DEI coming to Relief Society??

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JohnnyL
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4Joshua8 wrote: October 19th, 2023, 11:20 am
spiritMan wrote: October 19th, 2023, 11:11 am
JohnnyL wrote: October 19th, 2023, 9:43 am
We don't attend the "extras" when it's anything about SSA, so they're not getting taught anything wrong there.

If there is conflict, they know they are allowed to say or do anything within reason (walk out, openly contradict/ clarify, etc.). . . They've never had to.

Of course, if one has a whole bunch of apostate ideas, yeah, it's not going to be easy.
It's not just about extras... someone who is pro isn't going to be teaching proper principles in the regular meetings. They will avoid it.
They'll "soft teach" their values. They'll overemphasize God's "love" and compassion while conveniently leaving out His justice and unchanging truths, distorting the character of God while giving a false hope to the pro-sodomy-ites.

Children have current events called to mind as they think of how to apply teachings, and they are left with a distorted understanding of God's character, leaving them defenseless in the face of false teachings they're exposed to on a daily basis, other then to say "God is loving, welcoming, accepting, and never has any negativity about anything."

Battle for truth lost.

That's just one way they do it.
Well, many things have to be soft taught in many places, especially in Sunday School.

Not in Primary! We go full out and have better discussions in a year than in 10 years of weekly Sunday School, in general. I've told leaders I love Primary because I can teach things I could never teach in SS, and the children love to learn.

No leader said anything about my sacrament talk that was anti-"SSA-is-my-identity".

The Church has to tiptoe a very narrow line with all this stuff. There's a time, a way, and a place for everything, and that is a very strong consideration in this time.

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spiritMan wrote: October 19th, 2023, 11:11 am
JohnnyL wrote: October 19th, 2023, 9:43 am
spiritMan wrote: October 18th, 2023, 5:15 pm
Yeah good luck when I as a parent teach them one thing and the religion teaches them the opposite... that's exactly why the Church is no longer a place to bring your children, they will be taught the opposite of what the family values are---no thanks.

Of course the idiots in church say the Church is "home centered Church supported" ummm you morons when one group teaches their children one set of values and the other group teaches a different set of values and then those two groups come to church what are you going to get???

Conflict, one set of values will override the other set of values. It's obvious which set of values rules the day in the wicked LDS Church.
We don't attend the "extras" when it's anything about SSA, so they're not getting taught anything wrong there.

If there is conflict, they know they are allowed to say or do anything within reason (walk out, openly contradict/ clarify, etc.). . . They've never had to.

Of course, if one has a whole bunch of apostate ideas, yeah, it's not going to be easy.
It's not just about extras... someone who is pro isn't going to be teaching proper principles in the regular meetings. They will avoid it.
Well, Freeman sure avoided it a few years ago, lol. I hope and pray things will get better.

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JohnnyL wrote: October 19th, 2023, 9:44 am
Comanchero wrote: October 18th, 2023, 10:31 am
JohnnyL wrote: October 18th, 2023, 10:29 am
I haven't noticed one yet in my many years.
Eubanks.
Which GC talk of hers did you find disagreeable?
General Conference talks are filtered by the church prior to the talk being given (other than President Ballard). It wasn't at GC, it was at a women's conference at BYU full of Primary, YW, and RS presidents, teachers and advisors, spouses of SP's, Bishops etc. So much false doctrine was taught and nothing was corrected, in fact it was applauded. Terrible. Those in the audience go back to their homes and wards and unless they saw through it, they'll spread the false teachings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkgSyKDrJ8M

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JohnnyL wrote: October 19th, 2023, 9:44 am
Comanchero wrote: October 18th, 2023, 10:31 am
JohnnyL wrote: October 18th, 2023, 10:29 am
I haven't noticed one yet in my many years.
Eubanks.
Which GC talk of hers did you find disagreeable?
This is one of several I find objectionable.

https://youtu.be/bkgSyKDrJ8M?si=FVhvKC4uAIHH0pew

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Teancum1 wrote: October 19th, 2023, 5:32 pm
JohnnyL wrote: October 19th, 2023, 9:44 am
Comanchero wrote: October 18th, 2023, 10:31 am

Eubanks.
Which GC talk of hers did you find disagreeable?
This is one of several I find objectionable.

https://youtu.be/bkgSyKDrJ8M?si=FVhvKC4uAIHH0pew
And another. This is about how the pope deemed aborted fetal tissue in vaccines being ok and that we should “trust” conspiring men and inject experimental poison.

https://youtu.be/kZT9CNZcZNs?si=dSthCeEXUjWp5Flq

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How long before we all are required to wear those multicolored circle sustainable development pins to attend church meetings lol

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Teancum1 wrote: October 19th, 2023, 5:42 pm
Teancum1 wrote: October 19th, 2023, 5:32 pm
JohnnyL wrote: October 19th, 2023, 9:44 am
Which GC talk of hers did you find disagreeable?
This is one of several I find objectionable.

https://youtu.be/bkgSyKDrJ8M?si=FVhvKC4uAIHH0pew
And another. This is about how the pope deemed aborted fetal tissue in vaccines being ok and that we should “trust” conspiring men and inject experimental poison.

https://youtu.be/kZT9CNZcZNs?si=dSthCeEXUjWp5Flq
This is vile - she is vile
I saw this when it was first broadcast
Sickening
She and her " his holiness the pope" on the fast track to hell

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PeacefulProtests wrote: October 19th, 2023, 7:10 pm How long before we all are required to wear those multicolored circle sustainable development pins to attend church meetings lol
Gotta replace the CTR rings with something and while you’re at it what uniform isn’t complete without the rainbow jihad flag arm band! Deseret book is on it I’m sure! They probably got the idea from the YW values flags that used to be up when I was young & impressionable.

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TwochurchesOnly wrote: October 19th, 2023, 8:57 pm
Teancum1 wrote: October 19th, 2023, 5:42 pm
Teancum1 wrote: October 19th, 2023, 5:32 pm

This is one of several I find objectionable.

https://youtu.be/bkgSyKDrJ8M?si=FVhvKC4uAIHH0pew
And another. This is about how the pope deemed aborted fetal tissue in vaccines being ok and that we should “trust” conspiring men and inject experimental poison.

https://youtu.be/kZT9CNZcZNs?si=dSthCeEXUjWp5Flq
This is vile - she is vile
I saw this when it was first broadcast
Sickening
She and her " his holiness the pope" on the fast track to hell
I think watching the whole video is more telling. They are basically discussing and advocating the use of religion/ religious leaders to push the Covid vaccine. Go to the 11:55 mark. Sis Eubank says this.
But the first one is the power of trusted faith leaders. We know for a long time that
it is through the the trusted voices of faith leaders that people can change their resistance to these things.

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JohnnyL wrote: October 18th, 2023, 10:51 am
Comanchero wrote: October 18th, 2023, 10:47 am
JohnnyL wrote: October 18th, 2023, 10:23 am
38:20~38:56.
40:40~ for a minute or two.
I didn't hear anything about repentance in those there.
She was also very clever to lead right up to what people wanted to hear (on both sides!), then stop juuuuust... before clarifying anything. She did this at least twice in the short clips I watched. If you were there at the conference because you had SSA, I'm sure 90%+ would say she said something she didn't really say.
At about 45:40 she says something along the lines of waiting for the Prophet to figure it out. It's already been figured out! I don't care for the false hope that someday LGBT will be celestial. The doctrine is clear. The Prophets have been clear. There is nothing for President Nelson to figure out.
That's one of the places a SSA person could/ would interpret her as saying so. What does "figure it out" mean to her? She coyly didn't say.
I spent the last few days occasionally watching some presentations she's been a part of (Inklings) and I don't disagree with her on anything other than her LGBQ comments. And you're correct, she didn't outright approve of homosexual behavior but her choice to not proclaim the truth was discouraging. Granted, that was over 3 years ago and maybe she's changed her tune. The Gospel allows for people to change and for us to accept that change knowing that we make mistakes too. We'll see how she performs as YW's general president. If she pulls a Eubanks, I'll oppose at the next ward, stake or general conference and meet with my SP.

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