anyway. It was dark already & he thought he saw a man with a light, but kept alluding him. That is until he rounded one bend of the thickets & there was this man standing there, in some sort of light. He said, I've been expecting you. They talked for awhile. Or Neil said basically the man talked & told him about himself (Neil) and a friend as well. He was told to tell the friend what was shared. He was also told to share his testimony when the opportunity permits And then, the man said ...
1) You are not allowed to further up.
2) For the time is not right.
Neil's interpretation to number one was not to further "up this hill". Number two- Not yet time "for the forthcoming of these records". But Neil cautioned that that is what he felt. The man did not identify himself as one of the 3 Nephites, but due to all being said, Neil was pretty sure it was of the 3 Neil also noted there was light but never really saw a source that it came from.

So like the man here, Joseph Smith did not elaborate to prevent a misunderstanding of what was stated. Joseph was given that reincarnation worked in a specific manner, to which he denied.

[MikeMaillet]

Keep in mind, Section 77 is an 1876 addition to the D&C and it doesn't seem to be congruent with the rest of scripture.

They had lots of documents and unpublished revelations and whatnot. Remember they were *not supposed to publish many or all of them, but they did anyway.

You need to look at other things to see if it is authentic such as if there are surviving supporting documents, when was the revelation received, good witnesses, etc.

Section 77 is reported as being from 1832 so it may be valid.

This is why it is so important that we study prayerfully and be listening for the still, small voice.

Mike