Meeting with stake president

[Fred]

Curious: who is “banding together,” and how are you/they doing it?

For one, many are striving to pull away from the false doctrines of the church. That includes many of us on the forum, but I think the effort is much, much bigger than LDSFF, we are a drop in the bucket.

I know many people who are visiting in person, they are having church together, and they are worshipping the Lord. We do this as a family. We even know people who are moving to like-minded communities. In the past few years, we've probably had 100 different people in our home. The cumulative conversations and emails I've had with people are in the hundreds.

Yes, I have been on this forum for quite a few years and there have been many on here trying to pull people away from the church. But IIRC that was never the design, focus, nor allowed actions of this forum. It has only become such since the Devil targeted it to divide and dis-unify the saints of God which actually comprise the Church. Sure there have been those who stub their toe and then must curse the mountain because of it, but the mountain is made of many rocks, some large, some small, some sharp and some dull, but together all make the mountain.

What I have seen of this effect is that once someone throws a fit for long enough (attention starved?) they then endeavor to start their own church and do things their own way, which is what lucifer did. Most of the time I have witnessed these people do this, they have spiraled down into chaos and destruction with immorality, and bitter hearts, and souls. Not really the Christ-like examples they thought they were.

Really it comes down to pride and an unforgiving heart. If we are wronged (and we all have been whether by individuals, leaders, government or business entities) can we like Christ did and suffer it? Can we forgive? If not then we truly do hold the greater sin.

We can suffer it and also forgive. But there is more to it than that. It is a matter of life and death, both physically and spiritually. When we witness someone attempting to commit murder from the pulpit, we can be still and just let them do the killing, or we can declare truth and save lives. It's not like the lying pricks are harmless. There are actually people that believe their crap, get the jab, and die as a result. Some may not die, but suffer life long complications that could have been completely avoided by following Christ instead of satan. And it is not just the physical death from the jab. The doctrine has become evil. No attempt to build zion. Be a queer if you want. Just help us support the WEF and UN in Agenda 2030. We are going to collect all of the loot that we can. To hell with the widow and homeless. Become dependent on the government and save our loot. We are a world religion. Have faith to not be healed. Worship us! Kiss our ring. Stand up when we enter a room. We know whjat is best. Do as we say.

[Libertas Est Salus]

A family member accused me of not “believing” in the leaders of the church. I responded by assuring him that my faith in Christ is strong, as well as my love for the Book of Mormon, my belief in Joseph Smith and the restoration, and my faith and trust in Biblical prophecy.

He gave me a weird look and walked away. He did not seem impressed, but who knows. Maybe he is thinking about it.

To most members the church is equivalent to God.

This is absolutely correct. See attached response to my comment on a YouTube video. I alluded to RMN always virtue signaling. Her response was "God does not virtue signal."

Just amazing.

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[Telavian]

A family member accused me of not “believing” in the leaders of the church. I responded by assuring him that my faith in Christ is strong, as well as my love for the Book of Mormon, my belief in Joseph Smith and the restoration, and my faith and trust in Biblical prophecy.

He gave me a weird look and walked away. He did not seem impressed, but who knows. Maybe he is thinking about it.

To most members the church is equivalent to God.

This is absolutely correct. See attached response to my comment on a YouTube video. I alluded to RMN always virtue signaling. Her response was "God does not virtue signal."

Just amazing.

Notice also that since you were not 100% positive toward President Nelson then she alluded to you being outside the group. I have seen this several times. You are either 100% in, or 100% out.

[Serragon]

To most members the church is equivalent to God.

This is absolutely correct. See attached response to my comment on a YouTube video. I alluded to RMN always virtue signaling. Her response was "God does not virtue signal."

Just amazing.

Notice also that since you were not 100% positive toward President Nelson then she alluded to you being outside the group. I have seen this several times. You are either 100% in, or 100% out.

"There is a place in this church for everybody"...

Which isn't true. But even if it were true, it renders the church pointless and meaningless.

Everything is tribal, even Christianity. Pretending it is not is just deception.

[Lizzy60]

This is absolutely correct. See attached response to my comment on a YouTube video. I alluded to RMN always virtue signaling. Her response was "God does not virtue signal."

Just amazing.

Notice also that since you were not 100% positive toward President Nelson then she alluded to you being outside the group. I have seen this several times. You are either 100% in, or 100% out.

"There is a place in this church for everybody"...

Which isn't true. But even if it were true, it renders the church pointless and meaningless.

Everything is tribal, even Christianity. Pretending it is not is just deception.

Yes, and when they say there is a place in this church for everybody, they are talking about queers, Democrats, etc. Remember when they were telling us that if we weren’t vaxxed we still had to mask up? I had a person admit online that if they were in my ward and knew I wasn’t vaxxed, they would not sit near me, nor talk to me.

[Telavian]

"There is a place in this church for everybody"...

Which isn't true. But even if it were true, it renders the church pointless and meaningless.

Everything is tribal, even Christianity. Pretending it is not is just deception.

There is a difference between tribalism and 100% conformity. The problem with groupthink is when the group is wrong you are not allowed to say so by definition.
I have had more than one person say something like, "You are not part of X so you can't criticize X". By definition to be part of X you have to agree with all of X. This is circular reasoning.

[TwochurchesOnly]

Notice also that since you were not 100% positive toward President Nelson then she alluded to you being outside the group. I have seen this several times. You are either 100% in, or 100% out.

"There is a place in this church for everybody"...

Which isn't true. But even if it were true, it renders the church pointless and meaningless.

Everything is tribal, even Christianity. Pretending it is not is just deception.

Yes, and when they say there is a place in this church for everybody, they are talking about queers, Democrats, etc. Remember when they were telling us that if we weren’t vaxxed we still had to mask up? I had a person admit online that if they were in my ward and knew I wasn’t vaxxed, they would not sit near me, nor talk to me.

sad, and LOL-
I steered clear of the masked and vaxxholes
still do - self defense...

[cwass]

Notice also that since you were not 100% positive toward President Nelson then she alluded to you being outside the group. I have seen this several times. You are either 100% in, or 100% out.

"There is a place in this church for everybody"...

Which isn't true. But even if it were true, it renders the church pointless and meaningless.

Everything is tribal, even Christianity. Pretending it is not is just deception.

Yes, and when they say there is a place in this church for everybody, they are talking about queers, Democrats, etc. Remember when they were telling us that if we weren’t vaxxed we still had to mask up? I had a person admit online that if they were in my ward and knew I wasn’t vaxxed, they would not sit near me, nor talk to me.

Ironically, the mother of my niece was supposed to take my son to byui, a few hour trip for her but she said she couldn't because he wasn't vaccinated and she didn't want to risk her family's health.

People are so scared when they are told to be. Doubt not, Fear not. What happened to people that are supposed to be faith filled

[InfoWarrior82]

"There is a place in this church for everybody"...

Which isn't true. But even if it were true, it renders the church pointless and meaningless.

Everything is tribal, even Christianity. Pretending it is not is just deception.

Yes, and when they say there is a place in this church for everybody, they are talking about queers, Democrats, etc. Remember when they were telling us that if we weren’t vaxxed we still had to mask up? I had a person admit online that if they were in my ward and knew I wasn’t vaxxed, they would not sit near me, nor talk to me.

Ironically, the mother of my niece was supposed to take my son to byui, a few hour trip for her but she said she couldn't because he wasn't vaccinated and she didn't want to risk her family's health.

People are so scared when they are told to be. Doubt not, Fear not. What happened to people that are supposed to be faith filled

Exactly. I think this very thing was the most telling part about it all. For a church that claims to have the keys to heal, the leaders showed us by their instruction that they don't even believe in the power of the priesthood. They have shown us that they view priesthood as simply exercising authority to formulate policy. Instead, we were told that the clotshots were sent from God Himself as the only way.

If this didn't shake you out of a deep slumber, I don't know what will.

[Fred]

"There is a place in this church for everybody"...

Which isn't true. But even if it were true, it renders the church pointless and meaningless.

Everything is tribal, even Christianity. Pretending it is not is just deception.

Yes, and when they say there is a place in this church for everybody, they are talking about queers, Democrats, etc. Remember when they were telling us that if we weren’t vaxxed we still had to mask up? I had a person admit online that if they were in my ward and knew I wasn’t vaxxed, they would not sit near me, nor talk to me.

Ironically, the mother of my niece was supposed to take my son to byui, a few hour trip for her but she said she couldn't because he wasn't vaccinated and she didn't want to risk her family's health.

People are so scared when they are told to be. Doubt not, Fear not. What happened to people that are supposed to be faith filled

All because they actually believe that God had no idea what he was doing when he designed the immune system and needed Fauci to pay to have a bioweapon created to solve the problem. Then they go to church and lie to each other about their faith. Their faith is in satan. Is it because they hate God or that they think he is an imbecile? Either way, the church that promotes their delirium is of satan.

[randyps]

Yes, and when they say there is a place in this church for everybody, they are talking about queers, Democrats, etc. Remember when they were telling us that if we weren’t vaxxed we still had to mask up? I had a person admit online that if they were in my ward and knew I wasn’t vaxxed, they would not sit near me, nor talk to me.

Ironically, the mother of my niece was supposed to take my son to byui, a few hour trip for her but she said she couldn't because he wasn't vaccinated and she didn't want to risk her family's health.

People are so scared when they are told to be. Doubt not, Fear not. What happened to people that are supposed to be faith filled

Exactly. I think this very thing was the most telling part about it all. For a church that claims to have the keys to heal, the leaders showed us by their instruction that they don't even believe in the power of the priesthood. They have shown us that they view priesthood as simply exercising authority to formulate policy. Instead, we were told that the clotshots were sent from God Himself as the only way.

If this didn't shake you out of a deep slumber, I don't know what will.

God wont violate our free agency. While we have him formulate a cure for covid why not have him solve homelessness and wars and ....oh wait, thats satans plan....to have no pain or suffering and 100% perfect robots.

Life is more fun the way it is now, I get to see grown men be crybabys over a 99yr old prophet

[Reluctant Watchman]

...I get to see grown men be crybabys over a 99yr old prophet

You sound like you have some unresolved trauma... care to share?

[InfoWarrior82]

Ironically, the mother of my niece was supposed to take my son to byui, a few hour trip for her but she said she couldn't because he wasn't vaccinated and she didn't want to risk her family's health.

People are so scared when they are told to be. Doubt not, Fear not. What happened to people that are supposed to be faith filled

Exactly. I think this very thing was the most telling part about it all. For a church that claims to have the keys to heal, the leaders showed us by their instruction that they don't even believe in the power of the priesthood. They have shown us that they view priesthood as simply exercising authority to formulate policy. Instead, we were told that the clotshots were sent from God Himself as the only way.

If this didn't shake you out of a deep slumber, I don't know what will.

God wont violate our free agency. While we have him formulate a cure for covid why not have him solve homelessness and wars and ....oh wait, thats satans plan....to have no pain or suffering and 100% perfect robots.

Life is more fun the way it is now, I get to see grown men be crybabys over a 99yr old prophet

God said nothing about laying hands on the heads of the homeless to heal their homelessness.

God said nothing about laying hands on the perpetrators of war and bloodshed to heal war and bloodshed.


Guess what God DID say to do about illness?

[tribrac]

Game, set and match.

[spiritMan]

This is absolutely correct. See attached response to my comment on a YouTube video. I alluded to RMN always virtue signaling. Her response was "God does not virtue signal."

Just amazing.

Notice also that since you were not 100% positive toward President Nelson then she alluded to you being outside the group. I have seen this several times. You are either 100% in, or 100% out.

"There is a place in this church for everybody"...

Which isn't true. But even if it were true, it renders the church pointless and meaningless.

Everything is tribal, even Christianity. Pretending it is not is just deception.

Exactly, it was originally meant that anyone if they are willing are welcome if they conform to the groups values, now it just means please join and give us money and you can be part of us.

[Moroni104]

The address that is officially listed is 50 E. North Temple, SLC, UT 84150 but some have offices in the same building is the lawyers at 50 E. South Temple. Encylopedia.com and Quora, both list Oaks and Nelson's address as 47 E. South Temple.

If you address it to one of the 15, and put "First Presidency" or "Quorum of the Twelve Apostles" as appropriate, I'm guessing it should reach them even with a not-perfectly-correct address.

It goes to missionaries who forward it to your SP.

It has to get past the censors. That is rare. Unless, as in GC, either Rasband or Renlund, shared a story about first having a family connection and then giving the royal treatment. Networking is real in the church. No network, no access.

That is what I think too.

I don't think that if I sent a letter to someone in the Q15 they would receive it / read it. I think some lower level person would read it and then forward it to my stake president. I suppose the only way to get out of that is to not put your real name / address.

[randyps]

Exactly. I think this very thing was the most telling part about it all. For a church that claims to have the keys to heal, the leaders showed us by their instruction that they don't even believe in the power of the priesthood. They have shown us that they view priesthood as simply exercising authority to formulate policy. Instead, we were told that the clotshots were sent from God Himself as the only way.

If this didn't shake you out of a deep slumber, I don't know what will.

God wont violate our free agency. While we have him formulate a cure for covid why not have him solve homelessness and wars and ....oh wait, thats satans plan....to have no pain or suffering and 100% perfect robots.

Life is more fun the way it is now, I get to see grown men be crybabys over a 99yr old prophet

God said nothing about laying hands on the heads of the homeless to heal their homelessness.

God said nothing about laying hands on the perpetrators of war and bloodshed to heal war and bloodshed.


Guess what God DID say to do about illness?

Nobody is talking about laying on of hands, you are using priesthood in the context of "The blessings of the priesthood", as in RMN using his Priesthood keys as prophet to proclaim the vaccine a Godsend.

It literally was a godsend for the world, there were safer and better alternatives to this clotshot but the evil powers in charge would not let it happen. There was no other solution for the world. Free agency myfriend, God wont intefere.

Now on an individual level, if you had faith in your own priesthood you would have used it to heal family that may have needed it. Not you personally but many in here crying about what a prophet should or shouldnt do are missing the point that the priesthood is also yours to bless you and your family.

My neighbor and his wife did not get the shot despite it being recommended by RMN, yet when his wife was having complications from covid delta he gave her a priesthood blessing.

[Reluctant Watchman]

It literally was a godsend for the world,

Yes, it literally sent people to God. Many, many souls.

[Mamabear]

Ironically, the mother of my niece was supposed to take my son to byui, a few hour trip for her but she said she couldn't because he wasn't vaccinated and she didn't want to risk her family's health.

People are so scared when they are told to be. Doubt not, Fear not. What happened to people that are supposed to be faith filled

Exactly. I think this very thing was the most telling part about it all. For a church that claims to have the keys to heal, the leaders showed us by their instruction that they don't even believe in the power of the priesthood. They have shown us that they view priesthood as simply exercising authority to formulate policy. Instead, we were told that the clotshots were sent from God Himself as the only way.

If this didn't shake you out of a deep slumber, I don't know what will.

God wont violate our free agency. While we have him formulate a cure for covid why not have him solve homelessness and wars and ....oh wait, thats satans plan....to have no pain or suffering and 100% perfect robots.

Life is more fun the way it is now, I get to see grown men be crybabys over a 99yr old prophet

God isn’t going to formulate a cure for covid…aka the flu. He left that to the science dummies who couldn’t do it or didn’t want to do it and they faked it.

A 99 year old prophet? Please list all of his prophecies as a PSR over the last 34 years.

[madvin]

God already has, but we're not listening.

[BringerOfJoy]

I'm sure this is now after the fact, but she has no obligation to meet with them. They have no power over her but what she gives them. If a person wants that opportunity to bear witness then go for it. But the whole thing with him at the big desk and her in the little chair is exactly that. A power play. "Big me, little you and don't you forget it." They are more likely to do the power play with a woman than another man.

She can always tell them that they can come to her house, then they are on HER turf. And I wouldn't hesitate to quietly tape record the meeting depending on the laws in the state in which she resides. AND taking someone who is like minded WITH her as a witness is never a bad idea.

[randyps]

It literally was a godsend for the world,

Yes, it literally sent people to God. Many, many souls.

Isnt that what God want, for us to return to him? or is what you teach in your church to remain on earth aka telestial kingdom?

[CuriousThinker]

It literally was a godsend for the world,

Yes, it literally sent people to God. Many, many souls.

Isnt that what God want, for us to return to him? or is what you teach in your church to remain on earth aka telestial kingdom?

I'm pretty sure you knew what he meant, or should we thank gangs and mass murderers for sending people to God, too?

[Libertas Est Salus]

Yes, it literally sent people to God. Many, many souls.

Isnt that what God want, for us to return to him? or is what you teach in your church to remain on earth aka telestial kingdom?

I'm pretty sure you knew what he meant, or should we thank gangs and mass murderers for sending people to God, too?

"Abortionists are doing the babies a favor! They're just expediting the little ones' journey back to Heaven!"

[Reluctant Watchman]

It literally was a godsend for the world,

Yes, it literally sent people to God. Many, many souls.

Isnt that what God want, for us to return to him? or is what you teach in your church to remain on earth aka telestial kingdom?

More trauma, huh? Just let it allll out.