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https://seek.deseretbook.com/p/building ... out-racism

I personally find stuff like this more akin to Priestcraft. However, is this message approaching CRT disguised as CTR?

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Agreed! These people are masters at warping the words of Christ- instead of loving the sinner and hating the sin..we are encouraged to embrace the sinner while embracing that God loves the (sin)sun as well.
We are instructed to change by rejecting that there is anything to repent of except the inherent “racism” or “divisive intolerance “ each of us have.
They set themselves up as a light and hide the truth under a bushel and say that inclusivity and tolerance is the greatest attribute.
They do not want to change/repent to become what God wants us to be but have made a God of their own hands/minds that does not require obedience to eternal law. He accepts and loves the sinner and thus the sin becomes untouchable.

And imo the women of the church are being asked to accept this and lead the way. Hence all the calling of DEI and LGBTQ sympathizers and foot soldiers in positions of wand influence. The children of the church are the goal. The next generation will be influenced by their mothers to accept all manner of evil in the name of loving their neighbors.

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Sheri Dew, president of Deseret Book, is on my list of people who make my spider senses tingle.

She has been for many years.

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Who is the finger being waved at?

Obviously conservatives. Or, "WASPs".

This is the big tell that it is propaganda infecting the church.


It's funny because the problem of racism in the world is found outside of conservatism.

Our church leaders have joined fully with the United Nations and Agenda 2030. Not surprising to see this.

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tribrac wrote: October 20th, 2023, 8:05 am Sheri Dew, president of Deseret Book, is on my list of people who make my spider senses tingle.

She has been for many years.

Sheri Don't

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pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: October 20th, 2023, 7:36 am https://seek.deseretbook.com/p/building ... out-racism

I personally find stuff like this more akin to Priestcraft. However, is this message approaching CRT disguised as CTR?
The main page of the Seek site has the tagline "video courses to help you live the gospel". All for a fee of course. Reeks of priestcraft.

Whatever happened to using the Gift of the Holy Ghost to help us live the gospel? To studying and learning from the scriptures and applying the principles found therein? To following the example of Jesus Christ?

Those are much better sources for truth and help in living the gospel than paying to be preached to by the likes of Emily Belle Freeman, Ben Schilaty, and their ilk.

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I find it interesting, racism is segregation by the color of skin or race, but if taken solely by itself, it’s separation. And what church is one of the most segregative or divisive on the planet and uses their theology to promote segregation? I’m not saying that separation is bad, but when you elevate men and obedience to them as part of that separation, that’s the part that is a bit of a downer.

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Maybe I should go to the local Spanish ward and then to the Polynesian branch to ask them how I, a primary teacher in the Butcrack Utah 2nd ward, am supporting institional racism within the church.

If you don't see the irony there, please read it again.

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Don't forget to sign up for this one while you're there!:
"Building Zion: Faithful LGBTQ Allyship
Learn how to be a covenant-keeping LGBTQ ally by creating Zion in your community.
Ben Schilaty $15"

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I'm thankful that there is no Deseret Book in Mexico.

Let's start calling them what they really are: LDON

Latter Day Order of Nehors.

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tribrac wrote: October 20th, 2023, 8:47 am Maybe I should go to the local Spanish ward and then to the Polynesian branch to ask them how I, a primary teacher in the Butcrack Utah 2nd ward, am supporting institional racism within the church.

If you don't see the irony there, please read it again.
"Butcrack Utah 2nd ward" :D lol

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JohnnyL wrote: October 20th, 2023, 10:38 am Don't forget to sign up for this one while you're there!:
"Building Zion: Faithful LGBTQ Allyship
Learn how to be a covenant-keeping LGBTQ ally by creating Zion in your community.
Ben Schilaty $15"
It never ceases to amaze me how easy Zion has been to build all this time.

For centuries, people have been trying to build Zion by overcoming their natural man and submitting their will to God.

So it is remarkable that now, in the 2020s, we have finally found the secret. And even more remarkable is that this secret came not from God through revelation, but from the world.

All we have to is indulge our natural man and celebrate deviancy. Zion is not built on self-disciple out of love of God. Rather it is built on hedonism out of love of self. We show our love of God by indulgence in our desires. We please God when we please ourselves. True sin is making others feel bad about that indulgence.

Who knew? Sodom and Gomorrah were likely so close to being lifted up like the city of Enoch if it weren't for that darn hospitality problem. Heartbreaking.

And now we know why there were so few homosexuals in Jewish culture.. they were all in Enoch doing their thing when it got taken to heaven.

And for only $15, you can finally be a part of Zion too!

Most suprising of all, though, is that there are still people who think the church is sending a clear message against homosexuality... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex marriage... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex sealings! This will never change!

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Serragon wrote: October 20th, 2023, 11:18 am
JohnnyL wrote: October 20th, 2023, 10:38 am Don't forget to sign up for this one while you're there!:
"Building Zion: Faithful LGBTQ Allyship
Learn how to be a covenant-keeping LGBTQ ally by creating Zion in your community.
Ben Schilaty $15"
It never ceases to amaze me how easy Zion has been to build all this time.

For centuries, people have been trying to build Zion by overcoming their natural man and submitting their will to God.

So it is remarkable that now, in the 2020s, we have finally found the secret. And even more remarkable is that this secret came not from God through revelation, but from the world.

All we have to is indulge our natural man and celebrate deviancy. Zion is not built on self-disciple out of love of God. Rather it is built on hedonism out of love of self. We show our love of God by indulgence in our desires. We please God when we please ourselves. True sin is making others feel bad about that indulgence.

Who knew? Sodom and Gomorrah were likely so close to being lifted up like the city of Enoch if it weren't for that darn hospitality problem. Heartbreaking.

And now we know why there were so few homosexuals in Jewish culture.. they were all in Enoch doing their thing when it got taken to heaven.

And for only $15, you can finally be a part of Zion too!

Most suprising of all, though, is that there are still people who think the church is sending a clear message against homosexuality... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex marriage... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex sealings! This will never change!
I thought the prophet sent a pretty strong message against same sex marriage in General Conference. And that the LDON were upset about it.

But one thing is to message something in a brief talk in General Conference, and another thing is to allow that these things be propagated within Church-aligned publications without penalty. Or even to come out (pun not intended) in support of such actions "as long as somebody else is doing it" and not ourselves. What happened to not endorsing sinful behavior?

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Subcomandante wrote: October 20th, 2023, 11:32 am
Serragon wrote: October 20th, 2023, 11:18 am
JohnnyL wrote: October 20th, 2023, 10:38 am Don't forget to sign up for this one while you're there!:
"Building Zion: Faithful LGBTQ Allyship
Learn how to be a covenant-keeping LGBTQ ally by creating Zion in your community.
Ben Schilaty $15"
It never ceases to amaze me how easy Zion has been to build all this time.

For centuries, people have been trying to build Zion by overcoming their natural man and submitting their will to God.

So it is remarkable that now, in the 2020s, we have finally found the secret. And even more remarkable is that this secret came not from God through revelation, but from the world.

All we have to is indulge our natural man and celebrate deviancy. Zion is not built on self-disciple out of love of God. Rather it is built on hedonism out of love of self. We show our love of God by indulgence in our desires. We please God when we please ourselves. True sin is making others feel bad about that indulgence.

Who knew? Sodom and Gomorrah were likely so close to being lifted up like the city of Enoch if it weren't for that darn hospitality problem. Heartbreaking.

And now we know why there were so few homosexuals in Jewish culture.. they were all in Enoch doing their thing when it got taken to heaven.

And for only $15, you can finally be a part of Zion too!

Most suprising of all, though, is that there are still people who think the church is sending a clear message against homosexuality... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex marriage... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex sealings! This will never change!
I thought the prophet sent a pretty strong message against same sex marriage in General Conference. And that the LDON were upset about it.

But one thing is to message something in a brief talk in General Conference, and another thing is to allow that these things be propagated within Church-aligned publications without penalty. Or even to come out (pun not intended) in support of such actions "as long as somebody else is doing it" and not ourselves. What happened to not endorsing sinful behavior?
We are truly a church of the mixed message.

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Subcomandante wrote: October 20th, 2023, 11:32 am
Serragon wrote: October 20th, 2023, 11:18 am
JohnnyL wrote: October 20th, 2023, 10:38 am Don't forget to sign up for this one while you're there!:
"Building Zion: Faithful LGBTQ Allyship
Learn how to be a covenant-keeping LGBTQ ally by creating Zion in your community.
Ben Schilaty $15"
It never ceases to amaze me how easy Zion has been to build all this time.

For centuries, people have been trying to build Zion by overcoming their natural man and submitting their will to God.

So it is remarkable that now, in the 2020s, we have finally found the secret. And even more remarkable is that this secret came not from God through revelation, but from the world.

All we have to is indulge our natural man and celebrate deviancy. Zion is not built on self-disciple out of love of God. Rather it is built on hedonism out of love of self. We show our love of God by indulgence in our desires. We please God when we please ourselves. True sin is making others feel bad about that indulgence.

Who knew? Sodom and Gomorrah were likely so close to being lifted up like the city of Enoch if it weren't for that darn hospitality problem. Heartbreaking.

And now we know why there were so few homosexuals in Jewish culture.. they were all in Enoch doing their thing when it got taken to heaven.

And for only $15, you can finally be a part of Zion too!

Most suprising of all, though, is that there are still people who think the church is sending a clear message against homosexuality... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex marriage... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex sealings! This will never change!
I thought the prophet sent a pretty strong message against same sex marriage in General Conference. And that the LDON were upset about it.

But one thing is to message something in a brief talk in General Conference, and another thing is to allow that these things be propagated within Church-aligned publications without penalty. Or even to come out (pun not intended) in support of such actions "as long as somebody else is doing it" and not ourselves. What happened to not endorsing sinful behavior?
It’s like Holland begging for us to have a trowel in one hand and a musket in the other; then soon after announcing the “Office of Belonging”. Almost like they’re saying “Peons of the Church…defend the Church with all you have…oh, by the way, we hired the assassins and placed them behind the walls…oh, if you defend your children or your neighbors child, you are divisive”.

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Serragon wrote: October 20th, 2023, 11:36 am
Subcomandante wrote: October 20th, 2023, 11:32 am
Serragon wrote: October 20th, 2023, 11:18 am

It never ceases to amaze me how easy Zion has been to build all this time.

For centuries, people have been trying to build Zion by overcoming their natural man and submitting their will to God.

So it is remarkable that now, in the 2020s, we have finally found the secret. And even more remarkable is that this secret came not from God through revelation, but from the world.

All we have to is indulge our natural man and celebrate deviancy. Zion is not built on self-disciple out of love of God. Rather it is built on hedonism out of love of self. We show our love of God by indulgence in our desires. We please God when we please ourselves. True sin is making others feel bad about that indulgence.

Who knew? Sodom and Gomorrah were likely so close to being lifted up like the city of Enoch if it weren't for that darn hospitality problem. Heartbreaking.

And now we know why there were so few homosexuals in Jewish culture.. they were all in Enoch doing their thing when it got taken to heaven.

And for only $15, you can finally be a part of Zion too!

Most suprising of all, though, is that there are still people who think the church is sending a clear message against homosexuality... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex marriage... oops - already caved on that, i mean same sex sealings! This will never change!
I thought the prophet sent a pretty strong message against same sex marriage in General Conference. And that the LDON were upset about it.

But one thing is to message something in a brief talk in General Conference, and another thing is to allow that these things be propagated within Church-aligned publications without penalty. Or even to come out (pun not intended) in support of such actions "as long as somebody else is doing it" and not ourselves. What happened to not endorsing sinful behavior?
We are truly a church of the mixed message.
It sure appears that way. And in the most cowardly way it seems.

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I was born in the covenant. I'm in my 60s, it changed so radically, just don't recognize this is the religion I grew up in.

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Christian leaders would be wise to listen to
@MattWalshBlog
here. Tolerance without discernment means no boundaries. It means destruction. There is a world of difference between welcoming people where they ARE, to come into a house of worship, versus allowing them to subvert the gospel or make a mockery of Christianity from your own pulpit or event.

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Hiker wrote: October 20th, 2023, 4:40 pm
Christian leaders would be wise to listen to
@MattWalshBlog
here. Tolerance without discernment means no boundaries. It means destruction. There is a world of difference between welcoming people where they ARE, to come into a house of worship, versus allowing them to subvert the gospel or make a mockery of Christianity from your own pulpit or event.
Amen, amen, and amen. I know lots of people hate him, but I'm a fan of Matt Walsh.

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Hiker wrote: October 20th, 2023, 4:05 pm I was born in the covenant. I'm in my 60s, it changed so radically, just don't recognize this is the religion I grew up in.
It's not even the same one as ten years ago.

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5th Sunday struggle sessions coming soon! When we moved into our ward back in 2011 they were having lessons on, I kid you not, “How to talk to a non-member.” My husband and I were beside ourselves. They did role playing and everything. It was nauseatingly cringe 😖😬

They can dust off that role playing skit & teach all the racist whites how to talk to “the brotha’s” now. Maybe ward choirs can get their “Africa” on like MoTab and we can culturally appropriate our way of racism.

Best teach the little racists in primary the new song below so it can become their new go-to song for when things get scary. It covers 2 ESG scores perfectly, racism & climate change! Our score should rise every time it’s sung!

“Adam was a racist, first one that was born, he had other racists till the earth was warm.
His racist little babies, made this world all hot, now we’re trying to fix it before it turns to rot”

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pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: October 20th, 2023, 7:36 am https://seek.deseretbook.com/p/building ... out-racism

I personally find stuff like this more akin to Priestcraft. However, is this message approaching CRT disguised as CTR?
One of those sisters just spoke at the all female event at the Marriot Center yesterday along with the relief society president, 3 sports illustrated models of modesty, and the head of the office of belonging among others. Isn't the Pac12 wonderful? There are reasons why the Pac10/12 never wanted BYU. Apparently those reasons no longer exist because they're in. Enjoy the money guys. Vomit aplenty!! These sisters are generating demand for anti-racism which is really just about power.

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pho·to·syn·the·sis wrote: October 20th, 2023, 7:36 am
I personally find stuff like this more akin to Priestcraft. However, is this message approaching CRT disguised as CTR?

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Bonhoeffer wrote: October 20th, 2023, 8:47 pm “Adam was a racist, first one that was born, he had other racists till the earth was warm.
His racist little babies, made this world all hot, now we’re trying to fix it before it turns to rot”
Haha that’s quality mate

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Someone needs to ask them the question:

"Is it possible for a black person to be racist?"

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