LDS Freedom Forum

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:08 pm Maybe the church will switch to air sacrament so we better conserve water

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.)

It's way better than drinking from a common cup like most other churches do.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:13 am

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:08 pm Maybe the church will switch to air sacrament so we better conserve water

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.)

It's way better than drinking from a common cup like most other churches do.

Some churches do that, and that's not ideal for other reasons. But some churches also use small glass or metal tumblers for individuals, and have done for a long while. (Pre-greenwashing.)

Was she a post if The Ballard Center for Social Impact as a student?

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:20 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:13 am

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.)

It's way better than drinking from a common cup like most other churches do.

Some churches do that, and that's not ideal for other reasons. But some churches also use small glass or metal tumblers for individuals, and have done for a long while. (Pre-greenwashing.)

Would you trust the deacons to wash them up properly after use?

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:08 pm Maybe the church will switch to air sacrament so we better conserve water

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.) I don't think it even occurred to the other denominations I've been to, to have little single use plastic cups like that. Not out of any greenwashing angle... they just didn't do it.

Oh I know you were talking about plastic. I was just making the point that Waddell seems obsessed with bragging about the church's water conservation but failed to notice something as simple as switching to non plastic sacrament cups. And that the church would rather give up the water in cups rather than thinking about reducing plastic. It doesn't really matter though. I'm sure digital sacrament is coming to ensure we can stay on the covenant path daily or whenever we wish. Maybe they'll even let us have stickers in the app to show who receives the sacrament the most.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 9:28 am

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:20 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:13 am

It's way better than drinking from a common cup like most other churches do.

Some churches do that, and that's not ideal for other reasons. But some churches also use small glass or metal tumblers for individuals, and have done for a long while. (Pre-greenwashing.)

Would you trust the deacons to wash them up properly after use?

Good point. It would have to be an automated solution. I think it's interesting that you make that point about trust. Can they be trusted to be worthy to administer such an important ordinance correctly but also not trustworthy enough to provide clean cups?

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 9:28 am Would you trust the deacons to wash them up properly after use?

Most of ours are middle aged.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:13 am

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:08 pm Maybe the church will switch to air sacrament so we better conserve water

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.)

It's way better than drinking from a common cup like most other churches do.

The invention of the disposable single use cup for drinking was actually an important advance for hygiene and public health. In the early 1900's, public drinking spots would use shared glasses or dippers which could more easily spread disease. Plastic throw away cups are an important technology advancement. See the history of the "Dixie Cup."

The church is soooooo hypocritical on this "sustainability" issue anyway. Talk of moving from 60% recycled to 100% recycled cups.

While...BLASTING the air conditioning continuously throughout the meetings, even when NOT needed. Last Sunday the outside air temp was 62 degrees...yet the air conditioning was running the entire time...and people were noticeably cold.

I have noticed this in almost every building the church has. If they want to save energy...turn off the freaking AC, when the temperature drops below 75 degrees.

Recycled plastic is bad for the environment. Green people are stupid. They think making huge batteries is good for the environment.

The Church lacks leadership and intelligence to speak truth on the matter.

ransomme wrote: ↑October 25th, 2023, 8:43 am Recycled plastic is bad for the environment. Green people are stupid. They think making huge batteries is good for the environment.

The Church lacks leadership and intelligence to speak truth on the matter.

But it's okay because they can see around corners.

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 4:19 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 9:28 am Would you trust the deacons to wash them up properly after use?

Most of ours are middle aged.

As I read this I thought of the laundry list of adults that I don't trust in my ward...lol
But when it comes to Priesthood ordinances the worthiness of holder isnt ours to judge, if they are unworthy then it is between them and God. I also don't see the passing of the sacrament as an ordinance though. like the blessing of the sacrament matters, but then to me the passing is just administrative or procedural work. Though I would be happy to learn more since the sacrament is not something I have looked into as an ordinance.

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:08 pm Maybe the church will switch to air sacrament so we better conserve water

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.) I don't think it even occurred to the other denominations I've been to, to have little single use plastic cups like that. Not out of any greenwashing angle... they just didn't do it.

Well, the Catholics all drink from one cup......I'm not sure how many other Christian churches do sacrament regularly and how exactly they do it.

I agree that it is wasteful, though.

But I'm also glad I don't have to share germs and dna with the entire ward.

I mean, there's always the woman who gave hubby a bj before church. No thanks.

Magus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 12:57 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:08 pm Maybe the church will switch to air sacrament so we better conserve water

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.) I don't think it even occurred to the other denominations I've been to, to have little single use plastic cups like that. Not out of any greenwashing angle... they just didn't do it.

Well, the Catholics all drink from one cup......I'm not sure how many other Christian churches do sacrament regularly and how exactly they do it.

I agree that it is wasteful, though.

But I'm also glad I don't have to share germs and dna with the entire ward.

I mean, there's always the woman who gave hubby a bj before church. No thanks.

It’s optional. The Catholics believe the entire body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ are present in both the host and the wine. So most only take the host. Those who are gluten sensitive can just take the wine. During Covid the host was the only element offered.

Magus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 12:57 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:08 pm Maybe the church will switch to air sacrament so we better conserve water

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.) I don't think it even occurred to the other denominations I've been to, to have little single use plastic cups like that. Not out of any greenwashing angle... they just didn't do it.

Well, the Catholics all drink from one cup......I'm not sure how many other Christian churches do sacrament regularly and how exactly they do it.

I agree that it is wasteful, though.

But I'm also glad I don't have to share germs and dna with the entire ward.

I mean, there's always the woman who gave hubby a bj before church. No thanks.

Some Presbyterians have multiple reusable cups and have done for centuries.

Niemand wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 1:54 pm

Magus wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 12:57 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 3:03 am

I wasn't talking about water preservation, I was talking about the fact that every time we used to hold sacrament that we used to chuck away a tonne of those silly plastic cups.

We're the only church I've come across that does that. That actually is wasteful. (The card ones aren't great either.) I don't think it even occurred to the other denominations I've been to, to have little single use plastic cups like that. Not out of any greenwashing angle... they just didn't do it.

Well, the Catholics all drink from one cup......I'm not sure how many other Christian churches do sacrament regularly and how exactly they do it.

I agree that it is wasteful, though.

But I'm also glad I don't have to share germs and dna with the entire ward.

I mean, there's always the woman who gave hubby a bj before church. No thanks.

Some Presbyterians have multiple reusable cups and have done for centuries.

I'm cool with that.

Although, you can't make everyone happy because the same people who complain about the Church going woke will say that it's just some virtue signalling effort that feeds into the whole man-made global warming hoax created by international secret combinations and the church has lost its way, so let's all leave the church and who wants to wash those things anyway.

Manager of sustainability is probably in charge of making sure the leaders are sustained. Among other things.

Christianlee wrote: ↑November 8th, 2023, 6:07 pm Manager of sustainability is probably in charge of making sure the leaders are sustained. Among other things.

Or sustainable.