The Puppet Show: The Conspiracy to Wrest Control of Utah From the Mormons - Primary Source Evidence

[endlessQuestions]

2 Thessalonians 2 is a very important chapter of scripture. I suspect it is being fulfilled right now.

I have wondered long and hard about the roots of the cabal in the Church. When and through whom were they established?

I've had to go back to the first principles, faith in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ and repentance, because I no longer trust any of the rest. I don't think they were all corrupt, I want to attribute goodwill to as many people as I can. But, I won't trust anyone unless God clearly and unmistakably tells me that I can.

That would make you a person who follows the standard works. Just not the part of the standard works we're familiar with, due to Brigham's inability to procure much of Joseph's work. Emma wasn't having any of it, and one of the results is, we don't even know our own standard works:

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To make matters worse, our current prophet is out LITERALLY SAYING there are 15 men on the face of the earth today that you can "trust completely". You can see the evidence for this and read about it here:

https://ldsabuse.info/blog/f/ive-tried- ... h-now-what

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How is it possible for us to regulate our lives properly when our current prophet appears to be contradicting the plain language of scripture?

I don't know. That's what I'm trying to find out.

No answers forthcoming from the institution as of yet. Still working on it.

So much to do. So little time to do it.

[madvin]

Since joining the church in 1971, I have always been taught to get your own testimony of the things the apostles, prophet, and other leaders teach, which, as so many on here have been pointing out, is the opposite of what is now being taught these days.

[JohnnyL]

The testimony is found in Widstoe’s book "In A Sunlit Land" on page 144-145. The book can be found at

https://archive.org/details/insunlitland0000john

Widstoe states: "It was actually shocking when I accidentally overheard two non-Mormon regents, among the most eminent men in the State conversing upon this subject. Said one, 'We must take over the University and train the young people away from Mormonism.'

'Yes,' answered the other, 'you are right. That's our next job, to secure full control of the institution, secure a non-Mormon president and teachers, and educate the students away from Mormon beliefs. The State will then be ours."

Well, they did a pretty good job following up!

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The testimony is found in Widstoe’s book "In A Sunlit Land" on page 144-145. The book can be found at

https://archive.org/details/insunlitland0000john

Widstoe states: "It was actually shocking when I accidentally overheard two non-Mormon regents, among the most eminent men in the State conversing upon this subject. Said one, 'We must take over the University and train the young people away from Mormonism.'

'Yes,' answered the other, 'you are right. That's our next job, to secure full control of the institution, secure a non-Mormon president and teachers, and educate the students away from Mormon beliefs. The State will then be ours."

Well, they did a pretty good job following up!

I would agree. If you break it up into 40 year periods, there is an interesting story to be told about Mormon history from 1900-2023 that might answer some of the questions a lot of people are asking about the current state of the Church.

I wonder who will tell the story.

[JohnnyL]

The testimony is found in Widstoe’s book "In A Sunlit Land" on page 144-145. The book can be found at

https://archive.org/details/insunlitland0000john

Widstoe states: "It was actually shocking when I accidentally overheard two non-Mormon regents, among the most eminent men in the State conversing upon this subject. Said one, 'We must take over the University and train the young people away from Mormonism.'

'Yes,' answered the other, 'you are right. That's our next job, to secure full control of the institution, secure a non-Mormon president and teachers, and educate the students away from Mormon beliefs. The State will then be ours."

Well, they did a pretty good job following up!

I would agree. If you break it up into 40 year periods, there is an interesting story to be told about Mormon history from 1900-2023 that might answer some of the questions a lot of people are asking about the current state of the Church.

I wonder who will tell the story.

You, of course!

[endlessQuestions]

Well, they did a pretty good job following up!

I would agree. If you break it up into 40 year periods, there is an interesting story to be told about Mormon history from 1900-2023 that might answer some of the questions a lot of people are asking about the current state of the Church.

I wonder who will tell the story.

You, of course!

Time will tell.

[larsenb]

Marriner gives us the details on how his father's estate was probated, and then mentions an interesting name: Robert Anderson.

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I am not going to go into why that is interesting here, except to say that it intersects with my research on ritual abuse quite nicely. Research is in progress in this area, and may or may not bear fruit.

What this does do is tie the Eccles to the Andersons, who were doing business with the Nibleys, etc, etc, etc. The formation of the "Mormon aristocracy" comes nicely into focus if you trace these relationships carefully, and, as always, follow the money.

So, Anderson Lumber connects to the Eccles . . .. And H. Nibley's grandfather was heavily into lumber production in, I believe, California and Oregon.

[endlessQuestions]

Marriner gives us the details on how his father's estate was probated, and then mentions an interesting name: Robert Anderson.

EcclesAndersonConnection.png

I am not going to go into why that is interesting here, except to say that it intersects with my research on ritual abuse quite nicely. Research is in progress in this area, and may or may not bear fruit.

What this does do is tie the Eccles to the Andersons, who were doing business with the Nibleys, etc, etc, etc. The formation of the "Mormon aristocracy" comes nicely into focus if you trace these relationships carefully, and, as always, follow the money.

So, Anderson Lumber connects to the Eccles . . .. And H. Nibley's grandfather was heavily into lumber production in, I believe, California and Oregon.

That is correct.

It seems obvious, looking at it now, because the history of Mormonism appears to be the same as the history of everything else: tribal warfare for access to and control of an areas natural resources, and the wealth those resources represent. I think it's hard because we're so conditioned to believe we have some unique cultural/historical genesis story - so we think we're "so different" from everyone else that the story of literally everything can't be our story too.

I'm surprised nobody has noted yet that the cartoon I posted yesterday centers around - the railroad.

Because once you have control over the resources, the next step to monetizing that is to ensure you have a way to transport your ill-gotten gains to the markets where you can sell those resources and get filthy. Oh, and rich.

So who controlled the railroad in Utah? And for how long? And who profited? I really think that's they key question AGF was trying to get people to explore. It was a great lead, and I owe a great debt of gratitude to him/her for taking the time to drop all those clues here on the board. If only he would come back and finish his story...

[larsenb]

. . . ..

I'm surprised nobody has noted yet that the cartoon I posted yesterday centers around - the railroad.

Because once you have control over the resources, the next step to monetizing that is to ensure you have a way to transport your ill-gotten gains to the markets where you can sell those resources and get filthy. Oh, and rich.

So who controlled the railroad in Utah? And for how long? And who profited? I really think that's they key question AGF was trying to get people to explore. It was a great lead, and I owe a great debt of gratitude to him/her for taking the time to drop all those clues here on the board. If only he would come back and finish his story...

And, as I recall, wasn't it J. D. Rockefeller who made it a BIG project to control railroad transportation of his oil?

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. . . ..

I'm surprised nobody has noted yet that the cartoon I posted yesterday centers around - the railroad.

Because once you have control over the resources, the next step to monetizing that is to ensure you have a way to transport your ill-gotten gains to the markets where you can sell those resources and get filthy. Oh, and rich.

So who controlled the railroad in Utah? And for how long? And who profited? I really think that's they key question AGF was trying to get people to explore. It was a great lead, and I owe a great debt of gratitude to him/her for taking the time to drop all those clues here on the board. If only he would come back and finish his story...

And, as I recall, wasn't it J. D. Rockefeller who made it a BIG project to control railroad transportation of his oil?

I’m not sure. But the character that’s important to our story on the Union Pacific railroad side is this man:

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E.H. Harriman

Who has a son, Averrill, that is key.

If you understand Averrill Harriman and his politics, you’ll understand the politics of one of the warring factions inside LDS leadership circles. Because politics is, by and large, nothing more than the exercise of using force to protect the economic interests of those who need to have their economic interests protected. Including corporations that have churches as part of their business model.

[Atrasado]

Did someone say EH Harriman of the Union Pacific Railroad?

[JohnnyL]

I would agree. If you break it up into 40 year periods, there is an interesting story to be told about Mormon history from 1900-2023 that might answer some of the questions a lot of people are asking about the current state of the Church.

I wonder who will tell the story.

You, of course!

Time will tell.

That was a little tongue in cheek, but ... I really hope so.

[endlessQuestions]

Did someone say EH Harriman of the Union Pacific Railroad?

This is appropriate on so many levels. Well played, sir. Well played.

[larsenb]

. . . ..

I'm surprised nobody has noted yet that the cartoon I posted yesterday centers around - the railroad.

Because once you have control over the resources, the next step to monetizing that is to ensure you have a way to transport your ill-gotten gains to the markets where you can sell those resources and get filthy. Oh, and rich.

So who controlled the railroad in Utah? And for how long? And who profited? I really think that's they key question AGF was trying to get people to explore. It was a great lead, and I owe a great debt of gratitude to him/her for taking the time to drop all those clues here on the board. If only he would come back and finish his story...

And, as I recall, wasn't it J. D. Rockefeller who made it a BIG project to control railroad transportation of his oil?

I’m not sure. But the character that’s important to our story on the Union Pacific railroad side is this man:



E.H. Harriman

Who has a son, Averrill, that is key.

If you understand Averrill Harriman and his politics, you’ll understand the politics of one of the warring factions inside LDS leadership circles. Because politics is, by and large, nothing more than the exercise of using force to protect the economic interests of those who need to have their economic interests protected. Including corporations that have churches as part of their business model.

Just a note on JD Rockefeller. The railroads offered him large rebates to ship his oil, which excluded smaller, independent oil producers who could not match Rockefeller's volume, etc.

[larsenb]

I've been reading some of your blog essays, and was curious about the evils of Sigma Chi fraternity cum-secret society. Very well written thoughtful letters/articles/essays, and I'm really impressed with how careful and adept you are in couching your conclusions, etc., and approaching your file leaders.

I finally went back and found an earlier link to Sigma Chi information you posted earlier, and downloaded the Sigma Chi 'charter', they call The Ritual. Its astonishing that people put such things together and that others subscribe to follow them. Certainly joining a frat was antithetical to my personality.

The Jordan Standard, however, seems quite impressive, worthy of following. But the black-hooded robes in the Black Supper (with all the black decorations, etc.), and the oath to God to include the death oath, etc., should certainly be off-putting to most reasonable people. And Constantine certainly isn't anyone a Mormon would want to glorify or put on a pedestal (accelerated/helped create the Great Apostasy, subverted Christianity into being the spiritual support of the Roman Empire, not to say murdering his wife and a son, etc.).

But one thing that stands out to me regarding fraternities such as this, is the very powerful yet subtle impression it has to make on their acolytes, as to how special and extraordinary they are, above the normal cut, belonging to an elite group out to do big things in the world, and benefiting each other. Not very conducive to humility.

[endlessQuestions]

I've been reading some of your blog essays, and was curious about the evils of Sigma Chi fraternity cum-secret society. Very well written thoughtful letters/articles/essays, and I'm really impressed with how careful and adept you are in couching your conclusions, etc., and approaching your file leaders.

I finally went back and found an earlier link to Sigma Chi information you posted earlier, and downloaded the Sigma Chi 'charter', they call The Ritual. Its astonishing that people put such things together and that others subscribe to follow them. Certainly joining a frat was antithetical to my personality.

The Jordan Standard, however, seems quite impressive, worthy of following. But the black-hooded robes in the Black Supper (with all the black decorations, etc.), and the oath to God to include the death oath, etc., should certainly be off-putting to most reasonable people. And Constantine certainly isn't anyone a Mormon would want to glorify or put on a pedestal (accelerated/helped create the Great Apostasy, subverted Christianity into being the spiritual support of the Roman Empire, not to say murdering his wife and a son, etc.).

But one thing that stands out to me regarding fraternities such as this, is the very powerful yet subtle impression it has to make on their acolytes, as to how special and extraordinary they are, above the normal cut, belonging to an elite group out to do big things in the world, and benefiting each other.

These are very astute observations. Thank you for contributing your thoughts; they very much mirror my own opinions.

I would only as that based on my research, these aren’t the “secrets” in the secret society. When their ritual leaked many of the Sigs piled online and started as much in online forums.

Which leads to the biggest problem of all in my mind: no matter what they tell you, and no matter how sincere they seem, you can never know if they have secrets they have made oaths not to reveal to those they seem “profane”, which would include members of their congregations that haven’t made the same secret oaths they have.

That is not sustainable inside true Christianity, in my opinion.

[larsenb]

I've been reading some of your blog essays, and was curious about the evils of Sigma Chi fraternity cum-secret society. Very well written thoughtful letters/articles/essays, and I'm really impressed with how careful and adept you are in couching your conclusions, etc., and approaching your file leaders.

I finally went back and found an earlier link to Sigma Chi information you posted earlier, and downloaded the Sigma Chi 'charter', they call The Ritual. Its astonishing that people put such things together and that others subscribe to follow them. Certainly joining a frat was antithetical to my personality.

The Jordan Standard, however, seems quite impressive, worthy of following. But the black-hooded robes in the Black Supper (with all the black decorations, etc.), and the oath to God to include the death oath, etc., should certainly be off-putting to most reasonable people. And Constantine certainly isn't anyone a Mormon would want to glorify or put on a pedestal (accelerated/helped create the Great Apostasy, subverted Christianity into being the spiritual support of the Roman Empire, not to say murdering his wife and a son, etc.).

But one thing that stands out to me regarding fraternities such as this, is the very powerful yet subtle impression it has to make on their acolytes, as to how special and extraordinary they are, above the normal cut, belonging to an elite group out to do big things in the world, and benefiting each other.

These are very astute observations. Thank you for contributing your observations; they very much mirror my own opinions.

I was still editing some of my wording. But thanks for your comment'

[larsenb]

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I would only as that based on my research, these aren’t the “secrets” in the secret society. When their ritual leaked many of the Sigs piled online and started as much in online forums.

Which leads to the biggest problem of all in my mind: no matter what they tell you, and no matter how sincere they seem, you can never know if they have secrets they have made oaths not to reveal to those they seem “profane”, which would include members of their congregations that haven’t made the same secret oaths they have.

That is not sustainable inside true Christianity, in my opinion.

I'm wondering if you can elaborate a bit on what you've discovered in your research which would lead you to believe they have other "secrets" not covered in The Ritual? Was it allusions made by Sigs piling online after their ritual was leaked or what? And was it a Sig who got quite profane about those posting it, as I recall from an earlier post.

But your point is quite well taken, if they harbor other significant 'secrets', how can we know whether or not what they have secretly pledged is or is not detrimental to Christian practice, etc.?

[endlessQuestions]

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I would only as that based on my research, these aren’t the “secrets” in the secret society. When their ritual leaked many of the Sigs piled online and started as much in online forums.

Which leads to the biggest problem of all in my mind: no matter what they tell you, and no matter how sincere they seem, you can never know if they have secrets they have made oaths not to reveal to those they seem “profane”, which would include members of their congregations that haven’t made the same secret oaths they have.

That is not sustainable inside true Christianity, in my opinion.

I'm wondering if you can elaborate a bit on what you've discovered in your research which would lead you to believe they have other "secrets" not covered in The Ritual? Was it allusions made by Sigs piling online after their ritual was leaked or what? And was it a Sig who got quite profane about those posting it, as I recall from an earlier post.

But your point is quite well taken, if they harbor other significant 'secrets', how can we know whether or not what they have secretly pledged is or is not detrimental to Christian practice, etc.?

So fraternal organizations have sites just like this one where they go to hang out and commiserate. At one point in my research I came across one of those sites and there were pages of conversations about what to do after Wikileaks leaked their ritual. A significant number of people mentioned that while they were upset that the Ritual had been leaked, it didn't matter that much because the true secrets of the group weren't written down.

This makes sense to me logically as well - if I really wanted to keep a secret, I would never write it down because the chances of it falling out of my control and being revealed is too high. On the other hand, the scriptures tell us that the worst of the secret oaths WERE written down, so there's that as a counterargument.

[endlessQuestions]

Long day. Would you all like me to talk more about Marriner Eccles, or do you get the idea? If you're bored, or are willing to go read the book yourself, there's really no reason for me to belabor the point. The idea is that he saw himself as a modern day "Joseph of Egypt", but a close look at his actions reveals a pattern of behavior that I think reasonable people would agree calls his conclusion into question. It is pretty hard to find anything resembling what I would call "Christ-like character" in Marriner S. Eccles, and the causes he gave his life to, and the consequences of his choices, lead me to believe he was suffering from the same malady Beverly Brough Campbell suffered from: a lack of solid gospel understanding coupled with a firm, sincere belief that he was "special" in some way, shape or form. Elitism is a soul killer, and Marriner S. Eccles appears to have been the captain of the elitists during his lifetime. He is a critical player in this story.

Let me know if you want the screenshots that describe his actions. I don't mind doing it if people actually care. Otherwise, I'll move on to the 1940-1980 time period. It's a pretty short one, because it covers much of the research we uncovered during the time we were all learning together about the secret society infestation at the University of Utah.