Yahweh is...

[ithink]

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I always appreciate what you write...looking forward to the part 2.
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I'm always glad to share the "research". I started on Part 2, but kept getting sidetracked. Hopefully I will have it before next weekend. If not, then it will be next weekend as to WHO Yahweh (YaHWeH / IHVH) is.


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Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved.

As the Yogi's say, "Attainments are temptations to the ego and when the Ego (natural man) tries to use them, they are taken away"
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So true. In fact, the disciples thought they (their group with Jesus) "owned" the power of God, as well as some (it seems the Seventies) were almost boasting of what "they" had accomplished. I'll have those two clips just below. Jesus tries to straighten them out.

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We are meant to only be a conducting vessel, not the manager nor director. There is only one will.
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Again correct. This is one of my favorites (as to the FIRST MOVER part) ...

"In Alchemy, whether Spiritual or physical, we are to find the center of the Cross ((the 5th letter- S/Sh/Schin or actually the 'Spirit of God'/ 'Ruah/ Ruach', which is necessary to be able to employ the proper pronunciation of the Sacred Word))."

"A true understanding of the 4-Lettered Name ((TGT)), containing as it does, the powers of the 4 elements of Nature: Air, Water, Fire, and Earth; from their lowest degree to their highest aspect, would imply a knowledge and power of creation as well as that of death and destruction. Is it not for this reason that its pronunciation ((in written form)) has been forbidden ((and also in using it in vain or selfishly)) by the Kabbalist?"

"The Ancient Wisdom implied that this ((Sacred)) Name, might only be pronounced by the ((true)) Initiate who has attained the Supreme Initiation, that is to say 'He who has learnt to be One with the FIRST MOVER and be HIS WILL'."

"The ((Sacred)) Name of the Deity, which we call Jehovah, is in Hebrew, a Name of 4 letters- IHVH; and the true pronunciation is a most secret arcanum, and is a secret of secrets. 'He who can rightly pronounce it, causeth heaven and earth to tremble, for it is the ((Sacred)) Name which rusheth thru the universe."


***Lynn's notes above are in double parenthesis. Even though we use/utilize the word "pronounce", it is understood that it is by the harmonics or resonance of certain KEY NOTES.


Oh, those 2 snips are ...
AG 131:31-40
31) And John said, Master, who may seek and save the lost? and who may heal the sick, and cast the demons out of those obsessed?
32) When we were on the way we saw a man who was not one of us cast demons out and heal the sick.
33) He did it by the sacred Word and in the name of Christ? but we forbade him, for he did not walk with us.
34) And Jesus said, You sons of men, do you imagine that you own the powers of God?
35) And do you think that all the world must wait for you to do the works of God?
36) God is not man that he should have a special care for any man, and give him special gifts.
37) Forbid not any man to do the works of God.
38) There is no man who can pronounce the sacred Word, and in the name of Christ restore the sick, and cast the unclean spirits out, who is not child of God.
39) The man of whom you speak is one with us. Whoever gathers in the grain of heaven is one with us.
40) Whoever gives a cup of water in the name of Christ is one with us; so God shall judge.

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AG 140:4-16
4) And when they reached Capernaum the seventy were there; and they were filled with joy; they said,
5) The Spirit of the Lord of hosts was with us all the way, and we were filled.
6) The power of the sacred Word was manifest in us; we healed the sick; we caused the lame to walk, the deaf to hear, the blind to see.
7) The very devils trembled when we spoke the Word, and they were subject unto us.
8) And Jesus said, As you were going on your way, the heavens were bright with light, the earth was bright, they seemed to meet and be at one; and I beheld, and Satan fell as lightning from the heavens.
9) Behold, for you have power to tread on serpents and on scorpions, and these are
SYMBOLS of the enemies of men. You are protected in the way of right, and naught can harm.
10) And as you went I heard a master say, Well done.
11) But you may not rejoice because you have the power to heal the sick and make the devils tremble by the Word; for such rejoicing is from carnal self.
12) You may rejoice because the nations of the earth have ears to hear the Word, and eyes to see the glory of the Lord, and hearts to feel the inner breathing of the Holy Breath.
13) And you may well be glad because your names are written in the Book of Life.
14) Then Jesus looked to heaven and said, I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast revealed thyself to babes, and taught them how to light the path and lead the wise to thee.
15) What thou hast given to me, lo, I have given to them, and through the sacred Word I have bestowed on them the understanding heart,
16) That they might know and honor thee through Christ, who was, and is, and evermore shall be.

"Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved."

Alright. Then what does telling us you've researched this for 38 years doing in there? At the risk of sounding rude, I don't care how long anyone has researched anything. If it's the truth and it was arrived at in 10s and not 3.8 decades, the value should be the same.

You are all over the map.

I'm looking for you to summarize your position with a sentence or two, not a page or two.

And skip the J Smith references if you can. I've got a bad taste in my mouth for him ever since Kinderhook, the Greek Psalter, and the 10 first visions.

I'm not sure if you've mixed Lynn and myself but I still find it comprehensive to say that we all are living in vanity at the moment. I've only found one person in my life that was devoid of vanity and it did give me hope. I've noticed vanity in your posts and I certainly have found it in mine! HAHAHAHAHA

Vanity in my posts?
Bahaahahaha

[ithink]

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I always appreciate what you write...looking forward to the part 2.
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I'm always glad to share the "research". I started on Part 2, but kept getting sidetracked. Hopefully I will have it before next weekend. If not, then it will be next weekend as to WHO Yahweh (YaHWeH / IHVH) is.


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Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved.

As the Yogi's say, "Attainments are temptations to the ego and when the Ego (natural man) tries to use them, they are taken away"
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So true. In fact, the disciples thought they (their group with Jesus) "owned" the power of God, as well as some (it seems the Seventies) were almost boasting of what "they" had accomplished. I'll have those two clips just below. Jesus tries to straighten them out.

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We are meant to only be a conducting vessel, not the manager nor director. There is only one will.
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Again correct. This is one of my favorites (as to the FIRST MOVER part) ...

"In Alchemy, whether Spiritual or physical, we are to find the center of the Cross ((the 5th letter- S/Sh/Schin or actually the 'Spirit of God'/ 'Ruah/ Ruach', which is necessary to be able to employ the proper pronunciation of the Sacred Word))."

"A true understanding of the 4-Lettered Name ((TGT)), containing as it does, the powers of the 4 elements of Nature: Air, Water, Fire, and Earth; from their lowest degree to their highest aspect, would imply a knowledge and power of creation as well as that of death and destruction. Is it not for this reason that its pronunciation ((in written form)) has been forbidden ((and also in using it in vain or selfishly)) by the Kabbalist?"

"The Ancient Wisdom implied that this ((Sacred)) Name, might only be pronounced by the ((true)) Initiate who has attained the Supreme Initiation, that is to say 'He who has learnt to be One with the FIRST MOVER and be HIS WILL'."

"The ((Sacred)) Name of the Deity, which we call Jehovah, is in Hebrew, a Name of 4 letters- IHVH; and the true pronunciation is a most secret arcanum, and is a secret of secrets. 'He who can rightly pronounce it, causeth heaven and earth to tremble, for it is the ((Sacred)) Name which rusheth thru the universe."


***Lynn's notes above are in double parenthesis. Even though we use/utilize the word "pronounce", it is understood that it is by the harmonics or resonance of certain KEY NOTES.


Oh, those 2 snips are ...
AG 131:31-40
31) And John said, Master, who may seek and save the lost? and who may heal the sick, and cast the demons out of those obsessed?
32) When we were on the way we saw a man who was not one of us cast demons out and heal the sick.
33) He did it by the sacred Word and in the name of Christ? but we forbade him, for he did not walk with us.
34) And Jesus said, You sons of men, do you imagine that you own the powers of God?
35) And do you think that all the world must wait for you to do the works of God?
36) God is not man that he should have a special care for any man, and give him special gifts.
37) Forbid not any man to do the works of God.
38) There is no man who can pronounce the sacred Word, and in the name of Christ restore the sick, and cast the unclean spirits out, who is not child of God.
39) The man of whom you speak is one with us. Whoever gathers in the grain of heaven is one with us.
40) Whoever gives a cup of water in the name of Christ is one with us; so God shall judge.

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AG 140:4-16
4) And when they reached Capernaum the seventy were there; and they were filled with joy; they said,
5) The Spirit of the Lord of hosts was with us all the way, and we were filled.
6) The power of the sacred Word was manifest in us; we healed the sick; we caused the lame to walk, the deaf to hear, the blind to see.
7) The very devils trembled when we spoke the Word, and they were subject unto us.
8) And Jesus said, As you were going on your way, the heavens were bright with light, the earth was bright, they seemed to meet and be at one; and I beheld, and Satan fell as lightning from the heavens.
9) Behold, for you have power to tread on serpents and on scorpions, and these are
SYMBOLS of the enemies of men. You are protected in the way of right, and naught can harm.
10) And as you went I heard a master say, Well done.
11) But you may not rejoice because you have the power to heal the sick and make the devils tremble by the Word; for such rejoicing is from carnal self.
12) You may rejoice because the nations of the earth have ears to hear the Word, and eyes to see the glory of the Lord, and hearts to feel the inner breathing of the Holy Breath.
13) And you may well be glad because your names are written in the Book of Life.
14) Then Jesus looked to heaven and said, I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast revealed thyself to babes, and taught them how to light the path and lead the wise to thee.
15) What thou hast given to me, lo, I have given to them, and through the sacred Word I have bestowed on them the understanding heart,
16) That they might know and honor thee through Christ, who was, and is, and evermore shall be.

"Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved."

Alright. Then what does telling us you've researched this for 38 years doing in there? At the risk of sounding rude, I don't care how long anyone has researched anything. If it's the truth and it was arrived at in 10s and not 3.8 decades, the value should be the same.

You are all over the map.

I'm looking for you to summarize your position with a sentence or two, not a page or two.

And skip the J Smith references if you can. I've got a bad taste in my mouth for him ever since Kinderhook, the Greek Psalter, and the 10 first visions.

I'm not sure if you've mixed Lynn and myself but I still find it comprehensive to say that we all are living in vanity at the moment. I've only found one person in my life that was devoid of vanity and it did give me hope. I've noticed vanity in your posts and I certainly have found it in mine! HAHAHAHAHA

I did mix you up.
How vain of me!

[FrankOne]

"Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved."

Alright. Then what does telling us you've researched this for 38 years doing in there? At the risk of sounding rude, I don't care how long anyone has researched anything. If it's the truth and it was arrived at in 10s and not 3.8 decades, the value should be the same.

You are all over the map.

I'm looking for you to summarize your position with a sentence or two, not a page or two.

And skip the J Smith references if you can. I've got a bad taste in my mouth for him ever since Kinderhook, the Greek Psalter, and the 10 first visions.

I'm not sure if you've mixed Lynn and myself but I still find it comprehensive to say that we all are living in vanity at the moment. I've only found one person in my life that was devoid of vanity and it did give me hope. I've noticed vanity in your posts and I certainly have found it in mine! HAHAHAHAHA

I did mix you up.
How vain of me!

the acceptance of the truth frees us. lightens us. I just found this and wow...

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[ithink]

I'm not sure if you've mixed Lynn and myself but I still find it comprehensive to say that we all are living in vanity at the moment. I've only found one person in my life that was devoid of vanity and it did give me hope. I've noticed vanity in your posts and I certainly have found it in mine! HAHAHAHAHA

I did mix you up.
How vain of me!

the acceptance of the truth frees us. lightens us. I just found this and wow... the truth shall set you free.jpg

bruh's arms are still in chains.
Someone help him with that plz.

[onefour1]

My thoughts are that you are very mixed up.

[SJR3t2]

Brave enough. lol

You sure like to banter around and drop names and make outlandish statements, such as the above.
And hurl insults.

We all know Yeshua is just the literation of Jesus from Hebrew to Greek.
We all know that Jesus is not the father, but some will argue he is.
I suppose you could call the father Elohim, but I would not often.
Some might call the father Ehieh, but I would just prefer El, or even just father.

You see, way back in Exodus Moses was quite concerned that the children of Israel needed names.
Names, give us names, names are so important to us!
Today it's an epidemic it seems. Ehieh, Hochma, Iah, El, Elohim, Elchai, Sadai.
Just drop a few names and poof - you're some kind of scholar.

But not really.
None of that matters.
Unless you are as dumb as the Israeilites were.
"Give us a name you SOB".

I speak English.
If you do not speak Greek, you have no business calling Jesus Yeshua.
Or god El or Elohim or whatever.
That is virtue signalling.

However, some names are useful to understand.
Such as Lucifer.
Yahweh.
And the serpent, the devil, the father of lies.

It appears you do not understand what I was alluding.
Yahweh is consistent.
He must be, as he is on a mission.
To exalt himself above the most high.

Above Adonai.
Above Eloah.
Above El.
Above father.

And you are helping him.

You should go review your responses to me, you have been quite rude. And I'm not going to continue having a conversation with you. And you have no business telling me how I should worship Yeshua or what I call Him.

What are you, 3 yrs old?
Cope harder.

look more mocking, who do you follow?

[ithink]

You should go review your responses to me, you have been quite rude. And I'm not going to continue having a conversation with you. And you have no business telling me how I should worship Yeshua or what I call Him.

What are you, 3 yrs old?
Cope harder.

look more mocking, who do you follow?

I'll ask the questions son.
Where do I even begin with you?
If you would sit still long enough, you might learn something.

[ithink]

My thoughts are that you are very mixed up.

Your thoughts are not your own.

[FrankOne]

My thoughts are that you are very mixed up.

Your thoughts are not your own.
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[SJR3t2]

What are you, 3 yrs old?
Cope harder.

look more mocking, who do you follow?

I'll ask the questions son.
Where do I even begin with you?
If you would sit still long enough, you might learn something.

Why would you think I want to learn anything from you, with how you have treated me, and how you contradict scriptures?

[ithink]

look more mocking, who do you follow?

I'll ask the questions son.
Where do I even begin with you?
If you would sit still long enough, you might learn something.

Why would you think I want to learn anything from you, with how you have treated me, and how you contradict scriptures?

C'mon man, now you're telling tales.
"...learn anything... contradict scripures" all in the same sentence.
OK, so you don't agree, already.
That's your obstinate prerogative.
So you get the treatment of an obstinate person.

This isn't about me.
It's about you.
The sooner you realize that, the better for you.
In the meantime.
Cope harder.

[SJR3t2]

I'll ask the questions son.
Where do I even begin with you?
If you would sit still long enough, you might learn something.

Why would you think I want to learn anything from you, with how you have treated me, and how you contradict scriptures?

C'mon man, now you're telling tales.
"...learn anything... contradict scripures" all in the same sentence.
OK, so you don't agree, already.
That's your obstinate prerogative.
So you get the treatment of an obstinate person.

This isn't about me.
It's about you.
The sooner you realize that, the better for you.
In the meantime.
Cope harder.

I'm not telling tales, you can go look at history and see.

[ithink]

Why would you think I want to learn anything from you, with how you have treated me, and how you contradict scriptures?

C'mon man, now you're telling tales.
"...learn anything... contradict scripures" all in the same sentence.
OK, so you don't agree, already.
That's your obstinate prerogative.
So you get the treatment of an obstinate person.

This isn't about me.
It's about you.
The sooner you realize that, the better for you.
In the meantime.
Cope harder.

I'm not telling tales, you can go look at history and see.

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[Lynn]

further in response to "ithink" ...
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Who do you think Yahweh is?
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Part 2

We've touched the surface on the "WHAT" is Yahweh/YHWH. This is the second barrel of that shotgun question. It is the "WHO" is Yahweh or YHWH.

It seems so many references divert the answer to this or that. In part 1, I noted Jesus shared that we should worship (which includes prayer) in spirit & truth, not to any person, being or thing. At least as to John 4:25-26 he states, "And the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him. For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth."

In AG 81:24-27 Jesus clarifies it a tad bit better better.
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24) The woman asked,
Why do you say that only in Jerusalem man ought to pray, and that they should not worship in our holy mount?

25) And Jesus said,
What you have said, I do not say. One place is just as sacred as another place.

26) The hour has come when men must worship God within the temple of the heart; for God is not within Jerusalem, nor in your holy mount in any way that he is not in every heart.

27) Our God is Spirit; they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Yet another quote notes this in AG which I shared in the comments between Part 1 & this Part 2, in AG 96:3-17 --
3) Upon the unity of God the law was built. In all the world there is one force; Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH) is Almighty God.
4) Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH) wrote upon the heavens and Moses read,

5) I am Almighty God and you shall have no God but me.
6) There is one force, but many phases of that force; these phases men call powers.

7) All powers are of God; and they are manifests of God; they are the Spirits of our God.

8) If men could seem to find another force and worship at its shrine, they would but court illusion, vain,

9) A shadow of the One, Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH), God, and they who worship shadows are but shadows on the wall; for men are what they court.

10) And God would have all men to be the substance, and in mercy he commanded, You shall seek no God but me.

11) And finite men can never comprehend infinite things. Man cannot make an image of the Infinite in force.

12) And when men make a God of stone or wood or clay they make an image of a shade; and they who worship at the shrine of shades are shades.
13) So God in mercy said, You shall not carve out images of wood, or clay, or stone.

14) Such idols are ideals, abased ideals, and men can gain no higher plane than their ideals.

15) The God is Spirit, and in spirit men must worship if they would attain a consciousness of God.

16) But man can never make a picture or an image of the Holy Breath.

17) The name of God man may not speak with carnal lips; with Holy Breath alone can man pronounce the name.


In other words, Jesus is simply saying it is time to put away your images, or any such thing as bowing down to anyone or any place, as God the Father awaits you in your heart (not your physical pump, nor by any body, or structure, but the spiritual heart).

Hmm, that seems to align with the portion found in the Book of Mormon Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:12/ LDS 4:15), that we should "call upon the Father in my name with a broken heart and a contrite spirit".

And in D&C 59 (CoC-RLDS vs.2e/ LDS vs.8), "Thou shalt offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in righteousness, even that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit."

Now, I do realize that many are hung up on two other quotes. One is found in Luke 11:23 which states "All things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it."

Hmm, this looks like a stump that trips you up, does it not? The other is found in the Book of Mormon Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:77/ LDS 3:14). It seems to be Jesus that shares with the Brother of Jared (this is Peleg in the OT) "Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and Son." Boy, that looks pretty tight, or in other words, without a doubt. However, there is a problem. In Luke he notes only to those he reveals it. And he does not clarify how he reveals it. Or how should I say or explain it, he does not clarify it as to how this can possibly be reconciled. For if you take note, the one speaking to Peleg (the Brother of Jared) states, "Behold this body, ye now behold, is the spirit of my body; and man have I created after the body of my spirit; and even as I appear unto thee to be in the spirit, will I appear unto my people in the flesh." Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:81/ LDS 3:16). Hmm, I see two angles to this. One is that what Peleg (BoF) is seeing is a body in spirit & that when the time comes, his spirit will be in a body as Jesus. The question I bring up, is are we referencing a higher level & a lower level? Therefore, even though One in a sense, perhaps two in another sense. Such as the Spiritual- aka the Father and the physical or embodiment in the flesh- aka the Son. Hold that thought!



If we run over to the Book of Revelation chapter 10, look at verse 7 carefully, John the Baptist (aka the "Divine/Seer" the true author of this grand vision) is told "But in the days of the voice of <<<the 7th angel>>>, when he shall begin to sound (speak), <<<the mystery of God>>> should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

As you should know, in coloring books sometimes we have dots to connect in order to get the picture with which then we can color. But we have to "connect" the dots before beholding it. In D&C CoC-RLDS 104:25a-29b/ LDS 107:53-57) a meeting was held of the descendants of Adam. Adam was about to finally die (pass on from the flesh at that era). It is revealed that Adam is also referred to as "Michael, the Prince, the Archangel". In other words, his Spiritual Self, HGA (Holy Guardian Angel), OverSoul, Angelic Self, or Higher Self, whatever you wish to call it. This was done in the area called Adam-ondi-Ahman. Pay attention to this phrase, as it too has many facets.

Now let's go back to Revelation Rev.12:6-7. It seems that there is to be a great battle ahead in which Michael gathers "His" angels. This is shared in D&C (CoC-RLDS 85:34c-f/ LDS 88:111-116) that Michael is identified as the 7th angel, the "archangel", who "gathers his armies, even the hosts of heaven". It says Michael shall fight their battles. But slipped in there nice & quietly, perhaps undetected, in Coc-RLDS verse 35d/ DLDs verse 112 it then claims this is the "battle of the 'great' God." It seems Michael shal fight their battles, but now it seems to refer to it as the battle of the great God. Chew on that for a bit.

In D&C (CoC-RLDS 26:2f/ LDS 27:11) we are shared further that "Michael, or Adam, is the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days". And in D&C (CoC-RLDS 28:7a/ LDS 29:26) that Michael is referred to as "mine archangel".

Hmm. in D&C (CoC-RLDS 77:3e-f,4d / LDS 78:15-16,20) we are shared further that the "foundations of Adam-ondi-Ahman" has been "established", "Michael, your prince, and established his feet, and set him upon high; and given him the keys of salvation". Then we are now equated that Jesus, "the Redeemer" is also referred to as the "Son Ahman." In Revelation 3:14, Jesus is given the term "Amen".

In case you did not know, there variants of this 3 letter word- AMN, be it Amen, Ahman, Aman, Ammon, Ammon, and so on. Do you get the picture?

Backing up to Revelation 10:7. Each of the angels' names have meanings or I might say "expressions" or certain "essences". The "El" is reference to "of God". Most angels have this tacked on to the portion that expresses them.
Michael's brief is akin to "He who is like God". In English, the portion mich/miche means "to do, or hide in secret or mystery". In Hebrew gematria, words of equal numerical value (by their letters) can be substituted for each other, in order to reveal more. It just so happens that the Hebrew words for Light & Mystery are of equal value, and therefore Michael is also akin to "Light of God" & "Mystery of God". Hmm, Rev. 10:7 relates the seventh angel & the Mystery of God.



In the 'Revelations of the Metatron', on page 68 fro one pillar in the golden pyramid in South America-
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"The Archangel Michael,
Was the first and most God-like,
With broad and strong Emotions
And filled with Energy and Knowledge."
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In the next portion, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel are mentioned as part of the 7 Archangel below Michael, in certain qualities.

In the case of he or she who starts a thing, only they can end THAT thing, The first Adam is the last Adam (Jesus). Adam-ondi-Ahman for instance, is also an equation Father Adam = Son Ahman. In Adam-ondi-Ahman there is also Ad-On-Ay or Ah-On-Ai (Adonay/Adonai) which means "Lord" or what the disciples used commonly to refer to Jesus- Adonay. And yet another revealed by Joseph Smith was Adam-ondi-Ahman which is Adam-on-Diamond or Adam's consecrated land. Interesting to note, is that diamonds or Herkimer diamonds somehow bring in Adam into the subject. Naturally, I don't seem to find my notebook with those notes. Perhaps it is revealing that Adam is a diamond in the rough. You might say that Jesus is the precious diamond after being honed & finished. Aha! I found my notes in my Book Notes notebook. This is from an encyclopedia. It seems Diamond- History- "The name diamond is derived from the Greek word 'adamas', meaning 'invincible'." Somehow, I have a tie-in with Herkimer diamonds, but the note here does not elaborate, just referenced where they are found. But it is interesting the words Adamas (invincible) akin to Adam (man) & Adamah (earth) & Adamu (Assyrian for make or produce). The Jews or Hebrews also believed the name Adam (ADM) incorporated or contained 3 related names (facets or incarnations)- Adam/David/Messiah.

Speaking of the Book of Revelation. You see, John was held captive for well over a year in jail/prison before being beheaded. There is an interesting situartion presented which helps to explain a question John had to Jesus while in prison. Sitting around, you have lots of time to meditate as well as project (meaning an O-B-E). Which is most interesting, as Revelation notes that John was "in the spirit" on the Isle of Patmos. In other words, he was in a higher spiritual body of himself, not there physically. The old story in the Catholic Church was that it was John the Beloved, who was exiled to Patmos, had the vision, then wrote it down, and died there. However, they have been looking into that as perhaps some tale that was spun that might not be accurate. We'uns in the restoration groups, because of what is noted in the last book of John & the Book of Mormon, we tend to think that John the Beloved was allowed to transform or "tarry" at a certain age, just like the 3 Nephites. That right there throws out the bit of John the Beloved dying there on Patmos. So the old assumptions start to crumble. But then over in the Book of Mormon, it states that this author (who wrote it down) is one of the 12 Apostles. So naturally, you ID him as John the Beloved. But, there is something most are not aware of, which I mentioned earlier. After Judas committed suicide, there were only 11 at the Lord's Supper. Oral traditions point to John the Baptist as an invisible participant taking the place of Judas, who was eventually replaced with another- Matthias.

Now, an interesting twist as to WHO---
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from Academy #19 (5-7-1997)
Now, the heart of the heart of #19, is an excerpt from "The Law of One, Bk.3" and is copyrighted in 1982 by L/L Research (in my L/L 8 1/2 x 11 ed.-5th print 4-88). The quotes I will share are from p.128 (session #74 dated 10-28-81) and p.132 (#75 dated 10-31-81). It concerns the concepts of space & time, and how the Logos/WORD/Name has power BEFORE space and time and built all that IS. So, here it is for your review:
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RA: I am Ra. This query borders upon over-specifity. It is most important for the adept to feel its own growth as teach/leaner.
We may only say that you correctly surmise the paramount import of the magical personality. This is a study in itself. With the appropriate emotional will, polarity, and purity, work may be done with or without proper sound vibration complexes. However, there is no need for the blunt instrument when the scalpel is available.

QUESTIONER: I assume that the reason that the rituals that have been used previously are of effect is that these words have built a bias in consciousness of those who have worked in these areas so that those who are of a distortion of mind that we seek will respond to imprint in consciousness of this series of words. Is this correct?

RA: I am Ra. This is, to a great extent, correct. The exception is the sounding of some of what you call your Hebrew and some of what you call your Sanskrit vowels. These sound-vibration-complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light, which built all that there is.

QUESTIONER: How did the users of these sounds, Sanskrit and Hebrew, determine what these sounds were?

RA: I am Ra. In the case of the Hebrew that entity known as Yahweh [YHWH] aided this knowledge through impression upon the material of genetic coding which became language, as you call it.
In the case of Sanskrit the sound vibrations are are pure due to the lack of previous, what you call, alphabet or letter-naming. Thus the sound vibration complexes seemed to fall into place as from the Logos. This was a more, shall we say, natural or unaided situation or process. ... ---UNQUOTE Excerpt---
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In other words, these "Sound-Vibration-Complexes" were implanted to Adam & Eve and their descendants, in their genetic codings. Plus it is another reference to WHO is in charge- Yahweh (YHWH/IHVH).

In the "Revelations of the Metatron', it is shared that in Adam are the "coils of life" on pp.166-167, in which Adam & Eve are to pass on.

In the Jewish writings, they share that is was Michael who was at/in the Burning Bush, who spoke to Moses. They also reveal that Israel (the people or souls) have two celestial angel guardians- Michael & Gabriel. Michael is or has a title akin to other variants similar to the one previously mentioned- "he who is like God".

Gabriel also has quiet a few, such as Messenger, Revealer, Rock, and also "Apostle". As for Gabriel, "gabbro" means rock. In Daniel 12, we seem to have two characters- which it is assumed one is Michael. These two are speaking across the river (meaning across realms). It is Michael (from a higher realm) instructing Gabriel (the Messenger) in this physical realm.

What if we might find additional "dots" to get a larger picture of what we are to see? Looking further into the Cayce Readings, it is revealed that Jesus played the part of Adam introducing death, to which he will overcome, as Jesus (last Adam). The Cayce Readings also note that Jesus had been Joshua (who was allowed into the Promised Land), as well as Joseph of Egypt. And Michael is referred to as the "Lord of the Way" in the Cayce Readings. In ancient texts, Michael is also associated with "Word" & "Son". Michael is also referred to as "Deus Angelorum" which means "God of the Angels", the Great Father Osiris-Michael, Lord Osiris, Archangel of angels, and "the god who light the way". In the Jewish text, Michael is the Intercessor of prayers who takes them to God. In mainstream Christianity, it is Jesus who seems to carry this function. And of course, we know that Jesus is associated with "the Way".

In fact, you know this by yet another analogy given to you, be it in the D&C or in the Book of Mormon. This is the parable of the Lord & servant of the vineyard. This parable, if you sit back & look at its depth, there are only two players here constantly involved (just like the two celestial guardians of Israel (the elect souls, not the country). And they "adjust" things (tend to the vineyard) at many different time intervals. In other words, you have the same Lord & the same servant, but they intervene periodically across time. One being Michael (either as Michael or an incarnation) & one being Gabriel (either as Gabriel or an incarnation, maybe more than the Lord). In the case of Elijah, when he left, he did not die, I mentioned he literally walked into heaven & ceased on the physical side. But did you know that where Elijah was taken up at the Jordan River, John the Baptist began his ministry at the very same spot on the Jordan River? Which of course is the focal point that Jesus even touched on. In the AG version of the NT, Jesus explains that John the Baptist was the very Elijah who did not taste of death, but merely walked into heaven. Later in the IV of RLDS-CoC & the JST, Jesus shares that John & Elijah are the same soul & will come again to restore all things.

At one point while John was in prison, he sent his disciples to inquire of Jesus. First off, he was Jesus' cousin. He was raised at first with Jesus as well as both had fled to Egypt with parents. At certain times they were taught & assisted by the Essenes at Qumran. So John pretty well knew all about Jesus & the prophecies. Haven't you ever wondered why he seemed to show doubts? It was because of the "collective" vision by way of an O-B-E on the Isle of Patmos. This "Book of Revelation" seemed as if it would all presently take place, or would it play out over a span of time. It is because of this, that he had questions. Not only that, John/Elijah was called the greatest of the seers by Jesus in the AG, but this vision was such a grand or magnitude of one, he wanted some assistance on interpretation. Jesus shares many things but never actually gave a definitive answer.

Backing up to Jesus & Joseph of Egypt. In the apocryphal book- "Joseph & Aseneth" (his wife), Aseneth has problems with Joseph. But Michael appears & tells her that Joseph & she are to me married. She records that Joseph looked identical to Michael, except that Michael looked more angelic.

Now we head back to Revelation 10. It seems John (the Baptist) aka Elijah is told to retrieve the little book. This prophecy is dual. This is him as Joseph Smith bringing forth the Book of Mormon. Yet, in a later time, it is reference to a task assignment, to which is noted as Elias (aka Elijah) as yet in another lifetime as "the rod of Jesse" or OMAS (One Mighty & Strong) Refer to D&C (LDS only/ there is no cross in CoC-RLDS) 113:3-4 & 77:14Q&A.

But take note of Revelation 10:7 in that when Michael comes forth (7th angel) ---the "Mystery of God" will be finished, giving us a hint that something astounding is to be revealed. This will be when he & Gabriel meet up once again across realms, but actually Gabriel's current projection (incarnation). See Joseph's Patriarchal Blessing which is from 1835 by Oliver Cowdery who was shown it & it was declared of these things. There is also the 1834 Patriarchal Blessing by JS,sr. but my focus for now is two portions of the 1835 one. Oliver inquired of the ONE & was granted a vision, in which he not only was shown these things, but a voice declared them as well. And Oliver recorded them. While sharing, he notes in 4 verses that he too will be involved with Joseph in the gathering of Israel.


Here are a few snips I will touch upon---

10. Like Jacob of old he SHALL wrestle with the angel, and as a prince SHALL he have power with God, and SHALL prevail.

14. From amid the burning bush, like Moses of old, SHALL he hear the voice, saying, I am the God of thy fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, I have seen the affliction of my people and have come down to deliver them:
15. Go thou, and say to the strength of my house, "To your tents, O Israel: build up the wastes and raise up the foundation of desolation that this generation has made".

16. Thus SHALL he be honored of the Lord, and thus SHALL it be recorded of him, that the generation to come may bless his name, in Israel, saying, "The Lord make thee as Joseph the Seer, who was of the house of Ephraim the brother of Manasseh:
17. The Lord do thee good, and bring peace and blessings among thy house of Joseph the Seer, who was raised up a choice vine from the stem of Jacob through the root of Joseph, even that Joseph who was separated from his Brethren";

12. But ere his foes are aware he SHALL be hid under the pavillion of the Lord Jehovah;
26. He SHALL be a sure arrow in the bow of his God; for he SHALL be hid under the shadow of his wing.
29. His fame SHALL be sounded in foreign lands, even to the ends of the earth, as well as nigh at home: for in this the times SHALL change, a prophet SHALL have honor in his own country.


In #10 it says JS (future incarnation) will have a "pineal/Peniel" experience. What most do not realize is that this activation employs the pineal gland, which links us to a vast mult-dimensional/spiritual access. And again, most do not know that to activate it, you must "tickle" it. In the East, they use the word/seed sound- AUM or OM. In Eckankar, they use HU. Either path leads to opening the pathway if one is of pure heart. Some modern day seers such as Edgar Cayce, Aron Abrahamsen, and so on, speak of one to come- not his real name, but refer to him as John Peniel. And some say he is or was Elijah/John the Baptist in the past.

In #14-15 JS (future incarnation) will also have what is akin to Moses' Burning Bush experience. It was Michael who spoke from the Burning Bush, according to the ancient Hebrew texts. Note that it does say build up the wastes, as if something had occurred.


I think I have presented enough evidence that Michael is the representative of the YHWH (IHVH), so in a sense, he is assigned the title of YHWH (Yahweh), but he is merely a messenger.

For the true (ultimate) God (the ONE) is much like the Eckankar term- the SUGMAD (The Infinite Ocean of Love & Mercy), meaning the infinite cannot be confined to something finite.

In conclusion, Michael is representative of YHWH (IHVH), yet Jesus is, as well, same thing, but different aspects or facets. But it goes even much further than that.

[FrankOne]

further in response to "ithink" ...
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Who do you think Yahweh is?
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Part 2

We've touched the surface on the "WHAT" is Yahweh/YHWH. This is the second barrel of that shotgun question. It is the "WHO" is Yahweh or YHWH.

It seems so many references divert the answer to this or that. In part 1, I noted Jesus shared that we should worship (which includes prayer) in spirit & truth, not to any person, being or thing. At least as to John 4:25-26 he states, "And the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him. For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth."

In AG 81:24-27 Jesus clarifies it a tad bit better better.
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24) The woman asked,
Why do you say that only in Jerusalem man ought to pray, and that they should not worship in our holy mount?

25) And Jesus said,
What you have said, I do not say. One place is just as sacred as another place.

26) The hour has come when men must worship God within the temple of the heart; for God is not within Jerusalem, nor in your holy mount in any way that he is not in every heart.

27) Our God is Spirit; they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Yet another quote notes this in AG which I shared in the comments between Part 1 & this Part 2, in AG 96:3-17 --
3) Upon the unity of God the law was built. In all the world there is one force; Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH) is Almighty God.
4) Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH) wrote upon the heavens and Moses read,

5) I am Almighty God and you shall have no God but me.
6) There is one force, but many phases of that force; these phases men call powers.

7) All powers are of God; and they are manifests of God; they are the Spirits of our God.

8) If men could seem to find another force and worship at its shrine, they would but court illusion, vain,

9) A shadow of the One, Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH), God, and they who worship shadows are but shadows on the wall; for men are what they court.

10) And God would have all men to be the substance, and in mercy he commanded, You shall seek no God but me.

11) And finite men can never comprehend infinite things. Man cannot make an image of the Infinite in force.

12) And when men make a God of stone or wood or clay they make an image of a shade; and they who worship at the shrine of shades are shades.
13) So God in mercy said, You shall not carve out images of wood, or clay, or stone.

14) Such idols are ideals, abased ideals, and men can gain no higher plane than their ideals.

15) The God is Spirit, and in spirit men must worship if they would attain a consciousness of God.

16) But man can never make a picture or an image of the Holy Breath.

17) The name of God man may not speak with carnal lips; with Holy Breath alone can man pronounce the name.


In other words, Jesus is simply saying it is time to put away your images, or any such thing as bowing down to anyone or any place, as God the Father awaits you in your heart (not your physical pump, nor by any body, or structure, but the spiritual heart).

Hmm, that seems to align with the portion found in the Book of Mormon Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:12/ LDS 4:15), that we should "call upon the Father in my name with a broken heart and a contrite spirit".

And in D&C 59 (CoC-RLDS vs.2e/ LDS vs.8), "Thou shalt offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in righteousness, even that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit."

Now, I do realize that many are hung up on two other quotes. One is found in Luke 11:23 which states "All things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it."

Hmm, this looks like a stump that trips you up, does it not? The other is found in the Book of Mormon Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:77/ LDS 3:14). It seems to be Jesus that shares with the Brother of Jared (this is Peleg in the OT) "Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and Son." Boy, that looks pretty tight, or in other words, without a doubt. However, there is a problem. In Luke he notes only to those he reveals it. And he does not clarify how he reveals it. Or how should I say or explain it, he does not clarify it as to how this can possibly be reconciled. For if you take note, the one speaking to Peleg (the Brother of Jared) states, "Behold this body, ye now behold, is the spirit of my body; and man have I created after the body of my spirit; and even as I appear unto thee to be in the spirit, will I appear unto my people in the flesh." Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:81/ LDS 3:16). Hmm, I see two angles to this. One is that what Peleg (BoF) is seeing is a body in spirit & that when the time comes, his spirit will be in a body as Jesus. The question I bring up, is are we referencing a higher level & a lower level? Therefore, even though One in a sense, perhaps two in another sense. Such as the Spiritual- aka the Father and the physical or embodiment in the flesh- aka the Son. Hold that thought!



If we run over to the Book of Revelation chapter 10, look at verse 7 carefully, John the Baptist (aka the "Divine/Seer" the true author of this grand vision) is told "But in the days of the voice of <<<the 7th angel>>>, when he shall begin to sound (speak), <<<the mystery of God>>> should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

As you should know, in coloring books sometimes we have dots to connect in order to get the picture with which then we can color. But we have to "connect" the dots before beholding it. In D&C CoC-RLDS 104:25a-29b/ LDS 107:53-57) a meeting was held of the descendants of Adam. Adam was about to finally die (pass on from the flesh at that era). It is revealed that Adam is also referred to as "Michael, the Prince, the Archangel". In other words, his Spiritual Self, HGA (Holy Guardian Angel), OverSoul, Angelic Self, or Higher Self, whatever you wish to call it. This was done in the area called Adam-ondi-Ahman. Pay attention to this phrase, as it too has many facets.

Now let's go back to Revelation Rev.12:6-7. It seems that there is to be a great battle ahead in which Michael gathers "His" angels. This is shared in D&C (CoC-RLDS 85:34c-f/ LDS 88:111-116) that Michael is identified as the 7th angel, the "archangel", who "gathers his armies, even the hosts of heaven". It says Michael shall fight their battles. But slipped in there nice & quietly, perhaps undetected, in Coc-RLDS verse 35d/ DLDs verse 112 it then claims this is the "battle of the 'great' God." It seems Michael shal fight their battles, but now it seems to refer to it as the battle of the great God. Chew on that for a bit.

In D&C (CoC-RLDS 26:2f/ LDS 27:11) we are shared further that "Michael, or Adam, is the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days". And in D&C (CoC-RLDS 28:7a/ LDS 29:26) that Michael is referred to as "mine archangel".

Hmm. in D&C (CoC-RLDS 77:3e-f,4d / LDS 78:15-16,20) we are shared further that the "foundations of Adam-ondi-Ahman" has been "established", "Michael, your prince, and established his feet, and set him upon high; and given him the keys of salvation". Then we are now equated that Jesus, "the Redeemer" is also referred to as the "Son Ahman." In Revelation 3:14, Jesus is given the term "Amen".

In case you did not know, there variants of this 3 letter word- AMN, be it Amen, Ahman, Aman, Ammon, Ammon, and so on. Do you get the picture?

Backing up to Revelation 10:7. Each of the angels' names have meanings or I might say "expressions" or certain "essences". The "El" is reference to "of God". Most angels have this tacked on to the portion that expresses them.
Michael's brief is akin to "He who is like God". In English, the portion mich/miche means "to do, or hide in secret or mystery". In Hebrew gematria, words of equal numerical value (by their letters) can be substituted for each other, in order to reveal more. It just so happens that the Hebrew words for Light & Mystery are of equal value, and therefore Michael is also akin to "Light of God" & "Mystery of God". Hmm, Rev. 10:7 relates the seventh angel & the Mystery of God.



In the 'Revelations of the Metatron', on page 68 fro one pillar in the golden pyramid in South America-
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"The Archangel Michael,
Was the first and most God-like,
With broad and strong Emotions
And filled with Energy and Knowledge."
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In the next portion, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel are mentioned as part of the 7 Archangel below Michael, in certain qualities.

In the case of he or she who starts a thing, only they can end THAT thing, The first Adam is the last Adam (Jesus). Adam-ondi-Ahman for instance, is also an equation Father Adam = Son Ahman. In Adam-ondi-Ahman there is also Ad-On-Ay or Ah-On-Ai (Adonay/Adonai) which means "Lord" or what the disciples used commonly to refer to Jesus- Adonay. And yet another revealed by Joseph Smith was Adam-ondi-Ahman which is Adam-on-Diamond or Adam's consecrated land. Interesting to note, is that diamonds or Herkimer diamonds somehow bring in Adam into the subject. Naturally, I don't seem to find my notebook with those notes. Perhaps it is revealing that Adam is a diamond in the rough. You might say that Jesus is the precious diamond after being honed & finished. Aha! I found my notes in my Book Notes notebook. This is from an encyclopedia. It seems Diamond- History- "The name diamond is derived from the Greek word 'adamas', meaning 'invincible'." Somehow, I have a tie-in with Herkimer diamonds, but the note here does not elaborate, just referenced where they are found. But it is interesting the words Adamas (invincible) akin to Adam (man) & Adamah (earth) & Adamu (Assyrian for make or produce). The Jews or Hebrews also believed the name Adam (ADM) incorporated or contained 3 related names (facets or incarnations)- Adam/David/Messiah.

Speaking of the Book of Revelation. You see, John was held captive for well over a year in jail/prison before being beheaded. There is an interesting situartion presented which helps to explain a question John had to Jesus while in prison. Sitting around, you have lots of time to meditate as well as project (meaning an O-B-E). Which is most interesting, as Revelation notes that John was "in the spirit" on the Isle of Patmos. In other words, he was in a higher spiritual body of himself, not there physically. The old story in the Catholic Church was that it was John the Beloved, who was exiled to Patmos, had the vision, then wrote it down, and died there. However, they have been looking into that as perhaps some tale that was spun that might not be accurate. We'uns in the restoration groups, because of what is noted in the last book of John & the Book of Mormon, we tend to think that John the Beloved was allowed to transform or "tarry" at a certain age, just like the 3 Nephites. That right there throws out the bit of John the Beloved dying there on Patmos. So the old assumptions start to crumble. But then over in the Book of Mormon, it states that this author (who wrote it down) is one of the 12 Apostles. So naturally, you ID him as John the Beloved. But, there is something most are not aware of, which I mentioned earlier. After Judas committed suicide, there were only 11 at the Lord's Supper. Oral traditions point to John the Baptist as an invisible participant taking the place of Judas, who was eventually replaced with another- Matthias.

Now, an interesting twist as to WHO---
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from Academy #19 (5-7-1997)
Now, the heart of the heart of #19, is an excerpt from "The Law of One, Bk.3" and is copyrighted in 1982 by L/L Research (in my L/L 8 1/2 x 11 ed.-5th print 4-88). The quotes I will share are from p.128 (session #74 dated 10-28-81) and p.132 (#75 dated 10-31-81). It concerns the concepts of space & time, and how the Logos/WORD/Name has power BEFORE space and time and built all that IS. So, here it is for your review:
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Bk.3, p.128(#74)---Excerpt QUOTE---

RA: I am Ra. This query borders upon over-specifity. It is most important for the adept to feel its own growth as teach/leaner.
We may only say that you correctly surmise the paramount import of the magical personality. This is a study in itself. With the appropriate emotional will, polarity, and purity, work may be done with or without proper sound vibration complexes. However, there is no need for the blunt instrument when the scalpel is available.

QUESTIONER: I assume that the reason that the rituals that have been used previously are of effect is that these words have built a bias in consciousness of those who have worked in these areas so that those who are of a distortion of mind that we seek will respond to imprint in consciousness of this series of words. Is this correct?

RA: I am Ra. This is, to a great extent, correct. The exception is the sounding of some of what you call your Hebrew and some of what you call your Sanskrit vowels. These sound-vibration-complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light, which built all that there is.

QUESTIONER: How did the users of these sounds, Sanskrit and Hebrew, determine what these sounds were?

RA: I am Ra. In the case of the Hebrew that entity known as Yahweh [YHWH] aided this knowledge through impression upon the material of genetic coding which became language, as you call it.
In the case of Sanskrit the sound vibrations are are pure due to the lack of previous, what you call, alphabet or letter-naming. Thus the sound vibration complexes seemed to fall into place as from the Logos. This was a more, shall we say, natural or unaided situation or process. ... ---UNQUOTE Excerpt---
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In other words, these "Sound-Vibration-Complexes" were implanted to Adam & Eve and their descendants, in their genetic codings. Plus it is another reference to WHO is in charge- Yahweh (YHWH/IHVH).

In the "Revelations of the Metatron', it is shared that in Adam are the "coils of life" on pp.166-167, in which Adam & Eve are to pass on.

In the Jewish writings, they share that is was Michael who was at/in the Burning Bush, who spoke to Moses. They also reveal that Israel (the people or souls) have two celestial angel guardians- Michael & Gabriel. Michael is or has a title akin to other variants similar to the one previously mentioned- "he who is like God".

Gabriel also has quiet a few, such as Messenger, Revealer, Rock, and also "Apostle". As for Gabriel, "gabbro" means rock. In Daniel 12, we seem to have two characters- which it is assumed one is Michael. These two are speaking across the river (meaning across realms). It is Michael (from a higher realm) instructing Gabriel (the Messenger) in this physical realm.

What if we might find additional "dots" to get a larger picture of what we are to see? Looking further into the Cayce Readings, it is revealed that Jesus played the part of Adam introducing death, to which he will overcome, as Jesus (last Adam). The Cayce Readings also note that Jesus had been Joshua (who was allowed into the Promised Land), as well as Joseph of Egypt. And Michael is referred to as the "Lord of the Way" in the Cayce Readings. In ancient texts, Michael is also associated with "Word" & "Son". Michael is also referred to as "Deus Angelorum" which means "God of the Angels", the Great Father Osiris-Michael, Lord Osiris, Archangel of angels, and "the god who light the way". In the Jewish text, Michael is the Intercessor of prayers who takes them to God. In mainstream Christianity, it is Jesus who seems to carry this function. And of course, we know that Jesus is associated with "the Way".

In fact, you know this by yet another analogy given to you, be it in the D&C or in the Book of Mormon. This is the parable of the Lord & servant of the vineyard. This parable, if you sit back & look at its depth, there are only two players here constantly involved (just like the two celestial guardians of Israel (the elect souls, not the country). And they "adjust" things (tend to the vineyard) at many different time intervals. In other words, you have the same Lord & the same servant, but they intervene periodically across time. One being Michael (either as Michael or an incarnation) & one being Gabriel (either as Gabriel or an incarnation, maybe more than the Lord). In the case of Elijah, when he left, he did not die, I mentioned he literally walked into heaven & ceased on the physical side. But did you know that where Elijah was taken up at the Jordan River, John the Baptist began his ministry at the very same spot on the Jordan River? Which of course is the focal point that Jesus even touched on. In the AG version of the NT, Jesus explains that John the Baptist was the very Elijah who did not taste of death, but merely walked into heaven. Later in the IV of RLDS-CoC & the JST, Jesus shares that John & Elijah are the same soul & will come again to restore all things.

At one point while John was in prison, he sent his disciples to inquire of Jesus. First off, he was Jesus' cousin. He was raised at first with Jesus as well as both had fled to Egypt with parents. At certain times they were taught & assisted by the Essenes at Qumran. So John pretty well knew all about Jesus & the prophecies. Haven't you ever wondered why he seemed to show doubts? It was because of the "collective" vision by way of an O-B-E on the Isle of Patmos. This "Book of Revelation" seemed as if it would all presently take place, or would it play out over a span of time. It is because of this, that he had questions. Not only that, John/Elijah was called the greatest of the seers by Jesus in the AG, but this vision was such a grand or magnitude of one, he wanted some assistance on interpretation. Jesus shares many things but never actually gave a definitive answer.

Backing up to Jesus & Joseph of Egypt. In the apocryphal book- "Joseph & Aseneth" (his wife), Aseneth has problems with Joseph. But Michael appears & tells her that Joseph & she are to me married. She records that Joseph looked identical to Michael, except that Michael looked more angelic.

Now we head back to Revelation 10. It seems John (the Baptist) aka Elijah is told to retrieve the little book. This prophecy is dual. This is him as Joseph Smith bringing forth the Book of Mormon. Yet, in a later time, it is reference to a task assignment, to which is noted as Elias (aka Elijah) as yet in another lifetime as "the rod of Jesse" or OMAS (One Mighty & Strong) Refer to D&C (LDS only/ there is no cross in CoC-RLDS) 113:3-4 & 77:14Q&A.

But take note of Revelation 10:7 in that when Michael comes forth (7th angel) ---the "Mystery of God" will be finished, giving us a hint that something astounding is to be revealed. This will be when he & Gabriel meet up once again across realms, but actually Gabriel's current projection (incarnation). See Joseph's Patriarchal Blessing which is from 1835 by Oliver Cowdery who was shown it & it was declared of these things. There is also the 1834 Patriarchal Blessing by JS,sr. but my focus for now is two portions of the 1835 one. Oliver inquired of the ONE & was granted a vision, in which he not only was shown these things, but a voice declared them as well. And Oliver recorded them. While sharing, he notes in 4 verses that he too will be involved with Joseph in the gathering of Israel.


Here are a few snips I will touch upon---

10. Like Jacob of old he SHALL wrestle with the angel, and as a prince SHALL he have power with God, and SHALL prevail.

14. From amid the burning bush, like Moses of old, SHALL he hear the voice, saying, I am the God of thy fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, I have seen the affliction of my people and have come down to deliver them:
15. Go thou, and say to the strength of my house, "To your tents, O Israel: build up the wastes and raise up the foundation of desolation that this generation has made".

16. Thus SHALL he be honored of the Lord, and thus SHALL it be recorded of him, that the generation to come may bless his name, in Israel, saying, "The Lord make thee as Joseph the Seer, who was of the house of Ephraim the brother of Manasseh:
17. The Lord do thee good, and bring peace and blessings among thy house of Joseph the Seer, who was raised up a choice vine from the stem of Jacob through the root of Joseph, even that Joseph who was separated from his Brethren";

12. But ere his foes are aware he SHALL be hid under the pavillion of the Lord Jehovah;
26. He SHALL be a sure arrow in the bow of his God; for he SHALL be hid under the shadow of his wing.
29. His fame SHALL be sounded in foreign lands, even to the ends of the earth, as well as nigh at home: for in this the times SHALL change, a prophet SHALL have honor in his own country.


In #10 it says JS (future incarnation) will have a "pineal/Peniel" experience. What most do not realize is that this activation employs the pineal gland, which links us to a vast mult-dimensional/spiritual access. And again, most do not know that to activate it, you must "tickle" it. In the East, they use the word/seed sound- AUM or OM. In Eckankar, they use HU. Either path leads to opening the pathway if one is of pure heart. Some modern day seers such as Edgar Cayce, Aron Abrahamsen, and so on, speak of one to come- not his real name, but refer to him as John Peniel. And some say he is or was Elijah/John the Baptist in the past.

In #14-15 JS (future incarnation) will also have what is akin to Moses' Burning Bush experience. It was Michael who spoke from the Burning Bush, according to the ancient Hebrew texts. Note that it does say build up the wastes, as if something had occurred.


I think I have presented enough evidence that Michael is the representative of the YHWH (IHVH), so in a sense, he is assigned the title of YHWH (Yahweh), but he is merely a messenger.

For the true (ultimate) God (the ONE) is much like the Eckankar term- the SUGMAD (The Infinite Ocean of Love & Mercy), meaning the infinite cannot be confined to something finite.

In conclusion, Michael is representative of YHWH (IHVH), yet Jesus is, as well, same thing, but different aspects or facets. But it goes even much further than that.

You've dived into many interesting possible aspects of the identity of Michael etc , yet in many instances you make personal 'jumps' to link one conclusion with another. I do find it interesting, and thanks for the post. A simple observation of mine is that very few wish to look past the very generalized view of the equation of hierarchies as has been taught by any mainstream religion.

I have likely spent too much time looking at what I call the "mechanics" of the temporal world. This universe is a machine and extremely complex. The participants (us) in this equation are having an experience of an infinite number of variables that no supercomputer could even begin to decipher. I am getting to the point of putting away such pursuits because, for me, there is a diminishing value in this endeavor.

This is all a matrix for experience. Figuring out the matrix and all of the multiple roles of individuals, through different time periods, is not really helpful because it's the simple experience that has value, not the understanding of the "why" and less important, the "how".

in short, the last search is within, not without. The search "without" is vanity and in most cases, only a form of entertainment. Entre-ten-ment - To hold the mind in between. To stay in limbo. Of course, in the big scheme, each must go through whatever experience is presented, so...in all truth, whatever boon one seeks is as valuable as the next.

thanks again

[logonbump]

... The one who inspired Jeremiah to write:
10:
14 Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them

[ithink]

further in response to "ithink" ...
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Part 2

We've touched the surface on the "WHAT" is Yahweh/YHWH. This is the second barrel of that shotgun question. It is the "WHO" is Yahweh or YHWH.

It seems so many references divert the answer to this or that. In part 1, I noted Jesus shared that we should worship (which includes prayer) in spirit & truth, not to any person, being or thing. At least as to John 4:25-26 he states, "And the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him. For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth."

In AG 81:24-27 Jesus clarifies it a tad bit better better.
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24) The woman asked,
Why do you say that only in Jerusalem man ought to pray, and that they should not worship in our holy mount?

25) And Jesus said,
What you have said, I do not say. One place is just as sacred as another place.

26) The hour has come when men must worship God within the temple of the heart; for God is not within Jerusalem, nor in your holy mount in any way that he is not in every heart.

27) Our God is Spirit; they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Yet another quote notes this in AG which I shared in the comments between Part 1 & this Part 2, in AG 96:3-17 --
3) Upon the unity of God the law was built. In all the world there is one force; Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH) is Almighty God.
4) Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH) wrote upon the heavens and Moses read,

5) I am Almighty God and you shall have no God but me.
6) There is one force, but many phases of that force; these phases men call powers.

7) All powers are of God; and they are manifests of God; they are the Spirits of our God.

8) If men could seem to find another force and worship at its shrine, they would but court illusion, vain,

9) A shadow of the One, Jehovah (JHVH/YHWH), God, and they who worship shadows are but shadows on the wall; for men are what they court.

10) And God would have all men to be the substance, and in mercy he commanded, You shall seek no God but me.

11) And finite men can never comprehend infinite things. Man cannot make an image of the Infinite in force.

12) And when men make a God of stone or wood or clay they make an image of a shade; and they who worship at the shrine of shades are shades.
13) So God in mercy said, You shall not carve out images of wood, or clay, or stone.

14) Such idols are ideals, abased ideals, and men can gain no higher plane than their ideals.

15) The God is Spirit, and in spirit men must worship if they would attain a consciousness of God.

16) But man can never make a picture or an image of the Holy Breath.

17) The name of God man may not speak with carnal lips; with Holy Breath alone can man pronounce the name.


In other words, Jesus is simply saying it is time to put away your images, or any such thing as bowing down to anyone or any place, as God the Father awaits you in your heart (not your physical pump, nor by any body, or structure, but the spiritual heart).

Hmm, that seems to align with the portion found in the Book of Mormon Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:12/ LDS 4:15), that we should "call upon the Father in my name with a broken heart and a contrite spirit".

And in D&C 59 (CoC-RLDS vs.2e/ LDS vs.8), "Thou shalt offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in righteousness, even that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit."

Now, I do realize that many are hung up on two other quotes. One is found in Luke 11:23 which states "All things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it."

Hmm, this looks like a stump that trips you up, does it not? The other is found in the Book of Mormon Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:77/ LDS 3:14). It seems to be Jesus that shares with the Brother of Jared (this is Peleg in the OT) "Behold, I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and Son." Boy, that looks pretty tight, or in other words, without a doubt. However, there is a problem. In Luke he notes only to those he reveals it. And he does not clarify how he reveals it. Or how should I say or explain it, he does not clarify it as to how this can possibly be reconciled. For if you take note, the one speaking to Peleg (the Brother of Jared) states, "Behold this body, ye now behold, is the spirit of my body; and man have I created after the body of my spirit; and even as I appear unto thee to be in the spirit, will I appear unto my people in the flesh." Ether (CoC-RLDS 1:81/ LDS 3:16). Hmm, I see two angles to this. One is that what Peleg (BoF) is seeing is a body in spirit & that when the time comes, his spirit will be in a body as Jesus. The question I bring up, is are we referencing a higher level & a lower level? Therefore, even though One in a sense, perhaps two in another sense. Such as the Spiritual- aka the Father and the physical or embodiment in the flesh- aka the Son. Hold that thought!



If we run over to the Book of Revelation chapter 10, look at verse 7 carefully, John the Baptist (aka the "Divine/Seer" the true author of this grand vision) is told "But in the days of the voice of <<<the 7th angel>>>, when he shall begin to sound (speak), <<<the mystery of God>>> should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

As you should know, in coloring books sometimes we have dots to connect in order to get the picture with which then we can color. But we have to "connect" the dots before beholding it. In D&C CoC-RLDS 104:25a-29b/ LDS 107:53-57) a meeting was held of the descendants of Adam. Adam was about to finally die (pass on from the flesh at that era). It is revealed that Adam is also referred to as "Michael, the Prince, the Archangel". In other words, his Spiritual Self, HGA (Holy Guardian Angel), OverSoul, Angelic Self, or Higher Self, whatever you wish to call it. This was done in the area called Adam-ondi-Ahman. Pay attention to this phrase, as it too has many facets.

Now let's go back to Revelation Rev.12:6-7. It seems that there is to be a great battle ahead in which Michael gathers "His" angels. This is shared in D&C (CoC-RLDS 85:34c-f/ LDS 88:111-116) that Michael is identified as the 7th angel, the "archangel", who "gathers his armies, even the hosts of heaven". It says Michael shall fight their battles. But slipped in there nice & quietly, perhaps undetected, in Coc-RLDS verse 35d/ DLDs verse 112 it then claims this is the "battle of the 'great' God." It seems Michael shal fight their battles, but now it seems to refer to it as the battle of the great God. Chew on that for a bit.

In D&C (CoC-RLDS 26:2f/ LDS 27:11) we are shared further that "Michael, or Adam, is the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days". And in D&C (CoC-RLDS 28:7a/ LDS 29:26) that Michael is referred to as "mine archangel".

Hmm. in D&C (CoC-RLDS 77:3e-f,4d / LDS 78:15-16,20) we are shared further that the "foundations of Adam-ondi-Ahman" has been "established", "Michael, your prince, and established his feet, and set him upon high; and given him the keys of salvation". Then we are now equated that Jesus, "the Redeemer" is also referred to as the "Son Ahman." In Revelation 3:14, Jesus is given the term "Amen".

In case you did not know, there variants of this 3 letter word- AMN, be it Amen, Ahman, Aman, Ammon, Ammon, and so on. Do you get the picture?

Backing up to Revelation 10:7. Each of the angels' names have meanings or I might say "expressions" or certain "essences". The "El" is reference to "of God". Most angels have this tacked on to the portion that expresses them.
Michael's brief is akin to "He who is like God". In English, the portion mich/miche means "to do, or hide in secret or mystery". In Hebrew gematria, words of equal numerical value (by their letters) can be substituted for each other, in order to reveal more. It just so happens that the Hebrew words for Light & Mystery are of equal value, and therefore Michael is also akin to "Light of God" & "Mystery of God". Hmm, Rev. 10:7 relates the seventh angel & the Mystery of God.



In the 'Revelations of the Metatron', on page 68 fro one pillar in the golden pyramid in South America-
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"The Archangel Michael,
Was the first and most God-like,
With broad and strong Emotions
And filled with Energy and Knowledge."
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In the next portion, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel are mentioned as part of the 7 Archangel below Michael, in certain qualities.

In the case of he or she who starts a thing, only they can end THAT thing, The first Adam is the last Adam (Jesus). Adam-ondi-Ahman for instance, is also an equation Father Adam = Son Ahman. In Adam-ondi-Ahman there is also Ad-On-Ay or Ah-On-Ai (Adonay/Adonai) which means "Lord" or what the disciples used commonly to refer to Jesus- Adonay. And yet another revealed by Joseph Smith was Adam-ondi-Ahman which is Adam-on-Diamond or Adam's consecrated land. Interesting to note, is that diamonds or Herkimer diamonds somehow bring in Adam into the subject. Naturally, I don't seem to find my notebook with those notes. Perhaps it is revealing that Adam is a diamond in the rough. You might say that Jesus is the precious diamond after being honed & finished. Aha! I found my notes in my Book Notes notebook. This is from an encyclopedia. It seems Diamond- History- "The name diamond is derived from the Greek word 'adamas', meaning 'invincible'." Somehow, I have a tie-in with Herkimer diamonds, but the note here does not elaborate, just referenced where they are found. But it is interesting the words Adamas (invincible) akin to Adam (man) & Adamah (earth) & Adamu (Assyrian for make or produce). The Jews or Hebrews also believed the name Adam (ADM) incorporated or contained 3 related names (facets or incarnations)- Adam/David/Messiah.

Speaking of the Book of Revelation. You see, John was held captive for well over a year in jail/prison before being beheaded. There is an interesting situartion presented which helps to explain a question John had to Jesus while in prison. Sitting around, you have lots of time to meditate as well as project (meaning an O-B-E). Which is most interesting, as Revelation notes that John was "in the spirit" on the Isle of Patmos. In other words, he was in a higher spiritual body of himself, not there physically. The old story in the Catholic Church was that it was John the Beloved, who was exiled to Patmos, had the vision, then wrote it down, and died there. However, they have been looking into that as perhaps some tale that was spun that might not be accurate. We'uns in the restoration groups, because of what is noted in the last book of John & the Book of Mormon, we tend to think that John the Beloved was allowed to transform or "tarry" at a certain age, just like the 3 Nephites. That right there throws out the bit of John the Beloved dying there on Patmos. So the old assumptions start to crumble. But then over in the Book of Mormon, it states that this author (who wrote it down) is one of the 12 Apostles. So naturally, you ID him as John the Beloved. But, there is something most are not aware of, which I mentioned earlier. After Judas committed suicide, there were only 11 at the Lord's Supper. Oral traditions point to John the Baptist as an invisible participant taking the place of Judas, who was eventually replaced with another- Matthias.

Now, an interesting twist as to WHO---
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from Academy #19 (5-7-1997)
Now, the heart of the heart of #19, is an excerpt from "The Law of One, Bk.3" and is copyrighted in 1982 by L/L Research (in my L/L 8 1/2 x 11 ed.-5th print 4-88). The quotes I will share are from p.128 (session #74 dated 10-28-81) and p.132 (#75 dated 10-31-81). It concerns the concepts of space & time, and how the Logos/WORD/Name has power BEFORE space and time and built all that IS. So, here it is for your review:
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Bk.3, p.128(#74)---Excerpt QUOTE---

RA: I am Ra. This query borders upon over-specifity. It is most important for the adept to feel its own growth as teach/leaner.
We may only say that you correctly surmise the paramount import of the magical personality. This is a study in itself. With the appropriate emotional will, polarity, and purity, work may be done with or without proper sound vibration complexes. However, there is no need for the blunt instrument when the scalpel is available.

QUESTIONER: I assume that the reason that the rituals that have been used previously are of effect is that these words have built a bias in consciousness of those who have worked in these areas so that those who are of a distortion of mind that we seek will respond to imprint in consciousness of this series of words. Is this correct?

RA: I am Ra. This is, to a great extent, correct. The exception is the sounding of some of what you call your Hebrew and some of what you call your Sanskrit vowels. These sound-vibration-complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light, which built all that there is.

QUESTIONER: How did the users of these sounds, Sanskrit and Hebrew, determine what these sounds were?

RA: I am Ra. In the case of the Hebrew that entity known as Yahweh [YHWH] aided this knowledge through impression upon the material of genetic coding which became language, as you call it.
In the case of Sanskrit the sound vibrations are are pure due to the lack of previous, what you call, alphabet or letter-naming. Thus the sound vibration complexes seemed to fall into place as from the Logos. This was a more, shall we say, natural or unaided situation or process. ... ---UNQUOTE Excerpt---
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In other words, these "Sound-Vibration-Complexes" were implanted to Adam & Eve and their descendants, in their genetic codings. Plus it is another reference to WHO is in charge- Yahweh (YHWH/IHVH).

In the "Revelations of the Metatron', it is shared that in Adam are the "coils of life" on pp.166-167, in which Adam & Eve are to pass on.

In the Jewish writings, they share that is was Michael who was at/in the Burning Bush, who spoke to Moses. They also reveal that Israel (the people or souls) have two celestial angel guardians- Michael & Gabriel. Michael is or has a title akin to other variants similar to the one previously mentioned- "he who is like God".

Gabriel also has quiet a few, such as Messenger, Revealer, Rock, and also "Apostle". As for Gabriel, "gabbro" means rock. In Daniel 12, we seem to have two characters- which it is assumed one is Michael. These two are speaking across the river (meaning across realms). It is Michael (from a higher realm) instructing Gabriel (the Messenger) in this physical realm.

What if we might find additional "dots" to get a larger picture of what we are to see? Looking further into the Cayce Readings, it is revealed that Jesus played the part of Adam introducing death, to which he will overcome, as Jesus (last Adam). The Cayce Readings also note that Jesus had been Joshua (who was allowed into the Promised Land), as well as Joseph of Egypt. And Michael is referred to as the "Lord of the Way" in the Cayce Readings. In ancient texts, Michael is also associated with "Word" & "Son". Michael is also referred to as "Deus Angelorum" which means "God of the Angels", the Great Father Osiris-Michael, Lord Osiris, Archangel of angels, and "the god who light the way". In the Jewish text, Michael is the Intercessor of prayers who takes them to God. In mainstream Christianity, it is Jesus who seems to carry this function. And of course, we know that Jesus is associated with "the Way".

In fact, you know this by yet another analogy given to you, be it in the D&C or in the Book of Mormon. This is the parable of the Lord & servant of the vineyard. This parable, if you sit back & look at its depth, there are only two players here constantly involved (just like the two celestial guardians of Israel (the elect souls, not the country). And they "adjust" things (tend to the vineyard) at many different time intervals. In other words, you have the same Lord & the same servant, but they intervene periodically across time. One being Michael (either as Michael or an incarnation) & one being Gabriel (either as Gabriel or an incarnation, maybe more than the Lord). In the case of Elijah, when he left, he did not die, I mentioned he literally walked into heaven & ceased on the physical side. But did you know that where Elijah was taken up at the Jordan River, John the Baptist began his ministry at the very same spot on the Jordan River? Which of course is the focal point that Jesus even touched on. In the AG version of the NT, Jesus explains that John the Baptist was the very Elijah who did not taste of death, but merely walked into heaven. Later in the IV of RLDS-CoC & the JST, Jesus shares that John & Elijah are the same soul & will come again to restore all things.

At one point while John was in prison, he sent his disciples to inquire of Jesus. First off, he was Jesus' cousin. He was raised at first with Jesus as well as both had fled to Egypt with parents. At certain times they were taught & assisted by the Essenes at Qumran. So John pretty well knew all about Jesus & the prophecies. Haven't you ever wondered why he seemed to show doubts? It was because of the "collective" vision by way of an O-B-E on the Isle of Patmos. This "Book of Revelation" seemed as if it would all presently take place, or would it play out over a span of time. It is because of this, that he had questions. Not only that, John/Elijah was called the greatest of the seers by Jesus in the AG, but this vision was such a grand or magnitude of one, he wanted some assistance on interpretation. Jesus shares many things but never actually gave a definitive answer.

Backing up to Jesus & Joseph of Egypt. In the apocryphal book- "Joseph & Aseneth" (his wife), Aseneth has problems with Joseph. But Michael appears & tells her that Joseph & she are to me married. She records that Joseph looked identical to Michael, except that Michael looked more angelic.

Now we head back to Revelation 10. It seems John (the Baptist) aka Elijah is told to retrieve the little book. This prophecy is dual. This is him as Joseph Smith bringing forth the Book of Mormon. Yet, in a later time, it is reference to a task assignment, to which is noted as Elias (aka Elijah) as yet in another lifetime as "the rod of Jesse" or OMAS (One Mighty & Strong) Refer to D&C (LDS only/ there is no cross in CoC-RLDS) 113:3-4 & 77:14Q&A.

But take note of Revelation 10:7 in that when Michael comes forth (7th angel) ---the "Mystery of God" will be finished, giving us a hint that something astounding is to be revealed. This will be when he & Gabriel meet up once again across realms, but actually Gabriel's current projection (incarnation). See Joseph's Patriarchal Blessing which is from 1835 by Oliver Cowdery who was shown it & it was declared of these things. There is also the 1834 Patriarchal Blessing by JS,sr. but my focus for now is two portions of the 1835 one. Oliver inquired of the ONE & was granted a vision, in which he not only was shown these things, but a voice declared them as well. And Oliver recorded them. While sharing, he notes in 4 verses that he too will be involved with Joseph in the gathering of Israel.


Here are a few snips I will touch upon---

10. Like Jacob of old he SHALL wrestle with the angel, and as a prince SHALL he have power with God, and SHALL prevail.

14. From amid the burning bush, like Moses of old, SHALL he hear the voice, saying, I am the God of thy fathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, I have seen the affliction of my people and have come down to deliver them:
15. Go thou, and say to the strength of my house, "To your tents, O Israel: build up the wastes and raise up the foundation of desolation that this generation has made".

16. Thus SHALL he be honored of the Lord, and thus SHALL it be recorded of him, that the generation to come may bless his name, in Israel, saying, "The Lord make thee as Joseph the Seer, who was of the house of Ephraim the brother of Manasseh:
17. The Lord do thee good, and bring peace and blessings among thy house of Joseph the Seer, who was raised up a choice vine from the stem of Jacob through the root of Joseph, even that Joseph who was separated from his Brethren";

12. But ere his foes are aware he SHALL be hid under the pavillion of the Lord Jehovah;
26. He SHALL be a sure arrow in the bow of his God; for he SHALL be hid under the shadow of his wing.
29. His fame SHALL be sounded in foreign lands, even to the ends of the earth, as well as nigh at home: for in this the times SHALL change, a prophet SHALL have honor in his own country.


In #10 it says JS (future incarnation) will have a "pineal/Peniel" experience. What most do not realize is that this activation employs the pineal gland, which links us to a vast mult-dimensional/spiritual access. And again, most do not know that to activate it, you must "tickle" it. In the East, they use the word/seed sound- AUM or OM. In Eckankar, they use HU. Either path leads to opening the pathway if one is of pure heart. Some modern day seers such as Edgar Cayce, Aron Abrahamsen, and so on, speak of one to come- not his real name, but refer to him as John Peniel. And some say he is or was Elijah/John the Baptist in the past.

In #14-15 JS (future incarnation) will also have what is akin to Moses' Burning Bush experience. It was Michael who spoke from the Burning Bush, according to the ancient Hebrew texts. Note that it does say build up the wastes, as if something had occurred.


I think I have presented enough evidence that Michael is the representative of the YHWH (IHVH), so in a sense, he is assigned the title of YHWH (Yahweh), but he is merely a messenger.

For the true (ultimate) God (the ONE) is much like the Eckankar term- the SUGMAD (The Infinite Ocean of Love & Mercy), meaning the infinite cannot be confined to something finite.

In conclusion, Michael is representative of YHWH (IHVH), yet Jesus is, as well, same thing, but different aspects or facets. But it goes even much further than that.

No.
You've written a convoluted mishmash that you think proves your point, but it does not, if you are even making any point at all.

Start with this: that the entire world is deceived.
Next consider that some of the names you have dropped are involved in this deception.
If you look closely enough, you will see it.
But I suspect you won't.

[Lynn]

FrankOne noted:
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This is all a matrix for experience. Figuring out the matrix and all of the multiple roles of individuals, through different time periods, is not really helpful because it's the simple experience that has value, not the understanding of the "why" and less important, the "how".
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We came around the bend on the Guadalupe River & the sign up above stated:

WARNING
Slumber Falls
Need River Experience

I and a friend had taken challenges like this & rode it out, as people watched on the side as many others got wiped out. We stood on our tubes with bottoms entourage and prevailed This was during the summer of 1979.

It is true, experiences is what we all are doing. Like a coloring book that does not have to picture already drawn, but instead of that, it uses "connect the dots" in order to get the picture. Currently, you might say I am connecting the dots for what is to be experienced in the physical plane before the end of this decade. That is about as simple as I can state it.

For noting of us here for "experiences"- Sarah Breskman-Cosme's two books on Atlantis & the Sphinx had the "THREE" (Thoth) cut in & share a portion of what it is all about.

Time runs in cycles (spirals), history repeats itself. Therefore, to understand the past, allows one to succeed in overcoming previous failures. Everybody is waiting for Jesus to fix things first. It did not happen that way. One example is noted by Malachi towards the end. We must make efforts to meet in the middle.

[Lynn]

"ithink" ..
from your comments-
If you wished to retain your answer, why did you even ask the question?

Michael retains the staus of being the assigned agent of IHVH (YHWH), regardless.
Of which since Jesus is the culmination of Michael, he is included in that. Separate yet One.

[FrankOne]

FrankOne noted:
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This is all a matrix for experience. Figuring out the matrix and all of the multiple roles of individuals, through different time periods, is not really helpful because it's the simple experience that has value, not the understanding of the "why" and less important, the "how".
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We came around the bend on the Guadalupe River & the sign up above stated:

WARNING
Slumber Falls
Need River Experience

I and a friend had taken challenges like this & rode it out, as people watched on the side as many others got wiped out. We stood on our tubes with bottoms entourage and prevailed This was during the summer of 1979.

It is true, experiences is what we all are doing. Like a coloring book that does not have to picture already drawn, but instead of that, it uses "connect the dots" in order to get the picture. Currently, you might say I am connecting the dots for what is to be experienced in the physical plane before the end of this decade. That is about as simple as I can state it.

For noting of us here for "experiences"- Sarah Breskman-Cosme's two books on Atlantis & the Sphinx had the "THREE" (Thoth) cut in & share a portion of what it is all about.

Time runs in cycles (spirals), history repeats itself. Therefore, to understand the past, allows one to succeed in overcoming previous failures. Everybody is waiting for Jesus to fix things first. It did not happen that way. One example is noted by Malachi towards the end. We must make efforts to meet in the middle.

I understand your point , and well taken.

I tried , in my post, to give enough leeway for learning enough detail to understand the pitfalls of ignorance. It's the micro details that I percieve as unnecessary, BUT...still necessary for the few that seek them.

in very short: My general perspective: There is no wrong path.

[Lynn]

You're doing fine. Enjoy the journey! However, bumpy ride ahead, requires preparation.

[FrankOne]

You're doing fine. Enjoy the journey! However, bumpy ride ahead, requires preparation.

The path less trod is not smooth.