DEI coming to Relief Society??

[Christianlee]

I'm not sure she said that the proclamation was wrong. Normally there is more subtlety to it than that.

What I did hear her say is that RMN's primary concern is for the homosexuals, and that he has stated that they weep with the homosexuals and that they are constantly supplicating the Lord to figure out what to do.

I think it is clear that she believes that RMN would like to move the church more towards full homosexual acceptance as rapidly as possible, but finds himself constrained due to church culture and the damage moving too quickly would cause. People will accept small changes, but will revolt at large ones.

When you consider the ideology and the resume of a lot of people being elevated into leadership, and when you consider the public statements by church leaders and the content in church publications and websites, and when you consider the changes that have been occurring at church colleges both in teaching and in policy, it is difficult to disagree with her. It is clear to me that the RMN believes that modern progressive critical theory is part of Christianity and mormonism.

Why are they supplicating the Lord on a settled matter of morality? The LGBTQ movement completely annihilates the LDS understanding of Eternal Marriage. Is it a concern for their own children who have drifted into the gay lifestyle?

Clearly they are supplicating in the hopes of getting a blacks and the priesthood type revelation. Once received (which simply means all "feel good" about the idea), it will be presented as a time of joy and rejoicing, that the poor, oppressed homosexuals can now finally be accepted to the station to which God created them. We will be taught that we don't know why they were excluded, but that we shouldn't think much about that and simply rejoice. Any past statements condemning homosexuality will be considered bigoted ignorance.

As far as settle morality goes, there is no such thing when you have an organization set up in such a way that whatever the CEO says becomes the new truth because he is more important than any who existed previously. For the most part, our leaders are not scriptorians or wielders of priesthood power. They are simply generally good and nice men who have been successful in the world. They will not check what is happening on any sort of spiritual grounds.

There are many who say that the church will never cross certain lines because it wouldn't make any sense doctrinally. Anyone who actually believes this is either naive or ignorant. There is no doctrine that cannot be changed and explained away when the center of belief is the office of "prophet" rather than true christian principles.

The Great Mormon Apostasy. Blacks were always promised they would eventually receive the priesthood. There has never been the same promise to accept sodomy.

[Christianlee]

Im not complaining I got bigger problems in my own home. i wish her well and continue to support Gods church no matter which imperfect person holds a calling. One day when i have repented and am worthy enough I may even be called to serve in a high position, then I would really have to clean up my vocabulary and refrain from calling everyone crybabys.

Will you accept the normalization of sodomy in the Mormon Church?

[Serragon]

Why are they supplicating the Lord on a settled matter of morality? The LGBTQ movement completely annihilates the LDS understanding of Eternal Marriage. Is it a concern for their own children who have drifted into the gay lifestyle?

Clearly they are supplicating in the hopes of getting a blacks and the priesthood type revelation. Once received (which simply means all "feel good" about the idea), it will be presented as a time of joy and rejoicing, that the poor, oppressed homosexuals can now finally be accepted to the station to which God created them. We will be taught that we don't know why they were excluded, but that we shouldn't think much about that and simply rejoice. Any past statements condemning homosexuality will be considered bigoted ignorance.

As far as settle morality goes, there is no such thing when you have an organization set up in such a way that whatever the CEO says becomes the new truth because he is more important than any who existed previously. For the most part, our leaders are not scriptorians or wielders of priesthood power. They are simply generally good and nice men who have been successful in the world. They will not check what is happening on any sort of spiritual grounds.

There are many who say that the church will never cross certain lines because it wouldn't make any sense doctrinally. Anyone who actually believes this is either naive or ignorant. There is no doctrine that cannot be changed and explained away when the center of belief is the office of "prophet" rather than true christian principles.

The Great Mormon Apostasy. Blacks were always promised they would eventually receive the priesthood. There has never been the same promise to accept sodomy.

I am not arguing with you. I am simply predicting how things will go.

Whether blacks should have had the priesthood or not is irrelevant. The pattern has been established that something that was considered unchangeable doctrine by most members and was preached as such by all modern prophets since Brigham was done away with, and now anyone who still believes those teachings is ostracized and treated as filth. Polygamy is similar. In 30 years, anyone who dares suggest publicy that homosexuality is sinful and an abomination will be treated similarly.

[Christianlee]

Clearly they are supplicating in the hopes of getting a blacks and the priesthood type revelation. Once received (which simply means all "feel good" about the idea), it will be presented as a time of joy and rejoicing, that the poor, oppressed homosexuals can now finally be accepted to the station to which God created them. We will be taught that we don't know why they were excluded, but that we shouldn't think much about that and simply rejoice. Any past statements condemning homosexuality will be considered bigoted ignorance.

As far as settle morality goes, there is no such thing when you have an organization set up in such a way that whatever the CEO says becomes the new truth because he is more important than any who existed previously. For the most part, our leaders are not scriptorians or wielders of priesthood power. They are simply generally good and nice men who have been successful in the world. They will not check what is happening on any sort of spiritual grounds.

There are many who say that the church will never cross certain lines because it wouldn't make any sense doctrinally. Anyone who actually believes this is either naive or ignorant. There is no doctrine that cannot be changed and explained away when the center of belief is the office of "prophet" rather than true christian principles.

The Great Mormon Apostasy. Blacks were always promised they would eventually receive the priesthood. There has never been the same promise to accept sodomy.

I am not arguing with you. I am simply predicting how things will go.

Whether blacks should have had the priesthood or not is irrelevant. The pattern has been established that something that was considered unchangeable doctrine by most members and was preached as such by all modern prophets since Brigham was done away with, and now anyone who still believes those teachings is ostracized and treated as filth. Polygamy is similar. In 30 years, anyone who dares suggest publicy that homosexuality is sinful and an abomination will be treated similarly.

Acceptance of homosexuality seems to destroy churches. I do not see how the Mormon Church, which is already contracting, will be any different. It is already just a corporation with a failing church attached to it. True believers will be forced underground into house churches.

[Reluctant Watchman]

One day when i have repented and am worthy enough I may even be called to serve in a high position, then I would really have to clean up my vocabulary and refrain from calling everyone crybabys.

God commissions his servants, not men. FYI. You may be living far below your birthright.

[randyps]

Im not complaining I got bigger problems in my own home. i wish her well and continue to support Gods church no matter which imperfect person holds a calling. One day when i have repented and am worthy enough I may even be called to serve in a high position, then I would really have to clean up my vocabulary and refrain from calling everyone crybabys.

Will you accept the normalization of sodomy in the Mormon Church?

Is it normal to have injured, crippled and dying patients in a hospital?
Well, it should be normal to have imperfect, sinning people in a church.

...it probably is normal for some mormons in their private bedrooms, I hope they are repenting as the gospel of Jesus Christ teaches them to.

[Christianlee]

Im not complaining I got bigger problems in my own home. i wish her well and continue to support Gods church no matter which imperfect person holds a calling. One day when i have repented and am worthy enough I may even be called to serve in a high position, then I would really have to clean up my vocabulary and refrain from calling everyone crybabys.

Will you accept the normalization of sodomy in the Mormon Church?

Is it normal to have injured, crippled and dying patients in a hospital?
Well, it should be normal to have imperfect, sinning people in a church.

...it probably is normal for some mormons in their private bedrooms, I hope they are repenting as the gospel of Jesus Christ teaches them to.

The Church will say they don’t need to repent.

[randyps]

Will you accept the normalization of sodomy in the Mormon Church?

Is it normal to have injured, crippled and dying patients in a hospital?
Well, it should be normal to have imperfect, sinning people in a church.

...it probably is normal for some mormons in their private bedrooms, I hope they are repenting as the gospel of Jesus Christ teaches them to.

The Church will say they don’t need to repent.

You are too concerned with what other men say and do. Until you have a personal relationship with God and our savior Jesus Christ you will always be disappointed with their church on earth that is run by man.

ThinkCelestial

[spiritMan]

Is it normal to have injured, crippled and dying patients in a hospital?
Well, it should be normal to have imperfect, sinning people in a church.

...it probably is normal for some mormons in their private bedrooms, I hope they are repenting as the gospel of Jesus Christ teaches them to.

The Church will say they don’t need to repent.

You are too concerned with what other men say and do. Until you have a personal relationship with God and our savior Jesus Christ you will always be disappointed with their church on earth that is run by man.

ThinkCelestial

That's all stylish... except what happens when your children are taught it's no big deal?

Clearly Thinking Celestial is all about what is best for the individual not what is best for the community.

[JuneBug12000]

is there a specific time in the video for her family proclamation bs? ( i started listening -- can't -- don"t want her voice in my head - let alone her voice/perspective messing with minds of my YW age granddaughters...)
thank you

It's kinda throughout. This is a LGBTQ audience. I tried to find a sample spot this morning. Around 37 minute for like 5+minutes, if I remember right.

I'm not sure she said that the proclamation was wrong. Normally there is more subtlety to it than that.

What I did hear her say is that RMN's primary concern is for the homosexuals, and that he has stated that they weep with the homosexuals and that they are constantly supplicating the Lord to figure out what to do.

I think it is clear that she believes that RMN would like to move the church more towards full homosexual acceptance as rapidly as possible, but finds himself constrained due to church culture and the damage moving too quickly would cause. People will accept small changes, but will revolt at large ones.

When you consider the ideology and the resume of a lot of people being elevated into leadership, and when you consider the public statements by church leaders and the content in church publications and websites, and when you consider the changes that have been occurring at church colleges both in teaching and in policy, it is difficult to disagree with her. It is clear to me that the RMN believes that modern progressive critical theory is part of Christianity and mormonism.

You're right. I should have been more clear. She speaks is against the principles in the Family Proclamation and has an obsession with the word messy. Like we are taking about an oopsy a baby made instead of principles of eternal significance. She clearly believes that the time will come when all those who believe it is wrong will be able to understand it is right.

It has been awhile since I saw that video.

[Christianlee]

It's kinda throughout. This is a LGBTQ audience. I tried to find a sample spot this morning. Around 37 minute for like 5+minutes, if I remember right.

I'm not sure she said that the proclamation was wrong. Normally there is more subtlety to it than that.

What I did hear her say is that RMN's primary concern is for the homosexuals, and that he has stated that they weep with the homosexuals and that they are constantly supplicating the Lord to figure out what to do.

I think it is clear that she believes that RMN would like to move the church more towards full homosexual acceptance as rapidly as possible, but finds himself constrained due to church culture and the damage moving too quickly would cause. People will accept small changes, but will revolt at large ones.

When you consider the ideology and the resume of a lot of people being elevated into leadership, and when you consider the public statements by church leaders and the content in church publications and websites, and when you consider the changes that have been occurring at church colleges both in teaching and in policy, it is difficult to disagree with her. It is clear to me that the RMN believes that modern progressive critical theory is part of Christianity and mormonism.

You're right. I should have been more clear. She speaks is against the principles in the Family Proclamation and has an obsession with the word messy. Like we are taking about an oopsy a baby made instead of principles of eternal significance. She clearly believes that the time will come when all those who believe it is wrong will be able to understand it is right.

It has been awhile since I saw that video.

The Proclamation should have been canonized.

[Comanchero]

Freeman speaks as though President Nelson is trying to get clarity from God. The problem is that President Nelson has many times stated the doctrine. There is nothing more that Freeman is doing than giving a false hope to the queer crowd. Instead of telling them "the natural man is an enemy to God... ", she validates their misunderstanding. Nelson couldn't be clearer.

Why is she YW's President?? I don't know. Why did Christ call Judas? Could be similar reasons. The women of the church have had some terrible leaders and the bad fruit is making itself manifest.

[Serragon]

Is it normal to have injured, crippled and dying patients in a hospital?
Well, it should be normal to have imperfect, sinning people in a church.

...it probably is normal for some mormons in their private bedrooms, I hope they are repenting as the gospel of Jesus Christ teaches them to.

The Church will say they don’t need to repent.

You are too concerned with what other men say and do. Until you have a personal relationship with God and our savior Jesus Christ you will always be disappointed with their church on earth that is run by man.

ThinkCelestial

I see. There was no need for a restoration then. When Joseph wanted to know which church was correct, he was clearly too concerned with what others say and do.

It seems Josephs question is just as pertinent today as it was to him, and I'm not certain that the answer would be any different.

[Christianlee]

Freeman speaks as though President Nelson is trying to get clarity from God. The problem is that President Nelson has many times stated the doctrine. There is nothing more that Freeman is doing than giving a false hope to the queer crowd. Instead of telling them "the natural man is an enemy to God... ", she validates their misunderstanding. Nelson couldn't be clearer.

Why is she YW's President?? I don't know. Why did Christ call Judas? Could be similar reasons. The women of the church have had some terrible leaders and the bad fruit is making itself manifest.

Wouldn’t Nelson have vetted that decision? I have to believe the leaders knew what she was saying. Her call is their stamp of approval. Nelson probably is not ready to come out.

[JuneBug12000]

Freeman speaks as though President Nelson is trying to get clarity from God. The problem is that President Nelson has many times stated the doctrine. There is nothing more that Freeman is doing than giving a false hope to the queer crowd. Instead of telling them "the natural man is an enemy to God... ", she validates their misunderstanding. Nelson couldn't be clearer.

Why is she YW's President?? I don't know. Why did Christ call Judas? Could be similar reasons. The women of the church have had some terrible leaders and the bad fruit is making itself manifest.

Wouldn’t Nelson have vetted that decision? I have to believe the leaders knew what she was saying. Her call is their stamp of approval. Nelson probably is not ready to come out.

I think Freeman was chosen because of her position on LGBTQ, not in spite of it. Same as the new RS DEI lady.

[Serragon]

Nelson couldn't be clearer.

Please state some of these statements that couldn't be clearer since RMN has been president. I personally don't remember any clear statements, but I would be very happy to be wrong. It would be great to use those very clear statements as a basis for changing the hearts and minds of our young people and the women of the church away from these worldly doctrines.

I do remember homosexuality being removed from the handbook as apsotasy. I do remember inviting homosexual choirs to sing on temple grounds. I do remember missionaries being allowed to be openly homosexual on their missions. I do remember being told by the Q15 that we could no longer exclude people based upon their lifestyle choices. I do remember people being allowed to actively advocate for temple sealings of homosexuals not being grounds for wittholding recommends.

But I don't remember any statements from RMN that "couldn't be clearer". In fact, clarity appears to be what is being actively avoided by our leadership so that everyone can feel secure in that their ideology is what is meant by "Think Celestial".

[Christianlee]

Nelson is as clear as Bergoglio. They obfuscate their positions in the name of welcomeness and kindness. Agenda 30 is very much on their minds.

[randyps]

The Church will say they don’t need to repent.

You are too concerned with what other men say and do. Until you have a personal relationship with God and our savior Jesus Christ you will always be disappointed with their church on earth that is run by man.

ThinkCelestial

I see. There was no need for a restoration then. When Joseph wanted to know which church was correct, he was clearly too concerned with what others say and do.

It seems Josephs question is just as pertinent today as it was to him, and I'm not certain that the answer would be any different.

Exactly, JS wanted to know what church to join so he relied on his personal relationship with God for an answer.

You do you, pray to God and if he tells you to start your own church, do it! Leave the LDS alone.

I highly doubt that God will tell anyone to leave the LDS church and then go complain about it on forums like a crybaby.
I prayed to God, he told me the restoration was completed and I didnt have to start my own church and he told me to stay in the LDS.

[Christianlee]

You are too concerned with what other men say and do. Until you have a personal relationship with God and our savior Jesus Christ you will always be disappointed with their church on earth that is run by man.

ThinkCelestial

I see. There was no need for a restoration then. When Joseph wanted to know which church was correct, he was clearly too concerned with what others say and do.

It seems Josephs question is just as pertinent today as it was to him, and I'm not certain that the answer would be any different.

Exactly, JS wanted to know what church to join so he relied on his personal relationship with God for an answer.

You do you, pray to God and if he tells you to start your own church, do it! Leave the LDS alone.

I highly doubt that God will tell anyone to leave the LDS church and then go complain about it on forums like a crybaby.
I prayed to God, he told me the restoration was completed and I didnt have to start my own church and he told me to stay in the LDS.

I don’t think it is too much to ask for the Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Lutherans, etc. to stand by the teachings in the scriptures regarding sodomites. The moral relativism we are experiencing needs to be opposed by Christian churches instead of embraced by them. They are shirking their duty. It is especially sad to see the LDS capitulating to the spirit of the age.

[Reluctant Watchman]

You are too concerned with what other men say and do. Until you have a personal relationship with God and our savior Jesus Christ you will always be disappointed with their church on earth that is run by man.

ThinkCelestial

I see. There was no need for a restoration then. When Joseph wanted to know which church was correct, he was clearly too concerned with what others say and do.

It seems Josephs question is just as pertinent today as it was to him, and I'm not certain that the answer would be any different.

Exactly, JS wanted to know what church to join so he relied on his personal relationship with God for an answer.

You do you, pray to God and if he tells you to start your own church, do it! Leave the LDS alone.

I highly doubt that God will tell anyone to leave the LDS church and then go complain about it on forums like a crybaby.
I prayed to God, he told me the restoration was completed and I didnt have to start my own church and he told me to stay in the LDS.

Yes, please don’t raise of voice of warning when your brothers and sisters are being spiritually abused.

[nephidentity]

The Proclamation should have been canonized.

I don't think the Proclamation will be an impediment. It says gender is an eternal characteristic, but it doesn't rule out accidents at the beginning of mortal life.

"Because we know that gender is such an essential and eternal characteristic, it is truly unfortunate that some people are assigned incorrectly at birth. But we can be thankful to live in a time when such errors, once they are discovered, can be corrected by a competent physician, after prayerfully counseling with one's leaders..." — First Presidency letter circa 2028

[Serragon]

I see. There was no need for a restoration then. When Joseph wanted to know which church was correct, he was clearly too concerned with what others say and do.

It seems Josephs question is just as pertinent today as it was to him, and I'm not certain that the answer would be any different.

Exactly, JS wanted to know what church to join so he relied on his personal relationship with God for an answer.

You do you, pray to God and if he tells you to start your own church, do it! Leave the LDS alone.

I highly doubt that God will tell anyone to leave the LDS church and then go complain about it on forums like a crybaby.
I prayed to God, he told me the restoration was completed and I didnt have to start my own church and he told me to stay in the LDS.

I don’t think it is too much to ask for the Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Lutherans, etc. to stand by yje teachings in the scriptures regarding sodomites. The moral relativism we are experiencing needs to be opposed by Christian churches instead of embraced by them. They are shirking their duty. It is especially. sad to see the LDS capitulating to the spirit of the age.

So as an active LDS member who has spent most of my adult life serving in this church, I am not supposed to be worrying or concerned about what the church is doing? That makes little sense.

I appreciate your faith and what God told you, and i appreciate and respect the repentance path you have been on. I too have not felt prompted to leave and still serve actively in church callings and ministering. I love this church. But it does not follow that I have faith that the current direction of the church is Godly, or that it isn't helping to reinforce wicked ideologies taught by the world. I know many kids who now believe in the evils of transgenderism and homosexuality precisely because they believe that the church is no longer against it and that Christianity is about not making any judgements about how anyone chooses to live their life (except imaginary racists of course).

I say this without any intent to offend, but perhaps you would be better advised to follow your own counsel and stop worrying about what others are saying about their church and "you do you". The double standard is quite striking. Some people simply can't let go of the church and pile on. But many of us are deeply tied to the church and are alarmed at the evils we see being implemented therein. I think it rather immature and petty to call them names and point out what you perceive to be the mote in their eye when yours is just as visible.

[randyps]

I see. There was no need for a restoration then. When Joseph wanted to know which church was correct, he was clearly too concerned with what others say and do.

It seems Josephs question is just as pertinent today as it was to him, and I'm not certain that the answer would be any different.

Exactly, JS wanted to know what church to join so he relied on his personal relationship with God for an answer.

You do you, pray to God and if he tells you to start your own church, do it! Leave the LDS alone.

I highly doubt that God will tell anyone to leave the LDS church and then go complain about it on forums like a crybaby.
I prayed to God, he told me the restoration was completed and I didnt have to start my own church and he told me to stay in the LDS.

I don’t think it is too much to ask for the Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Lutherans, etc. to stand by yje teachings in the scriptures regarding sodomites. The moral relativism we are experiencing needs to be opposed by Christian churches instead of embraced by them. They are shirking their duty. It is especially. sad to see the LDS capitulating to the spirit of the age.

The Restoration was all about restoring and continual restoration. We have a lesbian relief society president in my ward, She is married to another woman but not sexually active or she would have been removed from her calling. God is good!

[JuneBug12000]

Exactly, JS wanted to know what church to join so he relied on his personal relationship with God for an answer.

You do you, pray to God and if he tells you to start your own church, do it! Leave the LDS alone.

I highly doubt that God will tell anyone to leave the LDS church and then go complain about it on forums like a crybaby.
I prayed to God, he told me the restoration was completed and I didnt have to start my own church and he told me to stay in the LDS.

I don’t think it is too much to ask for the Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Lutherans, etc. to stand by yje teachings in the scriptures regarding sodomites. The moral relativism we are experiencing needs to be opposed by Christian churches instead of embraced by them. They are shirking their duty. It is especially. sad to see the LDS capitulating to the spirit of the age.

The Restoration was all about restoring and continual restoration. We have a lesbian relief society president in my ward, She is married to another woman but not sexually active or she would have been removed from her calling. God is good!

That is incorrect. The Restoration was about restoring the gospel of Jesus Christ because of a Great Apostasy from the restoration that took place when He came to Earth in the flesh. When the light shone in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not.

This is an example of the changes that have taken place since Joseph's day.

No one, even when I was a kid talked about continuing restoration. That is a new term for a new purpose.

Like calling the US Constitution a living document so that it can slowly be undone one principle at a time.

Amendments can be added, and there is a process for that, but it was not intended to change the purpose from light to dark or up to down.

God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Jesus Christ condemns adding to or taking from His doctrine. The sun -is not- dark at noon day, even though it was prophesied some would call it so.

The doctrine of the "chaste lesbian RS President" is false and just one step in creating a new Greater Apostasy.

[Dusty Wanderer]

Freeman speaks as though President Nelson is trying to get clarity from God. The problem is that President Nelson has many times stated the doctrine. There is nothing more that Freeman is doing than giving a false hope to the queer crowd. Instead of telling them "the natural man is an enemy to God... ", she validates their misunderstanding. Nelson couldn't be clearer.

Why is she YW's President?? I don't know. Why did Christ call Judas? Could be similar reasons. The women of the church have had some terrible leaders and the bad fruit is making itself manifest.

Wouldn’t Nelson have vetted that decision? I have to believe the leaders knew what she was saying. Her call is their stamp of approval. Nelson probably is not ready to come out.

I think Freeman was chosen because of her position on LGBTQ, not in spite of it. Same as the new RS DEI lady.

Spot on, JuneBug.

And not just her position, but the position of all her subscribers and followers, who would naturally reinforce the Church's image amongst those in the social media circles. This provides the hard data positive trend necessary to prove satisfactory compliance to their WEF obligations.

The more conservative member base is ignored because, generally, they spend much less time producing harvestable data; therefore, even if they're dissatisfied, they're not posting on social media about it, so it might as well not exist -- public image is their god.