What Does The Hamas/Israeli War Portend For Bible Prophecy? by Chuck Baldwin

[GeeR]

What Does The Hamas/Israeli War Portend For Bible Prophecy?
By Chuck Baldwin
October 12, 2023




Eighty percent of evangelical pastors and churches believe the Scofield-spawned propaganda that the modern Zionist State of Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. It’s not! I might as well go ahead and tick off evangelicals right at the beginning of this column, because it won’t get any easier as this column goes on.

God has NO future plans for national Israel. ZERO! ZILCH! NADA! NONE! National Israel was buried in the ashes of Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 AD. It is gone FOREVER! The Bible nowhere predicts a future national Israel.

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But every time war breaks out in Palestine, evangelicals saturate the airwaves with more tripe about the “prophetic signs that Jesus is coming soon.”

Nope! There’s no “Rapture” either.

I’ll say it straight out. Better yet, I’ll let Jesus say it straight out: “A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.” (Matthew 16:4; Matthew 12:39)

The current Zionist State of Israel is an atheistic, antichrist, pagan country masquerading (with the help of misinformed evangelicals) as a “Jewish state.” Roman generals/emperors Vespasian and Titus destroyed the Judahite nation in 70 AD. (Actually, God destroyed it; the Romans were only His instruments.) Netanyahu and his fellow Zionists are among the most vile, wicked imposters that the world has ever known. And the Zionist State of Israel itself is the modern world’s most notorious terror state.

Understand this: Israel is NOT a victim. The victims are anybody who stands in the way of a “Greater Israel”—especially the poor Palestinian people living in Gaza and the West Bank.

Everywhere you turn in the Western Media, you hear about the “unprovoked” attack of Hamas against Israel. Unprovoked? Are you kidding me?

Caitlin Johnstone:

It’s clear by now that whenever you see the word “unprovoked” being forcefully repeated in a uniform way across the entire political/media class, whatever they’re talking about was definitely massively provoked.

We saw this exact same thing when Russia invaded Ukraine; from the very beginning western politics and media were saturated with the word “unprovoked”, bashing the western public in the face with that message over and over and over again despite the obvious and undeniable fact that the war in Ukraine was most definitely provoked.

As Noam Chomsky quipped last year, “Of course, it was provoked. Otherwise, they wouldn’t refer to it all the time as an unprovoked invasion.”

And the same is of course true of the latest Hamas offensive. There are all kinds of arguments you could legitimately make about it, but one argument you definitely cannot defend is that it was unprovoked. As Palestinian-American writer and comedian Amer Zahr put it on Twitter, “75 years of ethnic cleansing. 15 years of blockade. Confiscation of Palestinian lands. Pogroms on Palestinian towns. Desecration of Palestinian sacred sites. Daily raids into Palestinian homes. Constant humiliation of a entire people. Nothing about today is ‘unprovoked.’”

Calling Palestinian violence against Israel “unprovoked” is easily even more ridiculous than calling the Russian invasion unprovoked, because the abuses of Israeli apartheid are so well-known by the general public at this point. Multiple mainstream human rights organizations have accused Israel of administering an abusive apartheid regime which treats Palestinians as lesser people. Palestinians who live in the open-air prison known as Gaza are deliberately subjected to undrinkable water, food shortages, energy shortages and bombing campaigns. Those outside Gaza are subjected to racist, violent policing and land seizure and live under a different set of laws than Jewish Israelis. The entire people were forced out of their homes to make way for a new state for reasons that had nothing to do with them, and any attempt to resist this has seen them killed as “terrorists”.

Of course the attack was provoked.

The real war in Palestine is the war that the Israeli government has been waging against the Palestinian people since December of 1947. If you really want to understand the reality of the situation in Palestine, you must read the blockbuster book The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine by noted Israeli historian Ilan Pappe.

Even Israeli government officials are saying that Hamas was deliberately provoked into war by Netanyahu:

An Israeli lawmaker told Al Jazeera on Saturday that his party had been warning that Israeli policies toward Palestinians would “erupt” into the violence that Israel is experiencing in the wake of Hamas’ assault.

The comments were made by Ofer Cassif, a member of the Knesset and the leftist Hadash party, which holds four seats in the 120-seat Knesset.

“We condemn and oppose any assault on innocent civilians. But in contrast to the Israeli government that means that we oppose any assault on Palestinian civilians as well. We must analyze those terrible incidents [the attacks] in the right context – and that is the ongoing occupation,” said Cassif, who is Jewish.

“We have been warning time and time again… everything is going to erupt and everybody is going to pay a price – mainly innocent civilians on both sides. And unfortunately, that is exactly what happened,” he added.

Since the Israeli government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came into power at the end of December 2022, violence against Palestinians has significantly risen, mainly due to an escalation of Israeli raids in the West Bank. Settler attacks have also been on the rise, and Netanyahu’s governing coalition made expanding settlements a top priority with the ultimate goal of annexing the West Bank.

Gaza has also been under an Israeli-imposed land, sea, and air blockade since 2007, and Israel frequently bombs the besieged enclave. The last major bombing campaign took place in 2021, when over 250 Palestinians were killed.

“The Israeli government, which is a fascist government, supports, encourages, and leads pogroms against the Palestinians. There is an ethnic cleansing going on. It was obvious the writing was on the wall, written in the blood of the Palestinians – and unfortunately now Israelis as well,” Cassif said.

Cassif also urged for de-escalation on X, writing that those calling for the destruction of Gaza “are only encouraging another bloodbath.” He also strongly denounced the Hamas assault, calling the actions “horrific crimes that the mind does not tolerate.”

From inside Gaza, journalist Efrat Fenigson reports:

Apparently Israeli Defense forces that were supposed to be around Gaza were placed around the West Bank because of security concerns so the Gaza envelope was left unoccupied with military.

A year ago there was a military operation in Gaza to prepare for such events, and ongoingly there are trainings for these kinds of scenarios. This raises serious questions about Israeli intelligence. What happened?

Two years ago there was a successful deployment of underground barriers with sensors – to alert terrorists breaches. Israel has one of the most advanced and high tech armies, how come there was zero response to the border and fence breaching??

I served in the IDF 25 years ago, in the intelligence forces. There’s no way Israel did not know of what’s coming. A cat moving alongside the fence is triggering all forces. So this??

What happened to the “strongest army in the world”?

How come border crossings were wide open??

Something is VERY WRONG HERE, something is very strange, this chain of events is very unusual and not typical for the Israeli defense system.

A point about the situation in Israel in the past few years – those who follow me know, that there’s a general sense of insecurity in Israel, there’s political and social instability, public funds are being misused on agendas such as Covid, climate, judicial reform, abolishing cash and more. The current government is highly corrupt in my view, while the previous one was no better.

I don’t care about having a popular opinion, I care about exposing evil forces – wherever they are:

To me this surprise attack seems like a planned operation. On all fronts.

This is a failure to protect the people of Israel, for sure, perhaps the biggest failure since the Yom Kippur war exactly 50 years ago, if not bigger. – by the way – is it a coincidence it’s exactly 50 years ago, almost on the day? The Yom Kippur War was on Oct. 6th 1973.

If I was a conspiracy theorist I would say that this feels like the work of the Deep State.

It feels like the people of Israel and the people of Palestine have been sold, once again, to the higher powers that be.

Michael Hoffman is America’s preeminent Christian scholar regarding Talmudism and Judaism. He puts things in perspective when he writes:

The Israeli government and military, together with the US government and media, exhibit no concern for the human rights of Arab civilians and no interest in the Palestinian “right to self defense.” Equal protections for all people are inconceivable to those who are under the influence, if only indirectly, of an ideology of contempt, as disseminated in the hate speech of the supremacist Talmud Bavli:

“If a gentile strikes a Jew he is liable for the death penalty.”

—BT Sanhedrin 58b.

“If a Jew kills a gentile the Jew is to go free.”

—BT Sanhedrin 57a.

“Non-Jews are uncompassionate by nature and attacks on them curb their evil inclination.”

—Torat Hamelech (21st century Israeli settler-rabbinic text based on the Talmud and distributed to members of the Israeli military).

“If a Jew needs a liver (transplant) can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by, to save him? The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value. There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.”

—Chabad Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburg, Jewish Week (New York), August 26, 1996. (Italics added).

What motivates Israeli war crimes and dehumanization of the Palestinian people?

Hate speech taught in the Talmud, in the Birkat Haminim malediction, in Maimonides’ Mishneh Torah and Guide of the Perplexed, in the Tanya of Chabad-Lubavitch’s Rabbi Shneur Zalman, and in the books and teachings of the modern Talmudic gedolim such as Ovadia Yosef, Yitzhak Shapira (Torat Hamelech), and Rabbi Saadya Grama, (“Romemut Yisrael Ufarashat Hagalut, —“The Superiority of Israel and the Question of Exile”) — are largely excluded from the study of what motivates Israeli war crimes and dehumanization of the Palestinian people.

These teachings of contempt do real world harm to the captive civilian population of Palestine who are regarded as little better than demons by the Kahanists and Chabadniks in Netanyahu’s cabinet, in the military and among the settlers (one of the latter was Meir Kahane’s follower, Baruch Goldstein, who machine-gunned to death 40 Palestinians at prayer in Hebron in 1994).

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, in a March 10, 2019 post on the social media platform Instagram, boldly articulated the unmistakable racist-supremacist mentality when he wrote, “Israel is not a state of all its citizens,” but rather “the nation-state of the Jewish people and only them.” A law to that effect has been passed by the Israeli Knesset (parliament).

This Israeli apartheid doctrine has been verified in lengthy and detailed documentary reports by Amnesty International and Hastings College of Law: “Israel’s Invasion of Gaza in International Law” (2009).

—as well as by Human Rights Watch, “Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution.”

These studies are mandatory reading for all fair-minded people who want to learn the truth behind the Israeli media hype.

Where was Prof. Hanson’s outcry when “thuggish killers” of the Israeli army and settlers this year pulled Palestinian elderly, women, and children out of their homes and beat and killed them, and robbed them of their land? The Talmud teaches they are only semi-human (nefesh-deficient), and Hanson shamefully reflects that teaching in his writing.

This year Netanyahu’s genocidal cabinet member Bezalel Smotrich called for the Palestinian village of Hawara to be annihilated. Netanyahu’s genocidal Minister of National Security, Itamar Ben Gvir, is a follower of Rabbi Meir Kahane, who advocated the mass expulsion of Palestinians and the killing of those who would refuse. The Israeli government has enabled a reign of terror on the part of the so-called settlers —to steal ever more Palestinian land and water, and kill civilians with impunity.

Gaza was invaded by the Israeli military in 2008-2009, with massive loss of civilian Palestinian life. The West forgets everything that the Israelis have perpetrated against the Palestinians and then highlights the terrorism of Hamas in a historical vacuum, lacking all context. It’s a rigged propaganda game and one that only has cachet in Europe and America. The Third World doesn’t buy it and the Third World is the demographic future.

The “state of Israel” was founded by terrorists such as the future Prime Ministers Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, using terrorism to accomplish the creation of “Israel.”

Hoffman’s last paragraph above is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt in Pappe’s book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.

Now, even Republican Senator Marco Rubio (FL) is calling for the “complete eradication” of the Palestinian people.

Dear God in Heaven, please deliver us from these hate-filled, racist warmongers!

More evidence of the blasphemous/supremacist/warmongering nature of Israel’s leaders is what Rabbi Chaim Richman said this past Monday:

"I just want to say this to our Christian friends ... just to call it as it is and say it straight out, you guys are worshiping one Jew, that's a mistake, you should be worshipping every single one of us because we all die for your sins every single day," Richman said, blaspheming Christ. "And that's exactly what's going on here. We're all God's first born and we're dying for your sins right now, because the Jewish people in the land of Israel are the bulwark against the Orcs, okay? The orcs are coming not to a theater near you but to your home!"

"This grotesque supremacy is expressed by Rabbi Chaim Richman, a former director of the Temple Institute - one of the extreme Jewish groups whose mission is to build the third temple," Keith Woods noted on Twitter/X. "Groups like this are responsible for rising tensions in the holy land, where they have forced Muslim and Christian worshippers out of their holy sites. Supremacists like this have the support of the Israeli government."

In the days before the war broke out, video after video was going viral of Jews in Israel spitting on Christians and attacking them in the streets for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and Netanyahu's top police official, National Security Minister Ben Gvir, defended their vile acts as "not criminal."

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But evangelical Christians have been ignoring the truth about Zionist Israel—and about what God’s Holy Word really teaches about Israel—since 1948.

What evangelicals further choose to forget is that many of Israel’s Palestinian victims are Christians.

I’ve been to Israel and Palestine. I preached in two churches there: One was in Bethlehem, and the other was in Jerusalem. Over 95% of the Christians in attendance at these services were Palestinians; they were not Israelis.

And I’ve got to tell you that the Palestinian people I met were among the kindest, sweetest, most humble, most gentle and most Christ-like people I have ever met—anywhere!

Yet, Christians in America cheer and applaud when the atheist State of Israel rapes, pillages, plunders, tortures, bludgeons and murders their Palestinian Christian brothers and sisters.

So, what does the Hamas/Israeli war portend for Bible prophecy? Absolutely NOTHING!

It merely provides another opportunity for Israel to do what it’s been doing for over 70 years: expand its territorial borders off the bloodshed, violence and death of the Palestinian people.

© Chuck Baldwin

[Niemand]

The Scofield hypothesis is being promulgated elsewhere... however it is not really true. Christian support for a Jewish homeland goes back to the Cromwellian period, at a time when very few Jews were interested in the idea. Nowadays, Christianity is split. We have churches here who sell Palestinian crafts and goods, it's by no means a one sided things. Other Christians will point out that Palestinian Christians have been persecuted by Israelis (not just by Muslims.)

Personally I think the state of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy but not necessarily how some interpret it. I remember somebody who was 1/4 Jewish saying to me that he felt that the state of Israel would become loathed, and that it would be partly its own doing. He said this loathing would be fulfilment of prophecy and that it would create the conditions for Armageddon. An older person pointed out to me that Israel had gone from hero to zero in many people's minds in the space of thirty or forty years.

[larsenb]

The Scofield hypothesis is being promulgated elsewhere... however it is not really true. Christian support for a Jewish homeland goes back to the Cromwellian period, at a time when very few Jews were interested in the idea. Nowadays, Christianity is split. We have churches here who sell Palestinian crafts and goods, it's by no means a one sided things. Other Christians will point out that Palestinian Christians have been persecuted by Israelis (not just by Muslims.)

Personally I think the state of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy but not necessarily how some interpret it. I remember somebody who was 1/4 Jewish saying to me that he felt that the state of Israel would become loathed, and that it would be partly its own doing. He said this loathing would be fulfilment of prophecy and that it would create the conditions for Armageddon. An older person pointed out to me that Israel had gone from hero to zero in many people's minds in the space of thirty or forty years.

Probably Christian support for Israel is much more prevalent here in the USA than elsewhere, and especially among Evangelicals.

I've mentioned this before, but I had this mindset a few decades ago, until I heard a Christian Palestinian who looked as Arabic as they come, stand up alone in the midst of a completely hostile crowd who had come to hear a BYU Religion Prof., exhult about the creation of the State of Israel. The Christian Palestinian very passionately disputed all the points the professor had just made.

After hearing this, I realized the situation wasn't nearly as clear-cut and simple as I had thought.

[GeeR]

The Scofield hypothesis is being promulgated elsewhere... however it is not really true. Christian support for a Jewish homeland goes back to the Cromwellian period, at a time when very few Jews were interested in the idea. Nowadays, Christianity is split. We have churches here who sell Palestinian crafts and goods, it's by no means a one sided things. Other Christians will point out that Palestinian Christians have been persecuted by Israelis (not just by Muslims.)

Personally I think the state of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy but not necessarily how some interpret it. I remember somebody who was 1/4 Jewish saying to me that he felt that the state of Israel would become loathed, and that it would be partly its own doing. He said this loathing would be fulfilment of prophecy and that it would create the conditions for Armageddon. An older person pointed out to me that Israel had gone from hero to zero in many people's minds in the space of thirty or forty years.

Probably Christian support for Israel is much more prevalent here in the USA than elsewhere, and especially among Evangelicals.

I've mentioned this before, but I had this mindset a few decades ago, until I heard a Christian Palestinian who looked as Arabic as they come, stand up alone in the midst of a completely hostile crowd who had come to hear a BYU Religion Prof., exhult about the creation of the State of Israel. The Christian Palestinian very passionately disputed all the points the professor had just made.

After hearing this, I realized the situation wasn't nearly as clear-cut and simple as I had thought.

Was Cleon W. Skousen the BYU professor you mentioned? He was pro-Israel and even wrote a book about how miraculous the 6 day war was. As much as I like Skousen I myself have had a change of mind and heart about Israel. Now they're the enemy! I was watching KSL News the last couple of nights and that young upstart news caster declared for all of us that "we stand for Israel." I thought to myself he should speak for himself, dude. But it's a foregone conclusion since he said that, it's pretty self-evident the Church is for it too. But it's interesting and hypocritical that the church has no compunction for Palestinian Christians—guess they don’t want to tick-off the so-called Jews for fear they will get kicked out of the Jerusalem Center?

[TheDuke]

Seems Chuck is not a bully pup for the anti-Christ. I guess people drift, eventually where their allegiences and wallets lie.

[larsenb]

The Scofield hypothesis is being promulgated elsewhere... however it is not really true. Christian support for a Jewish homeland goes back to the Cromwellian period, at a time when very few Jews were interested in the idea. Nowadays, Christianity is split. We have churches here who sell Palestinian crafts and goods, it's by no means a one sided things. Other Christians will point out that Palestinian Christians have been persecuted by Israelis (not just by Muslims.)

Personally I think the state of Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy but not necessarily how some interpret it. I remember somebody who was 1/4 Jewish saying to me that he felt that the state of Israel would become loathed, and that it would be partly its own doing. He said this loathing would be fulfilment of prophecy and that it would create the conditions for Armageddon. An older person pointed out to me that Israel had gone from hero to zero in many people's minds in the space of thirty or forty years.

Probably Christian support for Israel is much more prevalent here in the USA than elsewhere, and especially among Evangelicals.

I've mentioned this before, but I had this mindset a few decades ago, until I heard a Christian Palestinian who looked as Arabic as they come, stand up alone in the midst of a completely hostile crowd who had come to hear a BYU Religion Prof., exhult about the creation of the State of Israel. The Christian Palestinian very passionately disputed all the points the professor had just made.

After hearing this, I realized the situation wasn't nearly as clear-cut and simple as I had thought.

Was Cleon W. Skousen the BYU professor you mentioned? He was pro-Israel and even wrote a book about how miraculous the 6 day war was. As much as I like Skousen I myself have had a change of mind and heart about Israel. Now they're the enemy! I was watching KSL News the last couple of nights and that young upstart news caster declared for all of us that "we stand for Israel." I thought to myself he should speak for himself, dude. But it's a foregone conclusion since he said that, it's pretty self-evident the Church is for it too. But it's interesting and hypocritical that the church has no compunction for Palestinian Christians—guess they don’t want to tick-off the so-called Jews for fear they will get kicked out of the Jerusalem Center?

That's odd. I thought I replied to this. Guess I skipped the double click you sometimes have to do to send a post into the forum. And I'm not sure I can replicate what I wrote earlier

But I'm quite sure the Professor wasn't Cleon. We had his Naked Communist, and I"m sure I would have remembered if the presenter had been the same as the author of that book.

And right on, regarding the Church's apparent ignore-ance of the Palestinian Christians. Fear of being kicked out of the Jerusalem Center is only part of it, in my view. There is even a park in Jerusalem dedicated to the event of Orson Hyde traveling to Jerusalem and performing a dedicatory prayer for the return of the Jews to Israel. And as I recall, the Rothschilds helped pay for establishing the park.

[Shawn Henry]

This is the best sentence in his article.

The current Zionist State of Israel is an atheistic, antichrist, pagan country masquerading (with the help of misinformed evangelicals) as a “Jewish state.” Roman generals/emperors Vespasian and Titus destroyed the Judahite nation in 70 AD. (Actually, God destroyed it; the Romans were only His instruments.) Netanyahu and his fellow Zionists are among the most vile, wicked imposters that the world has ever known. And the Zionist State of Israel itself is the modern world’s most notorious terror state.

He is wrong about the kingdom returning, however. The southern and northern kingdom are prophesied to reunite under the Davidic Prince. It will be here in America though.

[Niemand]

I believe that the State of Israel is a fulfilment of prophecy, but that is not the same as saying it is a holy thing. In fact, you will see me trying to refute some Zionist arguments elsewhere. (Such as the notion that Israel is a safe haven, that it has preserved Jewish culture, and that the Palestinians are just generic Arabs with no feeling of attachment to the area they lived in.)

The interpretation that some Protestants have made is that Antichrist will broker some kind of peace between the State of Israel and its opponents (at which point be will be seen a hero), and then set himself up in the new temple In Jerusalem. Some say he will rule from there.

It is said by them that an army will be able to get there dryshod across the bed of the Euphrates. This may sound ridiculous but Turkey has been damming some of the rivers in in the mountains.

An old friend (who was a quarter Jewish by the way) once said to me that he thought Israel would have to become despised among the nations for this to happen, but that this would result from the state behaving in a disgusting manner and committing atrocities.

[larsenb]

I believe that the State of Israel is a fulfilment of prophecy, but that is not the same as saying it is a holy thing.

The interpretation that some Protestants have nade is that Antichrist will broker some kind of peace between the State of Israel and its opponents (at which point be will be seen a hero), and then set himself up in the new temple In Jerusalem. Some say he will rule from there.

It is said by them that an army will be able to get there dryshod across the bed of the Euphrates. This may sound ridiculous but Turkey has been damming some of the rivers in in the mountains.

A friend who is quarter Jewish once said to me that he thought Israel would have to become despised among the nations for this to happen, but that this would result from it behaving badly.

Which it's already done, in numerous instances, including playing a key role in 9/11, as per Christopher Bollyn. And going in and slaughtering tens if not hundreds of thousands of Palestinians including Christian Palestinians, may be the 'frosting on the cake'.

One unknown event not understood by many people is that our own Rep. Wayne Owens was likely poisoned/murdered by the people he was working with in Israel after they had come under indictment. Barry Chamish dug up a lot of the evidence for this; and it was essentially confirmed to me by a nephew working for the embassy in Tel Aviv, who told me discreetly about a secret meeting the embassy held on the event while he was there. Owens definitely did not die of a heart attack on the beach, from what my nephew said.

He had been involved in some real under-handed things (e.g., money laundering for Yasser Arafat etc.), and was in a position where he knew too much, as it appeared to Chamish.

And another source I had said, Owens was black-mailable, because of a life-style he had chosen.

[nightlight]

"God has NO future plans for national Israel. ZERO! ZILCH! NADA! NONE! National Israel was buried in the ashes of Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 AD. It is gone FOREVER! The Bible nowhere predicts a future national Israel."




Some high level insight right there

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We need to take a more neutral stance toward Israel and the Palestinains.

Watching every major US news outlet treat Israel like it's the 51st state is nauseating.

It is true the Hamas attacks against Israeli civilians in settlements near the border is a war crime, and is terrorism. But that doesn't mean Israel should get a blank check to indiscriminately kill people in Gaza.

Americans, especially Evangelicals and Mormons, tend to believe the state of Israel is the Israel of the Bible merely because they share the same name. They also buy into "God's Chosen People" nonsense.

[BuriedTartaria]

“A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.” (Matthew 16:4; Matthew 12:39)

What exactly does this mean?

[Bronco73idi]

“A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas.” (Matthew 16:4; Matthew 12:39)

What exactly does this mean?

I don’t know what geer is implying with it but both references imply that Jesus isn’t giving them a sign that they “want” he gave them plenty of wonders “signs” yet they harden their hearts. He will give them a sign of his resurrection and he likens it to Jonas 3 days in the whale.

[BOMdotcom]

An old friend (who was a quarter Jewish by the way) once said to me that he thought Israel would have to become despised among the nations for this to happen, but that this would result from the state behaving in a disgusting manner and committing atrocities.

The words you used reminded me of the book of Obadiah. Is it about the nation Israel?

2Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.