Meeting with stake president

[cwass]

Asking for prayers for my niece. Mother of several small children.

After conference she wrote a letter to the salt lake leadership expressing her concerns about what's going on in the church. She received a call from her stake president today asking to meet tomorrow night.

She says she feels alone with no one thinking like her in her ward. Pray for her and that her testimony will shine bright...if she goes through with the meeting that she will have the strength.

[Arm Chair Quarterback]

Asking for prayers for my niece. Mother of several small children.

After conference she wrote a letter to the salt lake leadership expressing her concerns about what's going on in the church. She received a call from her stake president today asking to meet tomorrow night.

She says she feels alone with no one thinking like her in her ward. Pray for her and that her testimony will shine bright...if she goes through with the meeting that she will have the strength.

What did the letter say, specifically?

[Teancum1]

Take courage. We will pray for her and all of you who may feel the same way.

[Arm Chair Quarterback]

Have your niece move into my ward. Very conservative politically. Very conservative religiously. Very conservative spiritually. Very conservative doctrinally. Very conservative in six ways from Sunday. Very active church members. Faithful. Smart. Well educated. High incomes earners. All critical thinkers. They see the hypocrisy. We're a test case. If the church can fool our ward members, they can fool the church. LOL. Nearly the entire ward gets it. UN bad. Shots Bad. Masks silly. Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger bad. Brigham Young and Section 132 bad. Book of Abraham fraud. Peep Stone in a hat translation fake. Agenda 2030 evil. Super faithful people. Super spiritual. Super informed. None of them are deceived by the smoke and mirrors. Its refreshing.

[J2]

More of us need to be speaking up and speaking out.

I know we often like to say that it won't make any difference, but the reality is that enough people start speaking up, it CAN and WILL impact the way the leadership chooses to act.

Keep in mind that we've ALREADY seen this happen with the LGBT issues, with mental health, and many other concerns. If it works for the left wing of the church, it can work for us too.

Speaking out helps.

[Fred]

Some people are afraid to stand for truth, thinking they will be mocked or ridiculed. The more people that stand up, the easier it will be for others. Any Bishop or Stake President that values their jobs as a brown noser over your actual life is a disciple of satan. If all of the leadership in your ward or stake are disciples of satan, you might end up having to explain why you followed satan on Sunday instead of Christ. Nearly anything you might do on a Sunday is more beneficial than following satan. If you think that a person with enough disregard for your life to recommend a shot or mask, actually cares about you or your family, your IQ is less than triple digits.

There is no point in living a lie. Especially the biggest lie every told.

[Seed Starter]

Asking for prayers for my niece. Mother of several small children.

After conference she wrote a letter to the salt lake leadership expressing her concerns about what's going on in the church. She received a call from her stake president today asking to meet tomorrow night.

She says she feels alone with no one thinking like her in her ward. Pray for her and that her testimony will shine bright...if she goes through with the meeting that she will have the strength.

Do you think she prepared to make a decision when they take a hard stance? If she doesn't back down I think she will face discipline. If she doesn't do as they tell her to get back on the path they will probably go to the next step. I'm not saying you should tell her this will happen. Good for her for taking a stand! To all the people I've heard suggest writing letters to fix things this is what happens. Why doesn't the church just respond rather than involve the SP? I pray that her SP gives her his blessing and tells her to carry on in faith. Have you told her about this forum? She would get support from many here.

[Moroni104]

How does one even send a letter to the Salt Lake leadership? What email address or physical address?

[cwass]

Have your niece move into my ward. Very conservative politically. Very conservative religiously. Very conservative spiritually. Very conservative doctrinally. Very conservative in six ways from Sunday. Very active church members. Faithful. Smart. Well educated. High incomes earners. All critical thinkers. They see the hypocrisy. We're a test case. If the church can fool our ward members, they can fool the church. LOL. Nearly the entire ward gets it. UN bad. Shots Bad. Masks silly. Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger bad. Brigham Young and Section 132 bad. Book of Abraham fraud. Peep Stone in a hat translation fake. Agenda 2030 evil. Super faithful people. Super spiritual. Super informed. None of them are deceived by the smoke and mirrors. Its refreshing.

Your ward sounds awesome. I love it. Someone had to have led the way in educating people?

In general it was the general feeling that she feels they are gaslighting us. The tithing issue bothers many of us when they use that money for satanic organizations and then tell us not to worry...etc

[cwass]

Asking for prayers for my niece. Mother of several small children.

After conference she wrote a letter to the salt lake leadership expressing her concerns about what's going on in the church. She received a call from her stake president today asking to meet tomorrow night.

She says she feels alone with no one thinking like her in her ward. Pray for her and that her testimony will shine bright...if she goes through with the meeting that she will have the strength.

Do you think she prepared to make a decision when they take a hard stance? If she doesn't back down I think she will face discipline. If she doesn't do as they tell her to get back on the path they will probably go to the next step. I'm not saying you should tell her this will happen. Good for her for taking a stand! To all the people I've heard suggest writing letters to fix things this is what happens. Why doesn't the church just respond rather than involve the SP? I pray that her SP gives her his blessing and tells her to carry on in faith. Have you told her about this forum? She would get support from many here.

She has recently been made aware of the forum. I'm so proud of her for standing up. I'm not communicating with her directly....I'm 25+ years older than her but my wife has tried to be there for her. I don't know if she has any idea what she is in for.

I wrote a letter simply giving the names of people that were vaccine injured that are in my circle and members of the church. Haven't heard back. I got permission to use these peoples names in the letter with two of them being on the high council. Sent to my bishop, stake President and another prominent person. I just want them to know that there are hurting people that the church is ignoring. The church is losing total moral authority by ignoring these people. Now they have a list of names that will corroborate my story. So kick me out now...

[Fred]

How does one even send a letter to the Salt Lake leadership? What email address or physical address?

The address that is officially listed is 50 E. North Temple, SLC, UT 84150 but some have offices in the same building is the lawyers at 50 E. South Temple. Encylopedia.com and Quora, both list Oaks and Nelson's address as 47 E. South Temple.

[Mamabear]

How does one even send a letter to the Salt Lake leadership? What email address or physical address?

I believe this an example of how to email one of the 15.
[email protected]

[Reluctant Watchman]

How does one even send a letter to the Salt Lake leadership? What email address or physical address?

Here you go. I think this is the only address you need if you are gong to voice your opinion publicly.

Member Records Division, LDS Church
50 E North Temple, Room 1372
SLC, UT 84150-5310

[Reluctant Watchman]

Very conservative politically.
Very conservative religiously.
Very conservative spiritually.
Very conservative doctrinally.
Very active church members.
Faithful. Smart. Well educated.
High incomes earners.
All critical thinkers.
They see the hypocrisy.
If the church can fool our ward members, they can fool the church.
Book of Abraham fraud.
Peep Stone in a hat translation fake.
Super faithful people. Super spiritual.
Super informed. None of them are deceived by the smoke and mirrors.

Not to nitpick this too much... but...
• Is Conservative a good thing these days? Republicans are not conservative.
• Is being spiritually conservative a good thing?
• How about doctrinally conservative?
• What does an active church member mean? To be active, in many regards, suggests you do what the church tells you.
• Smart and well-educated can be good, but are they willing to be vocal about the apostate nature of the church?
• High income, again, can be good, but not a sign of righteousness.
• Are they critical thinkers... yet still pay their tithing, go to the temple, and sustain the brethren?
• Is the BoA a complete fraud?
• Was the seer stone a fake?
• How does a "super faith" person remain w/ all of what you have listed? Other than the Lord telling them to stay...
• I think there is more smoke and more mirrors than we even imagine.

cwass, praying for your niece.

[Cruiserdude]

Very conservative politically.
Very conservative religiously.
Very conservative spiritually.
Very conservative doctrinally.
Very active church members.
Faithful. Smart. Well educated.
High incomes earners.
All critical thinkers.
They see the hypocrisy.
If the church can fool our ward members, they can fool the church.
Book of Abraham fraud.
Peep Stone in a hat translation fake.
Super faithful people. Super spiritual.
Super informed. None of them are deceived by the smoke and mirrors.

Not to nitpick this too much... but...
• Is Conservative a good thing these days? Republicans are not conservative.
• Is being spiritually conservative a good thing?
• How about doctrinally conservative?
• What does an active church member mean? To be active, in many regards, suggests you do what the church tells you.
• Smart and well-educated can be good, but are they willing to be vocal about the apostate nature of the church?
• High-income, again, can be good, but not a sign of righteousness.
• Are they critical thinkers... yet still pay their tithing, go to the temple, and sustain the brethren?
• Is the BoA a complete fraud?
• Why is a seer stone a fake?
• How does a "super faith" person remain w/ all of what you have listed? Other than the Lord telling them to stay...
• I think there is more smoke and more mirrors than we even imagine.

Conservative is a good thing. Republicans are not.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Conservative is a good thing. Republicans are not.

I guess it depends on which end of the spectrum you are coming from. The founding fathers were extremely liberal by the very nature of fighting against "existing views, conditions, or institutions." Jesus was a liberal per the Law of Moses. The pendulum swings back and forth along the conservative/liberal viewpoint.

Look at the definition of the words. From a constitutional standpoint, I think conservatism is a good thing, to hold to the original intent of the founding documents.

Conservative : of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism
b Conservative : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism: such as
(1) : of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions
(2) : PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE
2 a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : TRADITIONAL
3 Conservative : of, relating to, or practicing Conservative Judaism

Liberal

1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts
b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED
a liberal giver
b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way
c : AMPLE, FULL
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS
4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE
5 : BROAD-MINDED especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism
b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism
especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

[SimpleSaint]

How does one even send a letter to the Salt Lake leadership? What email address or physical address?

I'd like to know that too so I can write them a nice long epistle

[BigFootCain]

More of us need to be speaking up and speaking out.

I know we often like to say that it won't make any difference, but the reality is that enough people start speaking up, it CAN and WILL impact the way the leadership chooses to act.

Keep in mind that we've ALREADY seen this happen with the LGBT issues, with mental health, and many other concerns. If it works for the left wing of the church, it can work for us too.

Speaking out helps.

This is my hope as well is that somehow we could get a critical mass of us to actually make the church acknowledge our legitimate questions and concerns. The problem is we are so spread out geographically, and when we are alone in our congregations (like the OP's niece), then we are easy pickings for disciplinary action. I could be wrong but I think they would have a lot harder time and bring on more negative publicity if they tried to discipline a large number of us as a collective group, than the lone sheep that are easy prey for wolves.

I take heart that I have found others out there feeling the same way, I just wish there was a way we could move forward in somehow banding together to bring our legitimate issues to the table and actually have them be acknowledged (even if they won't be accepted by the powers that be). I just don't know how that could be possible.

[BigFootCain]

Asking for prayers for my niece. Mother of several small children.

After conference she wrote a letter to the salt lake leadership expressing her concerns about what's going on in the church. She received a call from her stake president today asking to meet tomorrow night.

She says she feels alone with no one thinking like her in her ward. Pray for her and that her testimony will shine bright...if she goes through with the meeting that she will have the strength.

Do you think she prepared to make a decision when they take a hard stance? If she doesn't back down I think she will face discipline. If she doesn't do as they tell her to get back on the path they will probably go to the next step. I'm not saying you should tell her this will happen. Good for her for taking a stand! To all the people I've heard suggest writing letters to fix things this is what happens. Why doesn't the church just respond rather than involve the SP? I pray that her SP gives her his blessing and tells her to carry on in faith. Have you told her about this forum? She would get support from many here.

She has recently been made aware of the forum. I'm so proud of her for standing up. I'm not communicating with her directly....I'm 25+ years older than her but my wife has tried to be there for her. I don't know if she has any idea what she is in for.

I wrote a letter simply giving the names of people that were vaccine injured that are in my circle and members of the church. Haven't heard back. I got permission to use these peoples names in the letter with two of them being on the high council. Sent to my bishop, stake President and another prominent person. I just want them to know that there are hurting people that the church is ignoring. The church is losing total moral authority by ignoring these people. Now they have a list of names that will corroborate my story. So kick me out now...

Please let her know that many of us on this forum are praying for and supporting her for her bravery. She should receive all the encouragement and strength we can lend her for taking a stand and speaking up. If I was in a similar situation I would feel empowered and strengthened simply knowing that there were others out there I didn't know personally, but who were aware of my taking a stand and were rooting for me. Your niece will be in my prayers this evening. Brave young mother. I think she epitomizes what Julie B. Beck shared in her based GC talk "Mothers who know". Your niece sounds like she fits the bill as a mother that knows, in so many ways.

[Reluctant Watchman]

More of us need to be speaking up and speaking out.

I know we often like to say that it won't make any difference, but the reality is that enough people start speaking up, it CAN and WILL impact the way the leadership chooses to act.

Keep in mind that we've ALREADY seen this happen with the LGBT issues, with mental health, and many other concerns. If it works for the left wing of the church, it can work for us too.

Speaking out helps.

This is my hope as well is that somehow we could get a critical mass of us to actually make the church acknowledge our legitimate questions and concerns. The problem is we are so spread out geographically, and when we are alone in our congregations (like the OP's niece), then we are easy pickings for disciplinary action. I could be wrong but I think they would have a lot harder time and bring on more negative publicity if they tried to discipline a large number of us as a collective group, than the lone sheep that are easy prey for wolves.

I take heart that I have found others out there feeling the same way, I just wish there was a way we could move forward in somehow banding together to bring our legitimate issues to the table and actually have them be acknowledged (even if they won't be accepted by the powers that be). I just don't know how that could be possible.

Many are “banding” together, just not under the oppressive umbrella of the church.

[Telavian]

At first it is very scary, however after a while it is actually thrilling. You understand that the leaders have no power over you. You realize that the chains are imaginary.
It just takes one brave person to stand up and be the first, then others will follow.

I have opposed in my ward and stake conferences and was the only one. However I knew others were on the fence. Eventually some will come around.
"Rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the Spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you"

[tmac]

More of us need to be speaking up and speaking out.

I know we often like to say that it won't make any difference, but the reality is that enough people start speaking up, it CAN and WILL impact the way the leadership chooses to act.

Keep in mind that we've ALREADY seen this happen with the LGBT issues, with mental health, and many other concerns. If it works for the left wing of the church, it can work for us too.

Speaking out helps.

This is my hope as well is that somehow we could get a critical mass of us to actually make the church acknowledge our legitimate questions and concerns. The problem is we are so spread out geographically, and when we are alone in our congregations (like the OP's niece), then we are easy pickings for disciplinary action. I could be wrong but I think they would have a lot harder time and bring on more negative publicity if they tried to discipline a large number of us as a collective group, than the lone sheep that are easy prey for wolves.

I take heart that I have found others out there feeling the same way, I just wish there was a way we could move forward in somehow banding together to bring our legitimate issues to the table and actually have them be acknowledged (even if they won't be accepted by the powers that be). I just don't know how that could be possible.

Many are “banding” together, just not under the oppressive umbrella of the church.

Curious: who is “banding together,” and how are you/they doing it?

[Reluctant Watchman]

Curious: who is “banding together,” and how are you/they doing it?

For one, many are striving to pull away from the false doctrines of the church. That includes many of us on the forum, but I think the effort is much, much bigger than LDSFF, we are a drop in the bucket.

I know many people who are visiting in person, they are having church together, and they are worshipping the Lord. We do this as a family. We even know people who are moving to like-minded communities. In the past few years, we've probably had 100 different people in our home. The cumulative conversations and emails I've had with people are in the hundreds.

[JohnnyL]

Asking for prayers for my niece. Mother of several small children.

After conference she wrote a letter to the salt lake leadership expressing her concerns about what's going on in the church. She received a call from her stake president today asking to meet tomorrow night.

She says she feels alone with no one thinking like her in her ward. Pray for her and that her testimony will shine bright...if she goes through with the meeting that she will have the strength.

Do you think she prepared to make a decision when they take a hard stance? If she doesn't back down I think she will face discipline. If she doesn't do as they tell her to get back on the path they will probably go to the next step. I'm not saying you should tell her this will happen. Good for her for taking a stand! To all the people I've heard suggest writing letters to fix things this is what happens. Why doesn't the church just respond rather than involve the SP? I pray that her SP gives her his blessing and tells her to carry on in faith. Have you told her about this forum? She would get support from many here.

Not always.

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Without knowing the content of the letter, it's hard to say much.

[JohnnyL]

How does one even send a letter to the Salt Lake leadership? What email address or physical address?

The address that is officially listed is 50 E. North Temple, SLC, UT 84150 but some have offices in the same building is the lawyers at 50 E. South Temple. Encylopedia.com and Quora, both list Oaks and Nelson's address as 47 E. South Temple.

If you address it to one of the 15, and put "First Presidency" or "Quorum of the Twelve Apostles" as appropriate, I'm guessing it should reach them even with a not-perfectly-correct address.