Yahweh is...

[ithink]

What say ye?

Yahweh is El. Bruh.
Yahweh is Lucifer. Huh?
Yahweh is Christ. What?

We all know what mormons think the god of the old testament is.

Who do you think Yahweh is?

Reason I ask, is I watched an online minister on youtube tonight (not really, this has been bothering me for a decade) give us Gods' word, verbatim. He gave a preamble, that if he wasn't really giving "gods" word, he would take responsibility, and stand before him. I'm not one to just say he's an idiot and a liar. Experience has taught me there is a LOT more going on around us than we could ever imagine. I also know I was taught the Roman version of the scriptures. After watching several videos, listening to those around me, and contemplating my own trip to heaven, and hell, I am not sure he wasn't "channeling' something. He probably was. He claims it was Yahweh. Fine. But isn't Yahweh the god of Jacob (Israel)?

Furthermore, consider that some think Yahweh is the same god the Muslims hold to be Allah. I don't necessarily accept this but for now it seems plausible, as a god name Allah was already present at the time Mohammad wrote the Koran. Later, as I understand it, he elevated Allah to the top of the pile. Either way, Allah is now considered to be the supreme god of Islam. Now we all think that Judaism and Islam and even Christianity (three major religions) are monotheistic religions, but as Mormons (I consider myself former), we don't have any trouble thinking of a plurality of gods. I mean, Elohim is just the plural of El. Note also that some believe the early Christians elevated Yahweh above El. Note that the Jews now have Yahweh on top also.

Starting to see a pattern? Makes me think of someone who wanted to elevate himself above the most high. It seems he has accomplished his task.

We are taught that in the garden of Eden, a certain serpent promised some things to Adam and Eve if they partook of the fruit. Ultimately, what they were promised, they were given. One thing I learned in my trip to hell, is the membership there are not assigned it. They actually chose it, so it was literally gifted to them. It is my firm believe that God (whom I call El, the most high), doesn't force anything on anyone. That seems to be a think for "lesser gods". We know that this serpent was what the Children of Israel needed to look to, or perish. A serpent? Yea. Hey, wait a minute! And also, isn't this Yahweh the same one who claimed "I am a jealous god"? Sure is. But would you not think a supreme god wouldn't need anything, and therefore be incapable of jealousy? I'd think so.

So if we consider that God just gives us (allows us) what we want, what are we to make of Adam and Eve, who acquiesced to the serpent and were then cast down to earth -- with that serpent!? Hmmm.

Furthermore, consider that at the inception of Islam, a certain "Gabriel" was central to that event. Also consider the involvement of a "'Gabriel" at the birth of Christ, and at the inception apparently of Mormonism. WTF? Just who is this Gabriel, really, and what is he doing? If he is Noah, then isn't he subject to Yahweh, as was Moses / and the Children of Israel? Sure, must be.

But there is more. Islam consider Christ to be a prophet only. OK whatever, but with that thought in mind, think about how Christ did away with "all the law AND THE PROPHETS". Hmmm. So if it's all done away with (and it is folks, it is -- ALL OF IT), then what replaced it? Well, Christ did. And who is Christ? If he's not Yahweh (and IMHO he's not), then he came to earth and trumped Yahweh. And because of that, someone is pissed off and it seems he wants to prove himself. I remember that the serpent was in the garden, and he was a bit upset there. We also know that Christ was crucified under the inscription "The King of the Jews". Yea, that's mockery if there ever was any. But why "King of the Jews"? If that was prompted by the jealous Yahweh, it makes more sense, at least to me. BTW, it seems, and I can't find the reference, but in the ages, as we mimic a donkey with "hee haw", the Hebrew voicing of that word, the name of Yahweh (Yah weh), sounds like the sound of a donkey. So what did Mary ride into Bethlehem for the birth of Christ? A donkey of course. Ouch. Now think again of the mockery of calling him the "King of the Jews" at his crucifixion.

Now we have Israel vs. Palestine / etc. Sorry, but there is absolutely zero way I am accepting a state created by a f****** banking dynasty to be the legit thing. So what is it? Are they they just ignoring god? Or are they in fact, channeling and following Yahweh to the letter? I mean, how did Yahweh operate in the OT? Yea, it was "go over there, take the city, murder everyone, rape the women and slaughter the children". Looking around, it seems that the Zionists are stuck in the OT, and I believe at this time they are ACTUALLY following the dictates of Yahweh himself. Guess who else is. Yea, the Muslims. Father Abraham common father, and as I said, some believe that Allah is just the Islamic version of Yahweh, and the BOTH, sorry, they ALL three have elevated Yahweh above even El. Hmmm. And then you have a dragon (same as serpent) giving power to the beast (Rev 13). Even drawing fire out of heaven. Yikes.

Finally, for now, here's something to ponder. "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years...". Rev 20:2

"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." John 2:22

To the Jews, Christ said: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John 8:44

'And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." Rev 12

So. What say ye?

[BuriedTartaria]

We all know what mormons think the god of the old testament is.

Who do you think Yahweh is?

Jehovah, right? And could you remind me of what your avatar/icon is? It looks like a statue buried in water. Is that correct?

[ithink]

We all know what mormons think the god of the old testament is.

Who do you think Yahweh is?

Jehovah, right? And could you remind me of what your avatar/icon is? It looks like a statue buried in water. Is that correct?

Who is Jehovah?

My avatar is the Dimholt road.

I am still walking that road.

Preface to A Burnt Child:

"This is for the honest truth seeker
Who will not compromise
what is real
for what is not
Yet willing to bend
but who will not break

Not to the rich saints
But the poor sinners
Cast out of the synagogues
for their poverty of belief

Not to the priest
but to the people
Not to those who have eyes
but will not see
Neither to those with ears
but who will not hear
Nor to those with hearts
but who cannot feel
who will not feel

This is for those
who hold their integrity
and their honor
higher than the honors of men
Who have walked the Dimholt road
Who feared not the way
or the dead that keep it"

The only think I would add to that, is this:

"This is for those
who hold their integrity
and their honor
higher than the honors of... Yahweh"

[TheChristian]

The God of the Old Testament is that lowly Jew known as Jesus of Nazerath in the New Testament.

[Bronco73idi]

Psalms 82
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

John 10
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


Are ye not a child of the most high?

Are the aboriginals?

Gospel of Thomas
15 Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is your father."

John 8
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

Your father will let you choose your works.

[TheDuke]

LDS teach in the temple since Feb this year (I'm told) that Jehovah is Jesus. Jesus said to the Jews that they worshipped his father so Jesus says that the Father is Jehovah. He then says he was with him "I am". but the translators say really should have been translated "I am that I am" meaning he is Jehovah. LDS accepts this statement. I find it funny that Jesus would clearly say the Father is Jehovah then in a cryptic way that takes some translation funnies that he meant his is? I personally do not accept it.

I have come to trust and embrace Joseph's last teachings on the subject. I have had the spirit reveal to me they are true, at least key portions have been revealed. Joseph's terms (LDS) are that Elohim is the council of the head gods. Jehovah was given command to create this earth. Jehovah selected the son. So either Jehovah is one of the head gods and also selected the Father or his is the Father. I feel Jehovah is the title the Father had before becoming our father, or Adam.

Now, I do feel that later, after the atonement, Jesus received the rights and authority to become a Jehovah or Father as well. Hence he "became" the father and the son. But he was not the father in the beginning or OT times or before the atonement, he was the son and not Jehovah.

Those are my feelings. Interesting the question came up. It has been my primary study topic and prayer topic for going on 4 months for some reason. I have not yet fully been disclosed everything on the topic, but I feel enough to know that Jehovah is not Jesus in OT and BoM times.

[3Nephi18:25]

Early one morning in the spring several years ago I awoke with the name YHWH singing in my heart. It was when my walk with Christ was just beginning in earnest. YHWH is Christ for me. I still call Him that sometimes.

I wonder if the video you are referencing is the most recent one from Randy Kay. I just listened to him this morning and he said the words you describe before praying. His words were full of truth and light I believe.

[BuriedTartaria]

My avatar is the Dimholt road.

I am still walking that road.

Thank you for the info. Good luck on your path.

[ithink]

The God of the Old Testament is that lowly Jew known as Jesus of Nazerath in the New Testament.

Who told you that?

[ithink]

LDS teach in the temple since Feb this year (I'm told) that Jehovah is Jesus. Jesus said to the Jews that they worshipped his father so Jesus says that the Father is Jehovah. He then says he was with him "I am". but the translators say really should have been translated "I am that I am" meaning he is Jehovah. LDS accepts this statement. I find it funny that Jesus would clearly say the Father is Jehovah then in a cryptic way that takes some translation funnies that he meant his is? I personally do not accept it.

I have come to trust and embrace Joseph's last teachings on the subject. I have had the spirit reveal to me they are true, at least key portions have been revealed. Joseph's terms (LDS) are that Elohim is the council of the head gods. Jehovah was given command to create this earth. Jehovah selected the son. So either Jehovah is one of the head gods and also selected the Father or his is the Father. I feel Jehovah is the title the Father had before becoming our father, or Adam.

Now, I do feel that later, after the atonement, Jesus received the rights and authority to become a Jehovah or Father as well. Hence he "became" the father and the son. But he was not the father in the beginning or OT times or before the atonement, he was the son and not Jehovah.

Those are my feelings. Interesting the question came up. It has been my primary study topic and prayer topic for going on 4 months for some reason. I have not yet fully been disclosed everything on the topic, but I feel enough to know that Jehovah is not Jesus in OT and BoM times.

This subject is intriguing to me. I have never been satisfied with the "o, the old testament god is just Jesus".

I am satisfied YHWH is Lucifer.

If the LDS taught that, I'd probably still be in there.

[ithink]

Early one morning in the spring several years ago I awoke with the name YHWH singing in my heart. It was when my walk with Christ was just beginning in earnest. YHWH is Christ for me. I still call Him that sometimes.

I wonder if the video you are referencing is the most recent one from Randy Kay. I just listened to him this morning and he said the words you describe before praying. His words were full of truth and light I believe.

I respect your position.

My position is that Lucifer, as a god, is not the devil kind of satan that you find in hollywood movies. Not at all. He's a god, and he is the god of this world at this time.

Put in your mind that the devil is Yahweh, then go read all of Christs comments to the Jews again. Read the account of the "temptation" of Christ. Look at the fall, garden of Eden. etc. It all makes almost perfect sense if that is done. It also makes sense that those who follow Yahweh today, AKA Judaism and Islam, and also ALL Christianity, are following the wrong god, some of the time.

Now think of Christmas time. How do you feel? Why do you feel like that? Christmas is when all Christendom get it right all together at the same time. The focus is of Christ, and Christ only.

My position of Yahweh is that he has had his time, and it is over.

As for Randy Kay, as someone who has been to the other side, I have to say there is something wrong with that man and some of his guests likely had experiences I am sure, but they have begun to blend things up into their ministries and their belief systems. I have been tempted to do such as well, but I have refused. I learned that lesson studying Joseph Smith and his "first vision" account for that, which BTW he did have an experience, but not the one cited by missionaries today. In short, I have no time for liars. Liars have their place though, and we should all take note where that is and ensure this does not describe us:

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

[TheChristian]

The God of the Old Testament is that lowly Jew known as Jesus of Nazerath in the New Testament.

Who told you that?

"Jesus of Nazareth" the one whom hung apon the Cross for you and me and all creation. .

[TheDuke]

LDS teach in the temple since Feb this year (I'm told) that Jehovah is Jesus. Jesus said to the Jews that they worshipped his father so Jesus says that the Father is Jehovah. He then says he was with him "I am". but the translators say really should have been translated "I am that I am" meaning he is Jehovah. LDS accepts this statement. I find it funny that Jesus would clearly say the Father is Jehovah then in a cryptic way that takes some translation funnies that he meant his is? I personally do not accept it.

I have come to trust and embrace Joseph's last teachings on the subject. I have had the spirit reveal to me they are true, at least key portions have been revealed. Joseph's terms (LDS) are that Elohim is the council of the head gods. Jehovah was given command to create this earth. Jehovah selected the son. So either Jehovah is one of the head gods and also selected the Father or his is the Father. I feel Jehovah is the title the Father had before becoming our father, or Adam.

Now, I do feel that later, after the atonement, Jesus received the rights and authority to become a Jehovah or Father as well. Hence he "became" the father and the son. But he was not the father in the beginning or OT times or before the atonement, he was the son and not Jehovah.

Those are my feelings. Interesting the question came up. It has been my primary study topic and prayer topic for going on 4 months for some reason. I have not yet fully been disclosed everything on the topic, but I feel enough to know that Jehovah is not Jesus in OT and BoM times.

This subject is intriguing to me. I have never been satisfied with the "o, the old testament god is just Jesus".

I am satisfied YHWH is Lucifer.

If the LDS taught that, I'd probably still be in there.

you have pretty twisted Ideas and your logic is fully flawed by both LDS and traditional Jewish and Christian sources and teachings. I think you don't even comprehend who Lucifer is? Who do you think he is? That is one of the tidbits that I've been shown. He certainly isn't the father or the son or the Holy Ghost. He is the father of chaos here, but only in this realm is there a concept of good-vs-evil. In the rest of the universe (outside this testing and training facility) it isn't good-and-evil, it is progressed and less progressed. Here we blame a mother grizzly for eating a human child, else where the grizzly isn't allowed to play with human children for example. Lucifer (or his leaders etc...) run the lower realms where the spirit beings and life don't yet want the knowledge god (including Jehovah) would offer them. And god cannot press them to conform or accept him, so they let Lucifer rule them. Not that complex really. but Lucifer surely isn't Jehovah.

[FrankOne]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

[FrankOne]

Early one morning in the spring several years ago I awoke with the name YHWH singing in my heart. It was when my walk with Christ was just beginning in earnest. YHWH is Christ for me. I still call Him that sometimes.

I wonder if the video you are referencing is the most recent one from Randy Kay. I just listened to him this morning and he said the words you describe before praying. His words were full of truth and light I believe.

My position is that Lucifer, as a god, is not the devil kind of satan that you find in hollywood movies. Not at all. He's a god, and he is the god of this world at this time.

It is of my opinion that Lucifer is not Satan. Lucifer wanted to be sent to force all of God's children to come back home and to have the glory of it. I see him as a god that represents 'forced righteousness' which is against God's will. God's will is to let man have free will and learn by choice, hence, the juxtaposed response of Christ, "Send me and thy will be done" . Did both of them get sent at different times with two different missions?

It is likely that Satan is the nemesis of Lucifer. Satan is the one behind pedophiles, corruption, and all the twisted views that we are seeing today. Lucifer stands for righteousness, but believes that tyrannical force is the best way to accomplish things.

It is possible, although quite theoretical, that the last war will be between the sinister Evil of Satan and the Ultra-right angry Lucifer with the result being a peaceful world under the leadership and authority of Christ. Lucifer will get what he came for which will be the garnered souls committed to him. ...and ...then...leave, as likely previously agreed upon by the hierarchies .

I used to think I was the only one with the foregoing theory, but a few years ago , I was talking with a friend of mine that is a Mason and he told me that this was the teaching given to him as a Mason. BUT, he excludes the mission of Christ as I have set forth above. It's almost as if Christ is not considered the Savior by the Masons, but I am just speculating.

My point of view may seem far fetched, but just look around you. How many religious people today want evil to be forced to be 'good'? How many would applaud a forced righteousness? The self righteous WILL.

[ithink]

LDS teach in the temple since Feb this year (I'm told) that Jehovah is Jesus. Jesus said to the Jews that they worshipped his father so Jesus says that the Father is Jehovah. He then says he was with him "I am". but the translators say really should have been translated "I am that I am" meaning he is Jehovah. LDS accepts this statement. I find it funny that Jesus would clearly say the Father is Jehovah then in a cryptic way that takes some translation funnies that he meant his is? I personally do not accept it.

I have come to trust and embrace Joseph's last teachings on the subject. I have had the spirit reveal to me they are true, at least key portions have been revealed. Joseph's terms (LDS) are that Elohim is the council of the head gods. Jehovah was given command to create this earth. Jehovah selected the son. So either Jehovah is one of the head gods and also selected the Father or his is the Father. I feel Jehovah is the title the Father had before becoming our father, or Adam.

Now, I do feel that later, after the atonement, Jesus received the rights and authority to become a Jehovah or Father as well. Hence he "became" the father and the son. But he was not the father in the beginning or OT times or before the atonement, he was the son and not Jehovah.

Those are my feelings. Interesting the question came up. It has been my primary study topic and prayer topic for going on 4 months for some reason. I have not yet fully been disclosed everything on the topic, but I feel enough to know that Jehovah is not Jesus in OT and BoM times.

This subject is intriguing to me. I have never been satisfied with the "o, the old testament god is just Jesus".

I am satisfied YHWH is Lucifer.

If the LDS taught that, I'd probably still be in there.

you have pretty twisted Ideas and your logic is fully flawed by both LDS and traditional Jewish and Christian sources and teachings. I think you don't even comprehend who Lucifer is? Who do you think he is? That is one of the tidbits that I've been shown. He certainly isn't the father or the son or the Holy Ghost. He is the father of chaos here, but only in this realm is there a concept of good-vs-evil. In the rest of the universe (outside this testing and training facility) it isn't good-and-evil, it is progressed and less progressed. Here we blame a mother grizzly for eating a human child, else where the grizzly isn't allowed to play with human children for example. Lucifer (or his leaders etc...) run the lower realms where the spirit beings and life don't yet want the knowledge god (including Jehovah) would offer them. And god cannot press them to conform or accept him, so they let Lucifer rule them. Not that complex really. but Lucifer surely isn't Jehovah.

Your reading of early Jewish literature is obviously thin.

"I've been shown". OK. By whom? Yahweh? Makes sense.

[ithink]

Early one morning in the spring several years ago I awoke with the name YHWH singing in my heart. It was when my walk with Christ was just beginning in earnest. YHWH is Christ for me. I still call Him that sometimes.

I wonder if the video you are referencing is the most recent one from Randy Kay. I just listened to him this morning and he said the words you describe before praying. His words were full of truth and light I believe.

My position is that Lucifer, as a god, is not the devil kind of satan that you find in hollywood movies. Not at all. He's a god, and he is the god of this world at this time.

It is of my opinion that Lucifer is not Satan. Lucifer wanted to be sent to force all of God's children to come back home and to have the glory of it. I see him as a god that represents 'forced righteousness' which is against God's will. God's will is to let man have free will and learn by choice, hence, the juxtaposed response of Christ, "Send me and thy will be done" . Did both of them get sent at different times with two different missions?

It is likely that Satan is the nemesis of Lucifer. Satan is the one behind pedophiles, corruption, and all the twisted views that we are seeing today. Lucifer stands for righteousness, but believes that tyrannical force is the best way to accomplish things.

It is possible, although quite theoretical, that the last war will be between the sinister Evil of Satan and the Ultra-right angry Lucifer with the result being a peaceful world under the leadership and authority of Christ. Lucifer will get what he came for which will be the garnered souls committed to him. ...and ...then...leave, as likely previously agreed upon by the hierarchies .

I used to think I was the only one with the foregoing theory, but a few years ago , I was talking with a friend of mine that is a Mason and he told me that this was the teaching given to him as a Mason. BUT, he excludes the mission of Christ as I have set forth above. It's almost as if Christ is not considered the Savior by the Masons, but I am just speculating.

My point of view may seem far fetched, but just look around you. How many religious people today want evil to be forced to be 'good'? How many would applaud a forced righteousness? The self righteous WILL.

" Evil of Satan and the Ultra-right angry Lucifer".

Bruh, with all due respect, this is way the fetch out there.

[ithink]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

Christ is not jealous. Nor is El.

Christ did not order anyone to murder anyone.

On this, the LDS church has been swayed by Yahweh himself. Something about the very elect...

True, whether they are or not is important, as long as you, are not, IMHO.

[SJR3t2]

The scriptures teach modalism. Lectures on Faith 5 https://seekingyhwh.org/lectures-on-faith/5th/ makes this clear with the word PERSONAGE, which is different than person.

At the end of this recording I bring out how Moroni 7:2 teaches modalism and that the Holy Spirit is Torah.

Deuteronomy 30 shows how Torah is to be kept before and after the Second Coming. Perceptions of keeping Torah. Moroni 7:3-5 is about knowing Torah is true. Talked about the 8th day and it’s symbolism. 8th day proves Lunar Sabbath. Symbolism in the Ohio Newark Earthworks Mounds. Modalism in Moroni 7:2.
https://seekingyhwh.org/scripture-study/2023-10-06/

[FrankOne]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

Christ is not jealous. Nor is El.

Christ did not order anyone to murder anyone.

On this, the LDS church has been swayed by Yahweh himself. Something about the very elect...

True, whether they are or not is important, as long as you, are not, IMHO.

i'm still working on becoming hollow bamboo

[ithink]

The scriptures teach modalism. Lectures on Faith 5 https://seekingyhwh.org/lectures-on-faith/5th/ makes this clear with the word PERSONAGE, which is different than person.

At the end of this recording I bring out how Moroni 7:2 teaches modalism and that the Holy Spirit is Torah.

Deuteronomy 30 shows how Torah is to be kept before and after the Second Coming. Perceptions of keeping Torah. Moroni 7:3-5 is about knowing Torah is true. Talked about the 8th day and it’s symbolism. 8th day proves Lunar Sabbath. Symbolism in the Ohio Newark Earthworks Mounds. Modalism in Moroni 7:2.
https://seekingyhwh.org/scripture-study/2023-10-06/

Sorry, but not with you at all on this. First thing from my point of view is to listen to Christ and take him seriously. When he said he did away with ALL the law and the "PROPHETS", he really meant it.

ALL means ALL.

The Old Testament is interesting, but it is a dead book. Follow it if you wish, but you will eventually hear, just as the other did: "let the dead bury the dead".

[ithink]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

Christ is not jealous. Nor is El.

Christ did not order anyone to murder anyone.

On this, the LDS church has been swayed by Yahweh himself. Something about the very elect...

True, whether they are or not is important, as long as you, are not, IMHO.

i'm still working on becoming hollow bamboo

[TheDuke]

"I've been shown". OK. By whom? Yahweh? Makes sense.

HG

[logonbump]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

Christ is not jealous. Nor is El.

Christ did not order anyone to murder anyone.

On this, the LDS church has been swayed by Yahweh himself. Something about the very elect...

True, whether they are or not is important, as long as you, are not, IMHO.

Isaiah 10
5 Hail the Assyrian, the rod of my anger!
He is a staff—my wrath in their hand.a
6 I will commission him against a godless nation,
appoint him over the people
deserving of my vengeance,
to pillage for plunder, to spoliate for spoil,
to tread underfoot like mud in the streets.
7 Nevertheless, it shall not seem so to him;
this shall not be what he has in mind.
His purpose shall be to annihilate
and to exterminate nations not a few.

Seems that there is precedent for the killing. God used the wicked to judge the wicked; even unto death. In the case of the
Israelites killing a tribe, as they were commanded, who said Israel was righteous? It just follows a pattern the Lord has promised to use whether a tyrannical king as in Isaiah or his heathen (locust) army.

[BuriedTartaria]

my point of view is that Jehovah is the Lord over fallen man.

He wiped out vast groups in anger.

He says he is jealous and vengeful.

He says that he lamented creating man. ....so ...regretful as well.

He commanded Joshua et al to murder an entire city of people, women, children, babies, and animals so they could mop up the blood and possess their homes and property as the "promised land".

Obviously a necessary 'god', but who is he? Maybe Zeus or Odin or even Yaldabaoth, creation of Sophia, (without a consort).

Not really important to me since Christ solved it all. He really did.

Compelling and interesting points.