LDS Freedom Forum

Chip wrote: ↑October 21st, 2023, 8:31 pm Why can't you stay for long?

Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑October 21st, 2023, 7:50 pm What is your membership status in the LDS church?

What kind of communications (threats) have you received from church leadership, and specifically which church leaders?

blitzinstripes wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 4:20 pm Just wanted to say "welcome back", EQ. You've been missed in your absence. Glad you are well and posting again.

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑October 21st, 2023, 10:35 pm

Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑October 21st, 2023, 7:50 pm What is your membership status in the LDS church?

What kind of communications (threats) have you received from church leadership, and specifically which church leaders?

I am an active member of the Church. I hold two callings currently, although I need to be released from one of them because our course is done.

To read about many of the communications I've had with Church leadership, up to and including President Ballard and President Christofferson's response to me, visit https://ldsabuse.info/blog.

If you apply this filter: https://ldsabuse.info/blog?blogcategory=My+Story you'll get to the actual communications faster.

I can summarize here, though, for those who don't have the time to visit the site (which now has over 13,000 views in the last six months, and over 4,000 in the last 30 days):

Overall, my experience trying to communicate with Church leadership has been frustrating, and at times, quite traumatizing. It has also been one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had, for reasons I won't go into at this time. Without going into too much detail, the biggest "threats" (which is not how I would characterize them) that have been communicated to me are a) having two apostles communicate to me through my Stake President that "They are concerned that the pattern of thinking you are on leads to apostasy", which echoes what my Stake President communicated to me when he told me outside the temple that the only way he can see this ending is with me starting my own church (a claim he later walked back a bit, stating it was a figure of speech he was using in an attempt to illustrate a point (which I believe)), b) being released from my callings as a Stake Auditor and Ward Clerk, and c) being put in a position where the Stake President has determined he won't currently administer a temple recommend interview to me, or allow any other authorized priesthood leader on the Stake level to administer that interview despite what I consider clear conflicts of interest, since he himself is a member of an occult secret society (amongst other potential conflicts). This is a very recent, and very fluid situation, and so I don't wish to go into it too much at this time, but it is certainly the most serious and significant action the institutional Church has taken up to this point.

I will take a moment to point out that I was deemed worthy to hold a temple recommend by both my bishop, as well as the 2nd Counselor in my bishopric, who both conducted temple recommend interviews for me (a bit of a long story regarding that, but has to do with me turning my temple recommend in to my Bishop, and asking the Church to investigate regarding some allegations that were levelled against me that I felt needed to be looked at before I felt comfortable finishing the interview. The church ended up declining my request to conduct an investigation, and I was then invited by my Bishop to complete my interview, and it was determined it would be appropriate to complete that with the 2nd Counselor in the bishopric so the bishop could attend to other duties).

I think that's a pretty fair summary of the situation. Again, to get a more complete picture you can read the blog - but know there are some things I have chosen not to publish at this time for various reasons - but primarily to protect the privacy of individuals I believe to be acting in good faith, but who have unwittingly placed themselves in positions they wouldn't have if they had a clearer vision of the larger picture, and weren't victims of the institutional abuse I am claiming is occurring themselves.

EDIT: Here is the specific post that documents when President Ballard and Elder Christofferson replied to my Stake President:

https://ldsabuse.info/blog/f/request-to ... y=My+Story

Note, this is before President Ballard's affiliation with and support of men like Tim Ballard and Gordon Bowen became mainstream news, and knowledge of his multiple SEC violations and questionable business dealings was only published in a handful of places. The vast majority of the world still has no idea he is a member of the occult secret society Sigma Chi, and hosted and attended many, many dinner parties with his "worthy brethren" over the years. Perhaps that will change in the future.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:29 pm

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑October 21st, 2023, 10:35 pm

Libertas Est Salus wrote: ↑October 21st, 2023, 7:50 pm What is your membership status in the LDS church?

What kind of communications (threats) have you received from church leadership, and specifically which church leaders?

I am an active member of the Church. I hold two callings currently, although I need to be released from one of them because our course is done.

To read about many of the communications I've had with Church leadership, up to and including President Ballard and President Christofferson's response to me, visit https://ldsabuse.info/blog.

If you apply this filter: https://ldsabuse.info/blog?blogcategory=My+Story you'll get to the actual communications faster.

I can summarize here, though, for those who don't have the time to visit the site (which now has over 13,000 views in the last six months, and over 4,000 in the last 30 days):

Overall, my experience trying to communicate with Church leadership has been frustrating, and at times, quite traumatizing. It has also been one of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had, for reasons I won't go into at this time. Without going into too much detail, the biggest "threats" (which is not how I would characterize them) that have been communicated to me are a) having two apostles communicate to me through my Stake President that "They are concerned that the pattern of thinking you are on leads to apostasy", which echoes what my Stake President communicated to me when he told me outside the temple that the only way he can see this ending is with me starting my own church (a claim he later walked back a bit, stating it was a figure of speech he was using in an attempt to illustrate a point (which I believe)), b) being released from my callings as a Stake Auditor and Ward Clerk, and c) being put in a position where the Stake President has determined he won't currently administer a temple recommend interview to me, or allow any other authorized priesthood leader on the Stake level to administer that interview despite what I consider clear conflicts of interest, since he himself is a member of an occult secret society (amongst other potential conflicts). This is a very recent, and very fluid situation, and so I don't wish to go into it too much at this time, but it is certainly the most serious and significant action the institutional Church has taken up to this point.

I will take a moment to point out that I was deemed worthy to hold a temple recommend by both my bishop, as well as the 2nd Counselor in my bishopric, who both conducted temple recommend interviews for me (a bit of a long story regarding that, but has to do with me turning my temple recommend in to my Bishop, and asking the Church to investigate regarding some allegations that were levelled against me that I felt needed to be looked at before I felt comfortable finishing the interview. The church ended up declining my request to conduct an investigation, and I was then invited by my Bishop to complete my interview, and it was determined it would be appropriate to complete that with the 2nd Counselor in the bishopric so the bishop could attend to other duties).

I think that's a pretty fair summary of the situation. Again, to get a more complete picture you can read the blog - but know there are some things I have chosen not to publish at this time for various reasons - but primarily to protect the privacy of individuals I believe to be acting in good faith, but who have unwittingly placed themselves in positions they wouldn't have if they had a clearer vision of the larger picture, and weren't victims of the institutional abuse I am claiming is occurring themselves.

EDIT: Here is the specific post that documents when President Ballard and Elder Christofferson replied to my Stake President:

https://ldsabuse.info/blog/f/request-to ... y=My+Story

Note, this is before President Ballard's affiliation with and support of men like Tim Ballard and Gordon Bowen became mainstream news, and knowledge of his multiple SEC violations and questionable business dealings was only published in a handful of places. The vast majority of the world still has no idea he is a member of the occult secret society Sigma Chi, and hosted and attended many, many dinner parties with his "worthy brethren" over the years. Perhaps that will change in the future.

This quote from your SP was a little shocking knowing what I and many others know at this point:
"the fruits of these mens work provides me with the confidence I need that they are serving the Lord the best way they know how and not any secret, personal interests."

At the end of his message to you it almost appeared that he was trying to ensure you knew he would not be making time for you if you tried to show up or something. I got the sense he really doesn't want to be dealing with this.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:51 pm I have a few questions. I've posted many things about Tim Ballard and what I think is going on with that situation. It would have been nice to see your replies to my comments. Many people seem unwilling to change their opinion of the man no matter what. My question is what do you think of TIM. Is he:

1. Completely innocent of wrongdoing and a warrior in the fight to save children.
2. A dirt bag con man, always was.
3. A man who was good but has turned to the dark side.

Another question is do you think all these women making cases against Tim early this year were doing so to stop his senate run that wasn't announced until mid September or do you think he announced a senate run because he knew this crap was coming out against him and he knew people would see these women coming out as a political hit job if he announced a senate run?

I'm glad you're back for a while.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:51 pm I have a few questions. I've posted many things about Tim Ballard and what I think is going on with that situation. It would have been nice to see your replies to my comments. Many people seem unwilling to change their opinion of the man no matter what. My question is what do you think of TIM. Is he:

1. Completely innocent of wrongdoing and a warrior in the fight to save children.
2. A dirt bag con man, always was.
3. A man who was good but has turned to the dark side.

Another question is do you think all these women making cases against Tim early this year were doing so to stop his senate run that wasn't announced until mid September or do you think he announced a senate run because he knew this crap was coming out against him and he knew people would see these women coming out as a political hit job if he announced a senate run?

I'm glad you're back for a while.

logonbump wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 8:20 am

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 22nd, 2023, 9:51 pm I have a few questions. I've posted many things about Tim Ballard and what I think is going on with that situation. It would have been nice to see your replies to my comments. Many people seem unwilling to change their opinion of the man no matter what. My question is what do you think of TIM. Is he:

1. Completely innocent of wrongdoing and a warrior in the fight to save children.
2. A dirt bag con man, always was.
3. A man who was good but has turned to the dark side.

Another question is do you think all these women making cases against Tim early this year were doing so to stop his senate run that wasn't announced until mid September or do you think he announced a senate run because he knew this crap was coming out against him and he knew people would see these women coming out as a political hit job if he announced a senate run?

I'm glad you're back for a while.

I just learned that Tim Ballard grew up in a community in California, La Cañada Flintridge, home of Jet Propulsion Laboratories. That town, near Pasadena,bhas what I am told is a very significant association with the church. I know nothing about that connection.
JPL is a main player in the military industrial complex and was associated originally with Jack Parsons, an occultist and friend of L Ron Hubbard. A whole industry grew out of the Pasadena area and that hi-tech/satanist movement that may have Incorporated many Mormons loyal to the movement.

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 8:57 am Do you know when the seventh seal opened, and if not, why not?

larsenb wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 11:32 am How do you fall out on the pro Polygamy-Brigham-bad arguments. Of course, if no response, I understand.

LDS Physician wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 6:15 am Here's a question:

What's a guy to do when he realizes that the church (which he feels was founded by a true prophet) has gone off the rails and looks to be doubling down?

LDS Physician wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 6:15 am What's a guy to do when he realizes that the church (which he feels was founded by a true prophet) has gone off the rails and looks to be doubling down?

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 4:49 pm

LDS Physician wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2023, 6:15 am What's a guy to do when he realizes that the church (which he feels was founded by a true prophet) has gone off the rails and looks to be doubling down?

What would Jesus do?


Dang it, Mamabear beat me to it.

endlessQuestions wrote: ↑October 21st, 2023, 7:40 pm Because I won’t be back for long, and there won’t be time to share everything I’ve learned and done these last six months, I want to create a space where you can ask whatever you’d like, and I’ll provide the best answers I have. That way we can touch on what’s most important to y’all.

So ask away! I’ll respond as I’m able to, but promise I’ll answer every question that relates to the topics we’re interested in to the best of my ability before I “head out to sea” again.