Yahweh is...

[SJR3t2]

The scriptures teach modalism. Lectures on Faith 5 https://seekingyhwh.org/lectures-on-faith/5th/ makes this clear with the word PERSONAGE, which is different than person.

At the end of this recording I bring out how Moroni 7:2 teaches modalism and that the Holy Spirit is Torah.

Deuteronomy 30 shows how Torah is to be kept before and after the Second Coming. Perceptions of keeping Torah. Moroni 7:3-5 is about knowing Torah is true. Talked about the 8th day and it’s symbolism. 8th day proves Lunar Sabbath. Symbolism in the Ohio Newark Earthworks Mounds. Modalism in Moroni 7:2.
https://seekingyhwh.org/scripture-study/2023-10-06/

Sorry, but not with you at all on this. First thing from my point of view is to listen to Christ and take him seriously. When he said he did away with ALL the law and the "PROPHETS", he really meant it.

ALL means ALL.

The Old Testament is interesting, but it is a dead book. Follow it if you wish, but you will eventually hear, just as the other did: "let the dead bury the dead".

Oh I take it ALL seriously. I even wear Tzitzit. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/tzitzit/ Can you say the same?

John 5:46-47
A 46 For had ye believed Moses,
B ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
A 47 But if ye believe not his writings,
B how shall ye believe my words?

1 Nephi (LDS 19:23) (RLDS 6:3-5) And I did read many things unto them which were written in the BOOKS OF MOSES; but that I might more FULLY PERSUADE them to BELIEVE in the LORD [YHWH] their REDEEMER I did read unto them that which was written by the prophet Isaiah; for I did liken all scriptures unto us, that it might be for our profit and learning.

[SJR3t2]

Mosiah (LDS 15:1-5) (RLDS 8:28-32)
AA 1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God [Elohim]
AB Himself shall come down among the children of men,
AC and shall REDEEM His people.
-BA 2 And because He dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God [Elohim],
-BB and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father,
-BC being the Father and the Son—
-BA 3 The Father, because He was conceived [seen] by the power of God [Elohim] [Torah];
-BB and the Son, because of the flesh;
-BC thus becoming the Father and Son—
--CA 4 And they are one God [Elohim],
--CB yea, the very Eternal Father [singular / modalism https://seekingyhwh.org/lectures-on-faith/5th/ ]
--CC of heaven and of earth.
-BA 5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit,
-BB or the Son to the Father,
-BC being one God [Elohim],
AA suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation,
AB but suffereth Himself to be mocked, and scourged,
AC and cast out, and disowned by His people.

[ithink]

"I've been shown". OK. By whom? Yahweh? Makes sense.

HG

The Holy Ghost.
Aye.
And who is the Holy Ghost?

[ithink]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

Christ is not jealous. Nor is El.

Christ did not order anyone to murder anyone.

On this, the LDS church has been swayed by Yahweh himself. Something about the very elect...

True, whether they are or not is important, as long as you, are not, IMHO.

Isaiah 10
5 Hail the Assyrian, the rod of my anger!
He is a staff—my wrath in their hand.a
6 I will commission him against a godless nation,
appoint him over the people
deserving of my vengeance,
to pillage for plunder, to spoliate for spoil,
to tread underfoot like mud in the streets.
7 Nevertheless, it shall not seem so to him;
this shall not be what he has in mind.
His purpose shall be to annihilate
and to exterminate nations not a few.

Seems that there is precedent for the killing. God used the wicked to judge the wicked; even unto death. In the case of the
Israelites killing a tribe, as they were commanded, who said Israel was righteous? It just follows a pattern the Lord has promised to use whether a tyrannical king as in Isaiah or his heathen (locust) army.

Sorry.
To say.
But you are confused.
Search your feelings Logon.
You know it to be true.

[ithink]

The scriptures teach modalism. Lectures on Faith 5 https://seekingyhwh.org/lectures-on-faith/5th/ makes this clear with the word PERSONAGE, which is different than person.

At the end of this recording I bring out how Moroni 7:2 teaches modalism and that the Holy Spirit is Torah.

Deuteronomy 30 shows how Torah is to be kept before and after the Second Coming. Perceptions of keeping Torah. Moroni 7:3-5 is about knowing Torah is true. Talked about the 8th day and it’s symbolism. 8th day proves Lunar Sabbath. Symbolism in the Ohio Newark Earthworks Mounds. Modalism in Moroni 7:2.
https://seekingyhwh.org/scripture-study/2023-10-06/

Sorry, but not with you at all on this. First thing from my point of view is to listen to Christ and take him seriously. When he said he did away with ALL the law and the "PROPHETS", he really meant it.

ALL means ALL.

The Old Testament is interesting, but it is a dead book. Follow it if you wish, but you will eventually hear, just as the other did: "let the dead bury the dead".

Oh I take it ALL seriously. I even wear Tzitzit. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/tzitzit/ Can you say the same?

John 5:46-47
A 46 For had ye believed Moses,
B ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
A 47 But if ye believe not his writings,
B how shall ye believe my words?

1 Nephi (LDS 19:23) (RLDS 6:3-5) And I did read many things unto them which were written in the BOOKS OF MOSES; but that I might more FULLY PERSUADE them to BELIEVE in the LORD [YHWH] their REDEEMER I did read unto them that which was written by the prophet Isaiah; for I did liken all scriptures unto us, that it might be for our profit and learning.

Why so serious?
If you wish serious, that is what you will get.
I would know.
Everyone was so serious in hell.
But the laughter of a child.
Was not to be found.

"Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God."

[ithink]

Mosiah (LDS 15:1-5) (RLDS 8:28-32)
AA 1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God [Elohim]
AB Himself shall come down among the children of men,
AC and shall REDEEM His people.
-BA 2 And because He dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God [Elohim],
-BB and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father,
-BC being the Father and the Son—
-BA 3 The Father, because He was conceived [seen] by the power of God [Elohim] [Torah];
-BB and the Son, because of the flesh;
-BC thus becoming the Father and Son—
--CA 4 And they are one God [Elohim],
--CB yea, the very Eternal Father [singular / modalism https://seekingyhwh.org/lectures-on-faith/5th/ ]
--CC of heaven and of earth.
-BA 5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit,
-BB or the Son to the Father,
-BC being one God [Elohim],
AA suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation,
AB but suffereth Himself to be mocked, and scourged,
AC and cast out, and disowned by His people.

40s

[SJR3t2]

Sorry, but not with you at all on this. First thing from my point of view is to listen to Christ and take him seriously. When he said he did away with ALL the law and the "PROPHETS", he really meant it.

ALL means ALL.

The Old Testament is interesting, but it is a dead book. Follow it if you wish, but you will eventually hear, just as the other did: "let the dead bury the dead".

Oh I take it ALL seriously. I even wear Tzitzit. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/tzitzit/ Can you say the same?

John 5:46-47
A 46 For had ye believed Moses,
B ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
A 47 But if ye believe not his writings,
B how shall ye believe my words?

1 Nephi (LDS 19:23) (RLDS 6:3-5) And I did read many things unto them which were written in the BOOKS OF MOSES; but that I might more FULLY PERSUADE them to BELIEVE in the LORD [YHWH] their REDEEMER I did read unto them that which was written by the prophet Isaiah; for I did liken all scriptures unto us, that it might be for our profit and learning.

Why so serious?
If you wish serious, that is what you will get.
I would know.
Everyone was so serious in hell.
But the laughter of a child.
Was not to be found.

"Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God."

Everyone claims they want to be like Yeshua. But when it comes to details everyone gives excuses, showing they are not serious. If you want to sin to cause suffering of the Messiah that's between you and Him, I don't want to do that myself.

Alma (LDS 37:20) (RLDS 17:51) Therefore I command you, my son Helaman, that ye be diligent in fulfilling all my words, and that ye be DILIGENT in KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of GOD [ELOHIM] AS THEY ARE WRITTEN.

Exodus 34:27 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Joshua 1:6-9
AA 6 Be strong and of a good courage:
A-B for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land,
A-B which I sware unto their fathers to give them.
AA 7 Only be thou strong and very courageous,
A-B that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law,
A--C which Moses my servant commanded thee:
A-B turn not from it to the right hand or to the left,
AA that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.
-B 8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth;
--C but thou shalt meditate therein day and night,
---D that thou mayest observe to DO
---D ACCORDING TO ALL THAT IS WRITTEN THEREIN:
--C for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous,
-B and then thou shalt have good success.
AA 9 Have not I commanded thee?
A-B Be strong and of a good courage;
A-B be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed:
AA for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

[SJR3t2]

Mosiah (LDS 15:1-5) (RLDS 8:28-32)
AA 1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God [Elohim]
AB Himself shall come down among the children of men,
AC and shall REDEEM His people.
-BA 2 And because He dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God [Elohim],
-BB and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father,
-BC being the Father and the Son—
-BA 3 The Father, because He was conceived [seen] by the power of God [Elohim] [Torah];
-BB and the Son, because of the flesh;
-BC thus becoming the Father and Son—
--CA 4 And they are one God [Elohim],
--CB yea, the very Eternal Father [singular / modalism https://seekingyhwh.org/lectures-on-faith/5th/ ]
--CC of heaven and of earth.
-BA 5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit,
-BB or the Son to the Father,
-BC being one God [Elohim],
AA suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation,
AB but suffereth Himself to be mocked, and scourged,
AC and cast out, and disowned by His people.

40s

Good to know how you feel about scriptures, you quote a childrens tv show to teach otherwise. take care

[ithink]

Mosiah (LDS 15:1-5) (RLDS 8:28-32)
AA 1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God [Elohim]
AB Himself shall come down among the children of men,
AC and shall REDEEM His people.
-BA 2 And because He dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God [Elohim],
-BB and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father,
-BC being the Father and the Son—
-BA 3 The Father, because He was conceived [seen] by the power of God [Elohim] [Torah];
-BB and the Son, because of the flesh;
-BC thus becoming the Father and Son—
--CA 4 And they are one God [Elohim],
--CB yea, the very Eternal Father [singular / modalism https://seekingyhwh.org/lectures-on-faith/5th/ ]
--CC of heaven and of earth.
-BA 5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit,
-BB or the Son to the Father,
-BC being one God [Elohim],
AA suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation,
AB but suffereth Himself to be mocked, and scourged,
AC and cast out, and disowned by His people.

40s

Good to know how you feel about scriptures, you quote a childrens tv show to teach otherwise. take care

Right over your head.

[SJR3t2]

40s

Good to know how you feel about scriptures, you quote a childrens tv show to teach otherwise. take care

Right over your head.

mocking, what a surprise ...

[ithink]

Oh I take it ALL seriously. I even wear Tzitzit. https://seekingyhwh.org/resources/tzitzit/ Can you say the same?

John 5:46-47
A 46 For had ye believed Moses,
B ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
A 47 But if ye believe not his writings,
B how shall ye believe my words?

1 Nephi (LDS 19:23) (RLDS 6:3-5) And I did read many things unto them which were written in the BOOKS OF MOSES; but that I might more FULLY PERSUADE them to BELIEVE in the LORD [YHWH] their REDEEMER I did read unto them that which was written by the prophet Isaiah; for I did liken all scriptures unto us, that it might be for our profit and learning.

Why so serious?
If you wish serious, that is what you will get.
I would know.
Everyone was so serious in hell.
But the laughter of a child.
Was not to be found.

"Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God."

Everyone claims they want to be like Yeshua. But when it comes to details everyone gives excuses, showing they are not serious. If you want to sin to cause suffering of the Messiah that's between you and Him, I don't want to do that myself.

Alma (LDS 37:20) (RLDS 17:51) Therefore I command you, my son Helaman, that ye be diligent in fulfilling all my words, and that ye be DILIGENT in KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of GOD [ELOHIM] AS THEY ARE WRITTEN.

Exodus 34:27 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Joshua 1:6-9
AA 6 Be strong and of a good courage:
A-B for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land,
A-B which I sware unto their fathers to give them.
AA 7 Only be thou strong and very courageous,
A-B that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law,
A--C which Moses my servant commanded thee:
A-B turn not from it to the right hand or to the left,
AA that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.
-B 8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth;
--C but thou shalt meditate therein day and night,
---D that thou mayest observe to DO
---D ACCORDING TO ALL THAT IS WRITTEN THEREIN:
--C for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous,
-B and then thou shalt have good success.
AA 9 Have not I commanded thee?
A-B Be strong and of a good courage;
A-B be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed:
AA for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

I know what you are attempting to do.
You attempt to look well read and a complex thinker.
The reality is you are quite lost, with no intuition at all.
Your alphabet expositions are actually fishing expeditions, and I'm not biting.

[ithink]

Good to know how you feel about scriptures, you quote a childrens tv show to teach otherwise. take care

Right over your head.

mocking, what a surprise ...

Someone has to put a stop to your nonsense.

[SJR3t2]

Why so serious?
If you wish serious, that is what you will get.
I would know.
Everyone was so serious in hell.
But the laughter of a child.
Was not to be found.

"Therefore, whoso repenteth and cometh unto me as a little child, him will I receive, for of such is the kingdom of God."

Everyone claims they want to be like Yeshua. But when it comes to details everyone gives excuses, showing they are not serious. If you want to sin to cause suffering of the Messiah that's between you and Him, I don't want to do that myself.

Alma (LDS 37:20) (RLDS 17:51) Therefore I command you, my son Helaman, that ye be diligent in fulfilling all my words, and that ye be DILIGENT in KEEPING the COMMANDMENTS of GOD [ELOHIM] AS THEY ARE WRITTEN.

Exodus 34:27 And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

Joshua 1:6-9
AA 6 Be strong and of a good courage:
A-B for unto this people shalt thou divide for an inheritance the land,
A-B which I sware unto their fathers to give them.
AA 7 Only be thou strong and very courageous,
A-B that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law,
A--C which Moses my servant commanded thee:
A-B turn not from it to the right hand or to the left,
AA that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.
-B 8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth;
--C but thou shalt meditate therein day and night,
---D that thou mayest observe to DO
---D ACCORDING TO ALL THAT IS WRITTEN THEREIN:
--C for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous,
-B and then thou shalt have good success.
AA 9 Have not I commanded thee?
A-B Be strong and of a good courage;
A-B be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed:
AA for the Lord thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

I know what you are attempting to do.
You attempt to look well read and a complex thinker.
The reality is you are quite lost, with no intuition at all.
Your alphabet expositions are actually fishing expeditions, and I'm not biting.

oh look, more mocking, instead of expounding ...

[SJR3t2]

Right over your head.

mocking, what a surprise ...

Someone has to put a stop to your nonsense.

how about you try by stop mocking and do some explaining of scriptures

[TheChristian]

I belonged to no church when I had an unexpected encounter with Jesus of Nazerath, knew nothing of creeds, doctrines, had never heard of mormons. And so I was not indoctrinated, nor influenced, nor programed by any man or set of men.
It appears that you were brought up in the Mormon church, went thru all its ceremonies, went on a mission, like many in the mormon church, indeed like so many brought up in the other churchs simply followed a tradition, went with the flow, yet never having an encounter with Jesus.
And hence like many even in the leading echolons of said mormon church clung to traditions, accepting such as veritable truth simply by custom, but never having as said an encounter with Jesus.
Indeed one could say that the very best of you were like the venerable Jewish Elder and Priest Nicodemus.
Simply put most mormons, like those in other churchs have not been Born Again...........
And so my friend having placed your faith apon traditions and apon men, when you witnessed their flaws and human frialties and weaknesses, your faith which was based apon these human leaders, yes your foundation, your traditions crumbled and you floundered.
How is this overcome?
Call apon the Lord Jesus, let your crys ascend to heaven, the bible gives us all a precious promise....

"In the last days whosover shall call apon the name of the Lord (Jesus) shall be saved"

We live in a time were Knowlegde has greatly increased beyond our wildest expectations, yet the only knowlegde that can save our souls is the very simple message of Jesus of Nazerath, yes a light uncomplicated yoke, a teaching that is considered by the wise and the learned of this world foolishness and by religious men on religious treadmills thinking they have great knowlegde of Scripture as worthless.
Dont lean even apon your own wisdom, but seek out with all your heart Jesus of Nazerath.

[TheDuke]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

I'm not sure how you guys twist the scriptures. Jehovah is the father. Jesus worshipped Jehovah. Read John 8.

53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God

[FrankOne]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

I'm not sure how you guys twist the scriptures. Jehovah is the father. Jesus worshipped Jehovah. Read John 8.

53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God

although I could bring other scriptures into this which does disassociate Jesus from Jehovah, I don't ever engage in scripture bashing because everyone has a different interpretation of them....hence, 10,000 differing Christian churches using the same bible.

I do find v54 above to be very ambiguous. It appears to be intentionally cryptic. First, I can not conceive of God 'honoring' Christ. Second, he is talking in riddles in the second portion, although I am guessing that it is clear to you so....therefore, we won't agree.

I am choosing not to argue the fine points of interpretation. We disagree.

If you believe that Christ honors a God that massacres people and commands men to massacre cities to inherit the promised land, then that is your belief, but it is not a belief that I can agree with notwithstanding scriptures which may be interpreted to disprove my standing.

[ithink]

mocking, what a surprise ...

Someone has to put a stop to your nonsense.

how about you try by stop mocking and do some explaining of scriptures

What did Joseph say about gazing into heaven for a few minutes, vs. everything ever written on the matter.

I'm waiting.

Ask away.

[ithink]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

I'm not sure how you guys twist the scriptures. Jehovah is the father. Jesus worshipped Jehovah. Read John 8.

53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God

although I could bring other scriptures into this which does disassociate Jesus from Jehovah, I don't ever engage in scripture bashing because everyone has a different interpretation of them....hence, 10,000 differing Christian churches using the same bible.

I do find v54 above to be very ambiguous. It appears to be intentionally cryptic. First, I can not conceive of God 'honoring' Christ. Second, he is talking in riddles in the second portion, although I am guessing that it is clear to you so....therefore, we won't agree.

I am choosing not to argue the fine points of interpretation. We disagree.

If you believe that Christ honors a God that massacres people and commands men to massacre cities to inherit the promised land, then that is your belief, but it is not a belief that I can agree with notwithstanding scriptures which may be interpreted to disprove my standing.

Your interpretation is good, IMHO. He's talking to the dead ones, it's obvious.

[ithink]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

I'm not sure how you guys twist the scriptures. Jehovah is the father. Jesus worshipped Jehovah. Read John 8.

53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God

Twisted Scripture is a thing.

It's why the entire world is deceived.

Satan, Lucifer, whatever you call him, really has ascended above the clouds, like the most high.

But.

There is always a but.

[ithink]

I belonged to no church when I had an unexpected encounter with Jesus of Nazerath, knew nothing of creeds, doctrines, had never heard of mormons. And so I was not indoctrinated, nor influenced, nor programed by any man or set of men.
It appears that you were brought up in the Mormon church, went thru all its ceremonies, went on a mission, like many in the mormon church, indeed like so many brought up in the other churchs simply followed a tradition, went with the flow, yet never having an encounter with Jesus.
And hence like many even in the leading echolons of said mormon church clung to traditions, accepting such as veritable truth simply by custom, but never having as said an encounter with Jesus.
Indeed one could say that the very best of you were like the venerable Jewish Elder and Priest Nicodemus.
Simply put most mormons, like those in other churchs have not been Born Again...........
And so my friend having placed your faith apon traditions and apon men, when you witnessed their flaws and human frialties and weaknesses, your faith which was based apon these human leaders, yes your foundation, your traditions crumbled and you floundered.
How is this overcome?
Call apon the Lord Jesus, let your crys ascend to heaven, the bible gives us all a precious promise....

"In the last days whosover shall call apon the name of the Lord (Jesus) shall be saved"

We live in a time were Knowlegde has greatly increased beyond our wildest expectations, yet the only knowlegde that can save our souls is the very simple message of Jesus of Nazerath, yes a light uncomplicated yoke, a teaching that is considered by the wise and the learned of this world foolishness and by religious men on religious treadmills thinking they have great knowlegde of Scripture as worthless.
Dont lean even apon your own wisdom, but seek out with all your heart Jesus of Nazerath.

Who are you speaking to?

[SJR3t2]

Someone has to put a stop to your nonsense.

how about you try by stop mocking and do some explaining of scriptures

What did Joseph say about gazing into heaven for a few minutes, vs. everything ever written on the matter.

I'm waiting.

Ask away.

What does that have to do with the subject at hand? Not to mention JS also taught us that new revelation from YHWH will NOT contradict prev revelations from YHWH.

[ithink]

The God of the Old Testament is that lowly Jew known as Jesus of Nazerath in the New Testament.

Who told you that?

"Jesus of Nazareth" the one whom hung apon the Cross for you and me and all creation. .

You believe you met Christ and he told you he is the God of the OT?

[ithink]

how about you try by stop mocking and do some explaining of scriptures

What did Joseph say about gazing into heaven for a few minutes, vs. everything ever written on the matter.

I'm waiting.

Ask away.

What does that have to do with the subject at hand? Not to mention JS also taught us that new revelation from YHWH will NOT contradict prev revelations from YHWH.

If you can't see what it means, it would mean less if I were to tell you.

The great part about YHWH, is he's consistent.
That makes him easy to distinguish from Christ.

[TheDuke]

I do find v54 above to be very ambiguous. It appears to be intentionally cryptic. First, I can not conceive of God 'honoring' Christ. Second, he is talking in riddles in the second portion, although I am guessing that it is clear to you so....therefore, we won't agree.

I am choosing not to argue the fine points of interpretation. We disagree.

If you believe that Christ honors a God that massacres people and commands men to massacre cities to inherit the promised land, then that is your belief, but it is not a belief that I can agree with notwithstanding scriptures which may be interpreted to disprove my standing.

First, I guess you are the only one to consider a direct statement cryptic. Jesus said many times he honored his father and he said many times his father sent him, and he said many times the Jews worshipped his father. They are not that cryptic.

Second, I think you should try to read my posts and statements a bit slower............................. I said clearly (before) that I don't accept the post-Babylonian deuteronimists statements of the take over of the holy land. If you read commentaries and study it, you will find that portion of the bible to be written so that Jews can lay claim to the land on their return after fall of Babylon. The harshness and statements are to show the locals (Samaritans brought there by Babylonians and poor locals left behind) had no right to the land or involvement in the temple. I don't accept Moses and Joshua were commanded to kill everyone and everything. And, btw history shows they didn't. No big wars, shared pottery and designs, common DNA, etc.... They integrated, not decimated. This narrative was created by the Deuteronimists in Babylon. IMO.

Either way, it doesn't matter here. This is the LDS FF, not Catholic FF, so we can and should use LDS definitions and terms, (unless otherwise making them up). In LDS terms (Joseph Smith) Jehovah is "the Father" as Jesus stated. Now, current LDS (RMN) just made a declaration Jehovah is Jesus or was Jesus I should say. I openly rejected that statement above and some how you missed that as well.

In a previous post, we argued that I said that I was taught by the spirit (very recently I might add) that Jehovah is the father and is Adam. At least that is what the spirit "yelled" to me until I accepted it. It took a while for me to accept that BY could have been right on this. But 3 times the spirit came and said the same thing over several days.

So, I guess I don't care who or what you think Jehovah is, it doesn't affect me. I don't wish it to affect others. You glibly say you will not argue scriptures, while you sit here and tell the readers Jehovah is evil, or Odin or someone? Really, how quaint?