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"Stop seeing people's actions and start seeing people. Seeking to feel their hearts and to feel their pain with them, then barriers start to come down." Chanté Stutznegger

I got this email this morning. I thought the subject was interesting. I truly wondered what they were talking about with a subject like that. I was actually in disbelief. What are they doing, deep dives into eastern philosophies or allowing real conversations from open minded members?

Nope, they start with a quote about ignoring people's actions. STOP SEEING? That's not a red flag Is this coming from the church who assert that acting on same sex attraction is the only problem? Their social media partner is saying we need to stop seeing actions, seeing people and feeling their hearts is the important part. What barriers do we want to come down? This default racist until proven otherwise is crazy. Look at the white guilt in the KSL article below. They're getting into peoples heads and making good people feel guilty so they ask questions and then these SJW's claim there is a high demand for white people correcting and learning. Maybe stop focusing on race people and the church might want to notice how obviously evil the race agenda is. Open-minded is right. Give us access to your mind and we will implant poison philosophies inside.

It would appear that the church, through its news outlet and bookstore have been using these women to work the room since George F.
Utah County sisters use their voices to promote change
https://www.ksl.com/article/46766870/ut ... ote-change

You know when they drag out words like ally and anti-racist exactly where they're headed.

"PROVO — Protests that have swept the country since George Floyd’s death in police custody in Minneapolis have heightened the awareness of racism in our country, and many are looking for resources and voices to learn from and become better anti-racism allies."

"She added they’re getting questions like, “We’re teaching our kids to be kind and loving; isn’t that enough?” and “We want to be an active part of making a change, but where do we start?”

Where to start may be different for each person. The sisters said for everyone though, an exploration of what it means to be black and what it means to be white starts with an understanding that racism is rooted in American society.

People need to consider new perspectives. And dialogue is always important.

“We sometimes want to dig deeper but we’re finding that keeping it simple is why we’re having such good response,” Bradley said.

They aren’t the only ones using social media to bridge the racial divide. Meikel Reece is an active voice on her Instagram page, @MixedWomxn. Her page has been flooded with questions, mostly from white women, she said, who want change.

“Some of them are a little bit more like, ‘I don’t want to be called a white person, you know? I don’t like the tone. I don’t like what’s being inferred,'” said Reece, who lives in Provo."

Richard's topic is interesting. I think it's strange to consider limiting spiritual or intellectual. Is someone afraid their spiritual is exceeding their intellectual? Does he mean how does one become skilled at shutting spiritual feelings down when following the science makes more sense and shutting off my brain when I should be listening to the spirit? I feel like there could be some manipulation going on with a topic like this. Is this just about learning how to accept when leaders say do something with a scientific basis but also do things when they say there is only a spiritual reason which might defy logic? That inner struggle my cause uncomfortable feelings in some I guess. I'd actually like to hear a few minutes of this one to see where he takes it but I'm not paying $60 for it. I do think some people have a strong desire for balance on these two things. I might even say some have a little obsession with this. Some people I know think they have a perfect balance of both.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 6th, 2023, 1:17 pm Richard's topic is interesting. I think it's strange to consider limiting spiritual or intellectual. Is someone afraid their spiritual is exceeding their intellectual? Does he mean how does one become skilled at shutting spiritual feelings down when following the science makes more sense and shutting off my brain when I should be listening to the spirit? I feel like there could be some manipulation going on with a topic like this. Is this just about learning how to accept when leaders say do something with a scientific basis but also do things when they say there is only a spiritual reason which might defy logic? That inner struggle my cause uncomfortable feelings in some I guess. I'd actually like to hear a few minutes of this one to see where he takes it but I'm not paying $60 for it. I do think some people have a strong desire for balance on these two things. I might even say some have a little obsession with this. Some people I know think they have a perfect balance of both.

feels creepy
I''m not buying anything these people are selling
no matter how they try to spin it

I got another email today with all the same speakers but the subject line of the email was "Faith Untangled" and the heading was "Simplify the complexity of a faith-based lifestyle with insights from this speaker series."

Below that it says, "Explore important gospel questions with trusted and thoughtful voices."

They are really pushing these speakers. I think DB sells baked goods so why not sell milk as well? I'm glad they told me these are trusted sources. Trusted by who? Living a faith-based lifestyle isn't complex but it can be difficult. We have examples of living a faith-based lifestyle, here are a few:

Jesus and apostles
Job
Emma
Multiple Josephs
Nephi
Almas
Mormon (shh win for satan)
Members of the Martin and Willie co
Abinadi
Russell Nelson

Why would someone's faith be tangled? How would listening to folks do anything but tangle it more? I think what they mean by simplifying the complexity of a faith-based lifestyle is how to follow Christ and worldly things at the same time. Listening to Richard Turley Jr. speak about what the right balance between spiritual and intellectual is sounds exactly like that. Those sisters, woops I mean "sistas" talking about how we can follow Christ by being anti-racist allies (racist) is what they mean by untangling faith. The world isn't dripping into the church, it's rushing like a river into the church. All of this fluff only distracts and complicates and distracts us from following Him. These middle-men and women might have some good things to say and may even be educated but we don't need them to follow Him. And their prices are insane.

Seed Starter wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 6:24 pm I got another email today with all the same speakers but the subject line of the email was "Faith Untangled" and the heading was "Simplify the complexity of a faith-based lifestyle with insights from this speaker series."

Below that it says, "Explore important gospel questions with trusted and thoughtful voices."

They are really pushing these speakers. I think DB sells baked goods so why not sell milk as well? I'm glad they told me these are trusted sources. Trusted by who? Living a faith-based lifestyle isn't complex but it can be difficult. We have examples of living a faith-based lifestyle, here are a few:

Jesus and apostles
Job
Emma
Multiple Josephs
Nephi
Almas
Mormon (shh win for satan)
Members of the Martin and Willie co
Abinadi
Russell Nelson

Why would someone's faith be tangled? How would listening to folks do anything but tangle it more? I think what they mean by simplifying the complexity of a faith-based lifestyle is how to follow Christ and worldly things at the same time. Listening to Richard Turley Jr. speak about what the right balance between spiritual and intellectual is sounds exactly like that. Those sisters, woops I mean "sistas" talking about how we can follow Christ by being anti-racist allies (racist) is what they mean by untangling faith. The world isn't dripping into the church, it's rushing like a river into the church. All of this fluff only distracts and complicates and distracts us from following Him. These middle-men and women might have some good things to say and may even be educated but we don't need them to follow Him. And their prices are insane.

Isn’t that what happens at every sacrament meeting talk? You listen to someone who is not on the list?

This is just a business move for DB. They want to popularize their authors. The idea is that if you come see them and hear them speak, you will come to DB and buy more books. Even the DB facebook page is nothing but a sell job.

I generally go to the DI to get good "church" books. Some of those oldies are real goodies.

DB is trying to makes their list of people “popular in the eyes” of the members, in order to get the “praise of the world” and to “get gain” in the world.

Admission costs money, and it doesn’t matter the ticket price, for people to come hear these speakers talk about “ their own wisdom and their own learning”. This venue is available for them to “preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world that they may get gain and praise of the world”.

Looks like they pretty much fulfill the definition of PRIESTCRAFT. You can’t talk about godly things/principles and involve getting paid for it without crossing the line into priestcraft.

Lineman1012 wrote: ↑October 13th, 2023, 10:24 pm DB is trying to makes their list of people “popular in the eyes” of the members, in order to get the “praise of the world” and to “get gain” in the world.

Admission costs money, and it doesn’t matter the ticket price, for people to come hear these speakers talk about “ their own wisdom and their own learning”. This venue is available for them to “preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world that they may get gain and praise of the world”.

Looks like they pretty much fulfill the definition of PRIESTCRAFT. You can’t talk about godly things/principles and involve getting paid for it without crossing the line into priestcraft.

Well said.

"To promote change"

Change happens anyway. The cult of change is ridiculous, it is not necessarily a good thing in and of itself and some of these people may find they get the change that they weren't after.

Aging is "change", for example. The aftermath of a violent earthquake is "change". When people use fashionable buzzwords like these, they don't think them through. Obama used "change" as a slogan – in return his voters saw Third World countries bombed thousands of times, which was change, but not the type they sought. (Yet they also found themselves with a whole load of Clinton "hand me downs", which wasn't change.) Rishi Sunak is currently calling himself the "change" candidate in the UK (he wants to change everything to what his corrupt WEF friends are after.)