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As the renovation/destruction (or whatever you want to call it) of the Salt Lake temple continues, the completion date keeps getting pushed back. The last official update from the church has pushed the estimated year of completion to 2026.

Who do you think will be the person who does the rededication?

If the dedication happens in 2027 I'm going to guess Elder Oaks with about 75 percent probability.

I am giving an outside shot towards Jesus Christ dedicating the place though I think His coming won't happen for a few years after that.

I think it will be destroyed before it can be rededicated.

I didn’t see the devil on that list… Someone else it is.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 12th, 2023, 8:59 pm I didn’t see the devil on that list… Someone else it is.

I was thinking about adding the option "The AntiChrist" but decided to keep it simple.

Telavian wrote: ↑October 12th, 2023, 8:43 pm I think it will be destroyed before it can be rededicated.

Agreed. As soon as they announced they would be renovating it, I believed they would never finish it. It is done and won't be finished ever as far as I can see.

I wonder if we will have the death of three church leaders in quick succession as per Bishop Koyle's prophecy.
Nelson dies at 100 years old, Oaks takes the reigns but lasts only a few months because he's well into his 90's. At that point Ballard becomes president for a short time before joining them both in the hereafter.
So it could be Uchtdorf or even Bednar.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 4:17 am I wonder if we will have the death of three church leaders in quick succession as per Bishop Koyle's prophecy.
Nelso dies at 100 years old, Oaks takes the reigns but lasts only a few months because he's well into his 90's. At that point Ballard becomes president for a short before joining them both in the hereafter.

Man idk of Ballard can make it that long.

Maybe he'll get a boost from his black supper.

ransomme wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 4:19 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 4:17 am I wonder if we will have the death of three church leaders in quick succession as per Bishop Koyle's prophecy.
Nelso dies at 100 years old, Oaks takes the reigns but lasts only a few months because he's well into his 90's. At that point Ballard becomes president for a short before joining them both in the hereafter.

Man idk of Ballard can make it that long.

Maybe he'll get a boost from his black supper.

The next in line after Ballard is Holland, Eyring, hence my edit.

This question is much harder to answer than it first appears!

Yes, the LDS leadership is aging out. The same problem that the USSR and East Germany had. A failure to keep to bring in younger people at regular enough intervals.

As a side note, the “serve until you die” tradition is bad mojo.

Look at these ugly metal spires replacing the marble original spires. This is insane. This is a visual manifestation of decaying quality and apostasy in a nation in decline, an institution in decline and a religion in decline. There is a conspiracy to tear down higher art, more advanced architecture of previous eras and replace it with goyslop (trash produced for gentile consumption by The Machine). This is an outrage.

If even the most devout believers in 15 prophets, seers and revelators can't be honest that this is disappointing (AND WRONG), then the LDS church's body (the members) truly are beyond waking up and saving. This is a travesty. May God save us.





Source: https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2023/10 ... ginal.html



The lie that they sell to you



What you get






Utah is filled with mysterious, choice architectural destruction and decline. Don't believe the official story made to keep you inside of a box designed to limit your ability to know truth or at least realize the lies.

Replacement and renovation aren't the same thing.

Mindfields wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:57 am Replacement and renovation aren't the same thing.

Except that neither could save a dead religion.

BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 6:37 am Look at these ugly metal spires replacing the marble original spires. This is insane. This is a visual manifestation of decaying quality and apostasy in a nation in decline, an institution in decline and a religion in decline. There is a conspiracy to tear down higher art, more advanced architecture of previous eras and replace it with goyslop (trash produced for gentile consumption by The Machine). This is an outrage.

If even the most devout believers in 15 prophets, seers and revelators can't be honest that this is disappointing (AND WRONG), then the LDS church's body (the members) truly are beyond waking up and saving. This is a travesty. May God save us.





Source: https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2023/10 ... ginal.html



The lie that they sell to you



What you get






Utah is filled with mysterious, choice architectural destruction and decline. Don't believe the official story made to keep you inside of a box designed to limit your ability to know truth or at least realize the lies.

The church office building is a Brutalist monstrosity. Brutalism is war against true architectural beauty and part of Satan's broader war against beauty and goodness in general.

40 years, like the first time.

Mindfields wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:57 am Replacement and renovation aren't the same thing.

Right. What is going to be left of the original? Anything? Or has it all been replaced right under our noses?

The total gutting of the Temple, with all the Seismic upgrading I find to be a total slap in the face of our early ancestors whom painstakingly built that temple. Some dedicated their whole existence to making it a temple to endure through the millennium.

PressingForward wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 10:59 am The total gutting of the Temple, with all the Seismic upgrading I find to be a total slap in the face of our early ancestors whom painstakingly built that temple. Some dedicated their whole existence to making it a temple to endure through the millennium.

I couldn't find the words of the Lord commanding this temple to be built.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 4:17 am I wonder if we will have the death of three church leaders in quick succession as per Bishop Koyle's prophecy.
Nelso dies at 100 years old, Oaks takes the reigns but lasts only a few months because he's well into his 90's. At that point Ballard becomes president for a short before joining them both in the hereafter.
So it could be Uchtdorf or even Bednar.

A lot of people surmise that Bednar is uniquely special because his name is David.

PressingForward wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 10:59 am The total gutting of the Temple, with all the Seismic upgrading I find to be a total slap in the face of our early ancestors whom painstakingly built that temple. Some dedicated their whole existence to making it a temple to endure through the millennium.

I can understand adding supports to withstand an earthquake, however I can't understand gutting the interior. There was no justification for that.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 4:17 am I wonder if we will have the death of three church leaders in quick succession as per Bishop Koyle's prophecy.
Nelso dies at 100 years old, Oaks takes the reigns but lasts only a few months because he's well into his 90's. At that point Ballard becomes president for a short before joining them both in the hereafter.
So it could be Uchtdorf or even Bednar.

L. Tom Perry died May 30, 2015
Boyd K. Packer died July 3, 2015
Richard G. Scott died Sept 22, 2015

April 2015 the Spirit told me three apostles would die before the next conference. In quick order we lost Perry and Packer. Then the summer went on and I began to believe it was a false spirit, then Scott died right before GC.

I wondered often why the Lord told me that. What was the purpose? Then someone on this board shared Bishop Koyle's prophecy. I would not have looked twice at his prophecies without it.

As a side note, 2015 is one of the years included in the "contractions" when we compare the last days to a woman in travail.

2015
2020
2024
2027
2029
2030
2031
2032
2033

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 3:20 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 4:17 am I wonder if we will have the death of three church leaders in quick succession as per Bishop Koyle's prophecy.
Nelso dies at 100 years old, Oaks takes the reigns but lasts only a few months because he's well into his 90's. At that point Ballard becomes president for a short before joining them both in the hereafter.
So it could be Uchtdorf or even Bednar.

L. Tom Perry died May 30, 2015
Boyd K. Packer died July 3, 2015
Richard G. Scott died Sept 22, 2015

April 2015 the Spirit told me three apostles would die before the next conference. In quick order we lost Perry and Packer. Then the summer went on and I began to believe it was a false spirit, then Scott died right before GC.

I wondered often why the Lord told me that. What was the purpose? Then someone on this board shared Bishop Koyle's prophecy. I would not have looked twice at his prophecies without it.

As a side note, 2015 is one of the years included in the "contractions" when we compare the last days to a woman in travail.

2015
2020
2024
2027
2029
2030
2031
2032
2033

I am aware of that, but Bishop Koyle specifically said three "leaders". I know that could mean apostles, but it occured to me that it is more likely referring to presidents.

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 3:20 pm As a side note, 2015 is one of the years included in the "contractions" when we compare the last days to a woman in travail.

2015
2020
2024
2027
2029
2030
2031
2032
2033

The pattern here is:
2015 - 5 year gap
2020 - 4
2024 - 3
2027 - 2
2029 - 1
2030 - 1
2031 - 1
2032 - 1
2033

2015 is the year that the SDGs and Agenda 2030 were set in place by international ageeement. It was around this time that transgender for kids was first talked about in earnest.

2020 was when we saw Covid lockdowns, BLM and the QR Code being pushed. However it is six years after Gates' vaccination Ted talk which was so heavily publicised.

2019 and 2021 are off this list but are significant in terms of the whole Covid project. 2023 has seen rapid rollout of carbon measures worldwide, and increased aggression on a cashless society, veganism etc. It looks like the 2020 events take in at least the last half of 2019 and first half of 2021. (2024 may take in a whole year of 2023, and a year of 2025 – that being the Ukrainian war starting in early 2023.)

I have suggested elsewhere that the 2030-2033 period has the significance of being 2000 years after Jesus' supposed mission. (I say supposed, because there is disagreement about when he was born and thus what age he was when he died.

Let's take this the other way and see what we find. If we go with the model of a year either side, there are some results. Someone else might want to put these dates in more of a church context.

2020
2015 - 5 year gap - SDGs/Agenda 2030
2009 - 6 - Censorship of the internet begins in earnest.
2002 - 7 - Introduction of so called anti-terror laws. (Minus one, September 11)
1994 - 8 ‐ Unclear, possibly absorption of Eastern Europe.
1986 - 9 - Chernobyl, Cold War loosens up
1976 - 10 - ? Oil crisis, punk, unstable America
1967 - 11 - Beginning of Psychedelia, Vietnam, revolts in Europe, discord in China. Academic Marxism emerges.
1955 - 12 - Start of youth culture, promiscuity and real Cold War
1943 - 13 - ? Middle of WW2
1930 - 14 - Stalin and Hitler begin to establish powerbase (although Hitler really emerges in '33). Japan expands. Minus one, Great Depression.
1916 -,15 - ? Middle of WW1, Irish rising. Plus one year Bolshevik Revolution.
1901 - ? Death of Queen Victoria, end of Boer War

I'm pretty surprised 5 people think Nelson will make it to 103+ years