Yahweh is...

[nightlight]

[nightlight]

For the LDS too

[Lynn]

response to "ithink" ...

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Who do you think Yahweh is?
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Part 1

This is a double barrel shotgun question. First is exactly "WHAT" is Yahweh or YHWH should be defined first & foremost.

1st of all, the Tetragrammaton or the 4 Lettered Name of God, is the essence of the words which have been presented as Yahweh, Yahveh, Yah, Jehovah, and the list goes on. They are as IHVH/YHWH/YHVH/JHWH/JHVH to name a few of its variants in English letters. The titles of these 4 letters in the Hebrew glyphs are Iod/Jod/Yod; Hai/Hay/He; Vau/Vav/Vaw/Vo; and back again to the 2nd H which is the same as the first H as to letter-glyph titles. Here are a few rules in your transference of Hebrew into English equivalents: I/J/Y can be utilized. U/V/W also can be utilized. E is actually the combination of the AI/AY. And O is the culmination of AU/AV/AW. One example of O=AU is the word OM or AUM. All of these things are clues into the understanding of the Tetragrammaton or the LOGOS/GOSPEL.

Interestingly, the actual name Eve (you might say this is akin to a Greek rendering) is from the Hebrew Havah or HVH.

However, the equivalence is also found in these 3 lettered Names of God-- IAO, IEU, JEU, JEW, YAO, EIO, and are referring to the same thing. They are KEY facets in refinding the LOST WORD/NAME. Actually it can also be listed as I-ae-uo. This last breakdown of three sections of the five listed letters (English equivalents) are also more clues. I = Iod & the I is pronounced as "EE", and this is found in some texts & teachings. But the other 6 (or 4) are combined. What is occurring, is an interesting blend of specific vowels, which cannot be actually recorded or catalogued so to speak. Herein lies the "mystery" or the decoding of the 7 vowels. It can also be listed in a unique 4 letter combination as well- I-EVE or I-Eve which is the same as using I-HVH.

Let me explain just a hint of what is noted here. In a symbol. you have a dot enclosed in a circle. The dot is the I & within the circle around it, is the NOT-I. You have a description of a Male & Female conjoined. The "I" is the Male, while the EVE or HVH is the Feminine, referred to as "Eve, the Mother of All Living".

In Hebrew, the vowels are considered to be sacred, therefore the Hebrew alphabet mainly consists of consonants. The Greek Gnostics referred to the Sacredness of Vowels and the Mystery of the 7 Vowels. I noted 5 in I-ae-uo, but there are actually two that have a long & a short form (in pronunciation, making the 5 really 7 total. While you may not realize it, John the Baptist has referred to these 7 Vowels in his Book of Revelation as "the 7 Thunders". The 7 Greek vowels: a, short e, long e, i, short 0, u, long o.

The Hebrew equivalent throws in the 4th letter as it represents a facet that has been lost. The 4th is contained within the 3rd and is noted as "Double Delights". But these 3 main letter representations are reflected and noted as the Trinity in Christianity, Trimurti in Hinduism, and the Triad in other cultures. Basically all religions & cultures have within their portions, clues as to the pronunciation of the NAME/WORD.

Even the LOGOS doctrine of John the Baptist as found in John chapter 1 has variants which help to understand different facets. For instance, from the Greek, we read "in the Beginning was the Logos". In the IV (Inspired Version) of the Bible (also noted as JST) presented by Joseph Smith, it is found as "in the Beginning was the GOSPEL". If there is a Hebrew version, it would read, "in the Beginning was the SHEM". But one stands out in the Welsh version of John 1, it states, "in the Beginning were the TRIPLE SHOUTS". And there is also a little more verification of what that meant. Now Logos is defined as the "Divine Word". Gospel is thought to be "Good News", but that is watered down from what it was originally meant. Gospel was a compound word derived from "God Spell", which meant the "Divine Name". And the Welsh Version "Triple Shouts", or Three Shouts, is giving a clue that the Name/Word had 3 portions or Tones (Trinity/Trimurti, or Triad) as to its pronunciation. "Co-instantaneously, with the Voice was Light, and in the Light, form, and the Voice was in three tones, three vocalizations, pronounced together at the same moment."

The understanding of the 10 Commandments, as to not using any graven image, is because reverence is due to the NAME/WORD which created all there is. In other words, there is no actual personage as in a person, therefore you should not bow down to any image or person. Refer to Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Ephesians 3:14; and Philippians 2:9-10. As you read, perhaps you now realize that you should not bow to any person, including Jesus. If you read these portions in the OT as well as the NT, both note one should bow down to the NAME/WORD. Jesus also explained that God is Spirit & Truth, not an image or personage.

The High Priests eventually went in once a year into the Holy of Holies to pronounce the NAME/WORD. I am betting after a few years of that, it was forgotten as to its exactness. It became an empty ritual, or an empty Word (void of its essence). In fact, Jesus explained that they had the Key (which is the Name/Word) & did not use it, nor would they let others. Refer to IV/JST Matthew 23:10 or KJV vs.13; Luke 11:52 or vs.53; or AG 108:31-32 and 154:14-18.

Think of me as akin to an Indian Scout sent ahead to see what lies in the pathway. I was sent in research to rediscover the Lost Word back in the late 1980s. Perhaps you have not heard the definition of the Lost Word, which is believed by the Kabbalists & Freemasons that the WORD, now lost, will in the future reappear and reveal the enigma of creation. In fact, Joseph Smith mirrors this very thought when his rendering of the IV (Inspired Version) or JST (Joseph Smith Translation) of the Bible is completely understood. I am speaking of IV/JST Genesis 5:44-45 as it speaks of this GOSPEL will be preached in the Beginning, as well as the End. In this , it is referring to the God Spell being the NAME/WORD.

I think the 'Law of ONE' (Book 3 by L/L Research) states it best, as it refers to IT (the NAME/WORD) as a "Sound-Vibration-Complex". Here are a few snips---
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"The exception is the sounding of some of what you call your Hebrew and some of what you call your Sanskrit vowels. These sound vibration complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light which built all that there is."

"... the linkage is mathematical or that of the ratio you may consider musical. There are those whose mind complex activities would attempt to resolve this mathematical ratio but at present the coloration of the intoned vowel is a part of the vibration which cannot be accurately measured. However, it is equivalent to types of rotation of your primary material particles."

"You may consider the concept of sympathetic resonance. When certain sounds are correctly vibrated , the creation sings."

"It would be perhaps more accurate to state that in this circumstance the creation becomes more and more contained within the practitioner."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Elsewhere in 'The Law of ONE' 4 books, the Male & Female creator is Light (male) & Love (female) by use of this one particular "Sound-Vibration-Complex".

The ONE is Three & the Three is ONE. Or in long terms, the ONE became Two, which became Three, which became Four, which became Seven. Simply put, the ONE WORD/NAME is composed of 3 syllables which was derived from the Seven Vowels.

Each of the three syllables has inherent one of the 3 main components (powers of creation, etc.-- that which creates (the Father) [Brahma]; that which Destroys, Transforms, Transmutes, Converts, or Revivifies (the Holy Spirit/Mother) [Shiva]; and that which Saves, Heals, Preserves, or Redeems (the Son or Son/Daughter aka "Double Delights") [Vishnu].

A sidenote, in the AG, Jesus explains that when gold is cast into the fire, it separates the impurities, and the gold is retained in purity. In other words, it seems to be destroyed but is cleansed or Transmuted. It is revivified.

In the Egyptian angle, IAO is notes as I = Isis (Nature that creates), A = Apepi or Apophis (the Destroyer), and O = Osiris (the Redeemer). These 3 essences or powers are always being presented- Create/ Destroy (Transform/Revivify/Transmute/Convert), and Save (Heal/Redeem/Preserves). Think of this formula as I-H-V or I-A-O or I-E-U in comparison to E = MC2 or Energy (Spirit) Transmuting into Matter (Element) and Back, in a sort of reciprocal manner. Also refer to D&C (CoC-RLDS 90:5a-6a/ LDS 93:29-37). In the E = MC2 equation the equal sign is the conversion point, same as noted in the NAME/WORD as a Destroyer (in Hinduism or Egyptian Thought) or the Holy Spirit (in the Christian Trinity).

Now many will claim the Creator is a Man (or Woman), because it notes we are created in the image of God, so it has to be that way? Not so, as if you stack the 4 Hebrew glyphs (IHVH), as found on pp. 179 & 190 of Charles Ponce's book- 'Kabbalah' (1973 or 1991 5th edition), you will see that the Vau glyph is tucked into the first He glyph, making it appear to be a structure or image of a man/woman. The I is the head & neck. The top H are the shoulders & the arms hanging down. The Vau glyph is up in between the arms to represent the chest, heart & torso. The bottom H are the hips & the legs. Ponce adds "The Tetragrammaton symbolizing the body of man & the process of creation within him." Below the 4 glyphs are noted as Father/Mother/Son/Bride. When you see the illustration set up by Ponce, it is recognized in a split second.

I could share several books worth of my compilation of research on the NAME/WORD, but we will have to skim the surface for now.

I guess we'll stop here for Part 1.

Part 2 defines "WHO".

[SJR3t2]

What did Joseph say about gazing into heaven for a few minutes, vs. everything ever written on the matter.

I'm waiting.

Ask away.

What does that have to do with the subject at hand? Not to mention JS also taught us that new revelation from YHWH will NOT contradict prev revelations from YHWH.

If you can't see what it means, it would mean less if I were to tell you.

The great part about YHWH, is he's consistent.
That makes him easy to distinguish from Christ.

Oh I understand what you were alluding. You are not brave enough to come out and say it. All the scriptures teach that Yeshua is the Father Elohim.

[FrankOne]

I do find v54 above to be very ambiguous. It appears to be intentionally cryptic. First, I can not conceive of God 'honoring' Christ. Second, he is talking in riddles in the second portion, although I am guessing that it is clear to you so....therefore, we won't agree.

I am choosing not to argue the fine points of interpretation. We disagree.

If you believe that Christ honors a God that massacres people and commands men to massacre cities to inherit the promised land, then that is your belief, but it is not a belief that I can agree with notwithstanding scriptures which may be interpreted to disprove my standing.

First, I guess you are the only one to consider a direct statement cryptic. Jesus said many times he honored his father and he said many times his father sent him, and he said many times the Jews worshipped his father. They are not that cryptic.

Second, I think you should try to read my posts and statements a bit slower............................. I said clearly (before) that I don't accept the post-Babylonian deuteronimists statements of the take over of the holy land. If you read commentaries and study it, you will find that portion of the bible to be written so that Jews can lay claim to the land on their return after fall of Babylon. The harshness and statements are to show the locals (Samaritans brought there by Babylonians and poor locals left behind) had no right to the land or involvement in the temple. I don't accept Moses and Joshua were commanded to kill everyone and everything. And, btw history shows they didn't. No big wars, shared pottery and designs, common DNA, etc.... They integrated, not decimated. This narrative was created by the Deuteronimists in Babylon. IMO.

Either way, it doesn't matter here. This is the LDS FF, not Catholic FF, so we can and should use LDS definitions and terms, (unless otherwise making them up). In LDS terms (Joseph Smith) Jehovah is "the Father" as Jesus stated. Now, current LDS (RMN) just made a declaration Jehovah is Jesus or was Jesus I should say. I openly rejected that statement above and some how you missed that as well.

In a previous post, we argued that I said that I was taught by the spirit (very recently I might add) that Jehovah is the father and is Adam. At least that is what the spirit "yelled" to me until I accepted it. It took a while for me to accept that BY could have been right on this. But 3 times the spirit came and said the same thing over several days.

So, I guess I don't care who or what you think Jehovah is, it doesn't affect me. I don't wish it to affect others. You glibly say you will not argue scriptures, while you sit here and tell the readers Jehovah is evil, or Odin or someone? Really, how quaint?

Make no mistake, i did not say Jehovah is evil. I said he was necessary. He has a mission like all beings do. My point of view is very different than yours . I promote faith in Christ and I see that as all that is necessary. I do not follow angry, jealous, vengeful beings although many people need that type of leader.

[TheDuke]

Make no mistake, i did not say Jehovah is evil. I said he was necessary. He has a mission like all beings do. My point of view is very different than yours . I promote faith in Christ and I see that as all that is necessary. I do not follow angry, jealous, vengeful beings although many people need that type of leader.

I only follow a loving god myself. I said that all those OT reports of unnecessary harshness are false statements of the deuteronomists. I too see all that is necessary is faith in Christ to obtain salvation. By faith I mean accepting, baptism, and becoming perfect and justified. Faith alone, as in belief is IMO meaningless or at best a start.

However, Jesus was also at times harsh, not unnecessarily so, but never-the-less harsh, angry, and jealous, that is jealous in the form of not being able to bless someone that follows other gods (if you accept that as jealous).

[logonbump]

...the fiery Spirit who is God. God descends and takes on flesh to act as a Son following father's will (spirit) so we can have someone he (God above) gave us to look to and emulate, if we would be his children, too.
The harshness we cannot conceive of belonging to the same god is the result of the inmate truthful and righteous nature the father, he cannot permit certain things and has to fulfill all his promises.

[ithink]

What does that have to do with the subject at hand? Not to mention JS also taught us that new revelation from YHWH will NOT contradict prev revelations from YHWH.

If you can't see what it means, it would mean less if I were to tell you.

The great part about YHWH, is he's consistent.
That makes him easy to distinguish from Christ.

Oh I understand what you were alluding. You are not brave enough to come out and say it. All the scriptures teach that Yeshua is the Father Elohim.

Brave enough. lol

You sure like to banter around and drop names and make outlandish statements, such as the above.
And hurl insults.

We all know Yeshua is just the literation of Jesus from Hebrew to Greek.
We all know that Jesus is not the father, but some will argue he is.
I suppose you could call the father Elohim, but I would not often.
Some might call the father Ehieh, but I would just prefer El, or even just father.

You see, way back in Exodus Moses was quite concerned that the children of Israel needed names.
Names, give us names, names are so important to us!
Today it's an epidemic it seems. Ehieh, Hochma, Iah, El, Elohim, Elchai, Sadai.
Just drop a few names and poof - you're some kind of scholar.

But not really.
None of that matters.
Unless you are as dumb as the Israeilites were.
"Give us a name you SOB".

I speak English.
If you do not speak Greek, you have no business calling Jesus Yeshua.
Or god El or Elohim or whatever.
That is virtue signalling.

However, some names are useful to understand.
Such as Lucifer.
Yahweh.
And the serpent, the devil, the father of lies.

It appears you do not understand what I was alluding.
Yahweh is consistent.
He must be, as he is on a mission.
To exalt himself above the most high.

Above Adonai.
Above Eloah.
Above El.
Above father.

And you are helping him.

[ithink]

response to "ithink" ...

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Who do you think Yahweh is?
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Part 1

This is a double barrel shotgun question. First is exactly "WHAT" is Yahweh or YHWH should be defined first & foremost.

1st of all, the Tetragrammaton or the 4 Lettered Name of God, is the essence of the words which have been presented as Yahweh, Yahveh, Yah, Jehovah, and the list goes on. They are as IHVH/YHWH/YHVH/JHWH/JHVH to name a few of its variants in English letters. The titles of these 4 letters in the Hebrew glyphs are Iod/Jod/Yod; Hai/Hay/He; Vau/Vav/Vaw/Vo; and back again to the 2nd H which is the same as the first H as to letter-glyph titles. Here are a few rules in your transference of Hebrew into English equivalents: I/J/Y can be utilized. U/V/W also can be utilized. E is actually the combination of the AI/AY. And O is the culmination of AU/AV/AW. One example of O=AU is the word OM or AUM. All of these things are clues into the understanding of the Tetragrammaton or the LOGOS/GOSPEL.

Interestingly, the actual name Eve (you might say this is akin to a Greek rendering) is from the Hebrew Havah or HVH.

However, the equivalence is also found in these 3 lettered Names of God-- IAO, IEU, JEU, JEW, YAO, EIO, and are referring to the same thing. They are KEY facets in refinding the LOST WORD/NAME. Actually it can also be listed as I-ae-uo. This last breakdown of three sections of the five listed letters (English equivalents) are also more clues. I = Iod & the I is pronounced as "EE", and this is found in some texts & teachings. But the other 6 (or 4) are combined. What is occurring, is an interesting blend of specific vowels, which cannot be actually recorded or catalogued so to speak. Herein lies the "mystery" or the decoding of the 7 vowels. It can also be listed in a unique 4 letter combination as well- I-EVE or I-Eve which is the same as using I-HVH.

Let me explain just a hint of what is noted here. In a symbol. you have a dot enclosed in a circle. The dot is the I & within the circle around it, is the NOT-I. You have a description of a Male & Female conjoined. The "I" is the Male, while the EVE or HVH is the Feminine, referred to as "Eve, the Mother of All Living".

In Hebrew, the vowels are considered to be sacred, therefore the Hebrew alphabet mainly consists of consonants. The Greek Gnostics referred to the Sacredness of Vowels and the Mystery of the 7 Vowels. I noted 5 in I-ae-uo, but there are actually two that have a long & a short form (in pronunciation, making the 5 really 7 total. While you may not realize it, John the Baptist has referred to these 7 Vowels in his Book of Revelation as "the 7 Thunders". The 7 Greek vowels: a, short e, long e, i, short 0, u, long o.

The Hebrew equivalent throws in the 4th letter as it represents a facet that has been lost. The 4th is contained within the 3rd and is noted as "Double Delights". But these 3 main letter representations are reflected and noted as the Trinity in Christianity, Trimurti in Hinduism, and the Triad in other cultures. Basically all religions & cultures have within their portions, clues as to the pronunciation of the NAME/WORD.

Even the LOGOS doctrine of John the Baptist as found in John chapter 1 has variants which help to understand different facets. For instance, from the Greek, we read "in the Beginning was the Logos". In the IV (Inspired Version) of the Bible (also noted as JST) presented by Joseph Smith, it is found as "in the Beginning was the GOSPEL". If there is a Hebrew version, it would read, "in the Beginning was the SHEM". But one stands out in the Welsh version of John 1, it states, "in the Beginning were the TRIPLE SHOUTS". And there is also a little more verification of what that meant. Now Logos is defined as the "Divine Word". Gospel is thought to be "Good News", but that is watered down from what it was originally meant. Gospel was a compound word derived from "God Spell", which meant the "Divine Name". And the Welsh Version "Triple Shouts", or Three Shouts, is giving a clue that the Name/Word had 3 portions or Tones (Trinity/Trimurti, or Triad) as to its pronunciation. "Co-instantaneously, with the Voice was Light, and in the Light, form, and the Voice was in three tones, three vocalizations, pronounced together at the same moment."

The understanding of the 10 Commandments, as to not using any graven image, is because reverence is due to the NAME/WORD which created all there is. In other words, there is no actual personage as in a person, therefore you should not bow down to any image or person. Refer to Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Ephesians 3:14; and Philippians 2:9-10. As you read, perhaps you now realize that you should not bow to any person, including Jesus. If you read these portions in the OT as well as the NT, both note one should bow down to the NAME/WORD. Jesus also explained that God is Spirit & Truth, not an image or personage.

The High Priests eventually went in once a year into the Holy of Holies to pronounce the NAME/WORD. I am betting after a few years of that, it was forgotten as to its exactness. It became an empty ritual, or an empty Word (void of its essence). In fact, Jesus explained that they had the Key (which is the Name/Word) & did not use it, nor would they let others. Refer to IV/JST Matthew 23:10 or KJV vs.13; Luke 11:52 or vs.53; or AG 108:31-32 and 154:14-18.

Think of me as akin to an Indian Scout sent ahead to see what lies in the pathway. I was sent in research to rediscover the Lost Word back in the late 1980s. Perhaps you have not heard the definition of the Lost Word, which is believed by the Kabbalists & Freemasons that the WORD, now lost, will in the future reappear and reveal the enigma of creation. In fact, Joseph Smith mirrors this very thought when his rendering of the IV (Inspired Version) or JST (Joseph Smith Translation) of the Bible is completely understood. I am speaking of IV/JST Genesis 5:44-45 as it speaks of this GOSPEL will be preached in the Beginning, as well as the End. In this , it is referring to the God Spell being the NAME/WORD.

I think the 'Law of ONE' (Book 3 by L/L Research) states it best, as it refers to IT (the NAME/WORD) as a "Sound-Vibration-Complex". Here are a few snips---
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The exception is the sounding of some of what you call your Hebrew and some of what you call your Sanskrit vowels. These sound vibration complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light which built all that there is."

"... the linkage is mathematical or that of the ratio you may consider musical. There are those whose mind complex activities would attempt to resolve this mathematical ratio but at present the coloration of the intoned vowel is a part of the vibration which cannot be accurately measured. However, it is equivalent to types of rotation of your primary material particles."

"You may consider the concept of sympathetic resonance. When certain sounds are correctly vibrated , the creation sings."

"It would be perhaps more accurate to state that in this circumstance the creation becomes more and more contained within the practitioner."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Elsewhere in 'The Law of ONE' 4 books, the Male & Female creator is Light (male) & Love (female) by use of this one particular "Sound-Vibration-Complex".

The ONE is Three & the Three is ONE. Or in long terms, the ONE became Two, which became Three, which became Four, which became Seven. Simply put, the ONE WORD/NAME is composed of 3 syllables which was derived from the Seven Vowels.

Each of the three syllables has inherent one of the 3 main components (powers of creation, etc.-- that which creates (the Father) [Brahma]; that which Destroys, Transforms, Transmutes, Converts, or Revivifies (the Holy Spirit/Mother) [Shiva]; and that which Saves, Heals, Preserves, or Redeems (the Son or Son/Daughter aka "Double Delights") [Vishnu].

A sidenote, in the AG, Jesus explains that when gold is cast into the fire, it separates the impurities, and the gold is retained in purity. In other words, it seems to be destroyed but is cleansed or Transmuted. It is revivified.

In the Egyptian angle, IAO is notes as I = Isis (Nature that creates), A = Apepi or Apophis (the Destroyer), and O = Osiris (the Redeemer). These 3 essences or powers are always being presented- Create/ Destroy (Transform/Revivify/Transmute/Convert), and Save (Heal/Redeem/Preserves). Think of this formula as I-H-V or I-A-O or I-E-U in comparison to E = MC2 or Energy (Spirit) Transmuting into Matter (Element) and Back, in a sort of reciprocal manner. Also refer to D&C (CoC-RLDS 90:5a-6a/ LDS 93:29-37). In the E = MC2 equation the equal sign is the conversion point, same as noted in the NAME/WORD as a Destroyer (in Hinduism or Egyptian Thought) or the Holy Spirit (in the Christian Trinity).

Now many will claim the Creator is a Man (or Woman), because it notes we are created in the image of God, so it has to be that way? Not so, as if you stack the 4 Hebrew glyphs (IHVH), as found on pp. 179 & 190 of Charles Ponce's book- 'Kabbalah' (1973 or 1991 5th edition), you will see that the Vau glyph is tucked into the first He glyph, making it appear to be a structure or image of a man/woman. The I is the head & neck. The top H are the shoulders & the arms hanging down. The Vau glyph is up in between the arms to represent the chest, heart & torso. The bottom H are the hips & the legs. Ponce adds "The Tetragrammaton symbolizing the body of man & the process of creation within him." Below the 4 glyphs are noted as Father/Mother/Son/Bride. When you see the illustration set up by Ponce, it is recognized in a split second.

I could share several books worth of my compilation of research on the NAME/WORD, but we will have to skim the surface for now.

I guess we'll stop here for Part 1.

Part 2 defines "WHO".

Holy , did you write this or this the almight tetragrammaton CTRL-c CTRL-v at play?

[ithink]

Make no mistake, i did not say Jehovah is evil. I said he was necessary. He has a mission like all beings do. My point of view is very different than yours . I promote faith in Christ and I see that as all that is necessary. I do not follow angry, jealous, vengeful beings although many people need that type of leader.

I only follow a loving god myself. I said that all those OT reports of unnecessary harshness are false statements of the deuteronomists. I too see all that is necessary is faith in Christ to obtain salvation. By faith I mean accepting, baptism, and becoming perfect and justified. Faith alone, as in belief is IMO meaningless or at best a start.

However, Jesus was also at times harsh, not unnecessarily so, but never-the-less harsh, angry, and jealous, that is jealous in the form of not being able to bless someone that follows other gods (if you accept that as jealous).

aye the Duke, respect for a coherent and thought out response.

I can agree with you. If we just believe in a loving god, what use is the rest of this?

Well one reason is they are about to burn the world to the ground over this stuff.

So it might be useful to have a modicum of understanding.

Myself, I do not accept the "deuters..." were issuing false statements. In fact, it is legit if viewed through the lens of who Yahweh really is.

My position if one considers the serpent made it out of the garden of eden and ended up on Moses staff so to speak, then no mental gymnastics are required trying to make Jesus the OT god Yahweh.

What I did was seed my thinking. I just played the Yahweh's advocate, and considered things as if that was the way it was.

Doing that, the whole garden of eden makes more sense. So does Christ speaking to the Jews. So does all the entirety of the OT. Revelation / Daniel (the books) are much easier now if you understand who the serpent was and where he went. Even the temple ceremony takes on new meaning, maybe more than I am willing to accept at this point. I mean, if I were to go back to the temple, I would leave the apron on the floor before entering the celestial room. I really would.

[FrankOne]

Make no mistake, i did not say Jehovah is evil. I said he was necessary. He has a mission like all beings do. My point of view is very different than yours . I promote faith in Christ and I see that as all that is necessary. I do not follow angry, jealous, vengeful beings although many people need that type of leader.

I only follow a loving god myself. I said that all those OT reports of unnecessary harshness are false statements of the deuteronomists. I too see all that is necessary is faith in Christ to obtain salvation. By faith I mean accepting, baptism, and becoming perfect and justified. Faith alone, as in belief is IMO meaningless or at best a start.

However, Jesus was also at times harsh, not unnecessarily so, but never-the-less harsh, angry, and jealous, that is jealous in the form of not being able to bless someone that follows other gods (if you accept that as jealous).

My position if one considers the serpent made it out of the garden of eden and ended up on Moses staff so to speak, then no mental gymnastics are required trying to make Jesus the OT god Yahweh.

Yes, the parasite ascending while in plain sight and only a very few notice it. The next phase for man is to go from being in iron chains to gold chains. To bring to pass the immortality of 'man'. Children of God are already immortal.... who is 'man'?

Not trying to derail, I just went to bed last night with too much on my mind.

[ithink]

I only follow a loving god myself. I said that all those OT reports of unnecessary harshness are false statements of the deuteronomists. I too see all that is necessary is faith in Christ to obtain salvation. By faith I mean accepting, baptism, and becoming perfect and justified. Faith alone, as in belief is IMO meaningless or at best a start.

However, Jesus was also at times harsh, not unnecessarily so, but never-the-less harsh, angry, and jealous, that is jealous in the form of not being able to bless someone that follows other gods (if you accept that as jealous).

My position if one considers the serpent made it out of the garden of eden and ended up on Moses staff so to speak, then no mental gymnastics are required trying to make Jesus the OT god Yahweh.

Yes, the parasite ascending while in plain sight and only a very few notice it. The next phase for man is to go from being in iron chains to gold chains. To bring to pass the immortality of 'man'. Children of God are already immortal.... who is 'man'?

Not trying to derail, I just went to bed last night with too much on my mind.

All good.

To clarify, I do not believe Christ is the god of the OT.

As for the immortality thing, ask Joe, it's his quote.

[FoundMyEden]

Lynn, I always appreciate what you write...looking forward to the part 2.

response to "ithink" ...

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Who do you think Yahweh is?
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Part 1

This is a double barrel shotgun question. First is exactly "WHAT" is Yahweh or YHWH should be defined first & foremost.

1st of all, the Tetragrammaton or the 4 Lettered Name of God, is the essence of the words which have been presented as Yahweh, Yahveh, Yah, Jehovah, and the list goes on. They are as IHVH/YHWH/YHVH/JHWH/JHVH to name a few of its variants in English letters. The titles of these 4 letters in the Hebrew glyphs are Iod/Jod/Yod; Hai/Hay/He; Vau/Vav/Vaw/Vo; and back again to the 2nd H which is the same as the first H as to letter-glyph titles. Here are a few rules in your transference of Hebrew into English equivalents: I/J/Y can be utilized. U/V/W also can be utilized. E is actually the combination of the AI/AY. And O is the culmination of AU/AV/AW. One example of O=AU is the word OM or AUM. All of these things are clues into the understanding of the Tetragrammaton or the LOGOS/GOSPEL.

Interestingly, the actual name Eve (you might say this is akin to a Greek rendering) is from the Hebrew Havah or HVH.

However, the equivalence is also found in these 3 lettered Names of God-- IAO, IEU, JEU, JEW, YAO, EIO, and are referring to the same thing. They are KEY facets in refinding the LOST WORD/NAME. Actually it can also be listed as I-ae-uo. This last breakdown of three sections of the five listed letters (English equivalents) are also more clues. I = Iod & the I is pronounced as "EE", and this is found in some texts & teachings. But the other 6 (or 4) are combined. What is occurring, is an interesting blend of specific vowels, which cannot be actually recorded or catalogued so to speak. Herein lies the "mystery" or the decoding of the 7 vowels. It can also be listed in a unique 4 letter combination as well- I-EVE or I-Eve which is the same as using I-HVH.

Let me explain just a hint of what is noted here. In a symbol. you have a dot enclosed in a circle. The dot is the I & within the circle around it, is the NOT-I. You have a description of a Male & Female conjoined. The "I" is the Male, while the EVE or HVH is the Feminine, referred to as "Eve, the Mother of All Living".

In Hebrew, the vowels are considered to be sacred, therefore the Hebrew alphabet mainly consists of consonants. The Greek Gnostics referred to the Sacredness of Vowels and the Mystery of the 7 Vowels. I noted 5 in I-ae-uo, but there are actually two that have a long & a short form (in pronunciation, making the 5 really 7 total. While you may not realize it, John the Baptist has referred to these 7 Vowels in his Book of Revelation as "the 7 Thunders". The 7 Greek vowels: a, short e, long e, i, short 0, u, long o.

The Hebrew equivalent throws in the 4th letter as it represents a facet that has been lost. The 4th is contained within the 3rd and is noted as "Double Delights". But these 3 main letter representations are reflected and noted as the Trinity in Christianity, Trimurti in Hinduism, and the Triad in other cultures. Basically all religions & cultures have within their portions, clues as to the pronunciation of the NAME/WORD.

Even the LOGOS doctrine of John the Baptist as found in John chapter 1 has variants which help to understand different facets. For instance, from the Greek, we read "in the Beginning was the Logos". In the IV (Inspired Version) of the Bible (also noted as JST) presented by Joseph Smith, it is found as "in the Beginning was the GOSPEL". If there is a Hebrew version, it would read, "in the Beginning was the SHEM". But one stands out in the Welsh version of John 1, it states, "in the Beginning were the TRIPLE SHOUTS". And there is also a little more verification of what that meant. Now Logos is defined as the "Divine Word". Gospel is thought to be "Good News", but that is watered down from what it was originally meant. Gospel was a compound word derived from "God Spell", which meant the "Divine Name". And the Welsh Version "Triple Shouts", or Three Shouts, is giving a clue that the Name/Word had 3 portions or Tones (Trinity/Trimurti, or Triad) as to its pronunciation. "Co-instantaneously, with the Voice was Light, and in the Light, form, and the Voice was in three tones, three vocalizations, pronounced together at the same moment."

The understanding of the 10 Commandments, as to not using any graven image, is because reverence is due to the NAME/WORD which created all there is. In other words, there is no actual personage as in a person, therefore you should not bow down to any image or person. Refer to Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Ephesians 3:14; and Philippians 2:9-10. As you read, perhaps you now realize that you should not bow to any person, including Jesus. If you read these portions in the OT as well as the NT, both note one should bow down to the NAME/WORD. Jesus also explained that God is Spirit & Truth, not an image or personage.

The High Priests eventually went in once a year into the Holy of Holies to pronounce the NAME/WORD. I am betting after a few years of that, it was forgotten as to its exactness. It became an empty ritual, or an empty Word (void of its essence). In fact, Jesus explained that they had the Key (which is the Name/Word) & did not use it, nor would they let others. Refer to IV/JST Matthew 23:10 or KJV vs.13; Luke 11:52 or vs.53; or AG 108:31-32 and 154:14-18.

Think of me as akin to an Indian Scout sent ahead to see what lies in the pathway. I was sent in research to rediscover the Lost Word back in the late 1980s. Perhaps you have not heard the definition of the Lost Word, which is believed by the Kabbalists & Freemasons that the WORD, now lost, will in the future reappear and reveal the enigma of creation. In fact, Joseph Smith mirrors this very thought when his rendering of the IV (Inspired Version) or JST (Joseph Smith Translation) of the Bible is completely understood. I am speaking of IV/JST Genesis 5:44-45 as it speaks of this GOSPEL will be preached in the Beginning, as well as the End. In this , it is referring to the God Spell being the NAME/WORD.

I think the 'Law of ONE' (Book 3 by L/L Research) states it best, as it refers to IT (the NAME/WORD) as a "Sound-Vibration-Complex". Here are a few snips---
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"The exception is the sounding of some of what you call your Hebrew and some of what you call your Sanskrit vowels. These sound vibration complexes have power before time and space and represent configurations of light which built all that there is."

"... the linkage is mathematical or that of the ratio you may consider musical. There are those whose mind complex activities would attempt to resolve this mathematical ratio but at present the coloration of the intoned vowel is a part of the vibration which cannot be accurately measured. However, it is equivalent to types of rotation of your primary material particles."

"You may consider the concept of sympathetic resonance. When certain sounds are correctly vibrated , the creation sings."

"It would be perhaps more accurate to state that in this circumstance the creation becomes more and more contained within the practitioner."
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Elsewhere in 'The Law of ONE' 4 books, the Male & Female creator is Light (male) & Love (female) by use of this one particular "Sound-Vibration-Complex".

The ONE is Three & the Three is ONE. Or in long terms, the ONE became Two, which became Three, which became Four, which became Seven. Simply put, the ONE WORD/NAME is composed of 3 syllables which was derived from the Seven Vowels.

Each of the three syllables has inherent one of the 3 main components (powers of creation, etc.-- that which creates (the Father) [Brahma]; that which Destroys, Transforms, Transmutes, Converts, or Revivifies (the Holy Spirit/Mother) [Shiva]; and that which Saves, Heals, Preserves, or Redeems (the Son or Son/Daughter aka "Double Delights") [Vishnu].

A sidenote, in the AG, Jesus explains that when gold is cast into the fire, it separates the impurities, and the gold is retained in purity. In other words, it seems to be destroyed but is cleansed or Transmuted. It is revivified.

In the Egyptian angle, IAO is notes as I = Isis (Nature that creates), A = Apepi or Apophis (the Destroyer), and O = Osiris (the Redeemer). These 3 essences or powers are always being presented- Create/ Destroy (Transform/Revivify/Transmute/Convert), and Save (Heal/Redeem/Preserves). Think of this formula as I-H-V or I-A-O or I-E-U in comparison to E = MC2 or Energy (Spirit) Transmuting into Matter (Element) and Back, in a sort of reciprocal manner. Also refer to D&C (CoC-RLDS 90:5a-6a/ LDS 93:29-37). In the E = MC2 equation the equal sign is the conversion point, same as noted in the NAME/WORD as a Destroyer (in Hinduism or Egyptian Thought) or the Holy Spirit (in the Christian Trinity).

Now many will claim the Creator is a Man (or Woman), because it notes we are created in the image of God, so it has to be that way? Not so, as if you stack the 4 Hebrew glyphs (IHVH), as found on pp. 179 & 190 of Charles Ponce's book- 'Kabbalah' (1973 or 1991 5th edition), you will see that the Vau glyph is tucked into the first He glyph, making it appear to be a structure or image of a man/woman. The I is the head & neck. The top H are the shoulders & the arms hanging down. The Vau glyph is up in between the arms to represent the chest, heart & torso. The bottom H are the hips & the legs. Ponce adds "The Tetragrammaton symbolizing the body of man & the process of creation within him." Below the 4 glyphs are noted as Father/Mother/Son/Bride. When you see the illustration set up by Ponce, it is recognized in a split second.

I could share several books worth of my compilation of research on the NAME/WORD, but we will have to skim the surface for now.

I guess we'll stop here for Part 1.

Part 2 defines "WHO".

[Lynn]

Yes, I condensed some of the data I have collected over the years (over 38 years). So, I kinda know exactly what I am sharing about.

Simply put, everything in this creation, from the smallest to the largest, the most densest to the most spiritual, every particle of vibration has this LOCK in place in every minute portion. The NAME/WORD is the KEY to which it can be altered, renewed, destroyed, elevated, downgraded, healed or what not. In other words, healing knows no other bounds. The NAME/WORD is engraved in everything. This was what Joseph Smith referred to as the Grand Key of the Endowment. It moves mountains, it departs waters, it controls the winds as well as the weather.

Only those who who have attained the Supreme Initiation can utilize it. Jesus' name is referred to as the Pentagrammaton, which is the 5 Lettered Name. The Tetragrammaton & a 5th letter S or Schin/Shin is inserted in the center (similar to the rosy cross). It denotes the Elohim Ruach or Holy Spirit which employs (activates) it. Without Faith or Knowledge, and the Spirit, it is an idle word. In AG 130:8-22 Jesus explains to the other 9 after he & the other 3 came down from Mount Hermon (Mt. of Transfiguration). The 9 had employed the NAME/WORD to heal an epileptic child, but it did not work. The Father knew Jesus could heal him and we pick up there.

AG 130:8-22---
8) And Jesus said, How long has he been troubled thus?
9) The father said, From infancy; and we have sought in many lands for help, but found it not; but I believe that you can speak the Word and heal my son.
10) And Jesus said, Faith is the power of God. All things are possible for him who in his heart believes.
11) The father cried, in tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
12) And Jesus spoke the Word of power; the epileptic child lay in a swoon; he did not breathe, and all the people said, The child is dead.
13) But Jesus took him by the hand and said: Arise; and he arose and spoke.
14) The people were amazed, and many said, This surely is a man of God, for no such power was ever given to man.
15) Then Jesus and the twelve went to the house, and after they had taken food and been refreshed, the nine disciples said,
16) Lord, why could we not heal this child? We spoke the Word; but even that was powerless.
17) And Jesus said, Your great success in all your former work has made you careless, and you forgot to recognize the power of God.

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Jesus warns the disciples that to speak it with unholy lips, you will be struck dead in AG 96:15-27 (pay attention to verses 17-22)--
I shared the entire chapter as Jesus also touches upon Yahweh/Jehovah (IHVH aka the NAME/WORD).

1) God gave the Ten Commandments unto men; upon the mountain Moses saw the words of God; he wrote them down on solid rock; they cannot be destroyed.
2) These Ten Commandments show the justice side of God; but now the love of God made manifest brings mercy on the wings of Holy Breath.
3) Upon the unity of God the law was built. In all the world there is one force; Jehovah is Almighty God.
4) Jehovah wrote upon the heavens and Moses read,
5) I am Almighty God and you shall have no God but me.
6) There is one force, but many phases of that force; these phases men call powers.
7) All powers are of God; and they are manifests of God; they are the Spirits of our God.
8) If men could seem to find another force and worship at its shrine, they would but court illusion, vain,
9) A shadow of the One, Jehovah, God, and they who worship shadows are but shadows on the wall; for men are what they court.
10) And God would have all men to be the substance, and in mercy he commanded, You shall seek no God but me.
11) And finite men can never comprehend infinite things. Man cannot make an image of the Infinite in force.
12) And when men make a God of stone or wood or clay they make an image of a shade; and they who worship at the shrine of shades are shades.
13) So God in mercy said, You shall not carve out images of wood, or clay, or stone.
14) Such idols are ideals, abased ideals, and men can gain no higher plane than their ideals.
15) The God is Spirit, and in spirit men must worship if they would attain a consciousness of God.
16) But man can never make a picture or an image of the Holy Breath.
17) The name of God man may not speak with carnal lips; with Holy Breath alone can man pronounce the name.
18) In vanity men think they know the name of God; they speak it lightly and irreverently, and thus they are accursed.
19) If men did know the sacred name and spoke it with unholy lips, they would not live to speak it once again.
20) But God in mercy has not yet unveiled his name to those who cannot speak with Holy Breath.
21) But they who speak the substitute in idle way are guilty in the sight of God, who said,
22) You shall not take the name of God in vain.
23) The number of the Holy Breath is seven, and God holds in his hands the sevens of time.
24) In forming worlds he rested on the seventh day, and every seventh day is set apart as Sabbath day for men. God said,
25) The seventh is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God; remember it and keep it wholly set apart for works of holiness; that is, for works not for the selfish self, but for the universal self.
26) Men may do work for self upon the six days of the week; but on the Sabbath of the Lord they must do naught for self.
27) This day is consecrated unto God; but man serves God by serving man.


Kabbalists issue the same warning in the Sepher/Sefer Raziel--
"But whoever pronounces this Name (Word/Logos) while he or she is in a state of uncleanliness and impurity, will surely be struck dead." Oh yeah, there's another one-->> PH=F

Joseph Smith warns similarly in D&C 63 (C0C-RLDS 15d-16a/ LDS 61-64)--
"Wherefore let all men beware how they take my NAME in their lips; for. behold, verily I say, that many there be who are under this condemnation; who use the name of the Lord, and use it in vain, having not authority. ... Remember that which cometh from above is sacred, and must be spoken with constraint of the Spirit, and in this there is no condemnation; and ye receive the Spirit through prayer; wherefore, without this there remaineth condemnation."


So, IT also has a "check-valve" in place. So for any who seek to gain the power to run around judging others had best beware, it will backfire on them. You are speaking of the very power of the universe.

[Lynn]

I might add one other quote from a Gnostic work. It is thought to have been written by Simon of Gitta. It is called "Megale Apophasis", which involves a system of three principles (Hmm, those 3 again Creates/Destroys/Heals). Here is a unique snip.

"All men/women possess the *7th Power* within themselves, but only as a potentiality. It must be 'fully formed' and made actual (activated), in which case it becomes an infinite power, in no respect inferior to the infinite power itself. "

"The whole world and the world-process is staged with the sole intention that this 'fruit' be fully formed and escape the process of becoming, while the visible component of the fire will finally be destroyed by this fire ... It (the 7th Power) is the 'unoriginate' element residing in men, that element in man which is divine; "

[Lynn]

"however, it needs the instruction, the teaching of the (Sacred) Word (Egyptian- Sebayt or Teaching/ Hebrew- Chokmah/Hokmah or Wisdom) which (must) come to it,

"or else it perishes ... the nature of fire is some way double ... apparent & unapparent (hidden in those things apparent)." {Ref.1}


from pp.251-252
of 'Gnosis' Vol.1 (of 2) by Werner Foerster (1969/transl. from German 1972 HB) Oxford Univ. Press
TEACHING, Chap.7,Ref.1


In other words, if you do not receive proper instructions concerning IT, then you are left with the "experimenting" as Alma expounded on.

Alma in the Book of Mormon uses the term or comparison, as to comparing the word like a seed, in which you need to nurture & grow, as Jesus also did. It is not a reference to words in a book, or a story about Jesus. It about the "meat" of the story-- The NAME/WORD.


I have no idea of why the lines might appear across the text above. We shall see if it still appears in this third edit.

[Lynn]

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[Lynn]

Somehow I must have bumped into something that caused the lines. I have tried like 5 or so edits & gotten nowhere. I can copy it & paste it, but no lines show up. Hopefully you can finish reading it above & below the lines in the last segment.

[FrankOne]

So, IT also has a "check-valve" in place. So for any who seek to gain the power to run around judging others had best beware, it will backfire on them. You are speaking of the very power of the universe.

The 'word' isn't an incantation nor is it comprised of letters or even symbols. There is no inherent power in spoken words. but, there is power in the resonance but only when it is understood. Simply saying words does not summon the power of God. The power of the universe is like conscious electricity. When wielded, the 'power' knows what you are doing with it and how it is being used. It is perfectly regulated.

The 'work' is to come to understand that the power is subject to the will of something beyond Jehovah. Jehovah wields the power but is not the power itself. The very subtle path of coming to understand what it is and how to use it is quite hidden from the callous eye. Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved.

As the Yogi's say, "Attainments are temptations to the ego and when the Ego (natural man) tries to use them, they are taken away"

We are meant to only be a conducting vessel, not the manager nor director. There is only one will.

[Lynn]

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The 'word' isn't an incantation nor is it comprised of letters or even symbols. There is no inherent power in spoken words. but, there is power in the resonance but only when it is understood. Simply saying words does not summon the power of God. The power of the universe is like conscious electricity. When wielded, the 'power' knows what you are doing with it and how it is being used. It is perfectly regulated.
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Things have to shared in steps, like climbing a ladder & getting a larger view of something (or a bigger picture). You do not hand a child a loaded gun (as an example). In ancient Egypt, it is referred to as "Hekau" (sacred words of power), but it is not revealed as certain harmonics. In Atlantis, the word used is "sonics". Yes, the words & letters are but markers or symbols that lead the pathway. You do not just say it, you vibrate it with your very essence, but a few things must be activated. The letters are clues to its reverberization (harmonics or resonance). I used the "check valve" as a metaphor.

[Lynn]

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I always appreciate what you write...looking forward to the part 2.
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I'm always glad to share the "research". I started on Part 2, but kept getting sidetracked. Hopefully I will have it before next weekend. If not, then it will be next weekend as to WHO Yahweh (YaHWeH / IHVH) is.


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Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved.

As the Yogi's say, "Attainments are temptations to the ego and when the Ego (natural man) tries to use them, they are taken away"
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So true. In fact, the disciples thought they (their group with Jesus) "owned" the power of God, as well as some (it seems the Seventies) were almost boasting of what "they" had accomplished. I'll have those two clips just below. Jesus tries to straighten them out.

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We are meant to only be a conducting vessel, not the manager nor director. There is only one will.
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Again correct. This is one of my favorites (as to the FIRST MOVER part) ...

"In Alchemy, whether Spiritual or physical, we are to find the center of the Cross ((the 5th letter- S/Sh/Schin or actually the 'Spirit of God'/ 'Ruah/ Ruach', which is necessary to be able to employ the proper pronunciation of the Sacred Word))."

"A true understanding of the 4-Lettered Name ((TGT)), containing as it does, the powers of the 4 elements of Nature: Air, Water, Fire, and Earth; from their lowest degree to their highest aspect, would imply a knowledge and power of creation as well as that of death and destruction. Is it not for this reason that its pronunciation ((in written form)) has been forbidden ((and also in using it in vain or selfishly)) by the Kabbalist?"

"The Ancient Wisdom implied that this ((Sacred)) Name, might only be pronounced by the ((true)) Initiate who has attained the Supreme Initiation, that is to say 'He who has learnt to be One with the FIRST MOVER and be HIS WILL'."

"The ((Sacred)) Name of the Deity, which we call Jehovah, is in Hebrew, a Name of 4 letters- IHVH; and the true pronunciation is a most secret arcanum, and is a secret of secrets. 'He who can rightly pronounce it, causeth heaven and earth to tremble, for it is the ((Sacred)) Name which rusheth thru the universe."


***Lynn's notes above are in double parenthesis. Even though we use/utilize the word "pronounce", it is understood that it is by the harmonics or resonance of certain KEY NOTES.


Oh, those 2 snips are ...
AG 131:31-40
31) And John said, Master, who may seek and save the lost? and who may heal the sick, and cast the demons out of those obsessed?
32) When we were on the way we saw a man who was not one of us cast demons out and heal the sick.
33) He did it by the sacred Word and in the name of Christ? but we forbade him, for he did not walk with us.
34) And Jesus said, You sons of men, do you imagine that you own the powers of God?
35) And do you think that all the world must wait for you to do the works of God?
36) God is not man that he should have a special care for any man, and give him special gifts.
37) Forbid not any man to do the works of God.
38) There is no man who can pronounce the sacred Word, and in the name of Christ restore the sick, and cast the unclean spirits out, who is not child of God.
39) The man of whom you speak is one with us. Whoever gathers in the grain of heaven is one with us.
40) Whoever gives a cup of water in the name of Christ is one with us; so God shall judge.

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AG 140:4-16
4) And when they reached Capernaum the seventy were there; and they were filled with joy; they said,
5) The Spirit of the Lord of hosts was with us all the way, and we were filled.
6) The power of the sacred Word was manifest in us; we healed the sick; we caused the lame to walk, the deaf to hear, the blind to see.
7) The very devils trembled when we spoke the Word, and they were subject unto us.
8) And Jesus said, As you were going on your way, the heavens were bright with light, the earth was bright, they seemed to meet and be at one; and I beheld, and Satan fell as lightning from the heavens.
9) Behold, for you have power to tread on serpents and on scorpions, and these are
SYMBOLS of the enemies of men. You are protected in the way of right, and naught can harm.
10) And as you went I heard a master say, Well done.
11) But you may not rejoice because you have the power to heal the sick and make the devils tremble by the Word; for such rejoicing is from carnal self.
12) You may rejoice because the nations of the earth have ears to hear the Word, and eyes to see the glory of the Lord, and hearts to feel the inner breathing of the Holy Breath.
13) And you may well be glad because your names are written in the Book of Life.
14) Then Jesus looked to heaven and said, I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast revealed thyself to babes, and taught them how to light the path and lead the wise to thee.
15) What thou hast given to me, lo, I have given to them, and through the sacred Word I have bestowed on them the understanding heart,
16) That they might know and honor thee through Christ, who was, and is, and evermore shall be.

[SJR3t2]

If you can't see what it means, it would mean less if I were to tell you.

The great part about YHWH, is he's consistent.
That makes him easy to distinguish from Christ.

Oh I understand what you were alluding. You are not brave enough to come out and say it. All the scriptures teach that Yeshua is the Father Elohim.

Brave enough. lol

You sure like to banter around and drop names and make outlandish statements, such as the above.
And hurl insults.

We all know Yeshua is just the literation of Jesus from Hebrew to Greek.
We all know that Jesus is not the father, but some will argue he is.
I suppose you could call the father Elohim, but I would not often.
Some might call the father Ehieh, but I would just prefer El, or even just father.

You see, way back in Exodus Moses was quite concerned that the children of Israel needed names.
Names, give us names, names are so important to us!
Today it's an epidemic it seems. Ehieh, Hochma, Iah, El, Elohim, Elchai, Sadai.
Just drop a few names and poof - you're some kind of scholar.

But not really.
None of that matters.
Unless you are as dumb as the Israeilites were.
"Give us a name you SOB".

I speak English.
If you do not speak Greek, you have no business calling Jesus Yeshua.
Or god El or Elohim or whatever.
That is virtue signalling.

However, some names are useful to understand.
Such as Lucifer.
Yahweh.
And the serpent, the devil, the father of lies.

It appears you do not understand what I was alluding.
Yahweh is consistent.
He must be, as he is on a mission.
To exalt himself above the most high.

Above Adonai.
Above Eloah.
Above El.
Above father.

And you are helping him.

You should go review your responses to me, you have been quite rude. And I'm not going to continue having a conversation with you. And you have no business telling me how I should worship Yeshua or what I call Him.

[ithink]

Oh I understand what you were alluding. You are not brave enough to come out and say it. All the scriptures teach that Yeshua is the Father Elohim.

Brave enough. lol

You sure like to banter around and drop names and make outlandish statements, such as the above.
And hurl insults.

We all know Yeshua is just the literation of Jesus from Hebrew to Greek.
We all know that Jesus is not the father, but some will argue he is.
I suppose you could call the father Elohim, but I would not often.
Some might call the father Ehieh, but I would just prefer El, or even just father.

You see, way back in Exodus Moses was quite concerned that the children of Israel needed names.
Names, give us names, names are so important to us!
Today it's an epidemic it seems. Ehieh, Hochma, Iah, El, Elohim, Elchai, Sadai.
Just drop a few names and poof - you're some kind of scholar.

But not really.
None of that matters.
Unless you are as dumb as the Israeilites were.
"Give us a name you SOB".

I speak English.
If you do not speak Greek, you have no business calling Jesus Yeshua.
Or god El or Elohim or whatever.
That is virtue signalling.

However, some names are useful to understand.
Such as Lucifer.
Yahweh.
And the serpent, the devil, the father of lies.

It appears you do not understand what I was alluding.
Yahweh is consistent.
He must be, as he is on a mission.
To exalt himself above the most high.

Above Adonai.
Above Eloah.
Above El.
Above father.

And you are helping him.

You should go review your responses to me, you have been quite rude. And I'm not going to continue having a conversation with you. And you have no business telling me how I should worship Yeshua or what I call Him.

What are you, 3 yrs old?
Cope harder.

[ithink]

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I'm always glad to share the "research". I started on Part 2, but kept getting sidetracked. Hopefully I will have it before next weekend. If not, then it will be next weekend as to WHO Yahweh (YaHWeH / IHVH) is.


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Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved.

As the Yogi's say, "Attainments are temptations to the ego and when the Ego (natural man) tries to use them, they are taken away"
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So true. In fact, the disciples thought they (their group with Jesus) "owned" the power of God, as well as some (it seems the Seventies) were almost boasting of what "they" had accomplished. I'll have those two clips just below. Jesus tries to straighten them out.

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We are meant to only be a conducting vessel, not the manager nor director. There is only one will.
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Again correct. This is one of my favorites (as to the FIRST MOVER part) ...

"In Alchemy, whether Spiritual or physical, we are to find the center of the Cross ((the 5th letter- S/Sh/Schin or actually the 'Spirit of God'/ 'Ruah/ Ruach', which is necessary to be able to employ the proper pronunciation of the Sacred Word))."

"A true understanding of the 4-Lettered Name ((TGT)), containing as it does, the powers of the 4 elements of Nature: Air, Water, Fire, and Earth; from their lowest degree to their highest aspect, would imply a knowledge and power of creation as well as that of death and destruction. Is it not for this reason that its pronunciation ((in written form)) has been forbidden ((and also in using it in vain or selfishly)) by the Kabbalist?"

"The Ancient Wisdom implied that this ((Sacred)) Name, might only be pronounced by the ((true)) Initiate who has attained the Supreme Initiation, that is to say 'He who has learnt to be One with the FIRST MOVER and be HIS WILL'."

"The ((Sacred)) Name of the Deity, which we call Jehovah, is in Hebrew, a Name of 4 letters- IHVH; and the true pronunciation is a most secret arcanum, and is a secret of secrets. 'He who can rightly pronounce it, causeth heaven and earth to tremble, for it is the ((Sacred)) Name which rusheth thru the universe."


***Lynn's notes above are in double parenthesis. Even though we use/utilize the word "pronounce", it is understood that it is by the harmonics or resonance of certain KEY NOTES.


Oh, those 2 snips are ...
AG 131:31-40
31) And John said, Master, who may seek and save the lost? and who may heal the sick, and cast the demons out of those obsessed?
32) When we were on the way we saw a man who was not one of us cast demons out and heal the sick.
33) He did it by the sacred Word and in the name of Christ? but we forbade him, for he did not walk with us.
34) And Jesus said, You sons of men, do you imagine that you own the powers of God?
35) And do you think that all the world must wait for you to do the works of God?
36) God is not man that he should have a special care for any man, and give him special gifts.
37) Forbid not any man to do the works of God.
38) There is no man who can pronounce the sacred Word, and in the name of Christ restore the sick, and cast the unclean spirits out, who is not child of God.
39) The man of whom you speak is one with us. Whoever gathers in the grain of heaven is one with us.
40) Whoever gives a cup of water in the name of Christ is one with us; so God shall judge.

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AG 140:4-16
4) And when they reached Capernaum the seventy were there; and they were filled with joy; they said,
5) The Spirit of the Lord of hosts was with us all the way, and we were filled.
6) The power of the sacred Word was manifest in us; we healed the sick; we caused the lame to walk, the deaf to hear, the blind to see.
7) The very devils trembled when we spoke the Word, and they were subject unto us.
8) And Jesus said, As you were going on your way, the heavens were bright with light, the earth was bright, they seemed to meet and be at one; and I beheld, and Satan fell as lightning from the heavens.
9) Behold, for you have power to tread on serpents and on scorpions, and these are
SYMBOLS of the enemies of men. You are protected in the way of right, and naught can harm.
10) And as you went I heard a master say, Well done.
11) But you may not rejoice because you have the power to heal the sick and make the devils tremble by the Word; for such rejoicing is from carnal self.
12) You may rejoice because the nations of the earth have ears to hear the Word, and eyes to see the glory of the Lord, and hearts to feel the inner breathing of the Holy Breath.
13) And you may well be glad because your names are written in the Book of Life.
14) Then Jesus looked to heaven and said, I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast revealed thyself to babes, and taught them how to light the path and lead the wise to thee.
15) What thou hast given to me, lo, I have given to them, and through the sacred Word I have bestowed on them the understanding heart,
16) That they might know and honor thee through Christ, who was, and is, and evermore shall be.

"Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved."

Alright. Then what does telling us you've researched this for 38 years doing in there? At the risk of sounding rude, I don't care how long anyone has researched anything. If it's the truth and it was arrived at in 10s and not 3.8 decades, the value should be the same.

You are all over the map.

I'm looking for you to summarize your position with a sentence or two, not a page or two.

And skip the J Smith references if you can. I've got a bad taste in my mouth for him ever since Kinderhook, the Greek Psalter, and the 10 first visions.

[FrankOne]

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I always appreciate what you write...looking forward to the part 2.
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I'm always glad to share the "research". I started on Part 2, but kept getting sidetracked. Hopefully I will have it before next weekend. If not, then it will be next weekend as to WHO Yahweh (YaHWeH / IHVH) is.


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Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved.

As the Yogi's say, "Attainments are temptations to the ego and when the Ego (natural man) tries to use them, they are taken away"
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So true. In fact, the disciples thought they (their group with Jesus) "owned" the power of God, as well as some (it seems the Seventies) were almost boasting of what "they" had accomplished. I'll have those two clips just below. Jesus tries to straighten them out.

++++++++++++++++++++++
We are meant to only be a conducting vessel, not the manager nor director. There is only one will.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Again correct. This is one of my favorites (as to the FIRST MOVER part) ...

"In Alchemy, whether Spiritual or physical, we are to find the center of the Cross ((the 5th letter- S/Sh/Schin or actually the 'Spirit of God'/ 'Ruah/ Ruach', which is necessary to be able to employ the proper pronunciation of the Sacred Word))."

"A true understanding of the 4-Lettered Name ((TGT)), containing as it does, the powers of the 4 elements of Nature: Air, Water, Fire, and Earth; from their lowest degree to their highest aspect, would imply a knowledge and power of creation as well as that of death and destruction. Is it not for this reason that its pronunciation ((in written form)) has been forbidden ((and also in using it in vain or selfishly)) by the Kabbalist?"

"The Ancient Wisdom implied that this ((Sacred)) Name, might only be pronounced by the ((true)) Initiate who has attained the Supreme Initiation, that is to say 'He who has learnt to be One with the FIRST MOVER and be HIS WILL'."

"The ((Sacred)) Name of the Deity, which we call Jehovah, is in Hebrew, a Name of 4 letters- IHVH; and the true pronunciation is a most secret arcanum, and is a secret of secrets. 'He who can rightly pronounce it, causeth heaven and earth to tremble, for it is the ((Sacred)) Name which rusheth thru the universe."


***Lynn's notes above are in double parenthesis. Even though we use/utilize the word "pronounce", it is understood that it is by the harmonics or resonance of certain KEY NOTES.


Oh, those 2 snips are ...
AG 131:31-40
31) And John said, Master, who may seek and save the lost? and who may heal the sick, and cast the demons out of those obsessed?
32) When we were on the way we saw a man who was not one of us cast demons out and heal the sick.
33) He did it by the sacred Word and in the name of Christ? but we forbade him, for he did not walk with us.
34) And Jesus said, You sons of men, do you imagine that you own the powers of God?
35) And do you think that all the world must wait for you to do the works of God?
36) God is not man that he should have a special care for any man, and give him special gifts.
37) Forbid not any man to do the works of God.
38) There is no man who can pronounce the sacred Word, and in the name of Christ restore the sick, and cast the unclean spirits out, who is not child of God.
39) The man of whom you speak is one with us. Whoever gathers in the grain of heaven is one with us.
40) Whoever gives a cup of water in the name of Christ is one with us; so God shall judge.

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AG 140:4-16
4) And when they reached Capernaum the seventy were there; and they were filled with joy; they said,
5) The Spirit of the Lord of hosts was with us all the way, and we were filled.
6) The power of the sacred Word was manifest in us; we healed the sick; we caused the lame to walk, the deaf to hear, the blind to see.
7) The very devils trembled when we spoke the Word, and they were subject unto us.
8) And Jesus said, As you were going on your way, the heavens were bright with light, the earth was bright, they seemed to meet and be at one; and I beheld, and Satan fell as lightning from the heavens.
9) Behold, for you have power to tread on serpents and on scorpions, and these are
SYMBOLS of the enemies of men. You are protected in the way of right, and naught can harm.
10) And as you went I heard a master say, Well done.
11) But you may not rejoice because you have the power to heal the sick and make the devils tremble by the Word; for such rejoicing is from carnal self.
12) You may rejoice because the nations of the earth have ears to hear the Word, and eyes to see the glory of the Lord, and hearts to feel the inner breathing of the Holy Breath.
13) And you may well be glad because your names are written in the Book of Life.
14) Then Jesus looked to heaven and said, I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast revealed thyself to babes, and taught them how to light the path and lead the wise to thee.
15) What thou hast given to me, lo, I have given to them, and through the sacred Word I have bestowed on them the understanding heart,
16) That they might know and honor thee through Christ, who was, and is, and evermore shall be.

"Vanity is the obstacle. The power is removed when the Ego is involved."

Alright. Then what does telling us you've researched this for 38 years doing in there? At the risk of sounding rude, I don't care how long anyone has researched anything. If it's the truth and it was arrived at in 10s and not 3.8 decades, the value should be the same.

You are all over the map.

I'm looking for you to summarize your position with a sentence or two, not a page or two.

And skip the J Smith references if you can. I've got a bad taste in my mouth for him ever since Kinderhook, the Greek Psalter, and the 10 first visions.

I'm not sure if you've mixed Lynn and myself but I still find it comprehensive to say that we all are living in vanity at the moment. I've only found one person in my life that was devoid of vanity and it did give me hope. I've noticed vanity in your posts and I certainly have found it in mine! HAHAHAHAHA