The Puppet Show: The Conspiracy to Wrest Control of Utah From the Mormons - Primary Source Evidence

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I’m on a phone tonight so can’t do much, but thanks to tmac I’ve tried to learn how to create a stronger, more succinct “theory of the case”. We now have primary source documents that show there was indeed a group of conspirators who were actively working on wresting control of the U of U away from the Mormons right around the time that Skull and Bones showed up on campus. I’ll just give you the first bit of evidence tonight:

Question #1:

Is there any historical evidence that there was a conspiracy to wrest control of the University of Utah away from the Mormons, and the state of Utah itself?

Answer: Yes.

John A. Widstoe, President of the University of Utah from 1916-21, and a Mormon apostle, testifies that such a conspiracy existed. It is eye witness testimony.
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The testimony is found in Widstoe’s book "In A Sunlit Land" on page 144-145. The book can be found at

https://archive.org/details/insunlitland0000john

Widstoe states: "It was actually shocking when I accidentally overheard two non-Mormon regents, among the most eminent men in the State conversing upon this subject. Said one, 'We must take over the University and train the young people away from Mormonism.'

'Yes,' answered the other, 'you are right. That's our next job, to secure full control of the institution, secure a non-Mormon president and teachers, and educate the students away from Mormon beliefs. The State will then be ours."
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Widstoe adds the following commentary:

"For the moment at least these men forgot their oath of office as regents of the university. Or was it just for the moment?"

As you ask know, my primary area of research is occult secret societies and how they abuse their power and influence. So to Widstoe’s question I would add, were there other oaths these men had made which they felt superseded their oath to the university?

Oaths like the kinds you make when joining a fraternity, like Pi Kappa Alpha, Sigma Chi, and Skull and Bones, perhaps?

All of these groups had been established on campus by this point, with Skull and Bones being founded sometime between 1906-1908 (records differ on this point). The event Widstoe describes happened sometime between 1916-21.
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We believe we’ve identified who the two regents Widstoe referred to are, but I’ll have to get back in front of my computer in order to get the names right. I’ll leave you for tonight with an image posted in a contemporary Utonian that I think is highly appropriate to the conversation. Give me a minute to dig it up and get it posted.
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Okay, found it:
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And a little light reading for the advanced students. 😅😂🤣

https://continuum.utah.edu/departments/ ... f-passage/

https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/file ... 201915.pdf

I’m interested to hear who y’all think may have been pulling the strings. I’ll check in tomorrow to see what your thoughts are. If you want a hint, look in your wallet for the notes.

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endlessQuestions wrote: October 21st, 2023, 7:14 pm Okay, found it:

IMG_1781.jpeg

And a little light reading for the advanced students. 😅😂🤣

https://continuum.utah.edu/departments/ ... f-passage/

https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/file ... 201915.pdf

I’m interested to hear who y’all think may have been pulling the strings. I’ll check in tomorrow to see what your thoughts are. If you want a hint, look in your wallet for the notes.
Looking in my wallet, I found a Grant. Benere Harrison Grant being a member of S & B in 1910, how about the Board of Regents around 1915? I could not find any list of names of the Regents anywhere, though.

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madvin wrote: October 21st, 2023, 11:50 pm
endlessQuestions wrote: October 21st, 2023, 7:14 pm Okay, found it:

IMG_1781.jpeg

And a little light reading for the advanced students. 😅😂🤣

https://continuum.utah.edu/departments/ ... f-passage/

https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/file ... 201915.pdf

I’m interested to hear who y’all think may have been pulling the strings. I’ll check in tomorrow to see what your thoughts are. If you want a hint, look in your wallet for the notes.
Looking in my wallet, I found a Grant. Benere Harrison Grant being a member of S & B in 1910, how about the Board of Regents around 1915? I could not find any list of names of the Regents anywhere, though.
Good guess, but it’s not about the people *on* the bills. What type of bills are they, and who issues them?

They are called “Federal Reserve Notes”.

What prominent LDS man was a driving force in the founding and governance of The Federal Reserve?

I’ll be back later to answer that question, provide some more primary source documents that flesh out our story, and discuss how this man’s life potentially relates to scriptural patterns.

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madvin wrote: October 21st, 2023, 11:50 pm
endlessQuestions wrote: October 21st, 2023, 7:14 pm Okay, found it:

IMG_1781.jpeg

And a little light reading for the advanced students. 😅😂🤣

https://continuum.utah.edu/departments/ ... f-passage/

https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/file ... 201915.pdf

I’m interested to hear who y’all think may have been pulling the strings. I’ll check in tomorrow to see what your thoughts are. If you want a hint, look in your wallet for the notes.
Looking in my wallet, I found a Grant. Benere Harrison Grant being a member of S & B in 1910, how about the Board of Regents around 1915? I could not find any list of names of the Regents anywhere, though.
The list of Regents is in the Utonian. I'll try to remember to post that since someone requested it.

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endlessQuestions wrote: October 22nd, 2023, 6:52 am
madvin wrote: October 21st, 2023, 11:50 pm
endlessQuestions wrote: October 21st, 2023, 7:14 pm Okay, found it:

IMG_1781.jpeg

And a little light reading for the advanced students. 😅😂🤣

https://continuum.utah.edu/departments/ ... f-passage/

https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/file ... 201915.pdf

I’m interested to hear who y’all think may have been pulling the strings. I’ll check in tomorrow to see what your thoughts are. If you want a hint, look in your wallet for the notes.
Looking in my wallet, I found a Grant. Benere Harrison Grant being a member of S & B in 1910, how about the Board of Regents around 1915? I could not find any list of names of the Regents anywhere, though.
Good guess, but it’s not about the people *on* the bills. What type of bills are they, and who issues them?

They are called “Federal Reserve Notes”.

What prominent LDS man was a driving force in the founding and governance of The Federal Reserve?

I’ll be back later to answer that question, provide some more primary source documents that flesh out our story, and discuss how this man’s life potentially relates to scriptural patterns.
Ah, my bad. Then it must be Marriner Eccles who was highly involved in the fed.

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endlessQuestions wrote: October 21st, 2023, 7:14 pm Okay, found it:

IMG_1781.jpeg

And a little light reading for the advanced students. 😅😂🤣

https://continuum.utah.edu/departments/ ... f-passage/

https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/file ... 201915.pdf

I’m interested to hear who y’all think may have been pulling the strings. I’ll check in tomorrow to see what your thoughts are. If you want a hint, look in your wallet for the notes.
Dr John Dewey, mentioned on page 2 of the Preliminary Statement, is supposed to have had a role in "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America".

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silverado wrote: October 22nd, 2023, 9:59 am
endlessQuestions wrote: October 21st, 2023, 7:14 pm Okay, found it:

IMG_1781.jpeg

And a little light reading for the advanced students. 😅😂🤣

https://continuum.utah.edu/departments/ ... f-passage/

https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/file ... 201915.pdf

I’m interested to hear who y’all think may have been pulling the strings. I’ll check in tomorrow to see what your thoughts are. If you want a hint, look in your wallet for the notes.
Dr John Dewey, mentioned on page 2 of the Preliminary Statement, is supposed to have had a role in "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America".
I have a Masters Degree in Education, and can confirm that Dr. John Dewey is one of the primary people responsible for the destruction of our education system, and the creation of the current system we observe here in the United States of America.

I would strongly recommend a deep dive into the life and philosophy of that man for those interested in the topic.

I found it fascinating that his name was in that document, along with the acknowledged role that the university's fraternities were playing in the conflict - as well as their denials of the allegations being made. Please note how his legacy is described:

"John Dewey was an American philosopher, psychologist, and educational reformer. He was one of the most prominent American scholars in the first half of the twentieth century. The overriding theme of Dewey's works was his profound belief in democracy, be it in politics, education, or communication and journalism."

For anyone paying attention, his "profound belief in democracy" should be a big hint as to what kind of person we are dealing with. That "profound belief in democracy" is the pre-runner to the Operation Mockingbird, "this is a grave danger to our democracy" campaign we've seen unfold over the last several years:

"A Danger To Our Democracy" news media montage:

https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=5 ... XaGg8,st:0

As always, the problem with taking occult secret society members at their word is - well, they've made secret "death oaths" to protect certain groups of people above others, haven't they? For more information on the practical problems of allowing occult secret society members to lead and teach an organization, you can visit my blog at https://ldsabuse.info/blog. I did at least four posts specifically on this exact issue, including some commentary on how it's played out in my own situation.

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madvin wrote: October 22nd, 2023, 9:11 am
endlessQuestions wrote: October 22nd, 2023, 6:52 am
madvin wrote: October 21st, 2023, 11:50 pm

Looking in my wallet, I found a Grant. Benere Harrison Grant being a member of S & B in 1910, how about the Board of Regents around 1915? I could not find any list of names of the Regents anywhere, though.
Good guess, but it’s not about the people *on* the bills. What type of bills are they, and who issues them?

They are called “Federal Reserve Notes”.

What prominent LDS man was a driving force in the founding and governance of The Federal Reserve?

I’ll be back later to answer that question, provide some more primary source documents that flesh out our story, and discuss how this man’s life potentially relates to scriptural patterns.
Ah, my bad. Then it must be Marriner Eccles who was highly involved in the fed.
That is correct! Marriner S. Eccles would be one person I would highly recommend people research if they are interested in who was "pulling the strings" in UT during this period in Utah history.

His general history is well known, and can be viewed at sites like Wikepedia, etc. But we, of course, wanted to understand the man, his motives, and especially HIS ACTIONS (because actions reveal intent) better, and so we did further research. What we found was, well - biblical. And that's not just us saying so - it's his interpretation of the events, it would appear. Today I will introduce the bare minimum amount of primary source material required to help those interested decide if they would like to look into this topic further.

NOTE: I was told to look into Marriner S. Eccles by multiple sources simultaneously, including a former employee of The U.S State Department who is likely on the edge of becoming a name you will be hearing in the mainstream media if you care about the topics of misinformation, disinformation, and the governments role in violating the rights of its citizens. This particular source now has Elon Musk responding directly to many of his tweets, has had 10s of millions of Twitter impressions on his content, and is aiming to be interviewed on the Joe Rogan podcast, which looks likely to happen if things continue along the same trajectory they have been on over the last six months. If people are interested, I think I would feel comfortable sharing some of our messages with the group, as they were done on a public platform, and I was never asked to keep the communications private. So feel free to ask if there is interest there.

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Question #2: Is there any evidence that there were any individuals or groups who had a vested interest in wresting control of the physical and financial resources of the state of Utah away from Mormon hands?

Answer: Yes, and at the head of that group was Marriner S. Eccles. Let's look at his own words in order to provide the evidence.

The book we'll be referring to can be found here:

https://archive.org/details/beckoningfr ... +frontiers

It is called "The Beckoning Frontiers", and was written by Eccles himself as an autobiographical exploration of his life and his self-perceived place in the times he found himself. We will be focusing on Part II of said work, which Eccles called "Seven Kine, Fat and Lean", which is a clear reference to the biblical story of Pharoah's dream, and the prophet Joseph's interpretation and subsequent actions regarding that dream, which we will cover next, in order to set the context.

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The story of Pharaoh's dream, Joseph's interpretation of the dream, and the ensuing events can be found in Genesis 41. There were no changes made by Joseph Smith to this part of the Bible in his Inspired Translation, so you can turn right to it in your Gospel Library app, if you still have access to that. You can also visit https://www.centerplace.org/hs/iv/genesis.htm#c41 and listen to it, or just read it right here:

Genesis - Inspired Version

Joseph interprets Pharaoh's dreams--He is made chief steward--Manasseh and Ephraim born--Joseph's preparations save Egypt from famine

41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full years, that Pharaoh dreamed; and behold, he stood by the river.

41:2 And behold, there came up out of the river seven well-favored kine and fat-fleshed; and they fed in a meadow.

41:3 And behold, seven other kine came up after them out of the river, ill-favored and lean-fleshed, and stood by the other kine upon the brink of the river.

41:4 And the ill-favored and lean-fleshed kine did eat up the seven well-favored and fat kine. So Pharaoh awoke.

41:5 And he slept and dreamed the second time; and behold, seven ears of corn came up upon one stalk, rank and good.

41:6 And behold, seven thin ears and blasted with the east wind sprung up after them.

41:7 And the seven thin ears devoured the seven rank and full ears. And Pharaoh awoke, and behold, it was a dream.

41:8 And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the magicians of Egypt and all the wise men thereof; and Pharaoh told them his dream; but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh.

41:9 Then spake the chief butler unto Pharaoh, saying, I do remember my faults this day;

41:10 Pharaoh was wroth with his servants and put me in ward in the captain of the guard's house, both me and the chief baker;

41:11 And we dreamed a dream in one night, I and he; we dreamed each man according to the interpretation of his dream.

41:12 And there was there with us a young man, a Hebrew, servant to the captain of the guard; and we told him, and he interpreted to us our dreams, to each man according to his dream he did interpret.

41:13 And it came to pass, as he interpreted to us, so it was; me he restored unto mine office, and him he hanged.

41:14 Then Pharaoh sent and called Joseph, and they brought him hastily out of the dungeon; and he shaved himself, and changed his raiment, and came in unto Pharaoh.

41:15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it; and I have heard say of thee that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it.

41:16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me; God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace.

41:17 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, In my dream, behold, I stood upon the bank of the river;

41:18 And behold, there came up out of the river seven kine, fat-fleshed and well-favored; and they fed in a meadow;

41:19 And behold, seven other kine came up after them, poor and very ill-favored and lean-fleshed, such as I never saw in all the land of Egypt for badness;

41:20 And the lean and the ill-favored kine did eat up the first seven fat kine;

41:21 And when they had eaten them up, it could not be known that they had eaten them; but they were still ill-favored, as at the beginning. So I awoke.

41:22 And I saw in my dream, and behold, seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good;

41:23 And behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprang up after them;

41:24 And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears; and I told this unto the magicians, but there was none that could declare it to me.

41:25 And Joseph said unto Pharaoh, The dream of Pharaoh is one; God hath showed Pharaoh what he is about to do.

41:26 The seven good kine are seven years; and the seven good ears are seven years; the dream is one.

41:27 And the seven thin and ill-favored kine that came up after them are seven years; and the seven empty ears blasted with the east wind shall be seven years of famine.

41:28 This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh: What God is about to do he showeth unto Pharaoh.

41:29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt;

41:30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine; and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt; and the famine shall consume the land.

41:31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following; for it shall be very grievous.

41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

41:33 Now, therefore, let Pharaoh look out a man, discreet and wise, and set him over the land of Egypt.

41:34 Let Pharaoh do this, and let him appoint officers over the land, and take up the fifth part of the land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years.

41:35 And let them gather all the food of those good years that come and lay up corn under the hand of Pharaoh, and let them keep food in the cities.

41:36 And that food shall be for store to the land against the seven years of famine, which shall be in the land of Egypt, that the land perish not through the famine.

41:37 And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh and in the eyes of all his servants.

41:38 And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

41:39 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art.

41:40 Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled; only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

41:41 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt.

41:42 And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;

41:43 And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee; and he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt.

41:44 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.

41:45 And Pharaoh called Joseph's name Zaphnath-paaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath, the daughter of Poti-pherah, priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.

41:46 And Joseph was thirty years old when he stood before Pharaoh, king of Egypt. And Joseph went out from the presence of Pharaoh and went throughout all the land of Egypt.

41:47 And in the seven plenteous years the earth brought forth by handfuls.

41:48 And he gathered up all the food of the seven years, which were in the land of Egypt, and laid up the food in the cities; the food of the field, which was round about every city, laid he up in the same.

41:49 And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea, very much, until he left numbering; for it was without number.

41:50 And unto Joseph were born two sons, before the years of famine came, which Asenath, the daughter of Poti-pherah, priest of On, bare unto him.

41:51 And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh; For God, said he, hath made me forget all my toil and all my father's house.

41:52 And the name of the second called he Ephraim; For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction.

41:53 And the seven years of plenteousness that was in the land of Egypt were ended.

41:54 And the seven years of dearth began to come according as Joseph had said; and the dearth was in all lands; but in all the land of Egypt there was bread.

41:55 And when all the land of Egypt was famished, the people cried to Pharaoh for bread; and Pharaoh said unto all the Egyptians, Go unto Joseph; what he saith to you, do.

41:56 And the famine was over all the face of the earth; and Joseph opened all the storehouses and sold unto the Egyptians; and the famine waxed sore in the land of Egypt.

41:57 And all countries came into Egypt to Joseph for to buy corn because that the famine was so sore in all lands.

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As you are about to see, Marriner S. Eccles seems to have believed that he was some sort of "Joseph"-like figure. I will leave it to the dedicated student to determine for him or herself to draw their own conclusions regarding the accuracy of his belief. If people would like to compare/contrast the story of Joseph to the story of Marriner Eccles, I would highly encourage that type of discussion, and will do what I can to participate as time allows.

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Okay, to the text from Marriner S. Eccles "Beckoning Frontiers". I've included a photo of him here so everyone can see who it is we're talking about.
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Let's start with Chapter 1 of Part II, which Eccles titled "Joseph and His Brothers".

The main thrust of this chapter is an attempt to compare his father David to the biblical patriarch Jacob, himself to Joseph, and his brothers (especially his brother's from his father's first wife) as the "other brothers" that make up the Tribes of Israel.

That's a pretty bold position to take, and as well all know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence in order to be proven as true. So what evidence did Marriner S. Eccles put forward to show that his family was destined to play a pivotal role in the divine destiny of God's people, and that he ought to be celebrated as a modern day Joseph of Egypt?

We'll look at that next.

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Eccles starts this chapter with an acknowledgment that his father never praised him for the work he was doing, but goes on to say that a monetary gift he was awarded by David was "meant to show his approval for the way I had done my job". He goes on to say, "Naturally, I was much pleased".
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I am not a psychologist, but I think there is something here for us to learn about Marriner S. Eccles, what he perceived as expressions of fatherly affection and approval, and to ponder on what that might mean in regards to his claim to be a modern day Joseph of Egypt. It seems reasonable to me to assert that if Marriner saw temporal prosperity as a sign of approval from father figures, his attempt to turn himself into a "Joseph of Egypt" figure makes a great deal of sense - on a certain level.

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Soon after receiving this gift, Marriner learned that his father had unexpectedly passed away:
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At the time of his death, David Eccles was the wealthiest man in Utah,:
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Which, as you can imagine, created a very interesting dynamic inside of David's polygamous family. I don't want to go into great detail here, but the key takeaway is that there appears to have been some tension about how David's assets were distributed upon his untimely demise:
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Let's look next at a couple of Marriner's thoughts about his father's economic philosophy, and what happened when he became more "enlightened" due to the opportunities afforded him by his father's efforts.

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Marriner has this to say about his dad's economic philosophies, and this quote also gives us the benefit of understanding exactly when Marriner's line of reasoning shifted, and for what reasons:
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It appears he was approximately 40 years old when he had a "change of heart" about how the world works, specifically the world of finance. He mentions that he was in his early twenties when his father passed away, and that the events that followed took a toll on his innocence. He doesn't elaborate regarding that, at least explicitly, as far as I'm aware:
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40 is an interesting number. It plays a key part in our standard works, and I would highly encourage everyone to spend some time understanding the significance of that number from a Biblical perspective.

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The next important piece of evidence in evaluating Marriner's claims to being a "modern day Joseph of Egypt" surround his marriage to May Campbell Young (no known relation to the Beverly Campbell family or Brigham Young family - further research needed). The only quote I would like to point out here is this one, in which he acknowledges he never spoke about religion with his wife before dating her, and neglected her and their three children which "cast a shadow" on their union and familial relations:
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Okay, enough family history. Let's look at how Marriner handled his business.

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Marriner gives us the details on how his father's estate was probated, and then mentions an interesting name: Robert Anderson.
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I am not going to go into why that is interesting here, except to say that it intersects with my research on ritual abuse quite nicely. Research is in progress in this area, and may or may not bear fruit.

What this does do is tie the Eccles to the Andersons, who were doing business with the Nibleys, etc, etc, etc. The formation of the "Mormon aristocracy" comes nicely into focus if you trace these relationships carefully, and, as always, follow the money.

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Eccles decided to take his 2/7ths and go what I would consider to be the opposite direction his father had gone: he started an investment company, which at the age of twenty three, led him into the banking business:
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One might reasonably ask what the effect of moving from the types of businesses David ran into the type of work Marriner was doing does to one's soul. I believe the standard works have much to say on this matter, but will leave it to each individual to draw their own conclusions.

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Time for a break. Need to teach a Come, Follow Me lesson on 1 and 2 Thessolonians.

It's about some guys who got accused of "turning the world upside down" through their preaching (Acts 17:6). This angered the religious leaders of the area (Acts 17:1-10), which eventually led to these men being asked to leave the community.

I think I'm prepared for this one. :)

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endlessQuestions wrote: October 22nd, 2023, 2:37 pm Time for a break. Need to teach a Come, Follow Me lesson on 1 and 2 Thessolonians.

It's about some guys who got accused of "turning the world upside down" through their preaching (Acts 17:6). This angered the religious leaders of the area (Acts 17:1-10), which eventually led to these men being asked to leave the community.

I think I'm prepared for this one. :)
Acts 17 is an excellent chapter- verse 23-24
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To the Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Pretty brutal assessment- they don’t know who they worship but they build temples for their God- unfortunately God does not dwell in temples made of men’s hands.

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2 Thessalonians 2 is a very important chapter of scripture. I suspect it is being fulfilled right now.

I have wondered long and hard about the roots of the cabal in the Church. When and through whom were they established?

I've had to go back to the first principles, faith in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ and repentance, because I no longer trust any of the rest. I don't think they were all corrupt, I want to attribute goodwill to as many people as I can. But, I won't trust anyone unless God clearly and unmistakably tells me that I can.

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