Meeting with stake president

[Arm Chair Quarterback]

Could it be that Nelson is building a NWO just like he pledged to do when taking the skull & bones blood oath’s? It was Michelle Obama that said, “ Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices; we are going to have to change our conversation; we're going to have to change our traditions, our history; we're going to have to move into a different place as a nation." Nelson must’ve been on the edge of his seat hearing that rallying cry! Wendy announced “it’s as if he’s been unleashed!”

Unlike some, I don't think his S&B membership matters much except to identify that he has been an elitist satanist for a long time.

As an elitist, satanist he cares about what his peers think and believe and wants to be in line with them. I think he cares much more about this now with his new wife than he did previously, but I think it has always been there. As his peers have changes, so has he. Though he presents himself as a great leader to the LDS, he really is mostly just a follower follows satan.

I made a couple modifications.

You mean minor modifications.

[~ternal-tummim]

This is my hope as well is that somehow we could get a critical mass of us

…

I just wish there was a way we could move forward in somehow banding together to bring our legitimate issues to the table and actually have them be acknowledged (even if they won't be accepted by the powers that be). I just don't know how that could be possible.

Slow-walking, slow-walking: this is their talent.
I prayed last Conference for an Announcement
We need something too fast, some drastic leftism
Not “softly into…” — No! We need a good schism.

[JohnnyL]

It goes to missionaries who forward it to your SP.

It has to get past the censors. That is rare. Unless, as in GC, either Rasband or Renlund, shared a story about first having a family connection and then giving the royal treatment. Networking is real in the church. No network, no access.

"It goes to missionaries who forward it to your SP."

Not mine, ever. Have you had the experience (with your son, maybe) that happened that way?

"It has to get past the censors. That is rare. Unless, as in GC, either Rasband or Renlund, shared a story about first having a family connection and then giving the royal treatment. Networking is real in the church. No network, no access."

Yeah, that's a problem. and if you have a family connection, or a missionary connection, or such, maybe.

But you never know what got censored that someone might have responded to, had they seen it.

I actually called the COB a few years ago. A very unprepared young sister missionary answered the phone.

Have you had experiences where your letter reached one of the 15 and you got a response?

No, I haven't even tried to make contact past the SP with the stuff with my son. We had a new SP called the week after he came home and during stake conference the mission pres for the local mission spoke. He said the only reason missionaries come home early is their own fault.

Smack in the face to the three from our stake that former SP confirmed were MP problems, not missionary problems. Perpetuated the stereotype of sin or weakness being the only reason.

Our church today us as the church in the days of Jesus mortal ministry. The leadership is corrupt. We will continue to worship the true and living God. He will come and clean it up in his own time.

They're trying to get senior missionaries in there to do that work now. About 2-3 decades ago my mother called for a question about RS, and a man answered the phone. She asked him, "Huh?" and he said they just told him to go there that day, he didn't understand either--but tried to help anyway.

Yes, I have had confirmation that a few letters reached them (one-two positive return letters (apostle), one neutral letter (apostle was referred to temple committee and they answered), and one very negative incident that I heard about through a friend that happened to a third party (apostle), and which I wrote back about where I just explained my feelings about what happened--not a response to that one). I have asked a few times in my letters to not write back, I just wanted them to know/ understand some things. The RS president when I wrote 10+ years ago never responded. Another apostle never responded to a very simple request, so I was hoping it might come out in a talk soon. <hopeful shrug>

I might have stood up and confronted the SP on that. (BTW, there is a skill to confrontation that is not inimical, and I am learning little by little.) Maybe sneaked him a sign on the way out, lol. I hope your former SP put him straight on it. Of course, maybe your former SP was released because of his take on things, which is even sadder.

See, they always say "talk to your SP," the SP often doesn't have a clue so he asks them... I really don't know, perhaps this is all a test right now.

[JohnnyL]

"It goes to missionaries who forward it to your SP."

Not mine, ever. Have you had the experience (with your son, maybe) that happened that way?

"It has to get past the censors. That is rare. Unless, as in GC, either Rasband or Renlund, shared a story about first having a family connection and then giving the royal treatment. Networking is real in the church. No network, no access."

Yeah, that's a problem. and if you have a family connection, or a missionary connection, or such, maybe.

But you never know what got censored that someone might have responded to, had they seen it.

I actually called the COB a few years ago. A very unprepared young sister missionary answered the phone.

Have you had experiences where your letter reached one of the 15 and you got a response?

No, I haven't even tried to make contact past the SP with the stuff with my son. We had a new SP called the week after he came home and during stake conference the mission pres for the local mission spoke. He said the only reason missionaries come home early is their own fault.

Smack in the face to the three from our stake that former SP confirmed were MP problems, not missionary problems. Perpetuated the stereotype of sin or weakness being the only reason.

Our church today us as the church in the days of Jesus mortal ministry. The leadership is corrupt. We will continue to worship the true and living God. He will come and clean it up in his own time.

A couple years ago, I went to the COB and asked the receptionist missionary (a young woman) if I could see and talk to President Nelson. She said, “Are you so and so,” as if RMN was waiting for someone. I said no. She said I couldn’t see RMN. I guess I hadn’t been vetted. How rude of me to ask for his time, though, right?

Ha ha! Right about that, lol. That's why I send letters, though I'm probably blacklisted by now and a scanner picks out all my letters to be trashed.

[JohnnyL]

"It goes to missionaries who forward it to your SP."

Not mine, ever. Have you had the experience (with your son, maybe) that happened that way?

"It has to get past the censors. That is rare. Unless, as in GC, either Rasband or Renlund, shared a story about first having a family connection and then giving the royal treatment. Networking is real in the church. No network, no access."

Yeah, that's a problem. and if you have a family connection, or a missionary connection, or such, maybe.

But you never know what got censored that someone might have responded to, had they seen it.

I actually called the COB a few years ago. A very unprepared young sister missionary answered the phone.

Have you had experiences where your letter reached one of the 15 and you got a response?

No, I haven't even tried to make contact past the SP with the stuff with my son. We had a new SP called the week after he came home and during stake conference the mission pres for the local mission spoke. He said the only reason missionaries come home early is their own fault.

Smack in the face to the three from our stake that former SP confirmed were MP problems, not missionary problems. Perpetuated the stereotype of sin or weakness being the only reason.

Our church today us as the church in the days of Jesus mortal ministry. The leadership is corrupt. We will continue to worship the true and living God. He will come and clean it up in his own time.

Can you imagine a missionary presenting that message? It is the true restored church of Christ, but leadership is off the rails.

Well, that SP showed it was true at least in some cases.

[JohnnyL]

For the record, this has WTF written all over it.

So God doesn't allow these things to happen?
He doesn't allow all those poor children in Africa and all over to die from malnutrition?
He doesn't know, I guess?

“All things are done in the wisdom of God” is different from “God allows these things to happen.”

If you think God’s will is to kill children - & think that is wisdom, then you worship a different god.

God gave us free will to choose - but that doesn’t mean our evil choices are “wisdom of God.”
The evil side of people do evil.
The GOoD side of people do good.

They are the same.

"God's will is to kill children?" Where was that?

[JohnnyL]

Generally, babies aren't aborted, fetuses are--so not the same…

Children (developing human beings) are aborted. Terms have impact. Many who try to justify killing children based on age discrimination try to use terms like, “parasite” or anything else that doesn’t sound like what it actually is - a LIVE CHILD - a developing human being.

A fetus is what it is. A child depends on what you want to think, or on truth we don't yet know. A human fetus's purpose is to become a child, a human being.

[Silver Pie]

Have you had experiences where your letter reached one of the 15 and you got a response?

I once wrote what amounted to a fan letter to Pres Hinckley. I got a generic reply, but I don't know if he ever actually saw the letter, or if some underling was tasked with replying to fan mail.

[Silver Pie]

Can you imagine a missionary presenting that message? It is the true restored church of Christ, but leadership is off the rails.

A breath of fresh air?
An honest assessment?

[Thinker]

... Basically, we are gutting what was something strong replacing it with a bunch of nothing. The new beliefs cannot be justified, so the reliance is on infallability. But under any kind of scrutiny, that appears as swiss cheese. Unless we reverse course, all that will be left are the usurpers dancing on the corpse of previous faith, and those few who blindly follow because they are too afraid of the idea that their personal spiritual foundation might be sand.

Maybe. Weak, Sandy foundation - definitely.

I say maybe because, I see how the church & Christianity too, has been corrupted for many years. Russel just sped it up with him probably having been blackmailed by TPTB.

Some could say the church is dying and in some ways that’s not so bad - by making room for a new birth, so to speak. Many people have benefited by the outright evil by church leaders in being woken up to how evil it is. To see clearly is a great gift.

[~ternal-tummim]

Generally, babies aren't aborted, fetuses are--so not the same…

Children (developing human beings) are aborted. Terms have impact. Many who try to justify killing children based on age discrimination try to use terms like, “parasite” or anything else that doesn’t sound like what it actually is - a LIVE CHILD - a developing human being.

A fetus is what it is. A child depends on what you want to think, or on truth we don't yet know. A human fetus's purpose is to become a child, a human being.

We just don’t know, oh who can say!
Some think it’s “no”, some guess it’s “yea.”
Just baseless! stupid! guess! insane!
that sucking out a “fetus” brain
might be a murder. Ha, ha, ha!
That’s just, like, your opinion, brah.
Vacuuming fetus brains, some like,
Others (old fashioned) might dislike,
But who is right? We just don’t know!
Oh no! No way to say! Don’t know!
Personal preference or taste:
That’s all upon which this is based.

Is it just me, or doesn’t it seem like it’d be risky
Allowing “child denialists” like this around my children?
If you’re not sure the “fetus” is a human yet ensouled
I’ll tell ya: you’ll find no additional behavioral evidence of “soul-having” nor “humanness” from a post-birth three-month-old.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[~ternal-tummim]

Many people have benefited
by the outright evil by church leaders
in being woken up
to how evil it is.
And To see clearly is a great gift.

New Year’s four years ago, I said: Woot! Such great numerology!
20/20: at last we’ll see, our sitch in crisp, clear clarity.
Sure nuff.
But
‘Twas ruff.

Some could say the church is dying
and in some ways that’s not so bad -
by making room for a new birth,
so to speak.

Slow death is bad
Sucks all life out
Evryone dies
New gens know zip
All lost. Is sad.

Quick death’s a hoot
Turmoil! Chaos!
Action, in short.
The backstabbed leave
God-blessed reboot.

“Even so:
come quickly
gay sealings.”

[Dusty Wanderer]

"It goes to missionaries who forward it to your SP."

Not mine, ever. Have you had the experience (with your son, maybe) that happened that way?

"It has to get past the censors. That is rare. Unless, as in GC, either Rasband or Renlund, shared a story about first having a family connection and then giving the royal treatment. Networking is real in the church. No network, no access."

Yeah, that's a problem. and if you have a family connection, or a missionary connection, or such, maybe.

But you never know what got censored that someone might have responded to, had they seen it.

I actually called the COB a few years ago. A very unprepared young sister missionary answered the phone.

Have you had experiences where your letter reached one of the 15 and you got a response?

No, I haven't even tried to make contact past the SP with the stuff with my son. We had a new SP called the week after he came home and during stake conference the mission pres for the local mission spoke. He said the only reason missionaries come home early is their own fault.

Smack in the face to the three from our stake that former SP confirmed were MP problems, not missionary problems. Perpetuated the stereotype of sin or weakness being the only reason.

Our church today us as the church in the days of Jesus mortal ministry. The leadership is corrupt. We will continue to worship the true and living God. He will come and clean it up in his own time.

A couple years ago, I went to the COB and asked the receptionist missionary (a young woman) if I could see and talk to President Nelson. She said, “Are you so and so,” as if RMN was waiting for someone. I said no. She said I couldn’t see RMN. I guess I hadn’t been vetted. How rude of me to ask for his time, though, right?

Who knows for sure, but I couldn't see them turning you away if you were a billionaire or international dignitary, "vetted" or not.

[Dusty Wanderer]

I can't disagree with your post. Your quotes indicate a gross misuse of the concept of sustaining.

If that's the case, then look at what this has done to the entire culture of the church. It's an alpha or pinnacle theology. Not to mention a totalitarian and anti-Christian philosophy. It permeates and saturates EVERY single aspect of the LDS religious experience.

It is curious that if you stood up in quorum meeting and confessed that you were having doubts about Jesus Christ as Savior, you would elicit much sympathy and people trying to help you regain your testimony.

But if you stood up to confess that you had doubts about Russell Nelson as a prophet, seer, and revelator, you would elicit much more fear and revulsion rather than empathy.

I think this is on point because it illustrates what is actually happening at the psychological and tribal levels.

People tend to react poorly to their idols being questioned. These idols are what make them special, give them status within the tribe, sets them apart from all the non-special masses.

From their perspective, attacking Jesus is not an attack on what makes them special because it doesn't distinguish them from the unenlightened masses. No harm, no foul.

However, questioning Nelson's divine mandate is not only a personal attack on each person's standing in the tribe, but also on the tribe's belief of elevated status amongst the masses... and maybe calls out individuals for rationalizing away their own doubts in favor of the group think.

For example, how did the mainstream cult react to vaccines and masks being questioned or disregarded? Mass hysteria. Those were/are their sacred idols that not only allowed them to maintain tribal status, but also provided some kind of mystical protection that they had to blindly trust because they chose to turn off critical thinking.

And nobody likes being jostled awake from a deep sleep.