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Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 8:22 pm
by fractal_light_harvest
Serragon wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 8:15 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 7:18 pm
1. Just because a man is ordained with keys, does not necessarily mean the Lord is pleased with him. (D&C121)
Our fixation on keys in this church is interesting. I realize it is necessary in the absence of actual fruits of the Spirit, as there is no other source of authority to use to validate claims to divinely lead God's church. But interesting nonetheless.
We act as though the keys themselves are what is important, when in reality it is what the keys provide access to that is important. If the keys no longer provide access to that precious thing, then of what value are they?
Imagine I give you keys to something very precious of mine. I vetted you and found you worthy and up to the task of caretaking that precious thing. I also give you the authority to make copies of those keys and give to other worthy individuals.
Now imagine over time that the keys get distributed more and more to those who no longer are worthy of them. Are the keys so important that I would go around trying to gather all of them back up? Or would I simply change the lock so the keys were useless?
I feel that this is where we are today. We claim keys, but they no longer provide access to the precious thing for which they were intended.
Yes I do believe that what you wrote is true I’m pretty sure. This makes sense to me and seems to match what the scriptures are saying if I am understanding them correctly. It does seem like it fits to me personally tbh. So that means that maybe the keys no longer fit the lock or something so then what does a person do?
It’s not so much that it’s all about keys like you said but how do you get a legitimate ordinance like say the sacrament for example?
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 9:03 pm
by David13
Common consent of the corporate executives at the top.
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Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 9:18 pm
by Fred
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 4:00 pm
Telavian wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 12:09 pm
We have an "opportunity" to sustain the leaders, but it ultimately doesn't matter at all.
This is very similar to D&C 102:12-19 which states that during a disciplinary council any member of the council can veto the decision and call for a rehearing. Today however it is so comical because the handbook, 32.10.3.9 says that after the decision the leader "asks the high council to sustain it". Meaning it doesn't matter what they think.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... e_number66
So I guess my question has been if the church is ignoring the d&c what should the members do about it? Is it better to wait or to leave or say something to a bishop? I’m not really one for approaching the leaders personally because I’ve never got a straight answer in the past.
No need to talk with your Bishop. It's none of his business. He is a brainwashed serpent, following a dedicated disciple of satan. Your Bishop is not capable of seeking or even wanting truth. He is a coward, slave, and too stupid to see the forest for the trees. You are under no obligation to babysit him.
In the event that he does see your wisdom and requests to partake of your knowledge, you can start with the absolute pure evil required to PARTNER with the UN, WEF, etc., and to pay millions to known disciples of satan like Black Lives Matter, NAACP, the Red Cross, etc. Explain to the moron that while the church is bragging about their supposed charity (millions only to satanic organizations) they do not have even a single penny to help the women with children living in a car or on the street. Ask the worthless prick why he doesn't read Isaiah as commanded and discover that the leaders are ALL Drunkards of Ephraim. Inform him that all of the Q15 lean left and it is not even possible for a leftist to follow Christ. You could ask him if he is too stupid to be considered human, but he may not have the mental capacity to answer.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 9:26 pm
by IsaiahVision
Fred wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 9:18 pm
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 4:00 pm
Telavian wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 12:09 pm
We have an "opportunity" to sustain the leaders, but it ultimately doesn't matter at all.
This is very similar to D&C 102:12-19 which states that during a disciplinary council any member of the council can veto the decision and call for a rehearing. Today however it is so comical because the handbook, 32.10.3.9 says that after the decision the leader "asks the high council to sustain it". Meaning it doesn't matter what they think.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... e_number66
So I guess my question has been if the church is ignoring the d&c what should the members do about it? Is it better to wait or to leave or say something to a bishop? I’m not really one for approaching the leaders personally because I’ve never got a straight answer in the past.
No need to talk with your Bishop. It's none of his business. He is a brainwashed serpent, following a dedicated disciple of satan. Your Bishop is not capable of seeking or even wanting truth. He is a coward, slave, and too stupid to see the forest for the trees. You are under no obligation to babysit him.
In the event that he does see your wisdom and requests to partake of your knowledge, you can start with the absolute pure evil required to PARTNER with the UN, WEF, etc., and to pay millions to known disciples of satan like Black Lives Matter, NAACP, the Red Cross, etc. Explain to the moron that while the church is bragging about their supposed charity (millions only to satanic organizations) they do not have even a single penny to help the women with children living in a car or on the street. Ask the worthless prick why he doesn't read Isaiah as commanded and discover that the leaders are ALL Drunkards of Ephraim. Inform him that all of the Q15 lean left and it is not even possible for a leftist to follow Christ. You could ask him if he is too stupid to be considered human, but he may not have the mental capacity to answer.
Oh, Fred, you make me LOL. Your biting sarcasm is just one of kind, Brother.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 9:51 pm
by fractal_light_harvest
Fred wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 9:18 pm
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 4:00 pm
Telavian wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 12:09 pm
We have an "opportunity" to sustain the leaders, but it ultimately doesn't matter at all.
This is very similar to D&C 102:12-19 which states that during a disciplinary council any member of the council can veto the decision and call for a rehearing. Today however it is so comical because the handbook, 32.10.3.9 says that after the decision the leader "asks the high council to sustain it". Meaning it doesn't matter what they think.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... e_number66
So I guess my question has been if the church is ignoring the d&c what should the members do about it? Is it better to wait or to leave or say something to a bishop? I’m not really one for approaching the leaders personally because I’ve never got a straight answer in the past.
No need to talk with your Bishop. It's none of his business. He is a brainwashed serpent, following a dedicated disciple of satan. Your Bishop is not capable of seeking or even wanting truth. He is a coward, slave, and too stupid to see the forest for the trees. You are under no obligation to babysit him.
In the event that he does see your wisdom and requests to partake of your knowledge, you can start with the absolute pure evil required to PARTNER with the UN, WEF, etc., and to pay millions to known disciples of satan like Black Lives Matter, NAACP, the Red Cross, etc. Explain to the moron that while the church is bragging about their supposed charity (millions only to satanic organizations) they do not have even a single penny to help the women with children living in a car or on the street. Ask the worthless prick why he doesn't read Isaiah as commanded and discover that the leaders are ALL Drunkards of Ephraim. Inform him that all of the Q15 lean left and it is not even possible for a leftist to follow Christ. You could ask him if he is too stupid to be considered human, but he may not have the mental capacity to answer.
I probably won’t because most times I have they don’t want to seem to be real with me or have an honest conversation. They seem to want to pull “fast ones” has been my honest experience but they are usually pretty proper I guess.
The jab was weird and I think it is another sign that the church has lost the holy ghost as far as I can see.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 9:55 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
The law of Common Consent was a vital part of Nemenhah culture:
20) If, after the council has heard and seen all the evidence and has made its decision, but there still remains much doubt as to the guilt, then the council shall publish the action to the mothers and seek the common consent of the people. The common consent is always final.
6) And the Common Consent of the people is the rule of law among the Nemenhah. There has been a body of laws formed in Mentinah in times past. Indeed, the great Prophet and High Priest Pa Nahtahn did labor diligently with the community council to form laws consistent with the manner in which we do live. But it was not Pa Nahtahn who made the laws binding unto the people. Rather, it was by the Common Consent of the people that the laws became enforceable. This is the basis of our community and our way of life.
9) Yea, we do this in token that we are one people united in peace. Yea, we do incline or bow the head in token that we are of one mind and have all things in common. And we do place a hand upon the breast to signify that we are one people and govern ourselves by the Common Consent.
As a side note, the words “common consent” are referenced 55 times in the Record.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 10:25 pm
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 9:55 pm
The law of Common Consent was a vital part of Nemenhah culture:
20) If, after the council has heard and seen all the evidence and has made its decision, but there still remains much doubt as to the guilt, then the council shall publish the action to the mothers and seek the common consent of the people. The common consent is always final.
6) And the Common Consent of the people is the rule of law among the Nemenhah. There has been a body of laws formed in Mentinah in times past. Indeed, the great Prophet and High Priest Pa Nahtahn did labor diligently with the community council to form laws consistent with the manner in which we do live. But it was not Pa Nahtahn who made the laws binding unto the people. Rather, it was by the Common Consent of the people that the laws became enforceable. This is the basis of our community and our way of life.
9) Yea, we do this in token that we are one people united in peace. Yea, we do incline or bow the head in token that we are of one mind and have all things in common. And we do place a hand upon the breast to signify that we are one people and govern ourselves by the Common Consent.
As a side note, the words “common consent” are referenced 55 times in the Record.
This is interesting but I don’t know much about it.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 10:29 pm
by Reluctant Watchman
These records really get a mixed reaction on the forum. There are a vocal few who really poo poo them, but rarely challenge the doctrine presented in the records. I did a writeup on them here:
https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/nemenhah-records
My love for the BoM and Joseph Smith (aka early restoration) grew exponentially after reading it. I blew through all 600+ pages in less than three weeks. We are currently studying it as a family and I’ve started a thread on the forum here:
viewtopic.php?p=1423392&hilit=the+nemen ... 5#p1423392
I’ve had many people who are amazing scriptorians reach out to me and share their experiences with the record.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 4th, 2023, 10:41 pm
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 10:29 pm
These records really get a mixed reaction on the forum. There are a vocal few who really poo poo them, but rarely challenge the doctrine presented in the records. I did a writeup on them here:
https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/nemenhah-records
My love for the BoM and Joseph Smith (aka early restoration) grew exponentially after reading it. I blew through all 600+ pages in less than three weeks. We are currently studying it as a family and I’ve started a thread on the forum here:
viewtopic.php?p=1423392&hilit=the+nemen ... 5#p1423392
I’ve head many people who are amazing scriptorians reach out to me and share their experiences with the record.
I should look at it I think. If it doesn’t contradict the Book of mormon or bible then maybe it is okay or legitimate I suppose.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 5:02 am
by RosyPosy
I think we can call this religious fascism.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 7:04 am
by IsaiahVision
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 10:29 pm
These records really get a mixed reaction on the forum. There are a vocal few who really poo poo them, but rarely challenge the doctrine presented in the records. I did a writeup on them here:
https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/nemenhah-records
My love for the BoM and Joseph Smith (aka early restoration) grew exponentially after reading it. I blew through all 600+ pages in less than three weeks. We are currently studying it as a family and I’ve started a thread on the forum here:
viewtopic.php?p=1423392&hilit=the+nemen ... 5#p1423392
I’ve head many people who are amazing scriptorians reach out to me and share their experiences with the record.
Ok, RW, I ordered my book! Do you know if there is a concordance?
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 7:55 am
by Reluctant Watchman
IsaiahVision wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 7:04 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 10:29 pm
These records really get a mixed reaction on the forum. There are a vocal few who really poo poo them, but rarely challenge the doctrine presented in the records. I did a writeup on them here:
https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/nemenhah-records
My love for the BoM and Joseph Smith (aka early restoration) grew exponentially after reading it. I blew through all 600+ pages in less than three weeks. We are currently studying it as a family and I’ve started a thread on the forum here:
viewtopic.php?p=1423392&hilit=the+nemen ... 5#p1423392
I’ve head many people who are amazing scriptorians reach out to me and share their experiences with the record.
Ok, RW, I ordered my book! Do you know if there is a concordance?
The search function in the PDF has been the best way for me to search patterns and similarities for various terms. There is a section detailing or formalizing their ordinances and ceremonies.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 9:12 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 4th, 2023, 10:29 pm
These records really get a mixed reaction on the forum. There are a vocal few who really poo poo them, but rarely challenge the doctrine presented in the records. I did a writeup on them here:
https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/nemenhah-records
My love for the BoM and Joseph Smith (aka early restoration) grew exponentially after reading it. I blew through all 600+ pages in less than three weeks. We are currently studying it as a family and I’ve started a thread on the forum here:
viewtopic.php?p=1423392&hilit=the+nemen ... 5#p1423392
I’ve had many people who are amazing scriptorians reach out to me and share their experiences with the record.
So the book is about Hagoth from the book of mormon then I believe and it is a record of what happened to his people. Do they also practice baptism and sacrament and the other things the scriptures mention? Who is selling the book?
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 9:20 am
by Reluctant Watchman
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:12 am
So the book is about Hagoth from the book of mormon then I believe and it is a record of what happened to his people. Do they also practice baptism and sacrament and the other things the scriptures mention? Who is selling the book?
Yes, all of the above... and then some. It goes into great detail about the culture, practices and beliefs of these people. There is even a deep dive into the culture of the Anti-Nephi-Lehi's (aka Ammonites). It's from the tradition of the Ammonites where modern sweat lodges originated from. Remember when they made the covenant not to shed blood? They were still living under the law of Moses, which required the shedding of blood, so the Lord showed them a way to put their own bodies in place of the sacrifice as a type and symbol of the sacrifice of Christ. The practice has since lost much of its meaning today, but that is the origins of it.
As far as who is selling it, Philip Landis (Cloudpiler) is one of the people from the original translation group. To be honest, he and I kind of butt heads a little. Which, in many, ways, has been a stark witness that he was not the originator of the records. He supported the vaccines when they were rolled out... I could go on in greater detail, but that's the basics.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 9:27 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:20 am
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:12 am
So the book is about Hagoth from the book of mormon then I believe and it is a record of what happened to his people. Do they also practice baptism and sacrament and the other things the scriptures mention? Who is selling the book?
Yes, all of the above... and then some. It goes into great detail about the culture, practices and beliefs of these people. There is even a deep dive into the culture of the Anti-Nephi-Lehi's (aka Ammonites). It's from the tradition of the Ammonites where modern sweat lodges originated from. Remember when they made the covenant not to shed blood? They were still living under the law of Moses, which required the shedding of blood, so the Lord showed them a way to put their own bodies in place of the sacrifice as a type and symbol of the sacrifice of Christ. The practice has since lost much of its meaning today, but that is the origins of it.
As far as who is selling it, Philip Landis (Cloudpiler) is one of the people from the original translation group. To be honest, he and I kind of butt heads a little. Which, in many, ways, has been a stark witness that he was not the originator of the records. He supported the vaccines when they were rolled out... I could go on in greater detail, but that's the basics.
How did they translate the record do you know? A group of them did it?
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 9:36 am
by Reluctant Watchman
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:27 am
How did they translate the record do you know? A group of them did it?
I don't have many of the specifics. I think he's talked about it before, but I've never seen an official statement. From one of the earlier book releases, they had an intro that basically stated that early saints (Brigham) were approached with a few records to translate and they did not. then again in the '60s. Both times stating they couldn't translate the records. It is my understanding that a rosetta stone of sorts was somehow used to connect ancient and modern languages, and that was what is used by the translation team.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 10:05 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:36 am
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:27 am
How did they translate the record do you know? A group of them did it?
I don't have many of the specifics. I think he's talked about it before, but I've never seen an official statement. From one of the earlier book releases, they had an intro that basically stated that early saints (Brigham) were approached with a few records to translate and they did not. then again in the '60s. Both times stating they couldn't translate the records. It is my understanding that a rosetta stone of sorts was somehow used to connect ancient and modern languages, and that was what is used by the translation team.
Wow I am not sure what to make of it. So the group claims to be seers who can translate ancient records or they just did it by earthly means? Or they are not clear about this point?
It does sound somewhat interesting. I’m not sure what to make of the 4 pillars thing tbh.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 10:11 am
by Reluctant Watchman
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:05 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:36 am
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:27 am
How did they translate the record do you know? A group of them did it?
I don't have many of the specifics. I think he's talked about it before, but I've never seen an official statement. From one of the earlier book releases, they had an intro that basically stated that early saints (Brigham) were approached with a few records to translate and they did not. then again in the '60s. Both times stating they couldn't translate the records. It is my understanding that a rosetta stone of sorts was somehow used to connect ancient and modern languages, and that was what is used by the translation team.
Wow I am not sure what to make of it. So the group claims to be seers who can translate ancient records or they just did it by earthly means? Or they are not clear about this point?
It does sound somewhat interesting. I’m not sure what to make of the 4 pillars thing tbh.
As I noted in my intro essay, I'm glad that I had almost no introduction to the records before I began. We have a tendency to make lots of assumptions, and rightly so.
As far as the Pillars go, parts of the temple endowment they teach will obviously sound familiar to an LDS audience, but WAY different in context and meaning. All of the things I take issue with in the LDS endowment are not found in this record.
Break down each of the pillars and tell me what is wrong with the gospel, obedience, sacrifice, virtue, and consecration. When taught and lived correctly, they are profound ways to unify a community of believers.
Oh, and yes, the translation was a process of both seership and using a writing guide.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 10:34 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:11 am
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:05 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 9:36 am
I don't have many of the specifics. I think he's talked about it before, but I've never seen an official statement. From one of the earlier book releases, they had an intro that basically stated that early saints (Brigham) were approached with a few records to translate and they did not. then again in the '60s. Both times stating they couldn't translate the records. It is my understanding that a rosetta stone of sorts was somehow used to connect ancient and modern languages, and that was what is used by the translation team.
Wow I am not sure what to make of it. So the group claims to be seers who can translate ancient records or they just did it by earthly means? Or they are not clear about this point?
It does sound somewhat interesting. I’m not sure what to make of the 4 pillars thing tbh.
As I noted in my intro essay, I'm glad that I had almost no introduction to the records before I began. We have a tendency to make lots of assumptions, and rightly so.
As far as the Pillars go, parts of the temple endowment they teach will obviously sound familiar to an LDS audience, but WAY different in context and meaning. All of the things I take issue with in the LDS endowment are not found in this record.
Break down each of the pillars and tell me what is wrong with the gospel, obedience, sacrifice, virtue, and consecration. When taught and lived correctly, they are profound ways to unify a community of believers.
Oh, and yes, the translation was a process of both seership and using a writing guide.
Hmmm well I don’t want to make assumptions about the content itself and I agree with your point there but I do want to know what the origins and everything of the book are beforehand so that’s why I was asking. But it is an interesting premise.
I haven’t decided if I should buy the book yet or not. So I’m just going off your synopsis on your website. I believe the 4 principles are good but if they are applied out of balance that could cause problems imo. I should probably buy the book to understand more but I’m not sure yet. There is no way to tell what they do with the money from sales of the book?
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 10:38 am
by Reluctant Watchman
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:34 am
Hmmm well I don’t want to make assumptions about the content itself and I agree with your point there but I do want to know what the origins and everything of the book are beforehand so that’s why I was asking. But it is an interesting premise.
I haven’t decided if I should buy the book yet or not. So I’m just going off your synopsis on your website. I believe the 4 principles are good but if they are applied out of balance that could cause problems imo. I should probably buy the book to understand more but I’m not sure yet. There is no way to tell what they do with the money from sales of the book?
If you want, I'll buy you a copy of the PDF. I've bought a few for people on the forum.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 10:49 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:38 am
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:34 am
Hmmm well I don’t want to make assumptions about the content itself and I agree with your point there but I do want to know what the origins and everything of the book are beforehand so that’s why I was asking. But it is an interesting premise.
I haven’t decided if I should buy the book yet or not. So I’m just going off your synopsis on your website. I believe the 4 principles are good but if they are applied out of balance that could cause problems imo. I should probably buy the book to understand more but I’m not sure yet. There is no way to tell what they do with the money from sales of the book?
If you want, I'll buy you a copy of the PDF. I've bought a few for people on the forum.
I’m not sure. The pdf is not that expensive I can afford it but I still wonder where the money from proceeds go? You can buy one if you’d like and I will probably look at it but I’m not sure what to make of it so far tbh.
Is there a link on your site that gives a comprehensive overview or anything like that?
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 10:53 am
by Reluctant Watchman
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:49 am
I’m not sure. The pdf is not that expensive I can afford it but I still wonder where the money from proceeds go? You can buy one if you’d like and I will probably look at it but I’m not sure what to make of it so far tbh.
Is there a link on your site that gives a comprehensive overview or anything like that?
I read the record and have learned a great deal. It helped me maintain a greater connection to early restored truths than I ever thought possible. If you don't feel the need to read it... well, that's fine. I don't associate much with the people who have the record, so I'm not privy to anything they do, financially or otherwise.
To give a comprehensive overview would be a massive undertaking. I could spend years writing about the history and doctrine in this record.
*Everyone else* sorry for the thread drift.
Re: The LDS Church is run by common consent?
Posted: October 5th, 2023, 10:58 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:53 am
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 5th, 2023, 10:49 am
I’m not sure. The pdf is not that expensive I can afford it but I still wonder where the money from proceeds go? You can buy one if you’d like and I will probably look at it but I’m not sure what to make of it so far tbh.
Is there a link on your site that gives a comprehensive overview or anything like that?
I read the record and have learned a great deal. It helped me maintain a greater connection to early restored truths than I ever thought possible. If you don't feel the need to read it... well, that's fine. I don't associate much with the people who have the record, so I'm not privy to anything they do, financially or otherwise.
To give a comprehensive overview would be a massive undertaking. I could spend years writing about the history and doctrine in this record.
*Everyone else* sorry for the thread drift.
Oh okay I wasn’t sure if you were part of that group or not. I’ve heard people use this site to recruit for various groups which is fine by me I just wasn’t sure.
Basically I believe that the book of mormon and the Bible are meant to “run together” and that there are also other legitimate records which also do this. So I don’t know if this record fits that bill or not but I may explore it at some point. I haven’t fully grasped all of the book of mormon or bible yet tho also.