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Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 4:04 am
by Niemand
Lemarque wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:25 pm
I'm pretty surprised 5 people think Nelson will make it to 103+ years
It's not implausible. I could see him getting to 105. He is in good shape for someone that age.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 4:08 am
by Niemand
Destroyer wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 10:45 am
Mindfields wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:57 am
Replacement and renovation aren't the same thing.
Right. What is going to be left of the original? Anything? Or has it all been replaced right under our noses?
The church is, as I pointed out elsewhere, an example of the "Ship of Theseus" problem. (Also known as "Trigger's Broom". )
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The "Ship of Theseus" in Greek mythology was a ship which was gradually repaired over a long period, so eventually every single original piece of it was replaced by another... but the question is whether it is the same ship or not? In one sense the ship never stopped existing, but every nail, every plank and every fitting has been swapped out at some point.
"Trigger's Broom" is a simpler version of the same philosophical puzzle. Trigger was a character on Only Fools and Horses, a British sitcom who was notable for being extremely unintelligent. Anyway, Trigger is a road sweeper and keeps boasting about his broom which he says has lasted him for many years. He then goes on to say that it's lasted him all this time even though he's had to replace the brush/head and the handle a number of times. Someone points out to him that none of the original broom is left.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 5:29 am
by Robin Hood
Niemand wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 4:04 am
Lemarque wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:25 pm
I'm pretty surprised 5 people think Nelson will make it to 103+ years
It's not implausible. I could see him getting to 105. He is in good shape for someone that age.
He is, but decline at his age can be rapid.
I think he'll be dead within a year.
He's certainly deteriorated over the past few months.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 8:03 am
by Niemand
Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 5:29 am
Niemand wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 4:04 am
Lemarque wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:25 pm
I'm pretty surprised 5 people think Nelson will make it to 103+ years
It's not implausible. I could see him getting to 105. He is in good shape for someone that age.
He is, but decline at his age can be rapid.
I think he'll be dead within a year.
He's has certainly deteriorated over the past few months.
Possible. A lot of these folk go out like a light. I thought the Queen would make it past 100.
Kind of an Ozymandias thing going on with Nelson. He may have renamed everything and destroyed SLC temple, but he leaves a lesser legacy than Hinckley in my view.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 8:12 am
by Telavian
Niemand wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 8:03 am
Possible. A lot of these folk go out like a light. I thought the Queen would make it past 100.
Kind of an Ozymandias thing going on with Nelson. He may have renamed everything and destroyed SLC temple, but he leaves a lesser legacy than Hinckley in my view.
I thought that he would be the one to allow gay marriage in the temple. This would make his legacy undeniable.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 10:10 am
by OPMissionary
Lemarque wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:25 pm
I'm pretty surprised 5 people think Nelson will make it to 103+ years
I voted Nelson because I had no idea when the renovation was going to finish, and assumed it was soon because of this post.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 10:47 am
by Lizzy60
OPMissionary wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 10:10 am
Lemarque wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:25 pm
I'm pretty surprised 5 people think Nelson will make it to 103+ years
I voted Nelson because I had no idea when the renovation was going to finish, and assumed it was soon because of this post.
I think it was originally 2023 or 2024, but it’s been moved ahead several times so it’s now 2026 (if ever).
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 11:19 am
by Niemand
Telavian wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 8:12 am
Niemand wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 8:03 am
Possible. A lot of these folk go out like a light. I thought the Queen would make it past 100.
Kind of an Ozymandias thing going on with Nelson. He may have renamed everything and destroyed SLC temple, but he leaves a lesser legacy than Hinckley in my view.
I thought that he would be the one to allow gay marriage in the temple. This would make his legacy undeniable.
His war on "Mormon" is his great achievement which is sad. That's what I'll associate him with. Not temples, Hinckley got there first. Monson emphasised charity and Hinckley the
Family Proclamation.
Nelson's other legacies include:
* Social media fast. Not a bad idea.
* Two hour church. Not a bad idea but not a big one either.
*.Renaming everything in sight. Pointless.
* Destroying Minerva Teichert's art. Unforgivable.
* Trashing other temples.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 11:21 am
by LDS Physician
Telavian wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 2:51 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 4:17 am
I wonder if we will have the death of three church leaders in quick succession as per Bishop Koyle's prophecy.
Nelso dies at 100 years old, Oaks takes the reigns but lasts only a few months because he's well into his 90's. At that point Ballard becomes president for a short before joining them both in the hereafter.
So it could be Uchtdorf or even Bednar.
A lot of people surmise that Bednar is uniquely special because his name is David.
I'm certain the Lord will choose a lawyer to be his Davidic Servant ... just because of his parent-given name.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 12:53 pm
by BringerOfJoy
Telavian wrote: ↑October 12th, 2023, 8:43 pm
I think it will be destroyed before it can be rededicated.
I checked Oaks as most likely, but I can't discount this possibility.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 12:57 pm
by BringerOfJoy
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 6:27 am
As a side note, the “serve until you die” tradition is bad mojo.
Unfortunately, any path becomes bad mojo when you have men masquerading as prophets who are nothing of the sort, but the faithful haven't picked up on that yet. (Even though most of the 15 will admit it when push comes to shove.) Except Nelson who is a breed apart.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 1:20 pm
by BringerOfJoy
LDS Physician wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 11:21 am
Telavian wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 2:51 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 4:17 am
I wonder if we will have the death of three church leaders in quick succession as per Bishop Koyle's prophecy.
Nelso dies at 100 years old, Oaks takes the reigns but lasts only a few months because he's well into his 90's. At that point Ballard becomes president for a short before joining them both in the hereafter.
So it could be Uchtdorf or even Bednar.
A lot of people surmise that Bednar is uniquely special because his name is David.
I'm certain the Lord will choose a lawyer to be his Davidic Servant ... just because of his parent-given name.
Unless I missed something along the way, Bednar is not an attorney.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 1:46 pm
by HereWeGo
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 12:18 pm
PressingForward wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 10:59 am
The total gutting of the Temple, with all the Seismic upgrading I find to be a total slap in the face of our early ancestors whom painstakingly built that temple. Some dedicated their whole existence to making it a temple to endure through the millennium.
I couldn't find the words of the Lord commanding this temple to be built.
My guess is that you won't find any words, from the Lord, to build a temple after the Nauvoo Temple because none were given.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 3:19 pm
by LDS Physician
BringerOfJoy wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 1:20 pm
LDS Physician wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 11:21 am
Telavian wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 2:51 pm
A lot of people surmise that Bednar is uniquely special because his name is David.
I'm certain the Lord will choose a lawyer to be his Davidic Servant ... just because of his parent-given name.
Unless I missed something along the way, Bednar is not an attorney.
You missed something along the way.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 3:51 pm
by BringerOfJoy
LDS Physician wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 3:19 pm
BringerOfJoy wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 1:20 pm
LDS Physician wrote: ↑October 14th, 2023, 11:21 am
I'm certain the Lord will choose a lawyer to be his Davidic Servant ... just because of his parent-given name.
Unless I missed something along the way, Bednar is not an attorney.
You missed something along the way.
I rechecked his bio and he's not, so????
Snuffer is, and has a couple of interesting names for what that is worth.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 6:30 pm
by Lykos
This is from 2018 or 2019 so add 4-5 years to everyone but it helps to have an idea where they are in seniority and age
Ballard, Holland, and Eyring could go before or about the same time as Nelson.
I think we see President Oaks
And then a President Bendar
That would be my thoughts at the moment.
Elder Oaks will rededicate the temple as one of his last acts.
Re: Salt Lake Temple rededication
Posted: October 14th, 2023, 8:15 pm
by Yeliab
Lemarque wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 7:25 pm
I'm pretty surprised 5 people think Nelson will make it to 103+ years
I need to change my vote at the top. I didn't see the timeline for the re-decadentation of the Holier than thou Temples. That being said, I defintely think it will be someone else other than those on the list. I would laugh my butt off if it was the either Soares or the African Elder(sorry I don't know his name) But the way things are going, Sharon Eubanks would not be a surprise to me either.