Rob Smith creating an official ministry now?

[Silver Pie]

I don't know Rob, other than I read his book about the setting for doctrine the commandments of men. It was a great book and I really appreciated it. He's just a man and I don't get the sense that he's setting himself above or apart from Christ. But then again, I don't agree at all with a few of the ideas he's blogged about (snippets posts here on the forum).

I agree. It was a good book. There was another book he wrote that was also good. If I knew zero about his views on women etc., I would think differently about him. But I would still recognize the red flag of "God said to give me money."

[Silver Pie]

I would encourage you to begin to believe more that you are righteous through Christ, and as you believe that you will begin to act accordingly. As Paul says in Romans 12:4-14 we are all the body of Christ and ought not to think of ourselves too highly- each has different talents. The hand can't say it is better than the arm just because it grabs things, when the arm is what helps it move- though hte hand gets the attention, the arm is still necessary. Though the feet hit the ground, the back is necessary for the leg to properly run. In short stop comparing yourself to him and to others and just live up to what Christ says you can be- because God is helping you and desires you to be there, it is why Jesus came down, to restore you into proper relationsip with the Father, removing our sin, was just part of that process. Now it is up to you to believe. Romans 12:3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. What does that mean? Ephesians 2:9 8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life. Your faith comes from God by yielding- it all comes from God- so our "measure" of faith doesn't make one person "better" than another at all.

Very well said. It is Christ that makes us "good". All of us are wicked losers without the Lord.

[Silver Pie]

I don’t think you were taking shots at Rob.

I'm glad, because I wasn't. Perhaps I wouldn't be so vocal, but I'm hoping that if I am, he heeds the danger zone he's entering by saying God told him to ask for donations. I may not think much of him as a man, but I still think his soul is valuable.

I DO think Sean Henry was being disingenuous and intentionally trying to poison the well by trying to associate Rob with other’s unsavory behavior. That is wrong and unbecoming of one who claims greater light and knowledge as Sean Henry claims.

You're probably right. It isn't a joke I would make about Rob. I don't think he's depraved. I thought the joke was funny because I thought it was ridiculous to think Rob and that man had anything in common.

[Silver Pie]

Not a single person is mocking him or criticizing him. We were focusing on the idea that he is going to create a website with badges, levels, special access, and start taking donations. If the LDS church did this then 99% of the people here would say the exact same things about it.

This is true, evidenced by the thousands of posts here about the LDS Church doing things that seem off or like priestcrafts.

Please lighten up.

I think someone's buttons got pushed. My experience is that we get furious if we feel we are on shaky ground. We may not admit that, even to ourselves. To liken critical thinking to crucifying Christ shows me that the poster might very well be afraid.

I used to follow Rob very closely and thought of him as having a special connection to God. I however changed my opinion when I realized that he is actually wrong about many things and won't even consider it. It is always his way or the highway. Rob is very dedicated to what he thinks which is admirable. However that doesn't make it true, just because he really believes it to be so.

The more we want something to be true, the more we focus on it to the exclusion of everything else.

Yes, pretty much my views.

[Silver Pie]

The problem I have with someone coming on here and saying we'd crucify Christ when we look at Rob and discard him as a teacher for us, or see the "God told me to ask for donations" as the red flag it is in light of the fact that it's religion he's selling is that I was raised by the LDS Church to believe I had to obey every man in the LDS Church because he was a man and I was a woman (or teenager, when I was young).

It was a hard-won fight to learn to discard some man's claims because he had "the priesthood" or said some things that seemed like it came from God. It was Denver who preached against that over and over in the 10 lectures, and I believed him to the point that I was freed from my previous mindset. So, even though some may consider me hostile, I will not believe Rob just because some of what he has said in the past sounded good. I will not believe Rob when I know he didn't treat his wife nicely (hopefully, that has changed in the last few years), yet still wants several wives. I will not believe Rob when I know he is not open to learning that he might be wrong about some things.

[Telavian]

Crucify him, crucify him! .... you ought to be ashamed! If you live a better life than him, then you can say something, if not, shut up! His life is nothing but exemplary! He points to Jesus. He teaches truth. Because of his teachings, I am a better person today and want to be more better.

I once thought "@#$#%@!" (about him) and immediately I heard a reprimand: "that's exactly what they said to and about Jesus in His time" and I was ashamed. I can not walk away from this thread and not stand up for him. He is a better person than me!

Exemplary?

Rob has written books, blog posts, and what else? People hold him up as some kind of prophet, yet it only shows their own lack of connection to God.
I am not disparaging Rob in the slightest, just pointing out that he has done nothing to yield such a special title as "prophet".

One thing that Rob has done for me is show me that I don't need Rob. There is nothing that he can say or do that I need. God is capable of speaking to me just the same as he does to Rob.

When I was learning the truth about the LDS church, I found Rob's book "Teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men" and glommed on to him. I listened to his material and became enamored with him and his philosophy. Over time though I realized that God can speak to me also. God is everywhere and in all things. There is nothing that doesn't testify of God.

I love what Rob is doing and am very thankful for his efforts. He has a great work to do just like all of us.

[Silver Pie]

Over time though I realized that God can speak to me also. God is everywhere and in all things. There is nothing that doesn't testify of God.

That is what I have learned, also.

"No one need say, 'Know ye the Lord,' because they will all know him."

I no longer trust any organized religion (I think they were all created by devils with the intent to steal people's souls and money), and I no longer believe that any man stands between God and me. Jesus is the mediator, not some self-proclaimed prophet (I am speaking generally-not talking about Rob here); not even a real messenger from God stands between God and me.

Anyone can say something that the Spirit will point out is a message to me. I've seen it in posts I read here. I've seen it in the words of random strangers or friends or family members. I've seen it in books I felt prompted to read or buy. People can say something we need to hear, but that absolutely does not mean we are to follow them or hold them up as special - or buy their products, or donate money to them.

[An Eye Single]

Rob got angry and posted a response to this thread.
http://upwardthought.blogspot.com/2023/ ... ldsff.html

I agree that many talk about things and do very little. Whether it is or is not priestcraft is a very challenging line to draw. In some cases it is okay to get paid for a ministry however in most cases it is not.

His response though is essentially saying that he sincerely believes what he teaches so it is okay. This ties into his life philosophy that he does what he thinks Christ would in his spot. I think this is generally a true principle, however it can very easily devolve into a very destructive feedback loop. We have seen this numerous times throughout history. Many have done horrendous things simply because they thought they were "doing good" or acting according to God's will.

The iron rod in Nephi's vision was the word of God. While this can certainly be personal revelation or direct words in a visitation, I think it should always be thought of as the scriptures. If we don't have a firm foundation then we are literally "tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness". This is even if they are very well meaning.

I don't see any indication that his response to this thread is one of anger. Lots of assumptions and speculations in this thread, too.

Like Marc, I do not find any anger in Rob’s recent blogpost about the conversation here on LDSFF. I also agree with Marc about the amount of assumptions and speculation in this thread. There seem to be a lot, given the amount needed in order for people to say some of the things that have been said.

I wonder if anyone has truly put John 7:16-17 to the test in regards to the principles that Rob has laid out in his books. He has spoken at length about the need to repent by forsaking all sin and to always do what you believe God would do in your place. Has anyone here done that?

With everything that has been said about Rob and the things he is teaching and doing, I have yet to hear anyone say the one thing that should make anyone else consider rejecting this change in his ministry. I haven’t heard anyone say that they have truly repented, gone on to maintain that state of sinlessness (which the scriptures teach is possible), and fail to experience the outpouring of the Spirit and relationship with Christ that the scriptures promise as a result.

I have done those things, and I have experienced the most amazing things as a result—an increased understanding of the scriptures, an increased understanding of the gospel, the ministering of angels, miracles, and the opportunity to partner with God in bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of man in ways that I never could have believed possible had I not experienced it myself.

I have had experiences with the Savior that have caused me to know him in the most beautifully intimate ways.

That it is possible to live according to everything we know about God has been a belief I have had all of my life and a practice that has yielded the best fruit.

Say what you will about Rob or the way in which he does things, but it doesn’t really matter unless you can also say that you have honestly lived the things that he is teaching and failed to get the same result.

“16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” (John 7)

[Wolfwoman]

Maybe I’m simple minded. And live a boring life. But how would Jesus live my life if he were here? I don’t know. Good question. Would he go to my job every day (M-F)? I hope so. I need to pay the bills. Would he go grocery shopping and prepare food for my family? I hope so because we need to eat. Maybe he wouldn’t waste time chatting on the forum, so there’s that. I guess I could repent of that if it’s not right. After that, there’s not much else to my life. Church callings and the time required there. I don’t have a ministry, that I know of. Am I supposed to? In Rob’s case, he believes Jesus would do all these YouTube videos if he was here? Maybe he would. I don’t know. Am I overthinking this? Or under thinking this?

[Atrasado]

I, too, really thought highly of Rob Smith. Lately, though, I have noticed the following things about Rob Smith:

1. He is a very prickly person. He might be the prickliest person I've ever met, and I'm not so young anymore.
2. He has told me things that aren't true. For instance, he told me that D&C 101 is a conditional prophecy, and it isn't.
3. There are things he preaches which sound an awful lot like a group I've heard about operating in Idaho who have some unscriptural practices. One of those is the need for rebaptism whenever you commit a sin which I know Rob teaches.
4. Rob alludes to things and turns questions, meaning if you ask him something he won't give a straight answer. Get your own revelation he says; of course, you aren't holy enough to get you own revelation because you don't get up at three, watch all his videos, etc., etc.

Rob strikes me as sincere and driven. But he's also angry and rude, even to his own children which I've seen in a video. Sometimes, I am too and I have to repent. But I don't claim to be perfect.

I have learned some things from Rob. But I just don't get a peaceful feeling about him. There's an underlying aspect to him that is unsettling. He's too much, too full blast, too intense. I hope he's ok and I pray for his family.

[endlessQuestions]

Rob Smith is 2023’s Denver Snuffer, in my opinion.

You wouldn’t believe the number of people who have approached me over the last year with “secret revelations” and invitations to investigate different opportunities to worship with various groups of sincere and well-meaning people.

My observation is that these are all good people who are trying hard to do what’s right. But they’re not teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, as far as I can discern, and they lack authority, inasmuch as I can tell.

Buyer beware.

[Telavian]

I, too, really thought highly of Rob Smith. Lately, though, I have noticed the following things about Rob Smith:

1. He is a very prickly person. He might be the prickliest person I've ever met, and I'm not so young anymore.
2. He has told me things that aren't true. For instance, he told me that D&C 101 is a conditional prophecy, and it isn't.
3. There are things he preaches which sound an awful lot like a group I've heard about operating in Idaho who have some unscriptural practices. One of those is the need for rebaptism whenever you commit a sin which I know Rob teaches.
4. Rob alludes to things and turns questions, meaning if you ask him something he won't give a straight answer. Get your own revelation he says; of course, you aren't holy enough to get you own revelation because you don't get up at three, watch all his videos, etc., etc.

Rob strikes me as sincere and driven. But he's also angry and rude, even to his own children which I've seen in a video. Sometimes, I am too and I have to repent. But I don't claim to be perfect.

I have learned some things from Rob. But I just don't get a peaceful feeling about him. There's an underlying aspect to him that is unsettling. He's too much, too full blast, too intense. I hope he's ok and I pray for his family.

This sums up my thoughts. I really think Rob is sincere, but that doesn't mean anything really.
Due to the nature of thoughts and feelings then we can easily convince ourselves of one thing or another. We also know that Satan is an active part of our lives and can deceive us also.

We should constantly look inwards and improve ourselves. I totally agree about that.

[Telavian]

Like Marc, I do not find any anger in Rob’s recent blogpost about the conversation here on LDSFF. I also agree with Marc about the amount of assumptions and speculation in this thread. There seem to be a lot, given the amount needed in order for people to say some of the things that have been said.

There were numerous grammatical errors and an overall negative tone which are not typical of his writing. It was overall accusatory.

Say what you will about Rob or the way in which he does things, but it doesn’t really matter unless you can also say that you have honestly lived the things that he is teaching and failed to get the same result.

This completely misses the point of the scriptures. Of course, God wants us to improve and be a better version of ourselves. However do you honestly think we have to be perfect (sinless) before we are accepted by God? Rob's overall message is that unless you are sinless then you are nothing. He has said more than once that there are only a few people on Earth that are acceptable to God, himself included. This of course could be true. However, it is completely disheartening if it is so.

I have spent 20 years now sacrificing for my wife and kids. Does that mean nothing to God?
I have sacrificed money and time to help others when I didn't have enough myself. Does that mean nothing to God?
I have spent countless hours search and pondering the scriptures. Does that mean nothing to God?
I have had visits from random people who have given me literal messages from God. Does that mean nothing to God?
I have tangibly felt the presence of heavenly people I couldn't see. Does that mean nothing to God?

I am honestly tired of Rob's negativity. I fully trust in Christ, who is my God, that he will take care of me if I serve him. If this turns out to be false and I am wrong, then I completely accept the consequences.

Was Lehi sinless when he was visited by Christ?
Was Joseph sinless when he was visited?
Was Moses sinless when he was visited?
Was Saul sinless when he was visited?

[Original_Intent]

I think Rob is sincere.
I also think that he walks the walk better than most. IDK his personal life, but he has put years into writing books and providing them at no charge and making videos with a few hundred subscribers. The videos I have seen seem to all be well thought out and presented. Even though he is just speaking without a script, he definitely has put a lot of thought and I would say gotten inspiration on the subjects he speaks on.

I don't agree with him on every detail, but as far as living as Christ would have us live (from what I have seen and interacted with him, he is in a VERY small group (that I am not part of) that I feel is doing an exemplary job, speaking his truth and losing his university position for doing so (reminds me in that regard of BroJones)

I think the intention behind his ministry is good, but I for one am waiting on more details. His donation page also I think that it raises red flags for almost everyone, I also do not think the aim is to raise money for him. that is something I guess for me I need to see the fruits of it.

[FrankOne]

I think someone's buttons got pushed. My experience is that we get furious if we feel we are on shaky ground. We may not admit that, even to ourselves. To liken critical thinking to crucifying Christ shows me that the poster might very well be afraid.

The more we want something to be true, the more we focus on it to the exclusion of everything else.

[/quote]

i love the words above. it would be effective to put these at the top of every thread and required reading before posting.

[Telavian]

I don't agree with him on every detail, but as far as living as Christ would have us live (from what I have seen and interacted with him, he is in a VERY small group (that I am not part of) that I feel is doing an exemplary job, speaking his truth and losing his university position for doing so (reminds me in that regard of BroJones)

Rob got fired because of the statements below. Everything has some truth to it however that doesn't make it true itself.

Women "lose value" as they get older. Therefore men should date women as close to 18 as possible.
This is false and overly simplifies the value of women. His wife is presumably older than 18 so is she no longer valuable?

“Your physical attractiveness is your most valuable asset in finding a husband,”
Are life skills not important? Should men marry attractive bimbos? I need a women that will work alongside me when the going gets tough, not a trophy wife.

"Women will always, for example, make decisions based on feelings rather than logic"
What about Esther? What about Ada Lovelace who is the mother of modern computing.

“If you are a man, any woman you marry will either be a mom or a daughter to you. If you are a woman, any man you marry will either be a dad or a son to you,”
Incest? What about equal partners? Is that not possible?

“In an ideal situation, the potential husband is fulfilling the role of father, the potential wife is fulfilling the role of daughter.”
What?

“You can’t be surprised at child sex trafficking when you believe that a 6 year old can choose whether they are a boy or a girl or a 14 year old girl can decide to have an abortion,”
This makes no sense. Kidnapping and forcing a child into sex work is the same as gender confusion?

"I’ve employed dozens of people of those currently 18-26 or so, and I could not have a lower opinion of these people."
Why is he teaching these people if he dislikes them so much?

“The fact is that one cannot both be a peaceful Muslim and a faithful Muslim. In other words, Muslims are only peaceful to the degree that they are not Muslims,”
This is frankly stupid. I had a business partner who was Muslim and was a very kind person. He sacrificed a lot to help others.

[larsenb]

Wow, is this ever an illuminating thread: Rob Smith, Phil Davis, and of course Denver Snuffers . . . . the 'remnant' movement. I thought the Phil Davis remark referred to Phil Davis, the prolific British actor; shows you how much know. This brings a lot into focus for naive me.

It seems to me, given that the Lord was instrumental in having the Book of Mormon produced via Joseph Smith, etc., etc., that any major adjustments of the Church established via their instrumentality, will have similar and fairly obvious power/visibility utilized to make those adjustments.

Not to detract from the critiques proffered by . . . . at least RS and DS.

[larsenb]

. . . . The more we want something to be true, the more we focus on it to the exclusion of everything else.

Good comment.

[larsenb]

I think Rob is sincere.
I also think that he walks the walk better than most. IDK his personal life, but he has put years into writing books and providing them at no charge and making videos with a few hundred subscribers. The videos I have seen seem to all be well thought out and presented. Even though he is just speaking without a script, he definitely has put a lot of thought and I would say gotten inspiration on the subjects he speaks on.

I don't agree with him on every detail, but as far as living as Christ would have us live (from what I have seen and interacted with him, he is in a VERY small group (that I am not part of) that I feel is doing an exemplary job, speaking his truth and losing his university position for doing so (reminds me in that regard of BroJones)

I think the intention behind his ministry is good, but I for one am waiting on more details. His donation page also I think that it raises red flags for almost everyone, I also do not think the aim is to raise money for him. that is something I guess for me I need to see the fruits of it.

What was his "university position" and where, if you don't mind saying.

[larsenb]

I don't agree with him on every detail, but as far as living as Christ would have us live (from what I have seen and interacted with him, he is in a VERY small group (that I am not part of) that I feel is doing an exemplary job, speaking his truth and losing his university position for doing so (reminds me in that regard of BroJones)

Rob got fired because of the statements below. Everything has some truth to it however that doesn't make it true itself.

Women "lose value" as they get older. Therefore men should date women as close to 18 as possible.
This is false and overly simplifies the value of women. His wife is presumably older than 18 so is she no longer valuable?

“Your physical attractiveness is your most valuable asset in finding a husband,”
Are life skills not important? Should men marry attractive bimbos? I need a women that will work alongside me when the going gets tough, not a trophy wife.

"Women will always, for example, make decisions based on feelings rather than logic"
What about Esther? What about Ada Lovelace who is the mother of modern computing.

“If you are a man, any woman you marry will either be a mom or a daughter to you. If you are a woman, any man you marry will either be a dad or a son to you,”
Incest? What about equal partners? Is that not possible?

“In an ideal situation, the potential husband is fulfilling the role of father, the potential wife is fulfilling the role of daughter.”
What?

“You can’t be surprised at child sex trafficking when you believe that a 6 year old can choose whether they are a boy or a girl or a 14 year old girl can decide to have an abortion,”
This makes no sense. Kidnapping and forcing a child into sex work is the same as gender confusion?

"I’ve employed dozens of people of those currently 18-26 or so, and I could not have a lower opinion of these people."
Why is he teaching these people if he dislikes them so much?

“The fact is that one cannot both be a peaceful Muslim and a faithful Muslim. In other words, Muslims are only peaceful to the degree that they are not Muslims,”
This is frankly stupid. I had a business partner who was Muslim and was a very kind person. He sacrificed a lot to help others.

Good grief!

[Telavian]

What was his "university position" and where, if you don't mind saying.

University of Montana. He was tenured at the time so he was likely an associate professor.

[larsenb]

What was his "university position" and where, if you don't mind saying.

University of Montana. He was tenured at the time so he was likely an associate professor.

Thanks. What field? Someone mentioned he was an engineer. Comments he allegedly made and got fired for, don't seem to be comments that an engineer would publicly make, unless he made them in his religious books/blogs, etc., and someone in his Department/University picked up on them.

[FrankOne]

I don't agree with him on every detail, but as far as living as Christ would have us live (from what I have seen and interacted with him, he is in a VERY small group (that I am not part of) that I feel is doing an exemplary job, speaking his truth and losing his university position for doing so (reminds me in that regard of BroJones)

Rob got fired because of the statements below. Everything has some truth to it however that doesn't make it true itself.

Women "lose value" as they get older. Therefore men should date women as close to 18 as possible.
This is false and overly simplifies the value of women. His wife is presumably older than 18 so is she no longer valuable?

“Your physical attractiveness is your most valuable asset in finding a husband,”
Are life skills not important? Should men marry attractive bimbos? I need a women that will work alongside me when the going gets tough, not a trophy wife.

"Women will always, for example, make decisions based on feelings rather than logic"
What about Esther? What about Ada Lovelace who is the mother of modern computing.

“If you are a man, any woman you marry will either be a mom or a daughter to you. If you are a woman, any man you marry will either be a dad or a son to you,”
Incest? What about equal partners? Is that not possible?

“In an ideal situation, the potential husband is fulfilling the role of father, the potential wife is fulfilling the role of daughter.”
What?

“You can’t be surprised at child sex trafficking when you believe that a 6 year old can choose whether they are a boy or a girl or a 14 year old girl can decide to have an abortion,”
This makes no sense. Kidnapping and forcing a child into sex work is the same as gender confusion?

"I’ve employed dozens of people of those currently 18-26 or so, and I could not have a lower opinion of these people."
Why is he teaching these people if he dislikes them so much?

“The fact is that one cannot both be a peaceful Muslim and a faithful Muslim. In other words, Muslims are only peaceful to the degree that they are not Muslims,”
This is frankly stupid. I had a business partner who was Muslim and was a very kind person. He sacrificed a lot to help others.

interesting quotes.

The interpretation of what he says depends on the person reading the words. Words are as enigmatic as egyptian hieroglyphs due to the myriad of perspectives of differing individuals. It's like people today, interpreting the words of Christ and seeing opposing concepts. It's like a scientist trying to explain the coefficient of refraction to a person that claims that things half submerged in water magically change shape.

We all see through a lens.

In general, his points are sound and that is why people follow him . .... and are a part of his new cult. Gold star on the forehead and 'you may pass on to greater light and knowledge'.

[Original_Intent]

I don't agree with him on every detail, but as far as living as Christ would have us live (from what I have seen and interacted with him, he is in a VERY small group (that I am not part of) that I feel is doing an exemplary job, speaking his truth and losing his university position for doing so (reminds me in that regard of BroJones)

Rob got fired because of the statements below. Everything has some truth to it however that doesn't make it true itself.

Women "lose value" as they get older. Therefore men should date women as close to 18 as possible.
This is false and overly simplifies the value of women. His wife is presumably older than 18 so is she no longer valuable?

“Your physical attractiveness is your most valuable asset in finding a husband,”
Are life skills not important? Should men marry attractive bimbos? I need a women that will work alongside me when the going gets tough, not a trophy wife.

"Women will always, for example, make decisions based on feelings rather than logic"
What about Esther? What about Ada Lovelace who is the mother of modern computing.

“If you are a man, any woman you marry will either be a mom or a daughter to you. If you are a woman, any man you marry will either be a dad or a son to you,”
Incest? What about equal partners? Is that not possible?

“In an ideal situation, the potential husband is fulfilling the role of father, the potential wife is fulfilling the role of daughter.”
What?

“You can’t be surprised at child sex trafficking when you believe that a 6 year old can choose whether they are a boy or a girl or a 14 year old girl can decide to have an abortion,”
This makes no sense. Kidnapping and forcing a child into sex work is the same as gender confusion?

"I’ve employed dozens of people of those currently 18-26 or so, and I could not have a lower opinion of these people."
Why is he teaching these people if he dislikes them so much?

“The fact is that one cannot both be a peaceful Muslim and a faithful Muslim. In other words, Muslims are only peaceful to the degree that they are not Muslims,”
This is frankly stupid. I had a business partner who was Muslim and was a very kind person. He sacrificed a lot to help others.

interesting quotes.

The interpretation of what he says depends on the person reading the words. Words are as enigmatic as egyptian hieroglyphs due to the myriad of perspectives of differing individuals. It's like people today, interpreting the words of Christ and seeing opposing concepts. It's like a scientist trying to explain the coefficient of refraction to a person that claims that things half submerged in water magically change shape.

We all see through a lens.

In general, his points are sound and that is why people follow him . .... and are a part of his new cult. Gold star on the forehead and 'you may pass on to greater light and knowledge'.

I follow him like I follow you, FrankOne. And perhaps a dozen or so others here. Very good signal to noise ratio, and the signal is not only pretty clear but helpful.

[Telavian]

What was his "university position" and where, if you don't mind saying.

University of Montana. He was tenured at the time so he was likely an associate professor.

Thanks. What field? Someone mentioned he was an engineer. Comments he allegedly made and got fired for, don't seem to be comments that an engineer would publicly make, unless he made them in his religious books/blogs, etc., and someone in his Department/University picked up on them.

Computer Science. It was his personal blog. He has since took all the articles down.